NationStates Jolt Archive


Invasive species...on purpose?

Sarkhaan
18-07-2008, 06:48
We've all heard of them at some time or another...species moved (be it by accident or knowingly) from their home territory and released into the wild in a new location, only to dominate. Kudzu in the US Southeast from Japan, Green crabs along the US east coast from China, rats in most of the world from Asia and Europe...they're everywhere.

Now, what about doing it for conservation? I have heard it proposed for a large number of African animals, moving them to the American southwest to something of a national park/animal refuge. The argument is that the two areas are similar, and relatives of many of these species once existed in these areas.

More recently, however, it has been suggested as a way to protect animals from climate change.

"But now, as the reality of global warming sinks in, and species are already becoming endangered and even going extinct because of climate change, I'm seeing a new willingness in the conservation community to at least talk about the possibility of helping out species by moving them around,"

There are plenty of risks in moving plants and animals to new locations. They may not survive, or they may become invasive, growing wildly without predators and crowding out natives of their new location.

When deciding which species to save and which to watch die, Root said one key is uniqueness. That's why she said she'd save the odd-looking Tuatara of New Zealand, a lizard-like creature with almost no living relatives, over the common sparrow.

The risk of extinction has to be balanced by the potential hazard to the community where a species is relocated as well as the time and cost of making the move, Parmesan says.

"Ultimately, the decision about whether to actively assist the movement of a species into new territories will rest on ethical and aesthetic grounds as much as on hard science," she said in a statement.

"Passively assisting coral reef migration may be acceptable, but transplanting polar bears to Antarctica, where they would likely drive native penguins to extinction, would not be acceptable," she said.

"Conservation has never been an exact science, but preserving biodiversity in the face of climate change is likely to require a fundamental rethinking of what it means to preserve biodiversity," Parmesan said.


So what say you, NSG? Is it okay to save a species by moving it to a similar habitat? Or would we just be asking for more problems?



It seems to me that, in our attempts to solve problems by moving species around, we have continuously caused a new set of problems. I don't see it as a particularly wise idea.
Razorl
18-07-2008, 06:53
we shouldn't worry because the fact we might be all sucked into a black hole very soon by stupid french scientists makes it obsolete. but anyways i beleive it is okay as long as the animal has a good source of food and isnt too warm or cold.
South Lizasauria
18-07-2008, 06:56
We've all heard of them at some time or another...species moved (be it by accident or knowingly) from their home territory and released into the wild in a new location, only to dominate. Kudzu in the US Southeast from Japan, Green crabs along the US east coast from China, rats in most of the world from Asia and Europe...they're everywhere.

Now, what about doing it for conservation? I have heard it proposed for a large number of African animals, moving them to the American southwest to something of a national park/animal refuge. The argument is that the two areas are similar, and relatives of many of these species once existed in these areas.

More recently, however, it has been suggested as a way to protect animals from climate change.








So what say you, NSG? Is it okay to save a species by moving it to a similar habitat? Or would we just be asking for more problems?



It seems to me that, in our attempts to solve problems by moving species around, we have continuously caused a new set of problems. I don't see it as a particularly wise idea.

It'll screw up the eco-system. Suppose some of the animals are more successful in their new habitat than in their old one so as a result one of the species either becomes more or less successful which could eventually lead to disaster. An example would be bunnies invading a fertile plain. They'd eat up all the vegetation leaving less food for the other animals or maybe an animal that scares away wolves which results in more vermin since there are no wolves to limit the vermin population. Cause and effect.
Bitchkitten
18-07-2008, 08:58
Yeah, ask the American south how they like kudzu. Or fire ants. Or Africanized bees.

Or Australia how they like cute little bunny rabbits.
Call to power
18-07-2008, 10:52
I don't see why not though this would explain how chimpanzees went on to dominate the New York area

SNIP

of course its negated by the fact that until the end of the last ice age similar animals existed in the Americas anyway

a large number of African animals, moving them to the American southwest to something of a national park/animal refuge. The argument is that the two areas are similar

:p
Free Soviets
18-07-2008, 19:52
of course its negated by the fact that until the end of the last ice age similar animals existed in the Americas anyway

and its not as though the ecosystems in question are in particularly good working order now...



more generally the issue here is that the normal response to climate change is shifts in ranges. but now we not only have anthropogenic climate change, but humans have also caused massive habitat fragmentation, so that isn't really possible either. so we have caused a series of ecological catastrophes that prevent the normal operation of things, and we agree that causing species extinction is bad, so we pretty much have written ourselves into having to relocate species in some instances.

especially since keeping them in captivity for multiple generations doesn't work if what we really want are the wild species rather than species that have evolved to live in captivity (what we might call pseudo-domesticated or maybe even artifactual specimens). selection in captivity is really really strong and never in favor of the wild-type.
Neo Bretonnia
18-07-2008, 19:57
cue illegal immigrant joke...
Lord Tothe
18-07-2008, 20:11
What if the lions wiped out the already endangered cougars down thataway? Oops!
Free Soviets
19-07-2008, 02:11
What if the lions wiped out the already endangered cougars down thataway? Oops!

those aren't exactly occupying the same niche
Conserative Morality
19-07-2008, 02:13
We've all heard of them at some time or another...species moved (be it by accident or knowingly) from their home territory and released into the wild in a new location, only to dominate. Kudzu in the US Southeast from Japan, Green crabs along the US east coast from China, rats in most of the world from Asia and Europe...they're everywhere.

Now, what about doing it for conservation? I have heard it proposed for a large number of African animals, moving them to the American southwest to something of a national park/animal refuge. The argument is that the two areas are similar, and relatives of many of these species once existed in these areas.

More recently, however, it has been suggested as a way to protect animals from climate change.

GLOBAL WARMING WILL DESTROY UZ ALLZ!!!!!1!11!11

So what say you, NSG? Is it okay to save a species by moving it to a similar habitat? Or would we just be asking for more problems?



It seems to me that, in our attempts to solve problems by moving species around, we have continuously caused a new set of problems. I don't see it as a particularly wise idea.
Leave 'em where they are. Survival of the most adaptive, eh?
Lunatic Goofballs
19-07-2008, 02:14
Generally speaking, environmental scientists have a long and spectacular list of failures when it comes to environmental engineering. The only thing more catastrophic than the impact humanity has on the environment is the impact they have by thinking they can fix it. :p
New Wallonochia
19-07-2008, 02:15
Yeah, ask the American south how they like kudzu. Or fire ants. Or Africanized bees.

Or Australia how they like cute little bunny rabbits.

Or the Great Lakes how they like zebra mussels.
Arroza
19-07-2008, 02:27
Yeah, ask the American south how they like kudzu. Or fire ants. Or Africanized bees.

Or Australia how they like cute little bunny rabbits.

Kudzu: We might be able to get ethanol out of it. If so then it becomes epic win.

Fire Ants: Allergic, so they're evil.

African Bees: Never seen any, I'm more scared of southern Yellow Jackets.
Free Soviets
19-07-2008, 03:32
Generally speaking, environmental scientists have a long and spectacular list of failures when it comes to environmental engineering. The only thing more catastrophic than the impact humanity has on the environment is the impact they have by thinking they can fix it. :p

how many ecological catastrophes have really been caused by people trying to fix things? i can think of lots of instances where the fix didn't work, but no catastrophes off the top of my head. the catastrophes have mainly been either intentional or thoughtless destruction, accidental introductions, or 'improvements'.
Glen-Rhodes
19-07-2008, 04:03
You're being a little to literal with that adjective, bud. :P

I'm surprised that somebody hasn't utilized this idea as a military weapon.