NationStates Jolt Archive

Okay, seriously now. On various boards we bitch about how bad NSG has gotten. There are numerous theories as to why this is, ranging from draconian mod influence, the newish PG-13 rating and shitty jolt (now OMAC) servers...to just being repeat-topicked out. (k added to maintain the hard c sound, and thus I invent a new word)

Some of us have been here for a fair number of years now. Can it really be that we need to abandon NSG? Have we squeezed from it all that it can possibly give us?

Or is there some way that this community can revitalise itself?

I know that there will be some, if not many, who argue that there's really nothing wrong, or new about any of this...that NSG is as it ever was. Fair enough, perhaps that perception is just as valid.

But for those of us who disagree...who think that NSG has lost it's 'spark'...what can we do to make this once again the exciting, and vital insane asylum it once was?

I'm with you. When I first started posting in here I usually had as many as 5 threads I was simultaneously involved in. Now I can't usually find more than one or two that's worthwhile.

I don't know why that is... except maybe so many topics have been done to death and those who have been around a while are just sick of repetition?

Well I've been using NS since 2004. (This is just a puppet)

I must admit they've gotten a lot more strict in recent years, but I still love this place. Besides, NS was invented for RP'ing. The General forum was just a run-off.

But I have to admit, I still find myself here more often than RP'ing.

however you intend, constant, day long crashes is not the way to do it.

Hopefully, by the time NS2 will be out, things will be better.

Well, i think there's been a huge increase in the pointless troll threads...

to the point that i dont bother replying to alot of them...

Hopefully, by the time NS2 will be out, things will be better.

That's one thing that upsets me. When NS2 comes out, this place will die... :(

Frankly it's a fact of hanging around too long. All the old threads have been done to death. There's nary a topic for debate we haven't all done a dozen times.

I'm with you. When I first started posting in here I usually had as many as 5 threads I was simultaneously involved in. Now I can't usually find more than one or two that's worthwhile.

I don't know why that is... except maybe so many topics have been done to death and those who have been around a while are just sick of repetition?
I don't know...I mean, it's not like there wasn't always massive repetition. I would get involved in those repeating threads if they weren't so dull...the arguments are usually not very well made on the 'other side' to be honest. Not enough decent opposing debators anymore. Like Alien Born, for example...he and I didn't agree all the time, and when we didn't it was great...he was fantastic at debating.

I mean, I don't want to sit around and circle jerk with all the posters I agree with. I mean, not too many times...it chafes. We need some decent opposition, not just reactionary trolls with poorly-thought out lines of attack.

Well I've been using NS since 2004. (This is just a puppet)

I must admit they've gotten a lot more strict in recent years, but I still love this place. Besides, NS was invented for RP'ing. The General forum was just a run-off.

But I have to admit, I still find myself here more often than RP'ing.

Yeah, I'm strictly a Generalite.

however you intend, constant, day long crashes is not the way to do it.

This is a major piss off. It's been months of crashes. The fact that so many have stuck around despite this is a testament to either our masochism, or tenacity.

Apparently NSG was awesome until 05ish. But I barely paid any attention to NSG when I was on back then, so I missed everything good. :(

Frankly it's a fact of hanging around too long. All the old threads have been done to death. There's nary a topic for debate we haven't all done a dozen times.

So is there an expiry date here?

Like, you can only stand NSG for 3, 5 years and then you're done?

I can't believe it.

I've been here since summer 05....and I'm not sure, but it seem there alot more people not interested in political/socio/economic discussions anymore but rather spam and other tiddly wink-grab-ass type threads. Also, it seems that a while ago, there were alot more people (some quite extreme) with differing opinions, so they really heated things up around here. We'd have interesting threads where multiple people were all arguing with each other, or different groups of people with different beleifs arguing against each other, almost in teams.

Now a days, we discourage alternate opinions here and they are usually shot down with "bigot" or just ignored or made fun of...yet we wonder why this place gets boring.

I remember the days when, for example, I and Ny Nordland would talk about the reasons for keeping Turkey out of the EU...and now we get tool bags like Gauthier replying the same repeated shit in every thread, "teh evil muslims"...THAT IS BORING. So don't sit and wonder why things are getting boring when you aren't allowing alternative opinions.

Or for example when I and Europa Maxima would argue about how Pinochet Economics saved Chile from the fate of the rest of Latin-America....yet now if I say something like this, we get tool bags like Gauthier calling me a Bushevik???

I mean seriously...who the fuck wants to sit around with a bunch of people who agree with them and just circle jerk? Heated debates are much more fun.

So yes. I blame people who don't want heated debate and opposing opinions. The people who cause people who are not like, or similar to them in political and social views to either not stick around, or not really come on often.

I'm not crying about it, because obvioulsy I'm still here and will continue to be here. But you asked, and there it is.

The fact that so many have stuck around despite this is a testament to either our masochis, or tenacity.

Probably one of them for some, and t'other for the rest.

Apparently NSG was awesome until 05ish. But I barely paid any attention to NSG when I was on back then, so I missed everything good. :(

Hahha, well I think I originally joined in 04? I don't know...Sinuhue seems to have lost her post count and her original join date. But it was pretty great until oh, hmmm...I'd say it's been declining (IMO) for the past year or so.

Probably one of them for some, and t'other for the rest.

I'm not the only masochist here, smart ass.

Its my fault, lol

I agree. When I first laid eyes on NSG it was an insane place and I loved it. Now if I come back after an hour its like one thread has been posted in. Not like it used to be.

What can be done though?

Hmm maybe we need to get to know each other a bit more, bring some closeness. I propose NSG Blind Date!

Has jolt always been as glitchy as it's been lately? I can't remember back that far. That's really what's killing things around here.

As to the message topics, there's only so many times you can discuss religion, politics, and abortion before you get bored/jaded with the whole forum thing.

Mods will be mods. The ones around here have pretty much been in line with other boards I've been on, although it gets difficult sometimes to tell if they've got their mod hat on when they wade into a thread, or if they're just prickly.

No idea how to fix it. We need some new blood with new, insane ideas, or old blood to get interested again. Oh, and jolt to stop crapping out. That would be nice too.

The repeat topics seem to come from newer folks who weren't here for the "classic" discussion on whatever topic that may have been. Whether it was the classic atheism v belief thread, or peak oil, or elections (different candidates, but talk always winds up on the topic of either polarization -- conservative & liberal -- or electioneering or media coverage), abortion, class warfare, gay marriage, or whatever, these basic topics always repeat themselves with variations only as good as those posting in those threads.

Then there's the survey/what-do-you-like threads, and even they can degenerate into basic polarization arguments, too.

Recent inclusions into the thread pantheon include the dancing-on-graves argument and the economy = astrology? thread.

I can completely understand someone who's been here longer than me (April 2005) thinking "holy balls, I don't want to post the same links and make the same points I've already made dozens of times to this whelp who thinks they've got a point to make!" So to answer Neesika, I can't think of anything you can do short of going out of your way for new topics that are either combinations of existing ones (which has been done, too, as in the homosexuality-nature-or-nurture trope mixes gay with religion...two great tastes that taste great together...), or just accepting that, like music, "it's all been done", and making do with improving your flourishes, honing your rhetorical expression skills, and testing your patience by trying to explain something to people or trolls you'd rather just beat with a Stilson wrench.

Sorry for not having any solid ideas, Sin. I deserve to be spanked. Hard. :)






please?

i blame it on having to put all US election political comments on the election sticky thread. it keeps people from starting threads about stuff that is in the news that bunches of people are interested about.

in the summer before a US election in the past the political posting has been fast and furious. this years its dead.

As has been mentioned, I think partially it's that while there are a good amount of intelligent folks here, they almost exclusively reside on one side of the issues.

It seems that, essentially, you pick an issue, and the bulk of the forum population is on one side, and those that disagree do so either for:

1) religion
2) bigotry
3) uber nationalism

None of which are debatable, counterable, or arguable.

I agree. When I first laid eyes on NSG it was an insane place and I loved it. Now if I come back after an hour its like one thread has been posted in. Not like it used to be.

What can be done though?

Hmm maybe we need to get to know each other a bit more, bring some closeness. I propose NSG Blind Date!

Wasn't that done already on 4-1-2007?

98% OF AMERICAN TEENAGERS SAY THERE IS NO NEW TOPICS.

*ahem*

Hahha, well I think I originally joined in 04? I don't know...Sinuhue seems to have lost her post count and her original join date. But it was pretty great until oh, hmmm...I'd say it's been declining (IMO) for the past year or so.

It is entirely possible that I've been lied to. Though what sticks in my mind is that I was around during the epic lingerie thread(didn't you start that, incidentally?) but it escaped by notice somehow.

Wasn't that done already on 4-1-2007?

Damn...I'm out of ideas...Curse you for pointing out this history!

i blame it on having to put all US election political comments on the election sticky thread. it keeps people from starting threads about stuff that is in the news that bunches of people are interested about.

in the summer before a US election in the past the political posting has been fast and furious. this years its dead.

There's something to that notion, y'know. Good point.

As has been mentioned, I think partially it's that while there are a good amount of intelligent folks here, they almost exclusively reside on one side of the issues.

It seems that, essentially, you pick an issue, and the bulk of the forum population is on one side, and those that disagree do so either for:

1) religion
2) bigotry
3) uber nationalism

None of which are debatable, counterable, or arguable.

I beg to differ :soap: Lets get it on!!! lol

With less freedom to socialize, spam and post edgy pics, the monotony of dreary repeat debate topics and the loss of a few very intelligent and witty posters has kind of put NSG on a downward spiral. :soap:

I've been here since summer 05....and I'm not sure, but it seem there alot more people not interested in political/socio/economic discussions anymore but rather spam and other tiddly wink-grab-ass type threads.

I have to disagree here. If anything, there's much less of that sort of thread since it's been restricted.

The spammy, lighter topics were kind of a place that people could go in the midst of the really heated threads and calm down and talk about something silly. Of course, some of us have taken the spammy, silly stuff elsewhere.

I beg to differ :soap: Lets get it on!!! lol

*puts on vinyl of Marvin Gaye; waits*

I don't mind the repeat topics, personally - my inner teacher actually kind of likes explaining why "it's just a theory" is a stupid argument for the nth time. (As Neesika pointed out, she's not the only masochist around here. :-p )

I do very, very much mind the constant server crashes, which have crossed the boundary from "kind of annoying" into "absolutely ridiculous," and I do wish there were more smart people around who disagreed with me on things. It seems like there used to be more, but perhaps that's just my imagination.

I don't mind the repeat topics, personally - my inner teacher actually kind of likes explaining why "it's just a theory" is a stupid argument for the nth time. (As Neesika pointed out, she's not the only masochist around here. :-p )

I do very, very much mind the constant server crashes, which have crossed the boundary from "kind of annoying" into "absolutely ridiculous," and I do wish there were more smart people around who disagreed with me on things. It seems like there used to be more, but perhaps that's just my imagination.

Your first few months, you had me disagreeing with you a lot on -- I think -- some kind of gender/sexuality-related issue that escapes me. Since then, I've come to see you as an ally with whom I occasionally disagree.

I don't mind the repeat topics, personally - my inner teacher actually kind of likes explaining why "it's just a theory" is a stupid argument for the nth time. (As Neesika pointed out, she's not the only masochist around here. :-p )

I do very, very much mind the constant server crashes, which have crossed the boundary from "kind of annoying" into "absolutely ridiculous," and I do wish there were more smart people around who disagreed with me on things. It seems like there used to be more, but perhaps that's just my imagination.

I disagree with your point about the servers crashing. In fact I wish the servers crashed more!

:)

With less freedom to socialize, spam and post edgy pics, the monotony of dreary repeat debate topics and the loss of a few very intelligent and witty posters has kind of put NSG on a downward spiral. :soap:

are we no longer allowed to have one spam thread? is that why there is no longer one of those "paradise whatever" threads around?

I do very, very much mind the constant server crashes, which have crossed the boundary from "kind of annoying" into "absolutely ridiculous," and I do wish there were more smart people around who disagreed with me on things. It seems like there used to be more, but perhaps that's just my imagination.

I wonder sometimes if it's really that, or if it's just that we've heard all the arguments that they put up by now and rejected them, so it doesn't sound as intelligent.

While I agree that the inner teacher doesn't mind repeating the same explanation for the nth time, there's also a part that thinks, "Damn, does anyone really still believe that? I've personally countered it n times by now and all the information on it is readily available....

=)

are we no longer allowed to have one spam thread? is that why there is no longer one of those "paradise whatever" threads around?

I think we get the yearly office party thread. There was a paradise beach club thread a while ago, so I guess we can still have them.

Your first few months, you had me disagreeing with you a lot on -- I think -- some kind of gender/sexuality-related issue that escapes me. Since then, I've come to see you as an ally with whom I occasionally disagree.

Heh. I have no idea what I once disagreed with you on. We should try to figure that out so we could have a nice argument about it again. :)

however you intend, constant, day long crashes is not the way to do it.

I was pissed ... there is no legitimate reason that a properly deployed product should experience that sort of behavior

NONE

Proper DR and proper handling of regular maintenance should preclude outages like that. I do not know their current plans for such but they appear to be skimping on the necessities for proper server administration

are we no longer allowed to have one spam thread? is that why there is no longer one of those "paradise whatever" threads around?

I believe we are allowed but it's limited a bit. Not restricted completely. The problem being, as I see it, that as we are to stick within the allowed format, we lose a lot of diversity.

Heh. I have no idea what I once disagreed with you on. We should try to figure that out so we could have a nice argument about it again. :)

[M. Python] No we shouldn't. [/M. Python]

I disagree with your point about the servers crashing. In fact I wish the servers crashed more!

:)

Wish granted, preemptively. Just wait.

[M. Python] No we shouldn't. [/M. Python]



Wish granted, preemptively. Just wait.

Hooray!....Wait...What have I done?!

So is there an expiry date here?

Like, you can only stand NSG for 3, 5 years and then you're done?

I can't believe it.

It's the same for any forum. You very rarely get anyone who hangs around any given forum for more than about three years.

[M. Python] No we shouldn't. [/M. Python]



Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings. :-p

Hooray!....Wait...What have I done?!

"Wish granted" was just my way of saying that asking for more Jolt spasms is like asking for heat in Baghdad.

Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings. :-p

Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, MALodorous PERVERT!

I should point out this infact is a repeat thread. There's been three or four I can think of offhand. Usually every summer.

I should point out this infact is a repeat thread. There's been three or four I can think of offhand. Usually every summer.

Every post is a repost.

I should point out this infact is a repeat thread. There's been three or four I can think of offhand. Usually every summer.

You and your Logic...Skalvia wasnt part of those so it doesnt count...lol...

Hemorrage may have been though, lol....

Every post is a repost.
All this has happened before, and all this will happen again...

Now we just need Dobbs' comics posted about Jr. Hall Monitor Syndrome and being banned for coughing :):cool:

People get older, tire of the same old things, long for something new shocker.

I was feeling nostalgic for this kind of thread, thanks for posting it.

Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, MALodorous PERVERT!

*suddenly gets eaten by a blancmange, because, hey, why not?*

Mmm. I still find NSG to be widely enjoyable. A topic can be redone over and over again, but the debate changes with different people, moods, and new discoverys.

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again...

"Anything that happens which causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen."

-- Hitchhiker's Guide 2.0 (the bird).

Mmm. I still find NSG to be widely enjoyable. A topic can be redone over and over again, but the debate changes with different people, moods, and new discoverys.
That's because you've only been here a year :p

"Anything that happens which causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen."

-- Hitchhiker's Guide 2.0 (the bird).

Oh shit we're all doomed.

NSG has always been a horrible community. Open your eyes.

That's because you've only been here a year :p
GAH! I can't take NSG anymore! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhh
Is that how you feel after being here for three whole years?:)

Here's a related thread that I started in April of '07 with the comics I was talking about.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=539971


The second comic is on page 11.


ahhh memories

GAH! I can't take NSG anymore! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhh
Is that how you feel after being here for three whole years?:)
Not really, it's more like this ironic image right here :

http://rudezone.net/images/notThisShitAgain.gif

It is entirely possible that I've been lied to. Though what sticks in my mind is that I was around during the epic lingerie thread(didn't you start that, incidentally?) but it escaped by notice somehow.

I did. And I don't know how you could have missed it :)

Edit: STUPID SMILEY! YOU SUCK!

I do very, very much mind the constant server crashes, which have crossed the boundary from "kind of annoying" into "absolutely ridiculous," and I do wish there were more smart people around who disagreed with me on things. It seems like there used to be more, but perhaps that's just my imagination.

I know...I've been trying to think of posters that disagreed with me in intelligent ways...but I'm failing at finding names wandering around in my head. I'm certain they existed though...I think?

People get older, tire of the same old things, long for something new shocker.

I was feeling nostalgic for this kind of thread, thanks for posting it.

Yeah, who knows how many times this thread has been done...

Honestly guys, NSG has been full of crap threads as far back as I can remember. I have noticed that there is not as much posting going on anymore, but the quality? I think it's probably about the same. I often don't even read some threads anymore because I've heard it all before, but that just comes from lurking in General for so long...

its become like those conversations you have in a room where everyone has seen each other naked

I will let that thought fester in your imaginations and see where it takes you

When you can't get on NSG for hours at a time with no warning and the smilies and the formats get all mixed up, I think that's when people aren't as forgiving as they were before.

I agree that the quality of the debating is still there, but quantity? I'm not so sure.

I don't know...I mean, it's not like there wasn't always massive repetition. I would get involved in those repeating threads if they weren't so dull...the arguments are usually not very well made on the 'other side' to be honest. Not enough decent opposing debators anymore. Like Alien Born, for example...he and I didn't agree all the time, and when we didn't it was great...he was fantastic at debating.

I mean, I don't want to sit around and circle jerk with all the posters I agree with. I mean, not too many times...it chafes. We need some decent opposition, not just reactionary trolls with poorly-thought out lines of attack.


Should I take this as a challenge to start up or jump into some good arguments? :)

Yeah, who knows how many times this thread has been done...

:)

We're good at constructing memories of things to only recall the good things. I suspect NSG has always had similar problems, though maybe there are less posters nowadays.

I have fond memories for previous forums and other online communities (mostly gaming), but must realise that, actually, there were annoying people, there was a lot of time spent together - some good, some bad. My first killing of Nefarious in WoW was a great moment for me and the guild, but who remembers the 15+ shitty times we spent attempting it and getting slaughtered?

When you can't get on NSG for hours at a time with no warning and the smilies and the formats get all mixed up, I think that's when people aren't as forgiving as they were before.

I agree that the quality of the debating is still there, but quantity? I'm not so sure.

Yeah...the quantity is really lacking. Like Neo B said, it was common to be intensely involved in a handful of threads at once. Now? Feck.

Should I take this as a challenge to start up or jump into some good arguments? :)

I'm not sure you're capable, judging from past dodging.

I think I stopped taking the serious threads seriously when I realised that you can never convince people of anything on NSG, ever. So you might as well talk to yourself.

Quite simply, we need good new people. They're the ones who bring up the topics as if they've not been done before, and we can all have fun bashing them for a bit. But instead, this forum is intensely anti-new person, so they never hang around. How long do you reckon it would be, for example, if a new poster put up an abortion thread, before that stupid 'not this shit again' picture appeared?

But I do think that 'NSG isn't what it used to be' is also a part of being on NSG. There have been threads like this since I arrived here, which either means people have a nostalgia for the past, or I'm to blame for NSG going downhill. [Insert old joking smiley here]

[Insert old joking smiley here]

I was going to insert the :p smilie, only to realize it's more ebil now than it used to be.

its become like those conversations you have in a room where everyone has seen each other naked

I will let that thought fester in your imaginations and see where it takes you

I always managed to have decent conversations with the rugby team I was in?

I think I stopped taking the serious threads seriously when I realised that you can never convince people of anything on NSG, ever. So you might as well talk to yourself.

This isn't really true. Most of us who have been around for a while have had our minds changed on something.

It's usually not a total about-face (ie. someone who is super right-wing on economics isn't suddenly a rabid socialist), but people certainly have changed by degrees or decided that some of their positions were untenable.

These threads always show up around this time of year... it's almost a cycle. We get a bunch of new members, there's debate with a bunch of non-serious n00bs, some of them go away, there's debate with those that do stay and NSG is interesting for a while, life gets in the way and less people come on and then these threads start. I think it'll pick up October-November.

This isn't really true. Most of us who have been around for a while have had our minds changed on something.

It's usually not a total about-face (ie. someone who is super right-wing on economics isn't suddenly a rabid socialist), but people certainly have changed by degrees or decided that some of their positions were untenable.

I've changed my view on abortion, among other things since I've been here.

I've been here for a few years now, and to me, it certainly hasn't seemed to change in any significant way. I think its more that people are getting bored of the same topics over and over, rather than anything about NSG changing itself.

As has been mentioned, I think partially it's that while there are a good amount of intelligent folks here, they almost exclusively reside on one side of the issues.

It seems that, essentially, you pick an issue, and the bulk of the forum population is on one side, and those that disagree do so either for:

1) religion
2) bigotry
3) uber nationalism

None of which are debatable, counterable, or arguable.

Well no, because a large chunk of the forum are arrogant hippies. Anybody who disagrees with them is accused of bigotry or called stupid because they believe in religion or are nationalists. So debate is often stifled or is so one sided the non-hippy gets bored and gives up, content in the fact that most of the real world agrees with him anyways.

That ort to liven things up, who said the forums were boring, :D

Well no, because a large chunk of the forum are arrogant hippies. Anybody who disagrees with them is accused of bigotry or called stupid because they believe in religion or are nationalists. So debate is often stifled or is so one sided the non-hippy gets bored and gives up, content in the fact that most of the real world agrees with him anyways.

That ort to liven things up, who said the forums were boring, :D

are hippies automatically anti-religion?

are hippies automatically anti-religion?

Although I think that a lot of hippies are really cool, I must admit that they tend to be into really pretentious pagan bullshit.

Well no, because a large chunk of the forum are arrogant hippies.
Damn right.
are hippies automatically anti-religion?
No. Are they anti-mainstream religion, instead concentrating in their own culture's mainstream religion? Yes.

True. Maybe hippy is too far, but hardcore liberals (students) are defiantly the majority of NSG.

I don't know...I mean, it's not like there wasn't always massive repetition. I would get involved in those repeating threads if they weren't so dull...the arguments are usually not very well made on the 'other side' to be honest. Not enough decent opposing debators anymore. Like Alien Born, for example...he and I didn't agree all the time, and when we didn't it was great...he was fantastic at debating.

Well I'm still here, it is just that there is little point in repeating the arguments, rehashing the positions and otherwise reliving the past, unless it is as some kind of new performance art. (And I'm not into performance art- just performance thank you.)


Yes I still disagree with some of your positions - both socially and politically, and I will defend my positions to the best of my ability when it appears to be worthwhile - in the sense that a decent debate will emerge. However, like yourself Sin, I am not on the boards as often as I was (RL commitments) and when I am I am often not in the mood for a long intricate debate - Maybe I'm just getting old.

It does seem that there are no newcomers to take on the mantles of the long standing debaters, and the more established ones have run the gamut of their debates and are not often drawn into rehashing them.

Thanks for compliment - yes they were good times when we disagreed and that depended, from my point of view, more on your debating skills than on mine.

Well no, because a large chunk of the forum are arrogant hippies. Anybody who disagrees with them is accused of bigotry or called stupid because they believe in religion or are nationalists. So debate is often stifled or is so one sided the non-hippy gets bored and gives up, content in the fact that most of the real world agrees with him anyways.
Horrible inaccuracies and generalisations on your part aside, this has always been the case.

When I joined with my first nation, back in 2004, the forum was much the same, except buggier and with more genuine White Nationalists. Perhaps one good thing that has changed is the lack of in-depth political and philosophical discussions; I do seem to remember the amount of threads with 'proper' debates being much greater, but maybe that's down to the ravages of time.

Or perhaps those who started the threads have left, and the rest of us are too lazy/frightened to start a discussion too often.

True. Maybe hippy is too far, but hardcore liberals (students) are defiantly the majority of NSG.

Nah. Look at the political compass graphs, the majority of us are moderate liberals, but I guess its the ones with the more extreme views who have the louder voices/are more interesting.

True. Maybe hippy is too far, but hardcore liberals (students) are defiantly the majority of NSG.
"Somewhat intelligent types who think they should be in charge of countries find and play internet game where they rule by absolute decree shocker!"

Damn right.

No. Are they anti-mainstream religion, instead concentrating in their own culture's mainstream religion? Yes.

thats what i was thinking (kind of, since there are few "hippies" on the internet)

I blame it all on me. When I came along, this place went downhill. :(

Nah. Look at the political compass graphs, the majority of us are moderate liberals, but I guess its the ones with the more extreme views who have the louder voices/are more interesting. You’ve been here longer than me, so I guess this is right.

"Somewhat intelligent types who think they should be in charge of countries find and play internet game where they rule by absolute decree shocker!" Sarcastic twat :)

I blame it all on me. When I came along, this place went downhill. :(
Get the pitchforks!

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It will never be good like it was as long as we have people who spend their time hunting down threads they can report to the mods.

Get the pitchforks!
Please don't kill me...

hmm, maybe there is a problem. The troll thread was locked at 12:11, and remains at number 4 on the list.

So there clearly isn't a lot to talk about.

hmm, maybe there is a problem. The troll thread was locked at 12:11, and remains at number 4 on the list.

So there clearly isn't a lot to talk about.
More to the point, as Ashmoria so sagely pointed out, the US election thread is all one sticky.

True. Maybe hippy is too far, but hardcore liberals (students) are defiantly the majority of NSG.

I completely agree and its funny some of the stupid things that get said by people who have no idea what they are on about (I think you and me can both agree on this especially with one thing we share)

still I must come back because who else will listen to my drunken ramblings?

:):rolleyes::eek::(:gundge::hail::cool::mp:














..



It will never be good like it was as long as we have people who spend their time hunting down threads they can report to the mods.

QFFT.

*extra F added to meet stupid 5 char. min. post requirement*

I completely agree and its funny some of the stupid things that get said by people who have no idea what they are on about (I think you and me can both agree on this especially with one thing we share)

still I must come back because who else will listen to my drunken ramblings? I’m guessing he’s being sarcastic, and if he is its quite a good example of why this place is going down hill. "You disagree so you must be an idiot, no be gone lowly peasant"

Nah. Look at the political compass graphs, the majority of us are moderate liberals, but I guess its the ones with the more extreme views who have the louder voices/are more interesting.Of course. I'm both more interesting and louder. ;)

More to the point, as Ashmoria so sagely pointed out, the US election thread is all one sticky.

im trying to be good but come the conventions im going to go back to moderation (*shudder*) and beg them to allow new election threads. this system is pretty much disallowing us from talking about US election issues.

Of course. I'm both more interesting and louder. ;)
You staying for more than a couple of days this time? http://www.reloaded.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

*edits* Replaced the 'quite rude' new :p with something cheekier and more upbeat*

all reposts are secretly original content

prove me wrong

im trying to be good but come the conventions im going to go back to moderation (*shudder*) and beg them to allow new election threads. this system is pretty much disallowing us from talking about US election issues.
Quite, it's getting buried by cut+paste spam / Heikoku_2, which makes actually debating anything pretty difficult, especially since it keeps losing pages...

im trying to be good but come the conventions im going to go back to moderation (*shudder*) and beg them to allow new election threads. this system is pretty much disallowing us from talking about US election issues.

I think the reason they do that is because they don't want to have to really moderate anything, while under the obligation to moderate a lot.

Putting everything in one thread makes it easier on them.

I think that a lot of the "devitalization" is the moderation. That, and as posted earlier in the thread, we already know where everyone stands on virtually anything worth talking about.

Quite, it's getting buried by cut+paste spam / Heikoku_2, which makes actually debating anything pretty difficult, especially since it keeps losing pages...

yupyup

the new provocative items that would get 2 pages of responses in half an hour die because no one knows they are being discussed. by the time you notice, its already buried under the "you suck, no YOU suck" posts.

Quite, it's getting buried by cut+paste spam / Heikoku_2, which makes actually debating anything pretty difficult, especially since it keeps losing pages...

I agree we need a Gorbachev-esque reform to take place (http://www.iheartchaos.com/2008/07/10/morning-music-video-gorbachev-is-a-zombie-killing-barbarian-in-this-russian-metal-video-i-heart-music/)

yupyup

the new provocative items that would get 2 pages of responses in half an hour die because no one knows they are being discussed. by the time you notice, its already buried under the "you suck, no YOU suck" posts.

I could probably post Nodinia's responses to my posts about Muslims. It's that predictable.

He could post my stuff, and answer it as well. I'm that predictable.

I think the reason they do that is because they don't want to have to really moderate anything, while under the obligation to moderate a lot.

Putting everything in one thread makes it easier on them.

I think that a lot of the "devitalization" is the moderation. That, and as posted earlier in the thread, we already know where everyone stands on virtually anything worth talking about.

i dunno. i see ardichoille put in a lot of work keeping the election thread neat and tidy.

but the rules do seem to squash too much of the fun. they always have.

I agree we need a Gorbachev-esque reform to take place (http://www.iheartchaos.com/2008/07/10/morning-music-video-gorbachev-is-a-zombie-killing-barbarian-in-this-russian-metal-video-i-heart-music/)
Damn right.

I could probably post Nodinia's responses to my posts about Muslims. It's that predictable.

He could post my stuff, and answer it as well. I'm that predictable.

oh dont even get me STARTED on the "oh look something shiny" response that far too many people have to your posts. i suppose its lively but predictable to the point of tedium.

I could probably post Nodinia's responses to my posts about Muslims. It's that predictable.

He could post my stuff, and answer it as well. I'm that predictable.
Aye it boils down to this :

Nodinia : "Muslims are cool"
You : "They're arseholes"

You guys could just post that and save miles of the internet's space.

first off, i'm staying :)

largely because there are enough people still around who i know, and like, to make it worth staying....

I'm with you. When I first started posting in here I usually had as many as 5 threads I was simultaneously involved in. Now I can't usually find more than one or two that's worthwhile.

I don't know why that is... except maybe so many topics have been done to death and those who have been around a while are just sick of repetition?

....but i agree with that totally. i just can't be arsed to get involved in a thread i've seen 'debated' to death a hundered times. it really is as simple as that for me.

and where once social/fun threads would fill the space and engage the community, at some point over-zealous anti-spam sentiment grew - both from the mods as well as posters (how many times do you need to hear "get a blog" before you stop posting something remotely social/personal?). i don't bother posting social, 'fun', or personal threads any more, as i feel they will either a) be ignored; b) get locked/moved to spam; or c) i'll be told to get a blog, or some such derisive comment, by other posters.


i still like it here, but the place has changed and it has slowed up. back in the day i'd often go to sleep one night and find a thread had grown by 20+ pages overnight. i'd be involved in half a dozen threads at the same time, jumping between them. i had to keep checking page 2 and 3 for threads i might have missed while engaged in others.

i don't have any answers, but i do love NSG, i've been here for years, i like a lot of people here, i owe it for my wonderful girlfriend, and i've had great times here over the years. and its still better than any other forum i've been a part of..... even if i do hate its new smilies ;)

Damn right.

You stand on the tank, I'll set fire to the Parliament building...

More to the point, as Ashmoria so sagely pointed out, the US election thread is all one sticky.

im trying to be good but come the conventions im going to go back to moderation (*shudder*) and beg them to allow new election threads. this system is pretty much disallowing us from talking about US election issues.

Yeah, that does seem to be killing off discussion.

I don't mind making a thread about it asking for a change if someone comes in and backs me up.

You staying for more than a couple of days this time? http://www.reloaded.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

*edits* Replaced the 'quite rude' new :p with something cheekier and more upbeat*I have an ultra short attention span lately. And NSG doesn't move as quickly as it used to. But I could continue tossing off nonsensical bullshit if you like.

I have an ultra short attention span lately. And NSG doesn't move as quickly as it used to. But I could continue tossing off nonsensical bullshit if you like.
Sounds good to me.

Yeah, that does seem to be killing off discussion.

I don't mind making a thread about it asking for a change if someone comes in and backs me up.

ill support you.


but youll need to mention that you did it. i dont like to look at moderation.

ill support you.

Well, I've made the thread, so it's over to you now. I 'm going to bed.

*nonsensical bullshit*

Thanks for compliment - yes they were good times when we disagreed and that depended, from my point of view, more on your debating skills than on mine.

*wipes away tear*

High praise indeed!

I think I'm just not angry enough anymore...even going through a divorce. I was meaner in the old days. Now I'm too mushy-headed lovey dovey. Why, I don't even know where my big black steel-toed boots have gotten to...

This isn't really true. Most of us who have been around for a while have had our minds changed on something.

It's usually not a total about-face (ie. someone who is super right-wing on economics isn't suddenly a rabid socialist), but people certainly have changed by degrees or decided that some of their positions were untenable.

I wouldn't say that. (At least, my opinions haven't changed.) But I do remember when even if an argument didn't convince me, I would still learn something from it. Too many of the debates now seem to be finding flaws in the other guy's logic: important in debating, but not very interesting to those of us browsing through a thread.

So, I guess that's my plan to revitalize NSG: threads with more informative links, more interesting book recommendations...in short, more alternatives to just NSG. :)

EDIT: I hate that smiley. :(
EDIT EDIT: That one, too.

Too many of the debates now seem to be making ad hominem attacks, but not very interesting to those of us browsing through a thread.


Fixed.

Fixed.

Well, those also. But I think my original post was just as true.

I see no problem here >.>

I like it fine, but I wasn't here until this year. I hope it doesn't die when NS2 comes out. But I'd say the biggest problem is the frequent glitches and crashes. This forum seems to have a lot of technical problems.

I feel the same as Ifreann and B&N and Intangelon and other posters of about my vintage (my join date is my real first-post join date btw) -- "it's my fault!"

But there's lots of things we haven't tried yet. The last thing we should be doing is trying to recreate the forum from our memories of "the good old days." That's just sad.

I agree with those posters who said that we lack minority opinions, particularly right-wing ones. It's all about the noobs, I think: we aren't picking up on these minority opinions and taking them seriously, demanding that low-post count posters fill out their opinions. And defeating them, of course, to the best of our abilities. Rather, we just dismiss them as "trolling" or point them to some messy old thread where their point was debated.

An experienced poster coming in incognito and trolling well is quite a joy to behold. But why in hell do well-known posters make new accounts just to post the same sort of opinions they'd post with their main account? That just creates the appearance of droves of like-minded posters, which is boring. Furthermore, genuine noobs don't get the critical attention they deserve if the first presumption is that they're an old-timer with a puppet account.

NSG is still the only forum I've even been to with a pace of posting that resembles a chatroom with a bit more permanence of record. I've tried a few other forums and nothing else comes close.

I wouldn't even consider anywhere less flowing than NSG.

That's one thing that upsets me. When NS2 comes out, this place will die... :(

That's news to me.....

are we no longer allowed to have one spam thread? is that why there is no longer one of those "paradise whatever" threads around?

I am sure one of my colleagues will correct me if I am wrong, but we didn't prohibit the social threads -- people stopped posting in them.

Well I've been using NS since 2004. (This is just a puppet)

I must admit they've gotten a lot more strict in recent years, but I still love this place. Besides, NS was invented for RP'ing. The General forum was just a run-off.

But I have to admit, I still find myself here more often than RP'ing.

Holy fucking shit, it's TIN.

Apparently NSG was awesome until 05ish. But I barely paid any attention to NSG when I was on back then, so I missed everything good. :(

Actually, more like '06ish. You just didn't pay enough attention during '05.

im trying to be good but come the conventions im going to go back to moderation (*shudder*) and beg them to allow new election threads. this system is pretty much disallowing us from talking about US election issues.

Let me remind y'all it's a system that we were begged to put into place by (collective) you ... though I think you guys have a point about it.

y'all

Urge

To Kill

Rising

Urge

To Kill

Rising

Why's that?

Why's that?

He's channeling Travis Bickle.

Why's that?

Because I have to put up with almost 100% of the population in my area saying it every fucking day, thank you very much.

I'd add the joking tongue emoticon, but WE NO LONGER HAVE IT. Gah.

Forced ignore on everyone below 1000 posts. also, we kidnap all the posters who've left for more important things and tie them to the computer where they belong, until the new people learn to mimic them reasonably.

Because I have to put up with almost 100% of the population in my area saying it every fucking day, thank you very much.

I'd add the joking tongue emoticon, but WE NO LONGER HAVE IT. Gah.

Y'all have that shit too...

Man, Yalls just as bad as we'uns are...fuck, lol:salute:

I'm to blame for NSG going downhill.4

My vote. New plan, lynch Phil.

My vote. New plan, lynch Phil.

No, we paint Phil funny colors

No, we paint Phil funny colors

er, yeah, isn't that what lynching means?

Because I have to put up with almost 100% of the population in my area saying it every fucking day, thank you very much.

I'd add the joking tongue emoticon, but WE NO LONGER HAVE IT. Gah.

Sorry, hon.

*ducks!*

Sorry, hon.

*ducks!*

I know it's short for honey, but won't that rhyme with 'on'?

I know it's short for honey, but won't that rhyme with 'on'?

Nope. Rhymes with Hun. Like Attila the.

Nope. Rhymes with Hun. Like Attila the.

What about 'hun' then?

This forum requires that you wait 30 seconds between posts. Please try again in 1 seconds.

Oh man I've missed that line.

What about 'hun' then?

That would confuse a term of endearment with a comment about being a Mongol.

That would confuse a term of endearment with a comment about being a Mongol.

:confused: What's the difference?

(and, more literally, isn't that how it sounds in RL anyways? At least here you can capitalize.)

That would confuse a term of endearment with a comment about being a Mongol.

But weren't the Huns a completely different tribe?

The trolls these days are worse than trolls in days past. Also, although NSG has always been pretty liberal it seems like there's even less conservatives here than before. There aren't many threads that don't end up having multiple "omfg wmd iraq bush = hitler genocide evil republican," the difference being that in the past they were made by TRA/MKULTRA but now they account for 50% of any given thread and are made by posters who claim to be serious.

But weren't the Huns a completely different tribe?

Depends on if your saying Mongols as in Genghis Kahn's Mongols...or Mongol as in someone from Mongolia, cause Attila's Huns were from Mongolia...

Depends on if your saying Mongols as in Genghis Kahn's Mongols...or Mongol as in someone from Mongolia, cause Attila's Huns were from Mongolia...

I'd forgotten about that.

Depends on if your saying Mongols as in Genghis Kahn's Mongols...or Mongol as in someone from Mongolia, cause Attila's Huns were from Mongolia...

Mongol is an ethnic group. Mongolian is a nationality.

*the more you know*

Mongol is an ethnic group. Mongolian is a nationality.

*the more you know*

You beat me to it. I blame my tiredness.

You beat me to it. I blame my tiredness.

I blame the Jews. Between us, lets blame Ruffy.

Has jolt always been as glitchy as it's been lately? I can't remember back that far. That's really what's killing things around here.

When you can't get on NSG for hours at a time with no warning and the smilies and the formats get all mixed up, I think that's when people aren't as forgiving as they were before.

As an example of just how glitchy, I went to post in this thread, and Jolt froze for 2.5 hours.

Not like that's frustrating or anything...:rolleyes:

i blame it on having to put all US election political comments on the election sticky thread. it keeps people from starting threads about stuff that is in the news that bunches of people are interested about.

in the summer before a US election in the past the political posting has been fast and furious. this years its dead.

THIS!

I don't mind making a thread about it asking for a change if someone comes in and backs me up.

I'll gladly hop over there...I've already made this same point in moderation, I'll be glad to do so again.

I'd add the joking tongue emoticon, but WE NO LONGER HAVE IT. Gah.

The best smiley I've ever seen on this or any other site, and it's GONE. *sobs*

NSG always sucked. You've just gotten bored of the way it sucks.

True, it was some more fun in the old days, but it was still a shitty internet forum.

There comes a point when one tires of endless abortion threads, endless whining about how biased the media is (usually done by conservatives), continual bitching and moaning about how everybody on NSG is supposedly a commie, blah blah blah pledge of allegiance, oh noez, teh 3bi1 gays are going to wreck marriage, and other arguments mainly over why we should change to a certain fairer more just way vs. why we should keep on doing the bullshit we've always done.

Of course, there are a few gems among the muck. There are still great posters, like Neo Art and the never boring Lunatic Goofballs. In the end, the few gems amid the crap combined with the entertainment value are reason for sticking around.

I blame the Jews. Between us, lets blame Ruffy.

Damn right, blame the Jews.

Its their control of the international banking system that caused me to be turned down for a moped loan, not my bankruptcy, insolvency throughout my adult life, or the repossession of my last moped.

Jews.

Okay, seriously now. On various boards we bitch about how bad NSG has gotten. There are numerous theories as to why this is, ranging from draconian mod influence, the newish PG-13 rating and shitty jolt (now OMAC) servers...to just being repeat-topicked out. (k added to maintain the hard c sound, and thus I invent a new word)

Some of us have been here for a fair number of years now. Can it really be that we need to abandon NSG? Have we squeezed from it all that it can possibly give us?

Or is there some way that this community can revitalise itself?

I know that there will be some, if not many, who argue that there's really nothing wrong, or new about any of this...that NSG is as it ever was. Fair enough, perhaps that perception is just as valid.

But for those of us who disagree...who think that NSG has lost it's 'spark'...what can we do to make this once again the exciting, and vital insane asylum it once was?I take occasional breaks when I feel like it. Overall, I think NSG needs a proper and intelligent troll to get the base to rally again. And then said troll needs to be banned to restore faith in humanity. =P

And we need to be rid of this plague of new smilies.

I've been perusing/lurking in the NS forums for several years now, and yes, it seems like their is an intangible decline. I'm not sure exactly what, but it seems like people are being forced more and more to stay on-topic, and everyone knows that discussing the actual topic is no fun when you can discuss other stuff. Furthermore, it seems like everything has been done to death, and the pointless spam threads are no fun any more. Something needs to be done. And fast.

How's about we ban everyone from before 2006, which would take out the mods, too, and then Max would have to make new ones, and all the old mods and pre-2006 posters would sneak in with puppets before the new ones figured out how to use the mod CPs to catch us, and then we'd spam 'n' troll 'n' flame in NSG 'n' dogpile in II 'n' godmode 'n' grief regions 'n' post dubious links 'n' cut'n'paste 'n' build quote pyramids 'n' play word games 'n' ...

Oh. Damn. Sorry, that was going to be April 1, 2009.

But weren't the Huns a completely different tribe?

Aw, gimme a break... it was late and I was tired! ;)

NSG went downhill when General became less of a "for discussion and debate about anything" and more "for discussion and debate about anything Political, Religious or Legal."

We had threads that talked about problems people were having in their RL, we had spammy threads, we even had several RP threads (Paradise beach club, NSG Coffee house, Rejected Royalty, etc) we had serious threads turn spammy (with mod participation) heck, we had one thread where one poster's rant about a mod decision turned into an ad hoc rp about a group of Generalites trying to infiltrate the Mod Cave. :)

Back then, General was really General. the topics flowed from one point to another, people didn't take things personally, and most of all, people HAD FUN!

Can't really blame the mods... or at least those that were around from 2006ish. They only acted when cries of "bloggish" and "Here be spam" were reported to them. but nowdays, alot of mods pre-empt those complaints and "move to spam" alot of threads that had potential of being fun.

yep. NS:G got serious and it cracked down on all the fun threads and as a result, lost alot of good, fun posters. but one thing to remember. NS:G is what it is because of the posters. if people think it's not as good as it was, you can't blame the mods or anyone else for that.

How's about we ban everyone from before 2006, which would take out the mods, too, and then Max would have to make new ones, and all the old mods and pre-2006 posters would sneak in with puppets before the new ones figured out how to use the mod CPs to catch us, and then we'd spam 'n' troll 'n' flame in NSG 'n' dogpile in II 'n' godmode 'n' grief regions 'n' post dubious links 'n' cut'n'paste 'n' build quote pyramids 'n' play word games 'n' ... oh, thanks for the heads up. *Goes to create a new nation to avoid banning*

Oh. Damn. Sorry, that was going to be April 1, 2009.
WHAT!!! :eek: how dare you get my hopes up! :soap:

NSG always sucked. You've just gotten bored of the way it sucks.

No.

I've always liked NSG, so your claim of 'suckage' being subjective, is one I reject, since my subjective reality differs.

How's about we ban everyone from before 2006, which would take out the mods, too, and then Max would have to make new ones, and all the old mods and pre-2006 posters would sneak in with puppets before the new ones figured out how to use the mod CPs to catch us, and then we'd spam 'n' troll 'n' flame in NSG 'n' dogpile in II 'n' godmode 'n' grief regions 'n' post dubious links 'n' cut'n'paste 'n' build quote pyramids 'n' play word games 'n' ...

Oh. Damn. Sorry, that was going to be April 1, 2009.

I like the way you think.

No.

I've always liked NSG, so your claim of 'suckage' being subjective, is one I reject, since my subjective reality differs.

But are all forms of sucking necessarily bad?

Let me remind y'all it's a system that we were begged to put into place by (collective) you ... though I think you guys have a point about it.

and thank you so much for both putting it in place and now removing it.

sometimes what seems to be a great idea turns out not to be.

now we know.

not that we wont wish it back again before too too long.

Can it really be that we need to abandon NSG? Have we squeezed from it all that it can possibly give us?

Nah, just do reruns. Why not dig up some threads from the Golden Years of NSG?

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7060/sixmilliondollarman1ah4.th.jpg

If we don't do something, NationStates General Forums will be as crappy as the above photoshopped picture.

"We can rebuild him. We have the technology. But I don't want to spend a lot of money!"

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7060/sixmilliondollarman1ah4.th.jpg

If we don't do something, NationStates General Forums will be as crappy as the above photoshopped picture.

any suggestions?

"We can rebuild him. We have the technology. But I don't want to spend a lot of money!"

"we can rebuild him, we have the technology, all at the lowest bidder!"

"we can rebuild him, we have the technology, all at the lowest bidder!"

"I open the Bid at 12p!"

"I open the Bid at 12p!"

7p!

Message to short! Bah humbug

Maybe we should use more colours in our messages? That might make things more exciting again...

Or post small amusing images with every post.

http://www.gaijindesign.com/lawriemalen/jedi/sithlord.jpg

"I open the Bid at 12p!"

I counter with a $100...

sorry, but that's all I can afford to pay at this time...

I counter with a $100...

sorry, but that's all I can afford to pay at this time...

Ok, I can pay you 67 pounds and 32 pence in 17 easy installments...

Maybe we need more lolcats. Or loldogs, lolgoths, lolslobs, lolbrats or lol-whatevers. The internet loves those things, so it should be all good.

any suggestions?

How about Inspector NationStates?

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/535/inspectorgadgetv1nb2.jpg

Wow. That is one rushed photoshop.

How about Inspector NationStates?

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/535/inspectorgadgetv1nb2.jpg

....


wowzers...

That's one thing that upsets me. When NS2 comes out, this place will die... :(NS2 is like our End Of Days: 1) it will bring great suffering; and 2) it's one those things, that like the Jews, we were promised that is just never fulfilled...

NS2 is like our End Of Days: 1) it will bring great suffering; and 2) it's one those things, that like the Jews, we were promised that is just never fulfilled...

I get the feeling you arent too fond of jews...

Wow. That is one rushed photoshop.

It's supposed to be. The NationStates craze calls for so many NS products that there is more quantity than quality.

So we're giving up are we?! Waiting for NS2 to arrive to send this place to forum heaven?! I say never! This old dog has fight left in it yet!

*rallies the troops*

So we're giving up are we?! Waiting for NS2 to arrive to send this place to forum heaven?! I say never! This old dog has fight left in it yet!

*rallies the troops*

*rallies own rally car* :)

*Promptly crashes*

ouch.

I get the feeling you arent too fond of jews...eh...?

eh...?

:confused: Perhaps I misread the sentence.

*Goes back for another look*

*rallies own rally car* :)

*Promptly crashes*

ouch.

That's it! We all need our own rally cars!

That's it! We all need our own rally cars!

Sorry. All I got left are these childrens peddle cars.

http://www.qualitypedalcars.com/files/1743348/uploaded/Chrome%20Racer%202.jpg

Sorry. All I got left are these childrens peddle cars.

Quiet you...We'll advertise them as rally car exercise machines...

Quiet you...We'll advertise them as rally car exercise machines...

Not a bad plan. And at least we'll dodge the congestion charge.

Not a bad plan. And at least we'll dodge the congestion charge.

I don't have a car anyway so avoid the congestion charge! Haha!

That's it! We all need our own rally cars!

I got this.
http://photocarsonline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mazda3_mps_rally_car.jpg
tho I don't know what good a pic of a rally car would do...

From the General Fossils Club thread I'm thinking that maybe we're missing the NSG Royalty. I mean we have cliques, but nothing like an aristocracy...

I don't have a car anyway so avoid the congestion charge! Haha!

Men! To war!

*Begins franticly peddling*

Quiet you...We'll advertise them as rally car exercise machines...

problem... what if they're too fat to fit inside your exercise maching?

http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/Images/thrustssc.jpg

From the General Fossils Club thread I'm thinking that maybe we're missing the NSG Royalty. I mean we have cliques, but nothing like an aristocracy...

It'll be a massacre. All the different factions going to war. Are you sure you want to start this?

NS will prevail!

It'll be a massacre. All the different factions going to war. Are you sure you want to start this?

but it might be needed to revitalise NSG!

*preps weapons*

If all else fails, I have a final solution weapon that will destroy everyone.

http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/166/166.feat.clownvhero.clown.K.jpg

It'll be a massacre. All the different factions going to war. Are you sure you want to start this?

but it might be needed to revitalise NSG!

*preps weapons*Hell yes! Let us throw off the shackles of our Swiss-esque peace and their cuckoo clocks and join in the mayhem, chaos and violence that Michaelangelo and Da Vinci flourished in! To arms comrades!

problem... what if they're too fat to fit inside your exercise maching?

No refunds.

but it might be needed to revitalise NSG!

*preps weapons*

To War!

The WMC (Weapon of Mass Clowning) is ready to deploy!

I did. And I don't know how you could have missed it :)

Edit: STUPID SMILEY! YOU SUCK!
A considerable oversight on my part. And yes.
all reposts are secretly original content

prove me wrong
gb2/r9k/
first off, i'm staying :)
:fluffle:
Actually, more like '06ish. You just didn't pay enough attention during '05.
Whatever
The WMC (Weapon of Mass Clowning) is ready to deploy!

Aka, LG.

The spamming crowd will have their fun

And hence, alas, this thread is done;

But gentles all, take it from me,

'Tis not the last in NSG.