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In many big companies, the CEO is having another nationality as the company itself. A company is trying to attract the best people for a given price. The nationality is not a key issue, it is not even a minor issue.

So why not select a foreign CEO for America?

And while we are busy, why not making it possible that the entire world can select this new CEO?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/LocationFiji.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Fiji_map.png

After all, the election of a new leader for the Fiji Islands doesn’t have a big impact for the world population. The choice of the USA CEO is another animal.

Move here and get citizenship, and you can vote.

If you get to vote in our elections, remember that we will get to vote in yours.

The president is not a CEO, he is (well, is supposed to be, at least) a representative of the people of his nation.

Move here and get citizenship, and you can vote.

If you get to vote in our elections, remember that we will get to vote in yours.

The president is not a CEO, he is (well, is supposed to be, at least) a representative of the people of his nation.

I want to vote, without being American.
If I can vote for yours, you may vote for mine. Fair is fair.

The CEO thing is just a small joke.

I want to vote, without being American.
If I can vote for yours, you may vote for mine. Fair is fair.

would you like to pay two sets of taxes as well?

I want to vote, without being American.
If I can vote for yours, you may vote for mine. Fair is fair.

But I don't want to vote for yours. It is already enough of an issue for me to vote in this country.

would you like to pay two sets of taxes as well?

Sure. But only in the condition that I don't pay taxes at all when I don't vote either. Deal ? :)

Article II of the Constitution states that a person must be 35, lived in the country for 14 years, and he must be a natural born citizen of this country. So sorry, no foreigner for President.

/thread

Just to be boring and obvious so the rest of you can be funny and clever: blah blah Unconstitutional blah Article II Section I.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

edit: Damn, beaten to it. This is also known as the "Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot be President" clause.

Article II of the Constitution states that a person must be 35, lived in the country for 14 years, and he must be a natural born citizen of this country. So sorry, no foreigner for President.

/thread

Well, it takes 2 minutes of political courage to modify it:


Article II of the Constitution states that a person must be 35, lived on the planet for 14 years, and he must be a natural born citizen of this planet

Well, it takes 2 minutes of political courage to modify it:


Article II of the Constitution states that a person must be 35, lived on the planet for 14 years, and he must be a natural born citizen of this planet

Once the US takes over the world.

Article II of the Constitution states that a person must be 35, lived on the planet for 14 years, and he must be a natural born citizen of this planet

Why are you discriminating against extraterrestrials? I thought your idea was to get the best sentient being for the job, nationality wasn't important. What if the nation in question is on Mars?

Once the US takes over the world.

You'll need better luck than you've been having with that so far.

Why are you discriminating against extraterrestrials? I thought your idea was to get the best sentient being for the job, nationality wasn't important. What if the nation in question is on Mars?

Actually, USA had bad experiences with alien presidents. So they are locked out. I'm sorry.

Once the US takes over the world.

Like in Anheuser-Busch ?

I can't begin to tell you how dumb this thread is. CEO? As if the United States was a corporation??! Someone needs some rudimentary education to learn something of the United States constitution.

I can't begin to tell you how dumb this thread is. CEO? As if the United States was a corporation??! Someone needs some rudimentary education to learn something of the United States constitution.

The average age of posters here on NSG appears to be 12 nowadays.

Hotwife is 37 years off. Thanks, though, for the kind compliment!

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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edit: Damn, beaten to it. This is also known as the "Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot be President" clause.
It isn't.
"Or" is enough - it's enough to be a naturalized citizen, and having lived for 14 years.

So a simple foreigner doesn't fit, but one who immigrated at 20 and naturalized, does by the age of 35.

It isn't.
"Or" is enough - it's enough to be a naturalized citizen, and having lived for 14 years.

So a simple foreigner doesn't fit, but one who immigrated at 20 and naturalized, does by the age of 35.

Read the statement completely, please. It states "or" you had to be a US Citizen AT THE TIME THE CONSTITUTION WAS ADOPTED.
I'm thinking that no one alive today will qualify.

I can't begin to tell you how dumb this thread is. CEO? As if the United States was a corporation??! Someone needs some rudimentary education to learn something of the United States constitution.

I could be 12 but I'm that literate that Corporate America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_America) is a phrase which is used in all kind of literature.
Also most corporations count a CEO...

Sometimes the use of metaphors is too complicated for people over 12 years old.

It isn't.
"Or" is enough - it's enough to be a naturalized citizen, and having lived for 14 years.

So a simple foreigner doesn't fit, but one who immigrated at 20 and naturalized, does by the age of 35.

No, it reads:

[quote]No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.[/quote[

You're forgetting "at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,"

You either have to be a natural born Citizen

OR

you became a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution

Read the statement completely, please. It states "or" you had to be a US Citizen AT THE TIME THE CONSTITUTION WAS ADOPTED.
I'm thinking that no one alive today will qualify.

My initial thought, too.

However, if you look at the placement of commas in the wording:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It's clearly an aside, as if the wording had been:
No person except a natural born Citizen - or a Citizen of the United States - at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It isn't.
"Or" is enough - it's enough to be a naturalized citizen, and having lived for 14 years.

So a simple foreigner doesn't fit, but one who immigrated at 20 and naturalized, does by the age of 35.

I could be 12 but I'm that literate that Corporate America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_America) is a phrase which is used in all kind of literature.
Also most corporations count a CEO...

Sometimes the use of metaphors is too complicated for people over 12 years old.

Does this thread even have a point?

Ah, right, probably so... They had that problem with the citizens at the time of adoption not being natural born.

My initial thought, too.

However, if you look at the placement of commas in the wording:


It's clearly an aside, as if the wording had been:

"at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" is an appositive clause, referencing and modifying the clause immediately preceding it.

Actually, USA had bad experiences with alien presidents. So they are locked out. I'm sorry.

I disagree. Eisenhower was clearly not of this world, and he was an OK President. Look at that giant round forehead, quite obviously a prosthetic to cover up his antennae. Plus, it would take literally superhuman patience to put up with Patton and Montgomery.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schoolradio/history/photo/media/pic33_eisenhower_gallery.jpg

edit: Damn, beaten to it. This is also known as the "Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot be President" clause.

As well as the "wait a minute! What about Mr. John 'Panamaniac' McCain" argument, which recently had life possibly breathed into it again (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html?bl&ex=1215921600&en=586df8e7d68e636f&ei=5087)...

Well, it takes 2 minutes of political courage to modify it:
Article II of the Constitution states that a person must be 35, lived on the planet for 14 years, and he must be a natural born citizen of this planet

Nope, it requires an amendment under the following guidelines

Article Five
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

The average age of posters here on NSG appears to be 12 nowadays.

Trying to figure out if that's due to the recent changes or if the recent changes are due to this...

I don't want foreigners voting in American elections, and I don't care to be involved in any foreign elections. American leaders should be chosen by the legally recognized citizens of the United States. End of story. Every country has the right to choose its own leaders, regardless how big or small it is and it is nobody else's place to choose for them, save extreme circumstances as in Iraq with Saddam Hussein. Even then we left Hussein's replacement to the Iraqi people.

Hmm... Right, it appears that McCain fails the requirement. Literally, at least.

Although, really, if US people really wanted to elect a naturalized citizen, the article would be likely amended.

I don't want foreigners voting in American elections, and I don't care to be involved in any foreign elections. American leaders should be chosen by the legally recognized citizens of the United States. End of story. Every country has the right to choose its own leaders, regardless how big or small it is and it is nobody else's place to choose for them, save extreme circumstances as in Iraq with Saddam Hussein. Even then we left Hussein's replacement to the Iraqi people.


The world is changed now. What an US president did 100 years was of little impact on the entire globe.

Present times, it's different. That guy is influencing the safety feeling, the price of food, oil and countless other factors. He's having an enormous impact on almost every citizen of this planet.

So it's just fair that we can select the guy (or girl) that would do well for me. And why should it be an American? I don't see any serious point why it should be an American.

Hmm... Right, it appears that McCain fails the requirement. Literally, at least.

Although, really, if US people really wanted to elect a naturalized citizen, the article would be likely amended.

McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone. This was considered US territory in 1936 (much like an Embassy is US territory).

Both of his parents were US Citizens. His father was posted there with the family on orders from the US Government.

Everyone I ever knew who was born on a US military base overseas to US parents was automatically considered a natural born US citizen.

Obama is a US Citizen as well, not because both of his parents were US Citizens, but because he was born on US soil (Hawaii).

The world is changed now. What an US president did 100 years was of little impact on the entire globe.

Present times, it's different. That guy is influencing the safety feeling, the price of food, oil and countless other factors. He's having an enormous impact on almost every citizen of this planet.

So it's just fair that we can select the guy (or girl) that would do well for me. And why should it be an American? I don't see any serious point why it should be an American.

It does not really matter, its not your country. You have no right to vote in the United States. End of story.

It does not really matter, its not your country. You have no right to vote in the United States. End of story.

That's not the point. I'm aware that it is currently not possible.

The issue is about a hypothetical situation in where the world can select anyone as American president.

That means that Fidel Castro could be US president.
Or the pope, Saint Nicola, Paul McCartney, Bono, the UK queen, some dude in Africa, Asia or Australia...

That's not the point. I'm aware that it is currently not possible.

The issue is about a hypothetical situation in where the world can select anyone as American president.

That means that Fidel Castro could be US president.
Or the pope, Saint Nicola, Paul McCartney, Bono, the UK queen, some dude in Africa, Asia or Australia...

Oh, I thought you were being serious.

I would not really ever go for a situation like that. Even in this hypothetical world, it still isn't right.

McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone. This was considered US territory in 1936 (much like an Embassy is US territory).
The trick there is that the law making him a citizen - and anyone born there - was passed after his birth. So there's ground for debate, since he wasn't born a US citizen.

I want to vote, without being American.

There is a thing that I tell my students when they make silly demands:
Too bad, so sad.

Really, why don't we confine all citizens to vote for their own governments --

oh wait...

Ha ha ha! The day this happens is the day hell freezes over.

Well, it takes 2 minutes of political courage to modify it:


Article II of the Constitution states that a person must be 35, lived on the planet for 14 years, and he must be a natural born citizen of this planet

*laughs*

No, really... two minutes?
Kindly study the constitution, its history, and how long it takes to make an amendment... IF it passes at all...

Next you'll be saying that the French President should be Zimbabwean, and the Belgian parliament should be filled with Americans, Italians, and Swedes.

Like in Anheuser-Busch ?

Hee, you can have that beer -- if you want to call it that. Just leave us our Clydesdales.

It isn't.
"Or" is enough - it's enough to be a naturalized citizen, and having lived for 14 years.

So a simple foreigner doesn't fit, but one who immigrated at 20 and naturalized, does by the age of 35.

Er...
Then why is it people talk of changing the Constituition so Schwartzenegger can run? He's certainly been here longer than 14 years, and I presume is a citizen (because he is governor of California).

I've always had it explained to me that they need to be natural born or, at the time of the Constitution's ratification, a naturalized citizen.

Hee, you can have that beer -- if you want to call it that. Just leave us our Clydesdales.

Yuengling!

Besides, Clydesdales were originally Scottish.

Does this thread even have a point?

No, just HK trolling, seemingly.

Yuengling!
A far superior, and Pennsylvanian, brew, I agree.
Sam Adams ain't bad, either.

As for the Clydesdales being Scottish, shush. I LIKE them.

The world is changed now. What an US president did 100 years was of little impact on the entire globe.

Present times, it's different. That guy is influencing the safety feeling, the price of food, oil and countless other factors. He's having an enormous impact on almost every citizen of this planet.

So it's just fair that we can select the guy (or girl) that would do well for me. And why should it be an American? I don't see any serious point why it should be an American.

Because he or she is the president of America, not of the world. As for the price of oil: see China, India, Venezuela, Nigeria, and OPEC nations whilst you're at it. As for food: grow more, just like we do. Or import more, just like we do.

In many big companies, the CEO is having another nationality as the company itself. A company is trying to attract the best people for a given price. The nationality is not a key issue, it is not even a minor issue.

So why not select a foreign CEO for America?

And while we are busy, why not making it possible that the entire world can select this new CEO?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/LocationFiji.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Fiji_map.png

After all, the election of a new leader for the Fiji Islands doesn’t have a big impact for the world population. The choice of the USA CEO is another animal.Because it would be impossible to amend the constiution of the United States, so as to allow non-native citizen, to become president.

I like you, Hairless Kitten. And you, are, most amusing and helpful when you post. I was lost near the coast of Viti Levu, but then I saw the completely relevant and useful map of Fiji in the OP and knew where to go. I hope that you continue to post words and punctuatives.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/rer.gif
This is a map of the Paris RER. The RER is like a subway system, the goal is to move people. Maybe you are lost there, and this will help you the way that the map of Fiji helped me.

Doesn't America have a national debt of $3 trillion or something? Yeah, you're never going to get someone to be CEO of a company $3 trillion in the hole.

Because it would be impossible to amend the constiution of the United States, so as to allow non-native citizen, to become president.
Very possible. The amendment was proposed several times, but didn't pass majority.

Doesn't America have a national debt of $3 trillion or something? Yeah, you're never going to get someone to be CEO of a company $3 trillion in the hole.

$3 trillion? Try $9+ trillion.

At the very least, our liabilities have yet to exceed our assets...

$3 trillion? Try $9+ trillion.

At the very least, our liabilities have yet to exceed our assets...

*shrugs* I don't pay much attention to economics.

I like you, Hairless Kitten. And you, are, most amusing and helpful when you post. I was lost near the coast of Viti Levu, but then I saw the completely relevant and useful map of Fiji in the OP and knew where to go. I hope that you continue to post words and punctuatives.

[IMG]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/rer.gif[IMG]

This is a map of the Paris RER. The RER is like a subway system, the goal is to move people. Maybe you are lost there, and this will help you the way that the map of Fiji helped me.

Sleep with me tonight, fiddles. Sleep with me so we can make glorious love all night long.

the only foreigner that should ever be considered for the presidency is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

the only foreigner that should ever be considered for the presidency is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I don't see why, its not like you can make up cool jokes (or not so cool jokes, as the case may be) using the word president as the root. Governor, on the other hand...

I don't see why, its not like you can make up cool jokes (or not so cool jokes, as the case may be) using the word president as the root. Governor, on the other hand...

Presidenator doesn't work? :(

I don't see why, its not like you can make up cool jokes (or not so cool jokes, as the case may be) using the word president as the root. Governor, on the other hand...

if we had a pres like arni he would hunt terrorist like he hunted predator. and we would have caught Binladen 5 minutes after 9 11

I like you, Hairless Kitten. And you, are, most amusing and helpful when you post. I was lost near the coast of Viti Levu, but then I saw the completely relevant and useful map of Fiji in the OP and knew where to go. I hope that you continue to post words and punctuatives.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/rer.gif
This is a map of the Paris RER. The RER is like a subway system, the goal is to move people. Maybe you are lost there, and this will help you the way that the map of Fiji helped me.

Since we're contributing helpful maps...

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2004/narnia/NarniaMap.gif

Just in case anybody happens to wander into Narnia. You'll be able to figure out where you are, now! :D

would you like to pay two sets of taxes as well?

The US taxes by citizenship, not by where you earn your dough. Be a US citizen livign overseas and the US cits i know around here in NZ say the IRS still wants their share, despite their not having been back to the US since they emigrated. Unless they actually got to the bother of making a formal legally binding oath in front of a US judge or ambassador renouncing citizenship they're still sent tax returns to fill out and that is ALL income, not just income earned stateside.

seems strange to me, it wasn't made in the US so why should uncle sam be wantign it. NZ tax is only on income in NZ if you are resident overseas for longer than a cutoff period, so If I go and live in canada for 10 years, and pay canadian taxes, I'm no longer resident in NZ for tax purposes. Offhand I think it's 3 months residency in NZ. so If I go work in canada for 10 months (2 months resident in NZ), only what I earn in NZ is taxed, but if I go live and work in canada for 8 months (4 months resident in NZ) then everything, inlcuding income from while I was working in canada is taxed.

Why is it that the US IRS don't do the same?

Move here and get citizenship, and you can vote.Not necessary.

I don't see why, its not like you can make up cool jokes (or not so cool jokes, as the case may be) using the word president as the root. Governor, on the other hand...

Maybe we should revoke Chuck Norris' citizenship, then elect him as president, so we can please Hairless Kitten AND restart an internet meme!

Here, too, is a map. If you're ever lost in NYC, it may save your life!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/sub1a.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/sub2a.gif?t=1216296676

What Foreigner would want the job? Even I with my evil-pinky-and-the-brain tendencies would need bribing a lot to take that job.

Well, it takes 2 minutes of political courage to modify it:


Article II of the Constitution states that a person must be 35, lived on the planet for 14 years, and he must be a natural born citizen of this planet

And there has been a long debate about the possibility to Amend the constitution to get rid of this requirement...
You know... Then you could have Terminator for President as foretold by Sylvester Stallone in "Demolition man". :D

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In many big companies, the CEO is having another nationality as the company itself. A company is trying to attract the best people for a given price. The nationality is not a key issue, it is not even a minor issue.

So why not select a foreign CEO for America?

And while we are busy, why not making it possible that the entire world can select this new CEO?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/LocationFiji.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Fiji_map.png

After all, the election of a new leader for the Fiji Islands doesn’t have a big impact for the world population. The choice of the USA CEO is another animal.

Sounds like you're a foreigner.

I'm all for it. Congress and the Whitehouse have supported outsourcing across all sectors of our economy for the past thirty odd years, so it's about time we took it too it's logical conclusion. I'm pretty sure they could all be replaced by an indian call center at a fraction of the current cost.

I'm all for it. Congress and the Whitehouse have supported outsourcing across all sectors of our economy for the past thirty odd years, so it's about time we took it too it's logical conclusion. I'm pretty sure they could all be replaced by an indian call center at a fraction of the current cost.

We'd also get to keep the same shitty service! :D