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Mob attacks officers over litter
Map of Croydon

Two police officers were attacked by a mob in south London when they asked a 15-year-old girl to pick up some litter she dropped.

Metropolitan Police said one of the officers suffered injuries including a bite wound in the attack in North End in Croydon, on Wednesday afternoon.

Up to 30 people attacked the officers when the girl refused to pick up the litter and became aggressive.

A girl who was arrested on suspicion of assault has been released on bail.

Two men, aged 34 and 38 and both from South Norwood, were held on Thursday morning on suspicion of assault and violent disorder.


We have heard from several retailers in the area who were horrified at the level of violence used by the crowd against the officers
Insp Simon Ellingham

Police said the girl initially picked up the litter when asked by the patrolling officers, but immediately dropped it again sparking a confrontation leading to the attack.

The officers, aged 34 and 29, who suffered bruising and knee injuries, were currently on sick leave, police said.

And the 34-year-old officer who received the bite wound required hospital treatment.

Officers have been examining CCTV footage from the area.

Insp Simon Ellingham said: "We have heard from several retailers in the area who were horrified at the level of violence used by the crowd against the officers."



Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7513416.stm)

This is insane. 30 people attacking 2 police officers over litter.

...wat...

Good lord, people are uncivilized there.

Good lord, people are uncivilized there.

Well, I thought Britons were descendants of barbarians.

Wtf?

Exactly when did Britain descend to barbarism? And more importantly why?

Wtf?

Exactly when did Britain descend to barbarism? And more importantly why?

Please don't confuse London with Britain. The poor Brits don't deserve that kind of slander.

Well, I thought Britons were descendants of barbarians.

Hah Croydon though is a 'special' place, I mean that is where the Croydon Facelift come from, innit!

Well, I thought Britons were descendants of barbarians.

Who isn't?


And some people need to be killed and sold to the third world as cheap meat

What surprised me was the age of the people involved - since when do people in their thirties hang around on the streets and attack police officers?

UK is a crazy place.


I am at LHR and just about to leave....and these idiots won't even tell me what gate it is until it is only as hour for departure.

Please don't confuse London with Britain. The poor Brits don't deserve that kind of slander.
So things are better in other cities?

What needs to be done is simple. Send in an armed force to that neigborhood, and massacre everyone in sight. It'll send a message to the public not to F*ck with the police.

Yes I know it's terrible and barbaric, but these days the only thing people obey is fear... and i'm a master of the art.

What needs to be done is simple. Send in an armed force to that neigborhood, and massacre everyone in sight. It'll send a message to the public not to F*ck with the police.

Yes I know it's terrible and barbaric, but these days the only thing people obey is fear... and i'm a master of the art.

Heheheh what a fluffy lil kitten like you?:D

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7513416.stm)

This is insane. 30 people attacking 2 police officers over litter.

Not that I agree with this instance particularly, but I'm all for hating police.

Traffic cops in particular. It's sad when the major revenue source for city governments is relying on people to commit crimes.

I am at LHR and just about to leave....and these idiots won't even tell me what gate it is until it is only as hour for departure.
Thankyou for using British Transport.

We hope you enjoyed us fucking with you.

Yes I know it's terrible and barbaric, but these days the only thing people obey is fear... and i'm a master of the art.

You're a master at obeying people you fear?

Heheheh what a fluffy lil kitten like you?:D

Even fluffy kittens have teeth...

You're a master at obeying people you fear?

Well isn't everyone? :D

What surprised me was the age of the people involved - since when do people in their thirties hang around on the streets and attack police officers?

Since the government starting paying them. Really, what is the incentive to work?

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7513416.stm)

This is insane. 30 people attacking 2 police officers over litter.

Soon bobbies will have to carry guns, and that will be another sign of the decadence of the West.

So things are better in other cities?

Leeds and Manchester I guess... ;)

Well, London, you're going the same way of Napoli. Litter + mob against the police. :(

Even fluffy kittens have teeth...

Ahhh yes but not though enough to brake the skin huh!

Please don't confuse London with Britain. The poor Brits don't deserve that kind of slander.

Please don't confuse Croydon with London. The poor Londoners don't deserve that kind of slander.

Ahhh yes but not though enough to brake the skin huh!

They can and I can prove it!

Sauce (http://ninecooks.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ketchup_1.jpg)

Now I know why they had to take your guns away. :p

How about not making jail a place to live, and let them fall apart and be infested with rats. No-one will commit crimes them...oh, and while we're at it, I agree with the massacre guy.

They can and I can prove it!

Sauce (http://ninecooks.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ketchup_1.jpg)

Naaa you lie!:eek:

An officer was *bitten*

That's it, it's time to take away those Brits' teeth!

And you're either with me, or you condone tooth violence against police officers.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7513416.stm)

This is insane. 30 people attacking 2 police officers over litter.

Just another example of where passing laws and hiring police doesn't mean that the law will be respected or obeyed.

Maybe, just maybe, getting people to obey laws has little to do with police, and more on what value the people place on themselves and their own community.

They won't get that value from a policeman's baton.

Stay the fuck our of Croydon, yo.

Stay the fuck our of Croydon, yo.

If you're a policeman.

Then again, everyone should stay out of Hull.

Soon bobbies will have to carry guns, and that will be another sign of the decadence of the West.

Because everybody remebers what happens when the British carry guns..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Boston_Massacre.jpg

Because everybody remebers what happens when the British carry guns...
They kill other British people in Boston?

What needs to be done is simple. Send in an armed force to that neigborhood, and massacre everyone in sight. It'll send a message to the public not to F*ck with the police.

Yes I know it's terrible and barbaric, but these days the only thing people obey is fear... and i'm a master of the art.

Hey, everyone, the computer geek is channeling Herod again...

They kill other British people in Boston?

No. They oppress half the globe until they beg their former colonies for help from the germans.

No. They oppress half the globe until they beg their former colonies for help from the germans.

You are aware that there is still a British army which still has guns, yes?

You are aware that there is still a British army which still has guns, yes?

For now.

Hey, everyone, the computer geek is channeling Herod again...

I assure you that I am no geek. But think what you will.

For now.

So since they're British and have guns, why aren't they oppressing half the world?

Who isn't?



*Raises hand* Go Rome!

any of you brits wanna make a serious attempt at explaining why the fuck something like this would happen?

and "oh its croydon" isnt an explanation.

any of you brits wanna make a serious attempt at explaining why the fuck something like this would happen?

and "oh its croydon" isnt an explanation.

Alcohol? Often the people in the beating don't understand what's going on with all the adrenaline and chaos and believe they are stopping corrupt and abusive cops. Besides, this is absolutely nothing in anyway compared to some of the violence police have had to suffer in many American cities by street gangs, yet I'm not claiming that LA for instance is a hell hole, in fact some of it is pretty amazing.

Metropolitan Police said one of the officers suffered injuries including a bite wound

those are no ordinary chavs!

How about not making jail a place to live, and let them fall apart and be infested with rats.

it doesn't seem to be working...

So since they're British and have guns, why aren't they oppressing half the world?

fag break.

and "oh its croydon" isnt an explanation.

its one of those failed areas that has slipped through the cracks and just become a hotbed of violence eventually forming an us vs them mentality

good thing the whole area is going to be brand new by 2020 :salute:

Alcohol? Often the people in the beating don't understand what's going on with all the adrenaline and chaos and believe they are stopping corrupt and abusive cops. Besides, this is absolutely nothing in anyway compared to some of the violence police have had to suffer in many American cities by street gangs, yet I'm not claiming that LA for instance is a hell hole, in fact some of it is pretty amazing.

I've been to L.A. I assure you it is.

No. They oppress half the globe until they beg their former colonies for help from the germans.

Well thank the gods that we now have a new hegemon, capable of doing only good in the world, and never exploiting others for their own interests:rolleyes:

So since they're British and have guns, why aren't they oppressing half the world?

Because right now, it's the USA's turn.:D

its one of those failed areas that has slipped through the cracks and just become a hotbed of violence eventually forming an us vs them mentality

good thing the whole area is going to be brand new by 2020 :salute:

is it being bulldozed? what are they doing with the people who live there?

is it being bulldozed? what are they doing with the people who live there?

no, it simply means they are going to renovate whats already there, improve local services and generally make the place a nice area to live (at the same time building more retail in the area which will be whats paying for it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydon_Vision_2020

no, it simply means they are going to renovate whats already there, improve local services and generally make the place a nice area to live (at the same time building more retail in the area which will be whats paying for it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydon_Vision_2020

so the theory is that turning a nasty place nice tuns the nasty people nice too?

Because right now, it's the USA's turn.:D

Pretty much.

those are no ordinary chavs!

Werechavs?

so the theory is that turning a nasty place nice tuns the nasty people nice too?

Well I don't think its genetic.

stupid people should not have breeding rights

stupid people should not have breeding rights
And the connection between this piece of ill-considered drivel and the thread subject is?

Also, how exactly would you suggest that society goes about enforcing 'breeding rights'? Some sort of license to breed? And how do you propose measuring intelligence?

any of you brits wanna make a serious attempt at explaining why the fuck something like this would happen?
Sorry, I have nothing :confused:

East London has been a real hotspot for knife killings and such the last few months. Seems to be another one each day. I know Manchester (where I am) isn't the most fun place to be but compared to some parts of London it's like being in Edan.

What we need is one brief moment of repression. Harsh prison terms, beatings and such to shock them into behaving. I don't want to copy our "civillsed" buddies in the ME who enjoy flogging people for holding hands and such. Just a short period of punishment.

chavs, chavs, scummy chavs...

i can't know for sure it was chavs, but i can take a pretty well aimed guess.


and, to back up what others are saying, yes london =/= the rest of britain. in fact, i'm sure most londoners would be more than happy to turn the M25 into a moat and float off from the rest of the country ;)

I'm so glad I live in hastings... (Small town in East sussex, UK)

The Chavs around here are all bark, no bite, and easy to scare off.

so the theory is that turning a nasty place nice tuns the nasty people nice too?

O_o yes thats generally how things work in reality

Werechavs?

I was thinking more young mummies

SNIP

the biting sounds more like greebo's really *waits for half of NS to kick my arse* :p

*Ignorant American*

What are Chavs?

An officer was *bitten*

That's it, it's time to take away those Brits' teeth!

British dentists are already on it.

[/obvious]

British dentists are already on it.

[/obvious]

There are British dentists?

I never would have guessed.

*Ignorant American*

What are Chavs?

CHAV= Council House And Vile

*Ignorant American*

What are Chavs

What you would call "wiggers".

I call them subhuman pieces of crap we should use flamethrowers on.

Oh. Wanna be ganster pieces of shit. I understand.

Oh. Wanna be ganster pieces of shit. I understand.

Essentially. The problem is they are all copying sections of american culture.

What you would call "wiggers".

I call them subhuman pieces of crap we should use flamethrowers on.

i dont think we would call them that.

unless they are white people pretending to act like stereotypical american blacks.

Essentially. The problem is they are all copying sections of american culture.

So whats the problem? :rolleyes:

Oh. Wanna be ganster pieces of shit. I understand.

Actually no, they're not anything like the 'wiggers' you get in the US. The only thing (unless you live in some parts of London) that chavs have in common with wiggers are their music tastes, although many of them hate that sort of music, usually for racial reasons.

But we don't even know that the people in this attack were chavs. In fact, I saw a video on the news of the aftermath of the attack when more police came in, and they sounded like a group of Jamaicans.

So whats the problem? :rolleyes:

They piss me off.

hmm... are British cops armed with more than a truncheon? what about pepper spray?

So since they're British and have guns, why aren't they oppressing half the world?

Because some other nation is. The Brits have had their turn, now its someone else's go.

hmm... are British cops armed with more than a truncheon? what about pepper spray?

Yeah they have spray and I heard it was used to subdue one of the attackers.

Because some other nation is. The Brits have had their turn, now its someone else's go.

It's like pro wrestling. The UK tagged the US and is having a breather for a while. When the referee turns away the UK will bash the world in the head with a metal folding chair from outside the ropes.

Yeah they have spray and I heard it was used to subdue one of the attackers.

one?

at least the CRMP got more than one with their pepper spray! :)

any of you brits wanna make a serious attempt at explaining why the fuck something like this would happen?


Yes. Sixty years of lefties running the schools.

Yes. Sixty years of lefties running the schools.

oh are they still teaching "kill the pigs" lessons in london schools?

oh are they still teaching "kill the pigs" lessons in london schools?

They don't actually teach anything as far as I am aware.

It's like pro wrestling. The UK tagged the US and is having a breather for a while. When the referee turns away the UK will bash the world in the head with a metal folding chair from outside the ropes.


Further proof of how great ProWres truly is. We can use it to make up analogys about the US & UK.

I'm waiting for the Japanese to run in and do a contrived headdrop spot on Iran before doing a quadruple team with the UK, UK & Isreal.

Yes. Sixty years of lefties running the schools.
Yes, I forgot just how far left Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher and John Major were.

And don't forget those die-hard socialists, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown...

They don't actually teach anything as far as I am aware.
It'd be nice if you could at least pretend to make a significant point

Yes, I forgot just how far left Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher and John Major were.

And don't forget those die-hard socialists, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown...


It'd be nice if you could at least pretend to make a significant point

Thank you for being civilised about this, because I really wasn't going to be and I think that would have defeated my point.

Methinks LG was somehow part of this fairly luny affair.

Thank you for being civilised about this, because I really wasn't going to be and I think that would have defeated my point.
"If you can keep your head when all about you..." and all that jazz.

I assure you that I am no geek. But think what you will.

I stand corrected!

"Hey, everyone, the 101st Keyboard Brigade Member..."

Yes, I forgot just how far left Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher and John Major were.

And don't forget those die-hard socialists, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown...

1. I said schools, not the country.

2. I said lefties, not socialists.

It'd be nice if you could at least pretend to make a significant point

I did go to school there you know.

I said schools, not the country.
So state schools are completely independent from government policy?

I did go to school there you know.
And wasn't taught anything?

So state schools are completely independent from government policy?

Of course not. Government set curricula and talks about such things as creating opportunity and such. Nevertheless, the national government does not actually run the state schools. LEAs, boards of governors, teachers and whatnot actually do the running and they are overwhelmingly lefties. It's not really a point of debate.

Moreover, the government, despite its bluster, tends to end up doing what the people who run the schools want anyway because: 1) it doesn't really care about schools; and, 2) it's too much bother to do anything about them anyway. Thatcher milk snatcher was the biggest champion that comprehensive schools ever had. Which would seem at odds with her policy positions, if you didn't actually stop and think about it.

And wasn't taught anything?

I'm sure there were some history lessons and suchlike. But in the context of what the british educational system was set up to provide, not really, no.

Secondary schools in the UK were never really patterned after true academic institutions, but rather the public schools of the 19th century. The point of them was not to produce scholars, but rather to inculcate at set of attitudes and values. (British empire, playing fields of eton and all that). Also, they served to provide people with a formative experience in dealing with authority thus setting the stage for their behavior for the rest of their lives. This is why the british were so goddamn law abiding compared to everyone else for the period 1900-1950, and is also why the country could go through the depression and both wars without losing social cohesion the way many other countries with far more academically educated populations did. Look at the complete failure of Oswald Mosely to rabble rouse during the thirties. (Or the conspicuous absence of a meaningful revolutionary left). It's also why the UK could manage with relatively few police, all completely unarmed.

That all changed when E. H. Dance got his way though. So the point was lost. This is why there has been a progressive breakdown in civil society starting in the 1960s. You are now more likely to be criminally assaulted by a stranger in the UK than in any other industrialized country.

Nevertheless, the national government does not actually run the state schools. LEAs, boards of governors, teachers and whatnot actually do the running and they are overwhelmingly lefties. It's not really a point of debate.
It most certainly is.

If you're going to make such a statement, back it up beyond the anecdotal.

Secondary schools in the UK were never really patterned after true academic institutions... It's also why the UK could manage with relatively few police, all completely unarmed.
An interesting thesis.

This is why there has been a progressive breakdown in civil society starting in the 1960s.
What do you mean?

O_o yes thats generally how things work in reality



I was thinking more young mummies



the biting sounds more like greebo's really *waits for half of NS to kick my arse* :p

What in the Disc are you talking about?

*Ignorant American*

What are Chavs?

Brit wannabe Gangstas?

Brit wannabe Gangstas?
No, it's a pejorative term for (a certain section of) working class folks.

Snobbery given legitimisation through common usage.

It most certainly is.

If you're going to make such a statement, back it up beyond the anecdotal.

Well, what involvement does the central government have in the day to day running of schools? Head teachers don't report to them and aren't appointed by them (nor or any teachers for that matter). School advisers (I guess they are called inspectors now) are appointed by the LEA. The central government doesn't really do much apart from mandate a few tests and provide grants. Schools are run locally. And the people who do it tend to be left wing in their outlook, i.e. plenty of members and ex-members of the NUT. (Because they tend to come from the ranks of teachers, who tend to be left wing in outlook: just look at the pronouncement from the NUT or NASUWT conferences. I suppose that the odd JACT member slips through now and again, but there are so few I doubt they have any real effect).

I'll grant that the government gets to make the decisions about what kind of exams students take and whatnot. (Though they usually adopt policies that are suggested by the educational establishment anyway, see e.g. the adoption of the inferior GCSE over the GCE/CSE system). But what real effect does the government have in respect of the day to day experience of a student. Very little. Which explains the vast differences between the administration of a secondary school in Henley and one in Jarrow.

(And aren't schools in scotland now completely seperate from central government in all respects?)

What do you mean?

Well, just look at the increase in the number of burglaries and stranger on stranger criminal assaults &c. Or the increase in the incarceration rate. It's not wholly schools, of course, but they are a very large factor. There is no doubt that the UK is becoming a coarser more violent society.

Well, what involvement does the central government have in the day to day running of schools?...
Sorry, I was meaning you'd have to back up the notion that 'lefties' control the UK school system.

There is no doubt that the UK is becoming a coarser more violent society.
In certain areas.

Moreover, such violence doesn't warrant hyperbole like "a progressive breakdown in civil society".

*phew*

Finally made it to good ol' USA in one piece even with British Airways trying their best to annoy me..mixing up seating arrangements and having couples split and crying babies traveling in the middle. The worst was the food...nowhere in the BA website it says what kind of food we get on the names we see...I saw "Hindu meal" and "Asian Vegetarian". Hmmmm...I am a Hindu (sort of..sometimes) and I am geographically an "Asian"..but I don't see myself sharing a cuisine with a person from Laos or Kyrgyzstan. So I picked Hindu meal. And they give me one.

And I ask them "Is this Vegetarian?".

Air Hostess "This is Hindu meal".

Me "Yeah, but is this vegetarian?"

Air Hostess "This is Hindu meal".

Me "Yes, I get that. I just want to know what is inside this"

Air Hostess goes away and comes back after a while "Sir, you ordered a hindu meal and this is the hindu meal".

Me, thinking of yelling @&*%@*#%*#&^$*&@# and managing to calm down and ask "Yes, I understand I ordered a hindu meal. What I don't understand and what I could not gather from your website is what is a hindu meal. All I need to know is if this is vegetarian or not".

Air Hostess "Oh" and then turns the box around and reads "Butter Chicken"...

That rant aside...

Where is this "Croydon". I admit, I have not been around London much, but I have never heard of this place. I would also say that these are things peculiar to the big cities. The countryside is quite beautiful and people are (at least the ones I bump into) quite pleasant and well-behaved.

I have to wonder if we're getting the whole story. Presumably these cops walk the same beat every day, and are known to the residents; perhaps this was more about pent-up frustration over the incompetence/dishonesty/corruption/arrogance of the alleged victims than anger over a simple command to pick up one's trash. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but I would consider the possibility before dismissing the alleged perpetrators as chavs, barbarians, or whatever.

The officers were on sick leave. What business do they have telling the girl to pick up litter in the first place if they aren't on duty? If they weren't on duty, they wouldn't be dressed in uniform so the mob probably thought they were a couple of pricks.

Just seems logical to me.