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You really don't know what you're talking about...
Oh please, get over yourself, Clinton was the biggest capitalist and most anti-working class President ever, he did far more damage to the working class than many Republican presidents have.

Did not the Taft-Hartley Act pass with Democratic approval?

Democrats and Republicans are the same head of the bourgeois hydra.

Oh please, get over yourself, Clinton was the biggest capitalist and most anti-working class President ever, he did far more damage to the working class than many Republican presidents have.

Did not the Taft-Hartley Act pass with Democratic approval?

Democrats and Republicans are the same head of the bourgeois hydra.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Regardless, whatever you may think, Obama BEATS THE ALTERNATIVE.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Regardless, whatever you may think, Obama BEATS THE ALTERNATIVE.

How so? And in what areas?

Universal health care= no Obama supports 'affordable' (see privately owned) health care.

Maybe once upon a time in the post-War welfare capitalist order Democrats stood for something better for the working class, but post Reagan and 'deregulation' both sides support exactly the same 'free'-enterprise system which destroys national industry, employment and incurs massive loss on the working class.

How so? And in what areas?

How about "in preventing even more death in random countries"?

How about "in preventing even more death in random countries"?
As far as I have seen BO is just as much, if not more, of an imperialist and warmonger than McCain. BO is willing to attack Pakistan, has declared his utmost allegiance to AIPAC the American wing of the Zionist imperialist movement, and still wants to poor troops in Afghanistan which is being turned into the world opium fields.

The Democratic Party was a looong history of warmongering, going right back to Kennedy, Johnson and the anti-communist conspiracy theories and wars.

As far as I have seen BO is just as much, if not more, of an imperialist and warmonger than McCain. BO is willing to attack Pakistan, has declared his utmost allegiance to AIPAC the American wing of the Zionist imperialist movement, and still wants to poor troops in Afghanistan which is being turned into the world opium fields.

The Democratic Party was a looong history of warmongering, going right back to Kennedy, Johnson and the anti-communist conspiracy theories and wars.

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***To the sound of Ruddigore, at about 2:22 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79BMsMEtH3g ***

***Requiem***

And then his posts
Not much unlike most
End up pointless, filled with tripe!
Ludicrous, perhaps
They get no more, chap
Than a grisly, grim "Rolleyes"!

:rolleyes:

(From another part of the song...)

And away I go, with a mop and a mow,
For tomorrow I wake up soon!
But by all means do feel free to try
To talk to Sun Myung Moon!

BO is willing to attack Pakistan,

Actually, what he said is that he is willing to attack Al-Quaeda within Pakistan if the Pakistani government won't do it.

Good luck finding a candidate who wouldn't go after bin Ladin. And if you do, maybe you'll get him elected in an alternate universe.

Added to this, it's not as if Marine's see the world just because they're stationed in another country. Often they're on guard duty and rarely leave the compound unless it's to go to the red-light district, such as Itaewon in Seoul.

It's hardly as if they're melding with the local culture.

Even in the UK, US bases had US police cars, US stores and more, most people essentially never left the US.

Yurp. I'm okay with the statement "I've seen the world" so long as it's true. But adding "I'm a Marine" as if that's evidence you've seen the world requires me to ignore what I know about the USMC.

No, I suggest people not participate in any form of bourgeois politics, as the system will never change anything.

So your solution is to not participate in an effort to make the government act in a manner you find more becoming. It may not be exactly what you want, but you could certainly push it in the right direction. Instead, you choose to sit back and whine about how unfair the world is. Because, you know, just watching always, always makes things better.

It's actually pretty good evidence against you. Human beings without incentive tend to shirk from doing the hard work. Thanks for being the evidence of why socialism is a flawed concept.

I will confess that after all these months of campaigning, I really have no better idea of what he proposes than I did from the beginning. He keeps talking about change, but I don't think I've picked up on what changes he intends to make or how he proposes to do so.

Note: this is not a thread for asserting that his opponent is superior -- just discussing what the heck it is he's trying to sell us.

Yes, I'm trying to get some debate going -- after desticking the election thread and saying "Have at it," there's been no new political threads I can see -- and some spambitching going on in the huge thread.

To truly answer this question, we must resort to the only truth to be found outside the Holy Bible. White Nationalist Haiku.

Barack Obama
What is this man's true platform
Black Tony Robbins?

Barack Obama
What of his baby mama?
Domestic Drama?

Barack Obama
Obama-comma-Barack
Is he just all talk?

Barack Obama
Will resolve North Korea
'Cause Blacks scare Asians

Barack Obama
Running mate, critical choice
Samuel L. Jackson

Barack Obama
Biggest presidential dong
Since Jimmy Carter

When you put it like that (as slave labor that is). A few of the jokes about Obama enslaving "the white man" (though not only whites) start to have a bit support.

P.S. I'm not racist, I just hate: People that choose not to pay attention in class and then say it’s not their fault they’re stupid.

People that ask for equal rights for everyone and then expect special treatment.

Corrupt governments (hint, hint: United States of America, not saying the US is the worst. China is much worse.)

Wannabe gangsters. This includes just about any “gang” in America. The only real gangsters are the Mafia, the Stasi and the Yakuza.

African Americans (or anyone else for that matter) that think that black people should get special treatment just because “the white man” enslaved their ancestors. Guess what, African slavery was started in Africa by Africans!

Anyone that thinks it’s okay to kill a harmless animal just because they think it tastes good.

The FDA, FTC, pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists, and all fast food companies.

I agree completly. Except when you say that kids who don't pay attention are stupid

How is brain plasticity relevant to Obama and his proposed changes? :confused:

How is brain plasticity relevant to Obama and his proposed changes? :confused:

Because having a black president named Barack Hussein Obama is going to cause a sizable portion of the population, including much of the south, to abruptly shit their hypothalmus into their pants.

How is brain plasticity relevant to Obama and his proposed changes? :confused:

Obama endorses mandatory foreign language courses in public elementary schools. Some did not see the need for this because if someone wished to learn another language they could do so when they were older. In rebuttal, it was argued that children pick up languages much faster than those over a certain age since they're brains have a higher degree of plasticity.

I will confess that after all these months of campaigning, I really have no better idea of what he proposes than I did from the beginning. He keeps talking about change, but I don't think I've picked up on what changes he intends to make or how he proposes to do so.

Note: this is not a thread for asserting that his opponent is superior -- just discussing what the heck it is he's trying to sell us.

Yes, I'm trying to get some debate going -- after desticking the election thread and saying "Have at it," there's been no new political threads I can see -- and some spambitching going on in the huge thread.
Obama follows a Socialist/Marxist idea. Everything he is proposing is not authorized by any of the founding documents. (Now before people start flaming me, I can't stand mccain either)

Because having a black president named Barack Hussein Obama is going to cause a sizable portion of the population, including much of the south, to abruptly shit their hypothalmus into their pants.

In EVERY thread I try and do something stylish in, someone just goes there and WINS it! :p

Added to this, it's not as if Marine's see the world just because they're stationed in another country. Often they're on guard duty and rarely leave the compound unless it's to go to the red-light district, such as Itaewon in Seoul.

It's hardly as if they're melding with the local culture.

Even in the UK, US bases had US police cars, US stores and more, most people essentially never left the US.

Depends on the soldier in question. I spent a lot of time off base everywhere I went, and not in the red-light districts. I've also deployed to countries where there was no base, and had to deal with local civilians on a daily basis. When I was in Germany, I estimated that roughly 40% of the soldiers on our base did the same as I did - buy a Europass and spend most, if not all, of their free time traveling around Europe.

I also have spent over a decade living overseas in various countries as a civilian.

Educational though this discussion of military movements is, I don't think it's all that relevant to the topic.

Educational though this discussion of military movements is, I don't think it's all that relevant to the topic.

While I agree with you, I believe in reading the thread that we got here because we meandered through Americans being ignorant because they don't all know a second language (not sure how that happened), and then it became certain posters are ignorant because they didn't bother to learn a second language (thereby nullifying any further posts from them, because as we are all told on NSG, if you don't speak a second language, your posts are invalid).

Thank you for redirecting us back to the thread. I shall consider making another thread on "What Disqualifies The Other Poster", to include criteria such as second languages.

While I agree with you, I believe in reading the thread that we got here because we meandered through Americans being ignorant because they don't all know a second language (not sure how that happened), and then it became certain posters are ignorant because they didn't bother to learn a second language (thereby nullifying any further posts from them, because as we are all told on NSG, if you don't speak a second language, your posts are invalid).

Thank you for redirecting us back to the thread. I shall consider making another thread on "What Disqualifies The Other Poster", to include criteria such as second languages.

Wow, that's entirely detached from reality. What it "became" was "wow, that statement is really ignorant and completely ignores the importance of SLA and learning about other cultures. It's simultaneously says ignorant things about other cultures and makes our point for us."

You've got your cause and effect mixed up.

Don't worry, honey, your posts will always be invalidated by content. I promise.

Wow, that's entirely detached from reality. What it "became" was "wow, that statement is really ignorant and completely ignores the importance of SLA and learning about other cultures. It's simultaneously says ignorant things about other cultures and makes our point for us."

You've got your cause and effect mixed up.

Don't worry, honey, your posts will always be invalidated by content. I promise.

Don't worry, the mod says you're completely off topic.

thereby nullifying any further posts from them, because as we are all told on NSG, if you don't speak a second language, your posts are invalid
Gooooooooooooooo massive hyperbole!

Don't worry, the mod says you're completely off topic.

The topic that began this is and was Obama's position that SLA is an important skill.

The little victim portrayal that it was introduced as an attack on you is an attempt to leave it derailed. I clarified to get us BACK on-topic.

So unless you've got something to say about SLA being an important skill or Obama's position on it, move on, there's nothing to see here.

The topic that began this is and was Obama's position that SLA is an important skill.

The little victim portrayal that it was introduced as an attack on you is an attempt to leave it derailed. I clarified to get us BACK on-topic.

So unless you've got something to say about SLA being an important skill or Obama's position on it, move on, there's nothing to see here.

go back and see what the mod said.

Ladies and gentlemen of the parliament, I trust none here will doubt my ability to stay on topic, to eschew even the most gentle threadjacking, and to make only posts of civil and pertinent character....

So, then, let us wrap to our shoulders a warming blanket of context, and list for dispute how our toothy Mulatto candidate differs from his opponent, the lich with the equally disturbing death rictus of a grin....

Shall we begin with foreign or domestic matters? Or sexual?

Obama favors a tax credit that would largely pay for at least community college for most Americans. McCain favors fine new goose quills for all young scholars, and pressed reeds from far Egypt upon which to practice writing the classics until the can conjugate the latin, or conjugate with latins...

go back and see what the mod said.

Seriously this is childish. The topic is what changes are being proposed by Obama, i.e. what are his positions, and a natural part of that are whether or not we agree with those positions and why.

Thus the topic of his position on SLA is not only relevant to the original position, but it's the topic. What the mod said was that the military movements aren't relevant to the topic and she's right, it's not.

She didn't say that talking about whether we agree with Obama on SLA and why is irrelevant. So this is just another on a long list of things you aren't even close to right on.

Seriously this is childish. The topic is what changes are being proposed by Obama, i.e. what are his positions, and a natural part of that are whether or not we agree with those positions and why.

Thus the topic of his position on SLA is not only relevant to the original position, but it's the topic. What the mod said was that the military movements aren't relevant to the topic and she's right, it's not.

She didn't say that talking about whether we agree with Obama on SLA and why is irrelevant. So this is just another on a long list of things you aren't even close to right on.

The SLA issue is rather irrelevant, compared to most of the issues that you could talk about re: Obama.

That's like saying, "Obama promises that all our kids will score above-average on tests".

Most people don't have the ability to learn a foreign language fluently, even if given classes. It's a thing called "aptitude".

As far as I can tell the only actual change he's commited to is the change of President from George W. Bush to Barack Obama. Also his policies and political opinions depending on the situation.

Good luck finding a candidate who wouldn't go after bin Ladin.
The Republicans came up with such a candidate in 2004 :)
And if you do, maybe you'll get him elected in an alternate universe.
They even got him elected, or at least so they say :):)

The Republicans came up with such a candidate in 2004 :)

They even got him elected, or at least so they say :):)

LOL!

Ok, let me try again.

Find a candidate who willingly admits that he won't go after bin Ladin. =)

As far as I can tell the only actual change he's commited to is the change of President from George W. Bush to Barack Obama. Also his policies and political opinions depending on the situation.
yeah and that is why im voting for him. not only is he NOT george w bush, not only will he NOT continue bush's failed policies (as mccain has promised to) but he is willing to say that he will change his fucking mind if it turns out that what he wants to do today isnt the right thing to do next year.

The SLA issue is rather irrelevant, compared to most of the issues that you could talk about re: Obama.

That's like saying, "Obama promises that all our kids will score above-average on tests".

Most people don't have the ability to learn a foreign language fluently, even if given classes. It's a thing called "aptitude".
Is Obama from Lake Woebegone? I knew there was something strange about him.

Most people don't have the ability to learn a foreign language fluently, even if given classes. It's a thing called "aptitude".
Oh you're a scream! You do realize that when a baby is born, it does not know any language at all, that every language is "foreign"? Most people (all but a very tiny fraction of unfortunates, in fact) do have the ability to learn a language.

Oh you're a scream! You do realize that when a baby is born, it does not know any language at all, that every language is "foreign"? Most people (all but a very tiny fraction of unfortunates, in fact) do have the ability to learn a language.

Not true. All babies are born with the ability to speak Esperanto.

They simply choose not to exercise this ability, so as not to appear pretentious.

Oh you're a scream! You do realize that when a baby is born, it does not know any language at all, that every language is "foreign"? Most people (all but a very tiny fraction of unfortunates, in fact) do have the ability to learn a language.

Try sending an infant to public school. You're a scream.

Most people lose this ability to learn a language to fluency by age 8, except by dint of years and years of constant schooling and exposure to the language.

People still go to school before age 8, right? Or did I just get ripped off...

The SLA issue is rather irrelevant, compared to most of the issues that you could talk about re: Obama.

That's like saying, "Obama promises that all our kids will score above-average on tests".

Most people don't have the ability to learn a foreign language fluently, even if given classes. It's a thing called "aptitude".

Huh, so if they lived in that foreign country they would just be unable to speak?

How about you just admit you don't know what you're talking about before the argument and save a little time?

Try sending an infant to public school. You're a scream.

Most people lose this ability to learn a language to fluency by age 8, except by dint of years and years of constant schooling and exposure to the language.

Uh, we just went over all this. But, hey, don't let evidence change your mind. That would be out of character.

I will confess that after all these months of campaigning, I really have no better idea of what he proposes than I did from the beginning. He keeps talking about change, but I don't think I've picked up on what changes he intends to make or how he proposes to do so.

Note: this is not a thread for asserting that his opponent is superior -- just discussing what the heck it is he's trying to sell us.

Yes, I'm trying to get some debate going -- after desticking the election thread and saying "Have at it," there's been no new political threads I can see -- and some spambitching going on in the huge thread.

He makes nice speeches of change with little substance.

Barack Obama was against the war in Iraq, against the surge, wanted to bring the troops home. Now he is against the war in Iraq, wants to bring the troops home, wants to fight the war on terror in Afghanistan. That would require supporting a surge in Afghanistan. By the same troops or other troops. I wonder how his bring the troop home supporters feel about that one? Perhaps they dont believe him?

This guy is a phony. The saint of change you can believe in that would never say or do anything bad or wrong unlike his opponents. That would never take a position on an issue just to get your votes. Barack Obama is a phony, he is not the saint of change you can believe in he claims to be.

On Israel and other subjects as well.

Meeting world leaders without preconditions after preparations with conditions, lol.

I hope and trust independent voters began to see what a phony Barack Obama is.