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So you're Stephen Hawking. Should you get a free pass to be arrogant?

When do you find yourself behaving in an arrogant fashion? Is it confined to your interaction with specific people in specific situations, or not? Do you feel guilty about it after?

Are you arrogant most of the time, some of the time, or never?


My own displays of arrogance are generally mixed with scorn...someone does something to disgust me, I know that I either have better information or skills, and I demonstrate. Overall though, I don't believe myself to be an arrogant person, and only rarely do I feel that my arrogance is justified. In others, I rarely feel that their arrogance is justified, not even if they are smarter, stronger, or sexier than those around them. It's just annoying.

Et toi?

Arrogance is never justified, as it is an exaggerated sense of your own importance. But if you really are as good as you claim, then that's not arrogance, even if other people might think of it as such.

I remain unconvinced that any of the above made any sense.

Arrogance can be justified. Sometimes you really are that much smarter/faster/hotter/whatever-er than that other person.

Though, trying to explain that your arrogance is totally justified will not make you appear any less arrogant.

Any time Stephen Hawking feels arrogant, I will gladly challenge him to a wrestling match. :)

Arrogance can be justified. Sometimes you really are that much smarter/faster/hotter/whatever-er than that other person.

But if you are it's not arrogance, it's realism. They just don't like it.

I think everybody shows an arrogant side from time to time.

Although I'd also say that it's never justified. When a person displays arrogance, a couple of things happen:

-Whomever they're directing the arrogance to will receive the following message: "You have nothing to say that is worth my time to hear." whether that's what's meant or not.

-The effect is that the arrogant person now appears to be closed-minded. This is not a trait generally associated with wisdom.

-In fact, once the arrogance comes out, we don't just SEEM to be closed minded, we ARE closed minded, because by choosing to take on an approach of arrogance, we are closing ourselves off from further input. Never a good thing.

-All of this adds up to creating the image not of someone who's so certain of their knowledge that they needn't listen to someone else, but rather, someone who is destined to fall because they can't see what's happening.

But like I said, we all do it from time to time. The trick is recognizing it for what it is and keeping it in check.

Any time Stephen Hawking feels arrogant, I will gladly challenge him to a wrestling match. :)

That's fuct up.

Can I sig that? :salute:

I think that people are very apt to accuse others of arrogance when those people are not demonstrating that quality.

I think that just as having an overblown idea of your own quality -- in any respect -- is a bad thing, so is expecting other people to hide their own quality. Pride is often a virtue, no matter how annoying it can be to other people.

My opinions on the matter are too awesome to even post

Arrogance is never justified, as it is an exaggerated sense of your own importance. But if you really are as good as you claim, then that's not arrogance, even if other people might think of it as such.

I remain unconvinced that any of the above made any sense.

I just never understood the point of 'claiming'. Woohoo, you have a high IQ. And? What does that mean exactly? Does it mean you can cook a good meal? Give excellent head? Deal with bureaucracy? A high IQ does not entitle you to reverence, respect, or really anything. It's like having a bunch of money in your pocket. That's nice...so whatcha going to do with it?

But if you are it's not arrogance, it's realism. They just don't like it.

Arrogance isn't an exaggerated sense of how great you are, it's an overbearing/asshole-ish sense of how great you are.

Any time Stephen Hawking feels arrogant, I will gladly challenge him to a wrestling match. :)


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Arrogance lowers your intellagence so do it at your own risk.

(i think i misspelled something)

That's fuct up.

Can I sig that? :salute:

Share and Enjoy. :)

My opinions on the matter are too awesome to even post

:D

Added to 'arrogance', I think 'bragging' is even more annoying. Braggarts really get under my skin. I don't care who you are. Someone, somewhere is going to be better than you at what you purport to be the best at. And what is the point of your self-aggrandization?

You big arrogant poo-poo bragger, SB!

Share and Enjoy. :)

Thank you, sir.

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:eek:

What, no singlet? I'm not wrestling a robot naked.

...

...once was enough.

:D

Added to 'arrogance', I think 'bragging' is even more annoying. Braggarts really get under my skin. I don't care who you are. Someone, somewhere is going to be better than you at what you purport to be the best at. And what is the point of your self-aggrandization?

You big arrogant poo-poo bragger, SB!

I envy myself

Arrogance isn't an exaggerated sense of how great you are, it's an overbearing/asshole-ish sense of how great you are.

Indeed.

I envy myself

Your bragging is justified :D

I just never understood the point of 'claiming'. Woohoo, you have a high IQ. And? What does that mean exactly? Does it mean you can cook a good meal? Give excellent head? Deal with bureaucracy? A high IQ does not entitle you to reverence, respect, or really anything. It's like having a bunch of money in your pocket. That's nice...so whatcha going to do with it?
Oh, I agree completely. I think your qualities are for other people to recognise and mention, not for you to shout about. But at the same time, you have to be realistic about your abilities with yourself - there is no point being so modest as to fall short of what you can achieve.

Arrogance isn't an exaggerated sense of how great you are, it's an overbearing/asshole-ish sense of how great you are.
Oh Iffy. Iffy, Iffy, Iffy. As usual, I'm right, and you're wrong. Just face it; I am, and always shall be, so much better than you.

Although if the definition of being 'better' is your ability to give head, as Neesika suggests, I'll gladly concede the position

Your bragging is justified :D

:fluffle:

you can justifiably brag too.... you know... about how great I am.

So you're Stephen Hawking. Should you get a free pass to be arrogant?

When do you find yourself behaving in an arrogant fashion? Is it confined to your interaction with specific people in specific situations, or not? Do you feel guilty about it after?

Are you arrogant most of the time, some of the time, or never?


My own displays of arrogance are generally mixed with scorn...someone does something to disgust me, I know that I either have better information or skills, and I demonstrate. Overall though, I don't believe myself to be an arrogant person, and only rarely do I feel that my arrogance is justified. In others, I rarely feel that their arrogance is justified, not even if they are smarter, stronger, or sexier than those around them. It's just annoying.

Et toi?

You practice arrogance thus you are an arrogant person.

So you're Stephen Hawking. Should you get a free pass to be arrogant?

The guy is brilliant but tends to go a bit looney now and then. If you can kick over his intellectual sand castle you should. Otherwise let the man be arrogant.

When do you find yourself behaving in an arrogant fashion? Is it confined to your interaction with specific people in specific situations, or not? Do you feel guilty about it after?

What most people, especially on this board, take as my arrogance is really my confidence and the fact that I am right. It doesn't depend on on the situation, just the lack of confidence the other has in their opinion or ability and no, I never feel guilty about it because having confidence is nothing to feel guilty about. Only the weak feel guilt over how others perceive them.

Are you arrogant most of the time, some of the time, or never?

Yes.

My own displays of arrogance are generally mixed with scorn...someone does something to disgust me, I know that I either have better information or skills, and I demonstrate. Overall though, I don't believe myself to be an arrogant person, and only rarely do I feel that my arrogance is justified. In others, I rarely feel that their arrogance is justified, not even if they are smarter, stronger, or sexier than those around them. It's just annoying.

You are confident in your positions even though you hold so many wrong ones and I doubt you understand how others see you. You feel you are better than most others you meet so waste energy worrying whether or not it is justified? Don't be a weak little bitch by pretending that you feel guilty for it. You are arrogant but it is worse to be plain old envious.

Et toi?

No thanks, I just ate.

You practice arrogance thus you are an arrogant person.

Only with morons.

Feel the scorn?

Good.

Only with morons.

Feel the scorn?

Good.

Scorn? What scorn. Ha! You must be imagining it. ;)

You are confident in your positions even though you hold so many wrong ones
You've yet to debate your way out of a wet paper bag darling...you are the last one who has any amount of justifiable arrogance.

and I doubt you understand how others see you. Let me guess...you believe that your view is a majority one.

Arrogance plus delusion. I think this is turning into a mental disease checklist.

It's obvious that everyone on NSG is one of a kind, they all beleive they're right and everyone who disagrees is wrong, sick, demented, the epitome of evil ect ect. They all share arrogance and delusion, only they differ. Eventually those who share the same delusions form groups and through forum Darwinism the larger group hazes the other smaller ones to extinction. Birdbrains of a feather flock together. Here's my source. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1227)

Woohoo, you have a high IQ. And? What does that mean exactly? Does it mean you can cook a good meal? Give excellent head? Deal with bureaucracy?

I don't mean to brag, but I actually master a few of those skills.

If I am superior, my attitude of superiority is indeed justified. At least as much as any 'attitude' can or needs to be justified.

Naturally I am so mine is.

It's obvious that everyone on NSG is one of a kind, they all beleive they're right and everyone who disagrees is wrong. They all share arrogance and delusion, only they differ. Eventually those who share the same delusions form groups and through forum Darwinism the larger group hazes the other smaller ones to extinction. Birdbrains of a feather flock together. Here's my source. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1227)

Sure, whatever.

Sure, whatever.

Observe how Neesika and most other posters here shun opposition without stating why or presenting anything credible to prove or disporve and opinion that may or may not be false.

source (http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html)


The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.

Observe how Neesika and most other posters here shun opposition without stating why or presenting anything credible to prove or disporve and opinion that may or may not be false.

There is nothing to disprove. You just stated your opinion, and with extreme wit linked to the NSG forum as 'evidence.' That is not falsifiable evidence, it's not specific enough to form an argument, and it's not anything that needs refuting.

Don't worry SL, no one here will ever accuse you of having ever put forth an actual argument.

Don't worry SL, no one here will ever accuse you of having ever put forth an actual argument.

But I did, willful negligence of the truth is a behavior for: the guilty, unethical pseudo-government types, cultists and those with sinister motives.

Don't you have another thread you can go babble incoherently in?

Don't you have another thread you can go babble incoherently in?

Why that would be improper. NSG is the perfect place for such babbling. :)

Neesika, please tell me I'm not the only one who got a laugh at "willful negligence". Please someone else understand why that's funny...

Neesika, please tell me I'm not the only one who got a laugh at "willful negligence". Please someone else understand why that's funny...

I posted my argument, Neesika argued that no one would accuse me for something I obviously did. Its four posts up. Oh wait your version of the word obvious differs from that of civilization. Geeze, explaining this is going to be a pain. :(

I posted my argument, Neesika argued that I didn't post it. Its four posts up.

You know, I've done a lot of drugs in my day, but they all, eventually, wore off. I have at times wondered in my more, and less, sober moments, what it would be like to be perpetually under the influence.

I imagine now that it would be a lot like being you....

Neesika, please tell me I'm not the only one who got a laugh at "willful negligence". Please someone else understand why that's funny...

I sort of hiccuped and cried at the same time actually. I don't like to laugh at the truly damaged.

I sort of hiccuped and cried at the same time actually. I don't like to laugh at the truly damaged.

I consider that laughter. I'm not really capable of anything else anymore...

You know, I've done a lot of drugs in my day, but they all, eventually, wore off. I have at times wondered in my more, and less, sober moments, what it would be like to be perpetually under the influence.

I imagine now that it would be a lot like being you....

My quirks are all because of cult abuse, nothing more. Which is why I hate cults with a passion.

My quirks are all because of cult abuse

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You know, I have nothing I can add to this

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You know, I have nothing I can add to this

Why do I get the sense that you found what they did to mind and what they continue to do to others' minds amusing? Do you think that their reject drones are just toys they manufacture for your enjoyment?

You've yet to debate your way out of a wet paper bag darling...you are the last one who has any amount of justifiable arrogance.

Like I said "Only the weak feel guilt over how others perceive them." I am trying to remember when I have actually been engaged in a debate on these boards... certainly not by you. Mere amusements.

Remember, just because a bunch of idiots support your stupidity does not make you a genius. It just makes you the Queen Idiot.

Let me guess...you believe that your view is a majority one.

I don't need the external validation of a majority. That is what you seek here is it not?

Arrogance plus delusion. I think this is turning into a mental disease checklist.

This from someone who constantly posts here to have others fawn over her wondrous pronouncements. Those who dare not to are immediately the target for your awesome wrath. Really sweety, I have mental issues? I doubt you can restrain yourself from posting on these boards for a week. No doubt the lack of others pumping your ego would bring about severe depression.

But what do I know. I am merely a Troll where you are God. You are so full of win!

Seriously. Fuck off SL...take your bizarre thread jacking elsewhere.

I don't need the external validation of a majority. That is what you seek here is it not? Huh?

I asked some questions. I'm interested in the answers. It's pretty cute and dry actually.

See, this is what happens when you try to act too smart. You miss the point completely.


This from someone who constantly posts here to have others fawn over her wondrous pronouncements. Those who dare not to are immediately the target for your awesome wrath. Really sweety, I have mental issues? I doubt you can restrain yourself from posting on these boards for a week. No doubt the lack of others pumping your ego would bring about severe depression.
Nice, and completely off topic. You and SL should go babble together somewhere.



But what do I know. I am merely a Troll where you are God. You are so full of win!
You got that right at least.

My own displays of arrogance are generally mixed with scorn...someone does something to disgust me, I know that I either have better information or skills, and...

Well, it made me laugh, anyway.

It's obvious that everyone on NSG is one of a kind, they all beleive they're right and everyone who disagrees is wrong, sick, demented, the epitome of evil ect ect. They all share arrogance and delusion, only they differ. Eventually those who share the same delusions form groups and through forum Darwinism the larger group hazes the other smaller ones to extinction. Birdbrains of a feather flock together. Here's my source. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1227)

I didn't bother to read any posts before this so I don't know what the context is, but I have to admit that I totally agree with this assessment of NSG (but this also applies to every other forum on the internet). Because on the web, the ones who are the most correct are the ones who are part of the biggest circle jerk.

Huh?

"Huh?" indeed.

I asked some questions. I'm interested in the answers. It's pretty cute and dry actually.

See, this is what happens when you try to act too smart. You miss the point completely.

I thought it was pretty cute and dry myself. You asked some questions, you got answers and went off on the person answering because they dared to give an answer you disliked. Now, when I responded to your arrogant answer I am told I missed the point.

I am sure this is why I never seem to "win" an argument with you. I tend to try to follow your line of "reasoning" and hit a dead end.

Nice, and completely off topic. You and SL should go babble together somewhere.

Ah, the dreaded "off topic" label. Truly I am in trouble. I am sure that defending my original post from your arrogance is off topic but you led me there.

You got that right at least.

But you are certainly not arrogant. No sir!

We should be honest in our assessments of our own self-worth. What ensues... ensues.

(If the answer to your question is "no", I'm in serious moral trouble.)

I'm only arrogant because I'm perfect. That makes it really hard to be humble.

Arrogance isn't justified if the person in question thinks they have to justify it.

So you're Stephen Hawking. Should you get a free pass to be arrogant?

When do you find yourself behaving in an arrogant fashion? Is it confined to your interaction with specific people in specific situations, or not? Do you feel guilty about it after?

Are you arrogant most of the time, some of the time, or never?


My own displays of arrogance are generally mixed with scorn...someone does something to disgust me, I know that I either have better information or skills, and I demonstrate. Overall though, I don't believe myself to be an arrogant person, and only rarely do I feel that my arrogance is justified. In others, I rarely feel that their arrogance is justified, not even if they are smarter, stronger, or sexier than those around them. It's just annoying.

Et toi?

I'm far too clever to be arrogant. :D

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Oh, I SO want one of those!:D

Seriously. Fuck off SL...take your bizarre thread jacking elsewhere.

threadjacking? I'm merely humbling the arrogant and one of them calls it threadjacking?! This is incredible!

So you're Stephen Hawking. Should you get a free pass to be arrogant?

When do you find yourself behaving in an arrogant fashion? Is it confined to your interaction with specific people in specific situations, or not? Do you feel guilty about it after?

Are you arrogant most of the time, some of the time, or never?


My own displays of arrogance are generally mixed with scorn...someone does something to disgust me, I know that I either have better information or skills, and I demonstrate. Overall though, I don't believe myself to be an arrogant person, and only rarely do I feel that my arrogance is justified. In others, I rarely feel that their arrogance is justified, not even if they are smarter, stronger, or sexier than those around them. It's just annoying.

Et toi?

I try not to be arrogant, and it's fairly easy for me, because I have very little self-esteem/self-respect. And I don't meet a lot of arrogant people.

I try not to be arrogant, and it's fairly easy for me, because I have very little self-esteem/self-respect. And I don't meet a lot of arrogant people.

The problem I run into:

I specialize in turning around failed software projects. I show up, do a quick assessment, and usually the next day I end up recommending that most of the management and some of the programmers be terminated. Nothing personal - it's just that I have long experience in knowing who is going to cooperate and who will be a boat anchor. And I know when someone isn't capable of writing software.

That ends up sounding arrogant, especially to those who are being escorted from the building by security.

Yes it is not only OK to be arrogant at times, it is essential.



When you are playing poker.

Alot of people who are arrogant either have issues or they're compensating for something. Usually its a mix of both. :(

Source: Toxic People by Dr. Lillian Glass

Alot of people who are arrogant either have issues or they're compensating for something. Usually its a mix of both. :(

Source: Toxic People by Dr. Lillian Glass

And what is your opinion, rather than just quote others? Do you agree with this?

What kind of issues are being referred to?, Who does not have issues?

Are you being arrogant if you claim you don't have issues - I would guess so, but according to this quote if you do have issues then you are probably arrogant as well. So are we all arrogant?

DO you have any way of making sense?

Careful. He might 'follow your line of reasoning and hit a dead end', as another poster put it earlier. The dead end, being in his mind, will be blamed on you.

Some people believe themselves entirely too clever...not realising that they sound like complete blabbering idiots to the rest of us.

Some people believe themselves entirely too clever...not realising that they sound like complete blabbering idiots to the rest of us.

So true.