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*Sighs* Where's the French Navy when you need it?

NERVUN
15-07-2008, 00:33
Surely they could just make an imperialistic claim on these damn rocks!

Takeshima mentioned in school manual / South Korean envoy to be called back

The Yomiuri Shimbun

The territorial dispute between Japan and South Korea over the Takeshima group of islets is referred to in an education ministry manual explaining new middle school curriculum guidelines for social studies released Monday.

The government, which holds the view that the group of islets is Japanese territory, decided to mention South Korea's sovereignty claims over the islets in the manual, although the South Korean government specifically asked Japan not to mention them in the manual at all.

The guidelines will take effect in fiscal 2012.

In protest at Japan's move, the South Korean government said Monday it would temporarily call back to Seoul its ambassador to Japan, Kwon Chul Hyun.

The ministry presented the manual to officials of prefectural boards of education on Monday and explained its content.

"We are mentioning the difference of opinions over Takeshima between our country and South Korea, because we need to have students gain a deeper understanding of [the status of] our territories, just like the issues surrounding the northern territories," the manual says.

The current manual does not mention Takeshima. It is the first time such a manual has referred to the group of islets.

The current manual says teachers should encourage students to pay attention to issues concerning Japan's territories, "including the fact that the northern territories are an integral part of our country's territory, and other issues." The ministry had explained that Takeshima is included among the "other issues."

Initially, the ministry considered having the manual incorporate the phrase "Takeshima is an integral part of our country." The government's decision not to do so reflects a desire not to offend South Korea.

But Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda said mentioning Takeshima in the manual was necessary.

"Of course [students] have to understand issues surrounding our territories," Fukuda told reporters Monday night. "It's necessary for our country."

Fukuda urged South Korea to understand Japan's decision and respond calmly.

"While we're coming from different positions, we need to overcome these differences and try to understand each other more deeply," Fukuda said.

"It's a manifestation of the Japanese government's intention not to harm Japan-South Korea relations and not to make it awkward," Chief Cabinet Secretary Nobutaka Machimura said at a press conference Monday afternoon.

The manual, which fleshes out the content of the guidelines, is made by the ministry when curriculum guidelines are revised once every 10 years or so. The manual, along with the guidelines, provides the basic position of the government on certain issues and is used by publishers when they make textbooks and by teachers when they give classes.

Meanwhile in Seoul, in protest at the Japanese government's decision to mention the Takeshima islets in the manual, more than 200 people gathered in front of the Japanese Embassy. Some of the protesters threw eggs at the embassy building.
(Jul. 15, 2008)
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20080715TDY01304.htm

Background information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshima

Seriously though, this move was obviously done by the Fukuda government in the hopes that it would provide a boost to his badly flagging approval rates. The South Korean response is more of the same with the South Korean president currently in trouble and a chance to get some chest thumping going against Japan seen as a sure ratings booster.

BOTH sides can't seem to actually behave like adult nations over what amounts to two piles of rocks. So what do you guys think? Should France claim them as the first Europeans to discover them? Blow them up? What?
Hachihyaku
15-07-2008, 00:40
The French navy? Why its in the bin of course!
Blouman Empire
15-07-2008, 00:49
The article says that the ministry has made mention of South Korea's claim on the rocks, this might not be in a good light, they may be dissing the Koreans and getting children to laugh at those crazy Koreans who think they own a part of Japan.
Lunatic Goofballs
15-07-2008, 00:54
They should give them to me. I've always wanted a secret island lair. :)
Blouman Empire
15-07-2008, 00:59
They should give them to me. I've always wanted a secret island lair. :)

:confused:
You mean you don't have one already?
Glen-Rhodes
15-07-2008, 01:00
Wait.. France taking over somebody else? I thought those words couldn't come together in a sentence.

/I can't help it. It's the American in me. :P

I thought South Korea was supposed to be against censorship and all that?
Nanatsu no Tsuki
15-07-2008, 01:04
Although it seems that both nations are acting rather childishly on the subject, I think it´s one of extreme delicacy and I won´t venture to give an opinion.
USA uber alles
15-07-2008, 01:04
"Wait.. France taking over somebody else? I thought those words couldn't come together in a sentence.

/I can't help it. It's the American in me. "

The uneducated American, I guess :p
Crimean Republic
15-07-2008, 01:05
They are too busy surrendering

Have to include the new smileys :p
Lunatic Goofballs
15-07-2008, 01:06
:confused:
You mean you don't have one already?

That's a secret. ;)
CthulhuFhtagn
15-07-2008, 01:22
That's a secret. ;)

Hint: The big stone heads are actually missile silos.
The South Islands
15-07-2008, 01:28
The French navy is probably helping it's ex-colonies pound the crap out of another undeveloped African nation.

At least they have a shiny carrier.
Yootopia
15-07-2008, 03:09
Eh we British ought to take it for the lols.

"Why did you take our islands?"
"I agree, why did you take OUR islands?"
"So you'd hush up".

Incidentally, these new smilies are Bad And Wrong. :(
greed and death
15-07-2008, 03:14
the islands are good fishing grounds.
the fishing rights could have been split until it was found out that the island also have offshore oil.


historically the Korean Claim is stronger as Chinese accounts going back to the ming dynasty describe Korean fishermen using the waters. where as the Japanese do not have 3rd party mention until the 19th century.


I understand the view point of the Koreans in order to avoid confrontation it was best both sides didn't brain wash their kids to believe they were absolutely right.


Ps the islands are named Dokdo.
NERVUN
15-07-2008, 03:25
I understand the view point of the Koreans in order to avoid confrontation it was best both sides didn't brain wash their kids to believe they were absolutely right.
Which would be good, except that all the Korean school texts mention Takeshima as being Korean and only Korean.

Ps the islands are named Dokdo.
Not according to the Japanese.
Yootopia
15-07-2008, 03:27
Ps the islands are named Dokdo.
By the Koreans.

Just as the Falklands are called Las Islas Malvinas by the Argentinians. Doesn't make it the right name.
Lackadaisical2
15-07-2008, 06:00
hmm. sounds like japan doesn't have a very strong claim here. Between them giving up sovereignty over them once, and the fact that Koreans actually live there... I guess I have to lean towards the Korean side on this one.
greed and death
16-07-2008, 00:01
Which would be good, except that all the Korean school texts mention Takeshima as being Korean and only Korean.

because thats the truth.


Not according to the Japanese.
and according to the Japaneses Santa is named annual gift bringer man. in either case they are wrong.
NERVUN
16-07-2008, 00:04
because thats the truth.

and according to the Japaneses Santa is named annual gift bringer man. in either case they are wrong.
Let me guess, you're Korean, aren't you?
greed and death
16-07-2008, 00:10
Let me guess, you're Korean, aren't you?

nope Irish American. used to live in both Japan and Korea though. Koreans bring evidence of their use of the island dating back over 1000 years. The Japaneses claim but provide no evidence. the only real legal claim they get have is a shaky 19th century annexation claim during the times of unequal treaties with China and Korea.

the vast majority of neutral parties who look at both sides evidence agree the islands are Korean.
JuNii
16-07-2008, 00:17
That's a secret. ;)

it was...

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4069/456viq2.png

:D
greed and death
16-07-2008, 00:36
By the Koreans.

Just as the Falklands are called Las Islas Malvinas by the Argentinians. Doesn't make it the right name.

except the Koreans are the ones in control of in occupation of the islands. So for the same reason the world thinks Falklands is the most correct name, Dokdo is also the correct name.
Psychotic Mongooses
16-07-2008, 01:12
Just as the Falklands are called Las Islas Malvinas by the Argentinians. Doesn't make it the right name.

Sorry. What? 'Right name'?
Corporatum
16-07-2008, 01:46
Sorry. What? 'Right name'?

Apparently the one the side person is agreeing with has given.
Glorious Freedonia
16-07-2008, 04:41
Surely they could just make an imperialistic claim on these damn rocks!


http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20080715TDY01304.htm

Background information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshima

Seriously though, this move was obviously done by the Fukuda government in the hopes that it would provide a boost to his badly flagging approval rates. The South Korean response is more of the same with the South Korean president currently in trouble and a chance to get some chest thumping going against Japan seen as a sure ratings booster.

BOTH sides can't seem to actually behave like adult nations over what amounts to two piles of rocks. So what do you guys think? Should France claim them as the first Europeans to discover them? Blow them up? What?

Why cannot the two nations settle this the way that everyone else resolves disputes? I mean why cant one simply sell a quitclaim deed to the disputed islands at a fair price. Why cant an auctioneer simply auction the islands between the two countries? The highest bidder gets the land.