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WTF?! That's all I could say when I read this article.

Now, to the resident Mormons of the site, I would like to ask: do you think it was ok to excommunicate this man just because he appeared shirtless on a calendar? I mean, come on, it's not like it was a woman showing her breasts (of which I see no problem). This was a man, virile, showing his chest which most surely holds no sexual significance.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/mormon-ousted-for-shirtless-calendar/20080714074209990001

SALT LAKE CITY (July 13) - The creator of a calendar that featured shirtless Mormon missionaries was excommunicated Sunday after a disciplinary meeting with local church leaders in Las Vegas.

Chad Hardy said he bears no ill will toward the council of elders from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"I felt like I spoke my truth," the 31-year-old entertainment entrepreneur said. "Bottom-line, they still felt the calendar is inappropriate and not the image that the church wants to have."

"Men on a Mission," which has sold nearly 10,000 copies at $14.99 each, included pictures of 12 returned missionaries wearing black slacks, but not their trademark white shirts, in modest poses. The men also were photographed in traditional missionary garb and share their religious beliefs in biographical sketches.

Some of the 12 models have also been called to disciplinary meetings, but none were punished.

"I have no ill feelings toward any of those people," Hardy said of the church council. "They did what they believed was right and I really do feel it was the best decision for both of us."

Frank E. Davie, the senior leader over a group of Mormon congregations in the Las Vegas area, confirmed the 12-member council's decision in a telephone call to The Associated Press. He declined further comment.

Hardy said the purpose of the 2008 calendar was not to tear down the church or its 13 million members.

"The project is about stepping outside the stereotypes and stepping outside of the image," Hardy said. "Not everybody fits the image and I let them know we're not trying to portray an image for the entire church."

An excommunicated person is removed from official church rolls, but are still welcome at church services. Excommunicated members are prohibited from receiving the sacrament and can't perform church callings such as teaching or preaching during meetings. They also cannot enter church temples.

Any comments? (Mormons and all other NSGers alike)

We'll wait for Neo Brettonia to post and say that this sort of thing could never happen with the way that the Mormon missionary program is supervised...

Looks more than a little gay to me...

seems harsh to me.

is there a way to get de-excommunicated in the mormon church?

lol, religion.

seems harsh to me.

is there a way to get de-excommunicated in the mormon church?

I believe the Church (at least the Catholic, I don't know much about the Mormon church) would let you back into "it's bossom" if it sees you have repented or something. But I agree with you, it's kind of a harsh thing to do for a silly infraction, if at all.

Worthless without pics

http://www.foxnews.com/images/394241/3_61_shirtless1_320.jpg
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It seems like a rather ridiculous thing to be punished over, but this man seems to be very calm regarding the decision. At least it's not being turned into a media spectacle.

If I recall correctly, if you're excommunicated then you WILL burn in hell for eternity. That seems like a somewhat harsh penalty to me.

It seems like a rather ridiculous thing to be punished over, but this man seems to be very calm regarding the decision. At least it's not being turned into a media spectacle.

I gues that's because this man didn't do anything wrong. As for the media spectacle, hopefully it won't be turned into one. Then again, it perhaps should be turned into one for the sheer stupidity of it all. Perhaps we should wait until the resident Mormons get here and shed some light on this event.

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Aw thats horrible. Sorry I asked.

showing his chest which most surely holds no sexual significance.

:confused:

http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/men-on-a-mission-2.jpg

I may really dislike missionaries, but I have to admit that those are some very pretty God-salesmen.

I may really dislike missionaries, but I have to admit that those are some very pretty God-salesmen.

yeah but...like...you can't do anything with them

yeah but...like...you can't do anything with them

If they're willing to pose for pics, some of them will be willing to suck a cock.

yeah but...like...you can't do anything with them

I'd like to set them on fire.

The Mormons don't believe in caffeine but they meet in Las Vegas? :confused:

The Mormons don't believe in caffeine but they meet in Las Vegas? :confused:

when you have a free net moment, look up the relationship between mormons and the development of las vegas.

yeah but...like...you can't do anything with them

Seducing them away from God is half the fun. ;)

(BTW, check your TGs.)

Seducing them away from God is half the fun. ;)

(BTW, check your TGs.)

Neo Brettonia insists that it cannot be done.

seems harsh to me.
is there a way to get de-excommunicated in the mormon church?

I am one of those resident Mormons y'all seem to want to get info from. Yes, if you repent you can be readmitted into the church. So if this man wants to he can come back. It is up to him and his local bishop to discuss how he will go about this.

I may really dislike missionaries, but I have to admit that those are some very pretty God-salesmen.

Wow, they're way better looking than anything Hollywood has. That's some yummy looking bait. Anyone of those is welcome to try and cell religion to me.

He probably would have been better off starting a polygamist splinter sect.

I mean, far as I'm aware the FLDS membership has not been officiallt excommunicated and if that's true, what sort of message does it say? "It's okay to oppress women as chattel in your own sect, but if you dare appear shirtless on a calendar you'll burn in Hell"?

when you have a free net moment, look up the relationship between mormons and the development of las vegas.

will fa shozzle.

If they're willing to pose for pics, some of them will be willing to suck a cock.









What?

I am one of those resident Mormons y'all seem to want to get info from. Yes, if you repent you can be readmitted into the church. So if this man wants to he can come back. It is up to him and his local bishop to discuss how he will go about this.

so youre saying that he was (probably) not contrite enough at his hearing and they are (probably) going to let him stew in his excommunication for a while until he realizes the gravity of his situation and repents?

What?

You don't get it? Somebody willing to not wear a shirt in a picture is obviously one of teh ebul gayz.

You don't get it? Somebody willing to not wear a shirt in a picture is obviously one of teh ebul gayz.

This was a Mormon Calendar, not a catalogue for Abercrombie and Fitch.

You don't get it? Somebody willing to not wear a shirt in a picture is obviously one of teh ebul gayz.

Ah, it all makes sense now.

WTF?! That's all I could say when I read this article.

Now, to the resident Mormons of the site, I would like to ask: do you think it was ok to excommunicate this man just because he appeared shirtless on a calendar? I mean, come on, it's not like it was a woman showing her breasts (of which I see no problem). This was a man, virile, showing his chest which most surely holds no sexual significance.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/mormon-ousted-for-shirtless-calendar/20080714074209990001



Any comments? (Mormons and all other NSGers alike)

You're shocked? The Mormons are one of the most legalistic churches out there, they tell you what to eat, what not to eat, what to wear (down to the underwear).....etc.

The have a vast system of control and a heirarchy of prophets who tell you what God really meant to say but forgot to.

Mormons where underwear they consider magical consisting of a shirt and boxers that go to their knees. This is probably the reason for the excommunication. That and they're the people that brought us "queers are sinners", "no sex before marriage", and that we come from the planet Kolob. Joseph Smith supposedly read all this off magic gold plates out of a hat so must be true.

Mormons where underwear they consider magical consisting of a shirt and boxers that go to their knees. This is probably the reason for the excommunication. That and they're the people that brought us "queers are sinners", "no sex before marriage", and that we come from the planet Kolob. Joseph Smith supposedly read all this off magic gold plates out of a hat so must be true.

Using stone spectacles that you can't see through...

http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/men-on-a-mission-2.jpg

I may really dislike missionaries, but I have to admit that those are some very pretty God-salesmen.


Wow, that is a gay calendar.

I guess when you can't have sex you can chanel all your energy into body building

Wow, that is a gay calendar.

That's what I thought, but some here are wondering how I arrived at "if they will consent to pics, at least a few will suck a cock".

It isn't a stretch.

Wow, that is a gay calendar.

not from where *I'M* sitting!

The hormonally challenged teenage-girl part of my is screaming at me to BUY THIS GODDAMNED CALENDAR (heh) NOW!

*drools*

The hormonally challenged teenage-girl part of my is screaming at me to BUY THIS GODDAMNED CALENDAR (heh) NOW!

*drools*

Sorry, they look as gay as George Michael

Sorry, they look as gay as George Michael

So? they're still fun to look at. :D

So? they're still fun to look at. :D

The calendar probably had broader appeal without the cocksucking pics

The calendar probably had broader appeal without the cocksucking pics

:confused:

Okay, I haven't seen all of the calendar, but none of the articles I looked at about this (and I've seen about 4 today) said nothing of sex. They all just said shirtless.

The calendar probably had broader appeal without the cocksucking pics

you must have the special gay glasses, i see no cock and no sucking. just young shirtless men.

you must have the special gay glasses, i see no cock and no sucking. just young shirtless men.

He's probably horny. You know like in the cartoons when the cat gets hungry and suddenly the bird is a chicken sandwich? It's like that.

That's what I thought, but some here are wondering how I arrived at "if they will consent to pics, at least a few will suck a cock".

It isn't a stretch.

Maybe I'm crazy, but some guy posing topless doesn't seem especially gay to me.
He's probably horny. You know like in the cartoons when the cat gets hungry and suddenly the bird is a chicken sandwich? It's like that.
Cartoons can teach us so much :)

you must have the special gay glasses, i see no cock and no sucking. just young shirtless men.

indeed. so what if most are gay anyway? They're bloody HAWT!

>.>
<.<

Using stone spectacles that you can't see through...

And a translation by an angel named, fittingly, Moroni.

And a translation by an angel named, fittingly, Moroni.

I wouldn't be able to sit through a service if they said the name.

Maybe I'm crazy, but some guy posing topless doesn't seem especially gay to me.

Are you implying that straight women have sexual desires and may enjoy seeing men that they consider attractive shirtless?!

Pfft. Everybody knows that all women hate sex!!!111

indeed. so what if most are gay anyway? They're bloody HAWT!

>.>
<.<

YEAH! im just looking, im not asking them for sex. what do i care what their personal preferences might be?

Are you implying that straight women have sexual desires and may enjoy seeing men that they consider attractive shirtless?!

Pfft. Everybody knows that all women hate sex!!!111

NOOOOO its...... artistic appreciation...yeah thats it... ARTISTIC.

Are you implying that straight women have sexual desires and may enjoy seeing men that they consider attractive shirtless?!

Pfft. Everybody knows that all women hate sex!!!111

Perish the thought. But women have been known to pretend they like sex, and buying a calender like this would be the perfect cover. 'Of course I like sex, look at that sexy calender I bought!'

I think this is pretty damn harsh. This is why I am don't believe in any Church having spiritual authority. I see it as an insult to God for a human institution to say "If you don't do what we say, you'll go to hell". In my opinion, it seems like the Chruch claiming some sort of sway over God's decisions.

Non-Denominational Christianity FTW.

YEAH! im just looking, im not asking them for sex. what do i care what their personal preferences might be?

My thoughts exactly.

And how exactly does posing for a shirtless calendar make someone gay? Women post nearly nude for magazines, nothing is said of their sexual orientation. Men do it, and suddenly OMG! Dey haz teh GHEYz0rz!1!1 Are calendars only for men, or something?

wasn't wearing his magic underwear. *nods*

My thoughts exactly.

And how exactly does posing for a shirtless calendar make someone gay? Women post nearly nude for magazines, nothing is said of their sexual orientation. Men do it, and suddenly OMG! Dey haz teh GHEYz0rz!1!1 Are calendars only for men, or something?

Yes. I'd say over 90% of Pr0n is for men. No one cares to find out what women want.

Too bad, really. "Be a Mormon, we're so handsome!" is a pretty good advertising campaign for the religion.

Where the heck is Neo B when you really need him?!:mad:

Yes. I'd say over 90% of Pr0n is for men. No one cares to find out what women want.

My research has lead me to conclude that women want very large(usually black) phalluses and to have their faces covered in ejaculate from them.

My thoughts exactly.

And how exactly does posing for a shirtless calendar make someone gay? Women post nearly nude for magazines, nothing is said of their sexual orientation. Men do it, and suddenly OMG! Dey haz teh GHEYz0rz!1!1 Are calendars only for men, or something?

Isn't it strange that Playgirl, a magazine supposedly for women, is primarily purchased by men. It also appears that calendars like this are also purchased primarily be men. Although, if I find it on sale somewhere, I will certainly buy it, I may be old, but I'm not dead.

Where the heck is Neo B when you really need him?!:mad:

TG him. If he actually comes here it'll just turn into a huge shitfest between him and DK.

My research has lead me to conclude that women want very large(usually black) phalluses and to have their faces covered in ejaculate from them.
No. All men want to have their own large black phallus so that they may cover a womans face in ejaculate from it.

Yes. I'd say over 90% of Pr0n is for men. No one cares to find out what women want.

So calendars are only for men? Women can't/don't use calendars at all?

My thoughts exactly.

And how exactly does posing for a shirtless calendar make someone gay? Women post nearly nude for magazines, nothing is said of their sexual orientation. Men do it, and suddenly OMG! Dey haz teh GHEYz0rz!1!1 Are calendars only for men, or something?

it seems that provocative photos are categorized by what kind of MAN might want to masturbate to them. that makes this a gay calendar no matter how many women ejoy the pics and buy the calendar.

I...really don't see why this guy was punished. He should have been promoted for a brilliant marketing scheme.

This reminds me of something a recruiter once told me.

"Whenever I recruit pretty girls, they always get assigned to a recruiter. When young men see pretty girls in uniform, they think 'wow, look at what the army has! Where can I sign?'. We use everything we have to recruit."

Same sort of thing. I'm secure enough in my masculinity to acknowledge that the missionaries in this calender are very attractive men, and if you are trying to convert people and you show them those pictures, it could certainly have a positive effect. Use every weapon in your arsenal, be it shirtless men or women in uniform.

And why is it that if a man poses shirtless he's gay, but if a woman does she isn't a lesbian? Ridiculous...

TG him. If he actually comes here it'll just turn into a huge shitfest between him and DK.

Damn. I don't want a shitfest between those two.:( Therefore I won't TG Neo B.

So calendars are only for men? Women can't/don't use calendars at all?

People who want to sell sexy calendars make them for straight or gay men because they assume women don't want to buy porn.

Isn't it strange that Playgirl, a magazine supposedly for women, is primarily purchased by men.

i think they tried to appeal to women in the beginning--remember the burt reynolds centerfold?-- but you get much better sales out of closeted gay men.

People who want to sell sexy calendars make them for straight or gay men because they assume women don't want to buy porn.

This.

i think they tried to appeal to women in the beginning--remember the burt reynolds centerfold?-- but you get much better sales out of closeted gay men.

I thought Reynolds was in Cosmo. Or was he in both?

No. All men want to have their own large black phallus so that they may cover a womans face in ejaculate from it.
Well you've just rocked my world the the very foundations.
Damn. I don't want a shitfest between those two.:( Therefore I won't TG Neo B.
The idea was to TG him, get his input, and then flee the thread.
This.

So if one appears in a calender that a gay man would find appealing, one is likely gay? Pretty flimsy, IMO.

I thought Reynolds was in Cosmo. Or was he in both?

oh yeah it was cosmo.

well cosmo isnt gay.

maybe playgirl has always been gay then.

The idea was to TG him, get his input, and then flee the thread.

Iffy, I'm not one to flee the threads I start. In any case, I don't want a pissing match between Neo B and DK. Piss is acid, it perhaps corrodes, I don't want my thread to rust and be locked by a hammie-swinging mod.

Anywho, I truly think the Mormon church was too strict and dramatic. This man just appeared shirtless on a calendar. No biggie.

Iffy, I'm not one to flee the threads I start. In any case, I don't want a pissing match between Neo B and DK. Piss is acid, it perhaps corrodes, I don't want my thread to rust and be locked by a hammie-swinging mod.

Anywho, I truly think the Mormon church was too strict and dramatic. This man just appeared shirtless on a calendar. No biggie.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match.

I just want to see him post, once again, that it's impossible to get this sort of behavior out of Mormon missionaries, due to the intense oversight, supervision, and daily schedule they have.

As we see, it's not impossible.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match.

I just want to see him post, once again, that it's impossible to get this sort of behavior out of Mormon missionaries, due to the intense oversight, supervision, and daily schedule they have.

As we see, it's not impossible.

Em... are you DK? Sorry, had to ask. <_<

As for what you just posted, true, it is indeed possible to committ mistakes or get this sort of behaviour, even if you're a Mormon.

Didn't saints sinned too?

Em... are you DK? Sorry, had to ask. <_<

As for what you just posted, true, it is indeed possible to committ mistakes or get this sort of behaviour, even if you're a Mormon.

Didn't saints sinned too?

Everyone but you already knew that within a week of me posting with this name.

Yes, even the saints sinned. But Neo thinks that somehow, it's not possible to get some missionaries alone and talk to them, and have them do something against their faith (like taking off the sacred shirt, for one thing, and for listening to someone try and convince them that their faith is wrong for another).

To him, it's just not possible. Ever.

Too bad, really. "Be a Mormon, we're so handsome!" is a pretty good advertising campaign for the religion.

Well, one has to admit, that a lot of Mormon dudes are really good looking. At least the ones I've seen here in Spain. So, if the Mormon church creates a holy pr0n industry, count me in as a costumer.:D

Everyone but you already knew that within a week of me posting with this name.

I don't pay attention to that sort of things. Besides, it's not like I know you enough or post enough to your posts to recognize your style.

Yes, even the saints sinned. But Neo thinks that somehow, it's not possible to get some missionaries alone and talk to them, and have them do something against their faith (like taking off the sacred shirt, for one thing, and for listening to someone try and convince them that their faith is wrong for another).

To him, it's just not possible. Ever.

It seems that way. I don't always agree with him, but I would like to debate this with Neo B himself. Remember, he's not here to defend his point.;)

Mormons where underwear they consider magical consisting of a shirt and boxers that go to their knees.

Yet another reason why Sikhs are cooler than Mormons. Underwear + Sword + Bracelet beats boring old Underwear + Shirt.

These guys could be the new ad campaign for Balla Powder.


http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000EMDCLS/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Are you implying that straight women have sexual desires and may enjoy seeing men that they consider attractive shirtless?!

Pfft. Everybody knows that all women hate sex!!!111

But I thought mens' chests were totally and completely non-sexual. They don't have boobies, so they can't be sexual, right?

Yet another reason why Sikhs are cooler than Mormons. Underwear + Sword + Bracelet beats boring old Underwear + Shirt.

I like the Sufis. I would love to spin like them and those outfits! I wanna spin like them!!

So if one appears in a calender that a gay man would find appealing, one is likely gay? Pretty flimsy, IMO.

Indeed. Straight men sometimes dance at stripclubs mostly frequented by gay men (they apparently tip better than women). If that's true, I'm pretty sure straight men could pose for a picture that gay men would drool over.


Yes, even the saints sinned. But Neo thinks that somehow, it's not possible to get some missionaries alone and talk to them, and have them do something against their faith (like taking off the sacred shirt, for one thing, and for listening to someone try and convince them that their faith is wrong for another).

To him, it's just not possible. Ever.

And you know this.....because you're in his head?

Are you now going to tell us you're a Mormon mind reader as well?

And you know this.....because you're in his head?

Are you now going to tell us you're a Mormon mind reader as well?

No, because he's argued that point before.

I was raised LDS. My father is a high priest.

The calendar is of RETURNED missionaries, not so much under the same rules and restrictions of missionaries in the field.

Also, I think it was more a man taking the name of the church and explioting the reputation that is above par in a mildly sexual manner that the community finds acceptable, but the appearance of it is not. And making money off of the name of the church seen in an explicit manner is where the issue lies.

Yes, he can come back after repentance, and its not like the Amish shunnings. He can still attend church.

No, because he's argued that point before.

He's argued that a Mormon missionary cannot possibly be tempted or do something outside their faith?

I highly doubt that. Can you link it?

So if one appears in a calender that a gay man would find appealing, one is likely gay? Pretty flimsy, IMO.

Well, if you have a calender there will presumably be at least 12 men. 10% of the population are gay. Therefore one of them probably would be. However since these guys are religious they are most likely closeted and therefore less likely to suck cock.

So calendars are only for men? Women can't/don't use calendars at all?

Didn't Dwight Schrute tell you? We have our own.

/snip This man just appeared shirtless on a calendar. No biggie.

He didn't appear shirtless, he created the calendar in which others appeared shirtless. He was promoting shirtlessness. And, according to dem Mormons, sin.

What?

ditto.

Wow, that is a gay calendar.

That's what I thought, but some here are wondering how I arrived at "if they will consent to pics, at least a few will suck a cock".

It isn't a stretch.

It isn't? So because they are male and have shirtless pictures, they are gay? Or is it because they're in a calendar? I'm truly confused as to how being on a calendar makes one potentially gay.


Also, it isn't a "gay" calendar, nor a "straight" or "bisexual" calendar. It's a friggin calendar.

Also, it isn't a "gay" calendar, nor a "straight" or "bisexual" calendar. It's a friggin calendar.

Don't be silly. That calendar is clearly a huge fan of sex with calendars of its own gender. I'm not sure what gender that is - I'm afraid I don't even know what calendar genitals look like - but that calendar is totally into some hot calendar-on-calendar action with other calendars bearing its genitals.

It isn't? So because they are male and have shirtless pictures, they are gay? Or is it because they're in a calendar? I'm truly confused as to how being on a calendar makes one potentially gay.


Also, it isn't a "gay" calendar, nor a "straight" or "bisexual" calendar. It's a friggin calendar.

They're shirtless, toned and in modeling poses. that makes it gay, or straight if you're a woman...I guess...

Don't be silly. That calendar is clearly a huge fan of sex with calendars of its own gender. I'm not sure what gender that is - I'm afraid I don't even know what calendar genitals look like - but that calendar is totally into some hot calendar-on-calendar action with other calendars bearing its genitals.

*wonders if it is always that time of the month for calendars*

I think this is pretty damn harsh. This is why I am don't believe in any Church having spiritual authority. I see it as an insult to God for a human institution to say "If you don't do what we say, you'll go to hell". In my opinion, it seems like the Chruch claiming some sort of sway over God's decisions.

Non-Denominational Christianity FTW.

More like for the phail. It's the most annoying kind.

Since Mormons are showing themselves as thin-skinned and intolerant, clearly we need to protect freedom of expression by baiting them more.

Like say with a free public viewing of Orgasmo in front of the Tabernacle.

(And yes, this is satire.)

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000EMDCLS/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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Sounds like he got a reward to me.

I may really dislike missionaries, but I have to admit that those are some very pretty God-salesmen.
Well, this guy looks great; I'm quite fit, and can be proud of my looks, but still I'd like to look like that.
http://www.foxnews.com/images/394241/3_61_shirtless1_320.jpg The pic above is good and fully straight.



But these (on the right) - these look gay beyond redemption. Their looks, their gay poses - you put them on calendars for gays, not for women.
http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/men-on-a-mission-2.jpg

But these (on the right) - these look gay beyond redemption. Their looks, their gay poses - you put them on calendars for gays, not for women.

...which is why so many female posters in this thread have commented on their attractiveness, obviously.

Well, this guy looks great; I'm quite fit, and can be proud of my looks, but still I'd like to look like that.
The pic above is good and fully straight.



But these (on the right) - these look gay beyond redemption. Their looks, their gay poses - you put them on calendars for gays, not for women.

and what would STRAIGHT poses look like?

shirtless man taking out the trash?

and what would STRAIGHT poses look like?

shirtless man taking out the trash?

Maybe shirtless men holding up large signs that said, "I LIKE BOOBIES"?

Maybe shirtless men holding up large signs that said, "I LIKE BOOBIES"?

lol

that would be convincing

He didn't appear shirtless, he created the calendar in which others appeared shirtless. He was promoting shirtlessness. And, according to dem Mormons, sin.

No biggie, either way. The Mormon should just lighten up.

http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/men-on-a-mission-2.jpg

I may really dislike missionaries, but I have to admit that those are some very pretty God-salesmen.

"Modest" poses?

Also, is it a condition of being a missionary that you must wax and oil your chest?

I don't pay attention to that sort of things. Besides, it's not like I know you enough or post enough to your posts to recognize your style.

In the future then I suppose the tip-off will be unexplainable levels of hostility and self-importance when replying to a simple inquiry. That should keep you unconfused.

I tell you what, there is something in Mormon sacraments, or water or something, because those boys are HAWT! If only I could give up caffeine, alcohol, and you know, fun:p

In the future then I suppose the tip-off will be unexplainable levels of hostility and self-importance when replying to a simple inquiry. That should keep you unconfused.

I´ll keep my eyes open for those tell-tale signs from now on.:salute:

Yes. I'd say over 90% of Pr0n is for men. No one cares to find out what women want.

I'm guessing that over 90% of porn consumers are men. I bet this holds for prostitution and strippers as well. If more women bought porn then more porn would meet the tastes of women.

I'm sorry, but this all looks like a bunch of BS to me. Those so-called "Mormons" don't look like any of the Mormons I see wandering around Massachusetts. There is no way the pasty, white, worm-boys I see in real life have got those 6-, 8-, and 12-packs hidden under their chaste white shirts with the name-tags on.

*Compares beefcake calendar to disappointing reality*

Nope, I don't believe it.

I doubt these are typical Mormon Missionaries.

I doubt these are typical Mormon Missionaries.


Not the typical missionary, no. They are...

SEXY MISSIONARIES!!!!

Where the heck is Neo B when you really need him?!:mad:

Dagnabbit there's finally a really relevant thread I can play in and this is the day I hardly touch my computer 'cause I spent it hanging out with my older son. *Sigh* such timing I have...

TG him. If he actually comes here it'll just turn into a huge shitfest between him and DK.

No it won't. If he says something to me that's actually worth replying to then I'll answer but so far nothing on this thread has qualified.

As for the subject at hand... I'm not privy to exactly what went on during that Disciplinary Council or precisely what the issues were, so I could only guess that the issue probably has something to do with presenting missionaries in an erotic context. (Which it plainly is, judging from the reactions of a bunch of posters in this thread ;) ) This is a bad thing because missionaries are supposed to be the epitome of spirituality and their image is important to their work.

I'm kinda surprised that they went so far as to excommunicate him, but again I wasn't in on that meeting so there could well be issues going on here that we aren't aware of. And as has been noted before if he wasn't contrite about it, his attitude may have made things worse.

In any case, being excommunicated from the LDS church isn't the end. It's meant to be disciplinary, not final, and this guy could certainly be restored to full fellowship in time, should he choose to do so.

I'm sorry, but this all looks like a bunch of BS to me. Those so-called "Mormons" don't look like any of the Mormons I see wandering around Massachusetts. There is no way the pasty, white, worm-boys I see in real life have got those 6-, 8-, and 12-packs hidden under their chaste white shirts with the name-tags on.

*Compares beefcake calendar to disappointing reality*

Nope, I don't believe it.

I've seen it in real life. Mormon boys are hot Hot HOT!!! Makes me wanna convert them. I think they genetically engineer their young to make them irresistible to get converts. No other way so many hot boys are in one crazy religious cult altogether.

I've seen it in real life. Mormon boys are hot Hot HOT!!! Makes me wanna convert them. I think they genetically engineer their young to make them irresistible to get converts. No other way so many hot boys are in one crazy religious cult altogether.
You can have them. They look like space aliens to me. I mean the little grayish ones with the big lightbulb heads, not the sexy kind.

I'm sorry, but this all looks like a bunch of BS to me. Those so-called "Mormons" don't look like any of the Mormons I see wandering around Massachusetts. There is no way the pasty, white, worm-boys I see in real life have got those 6-, 8-, and 12-packs hidden under their chaste white shirts with the name-tags on.

I don't think you're talking about Mormons, I think you're just talking about guys from Massachusetts. :D

You can have them. They look like space aliens to me. I mean the little grayish ones with the big lightbulb heads, not the sexy kind.

maybe the ones you know...

Well, this guy looks great; I'm quite fit, and can be proud of my looks, but still I'd like to look like that.
The pic above is good and fully straight.



But these (on the right) - these look gay beyond redemption. Their looks, their gay poses - you put them on calendars for gays, not for women.
What makes a pose "gay", as opposed to "seductive" or perhaps "enticing"
and what would STRAIGHT poses look like?

shirtless man taking out the trash?

Fixing a car, covered in motor oil?


Oh wait...

"Modest" poses?

Also, is it a condition of being a missionary that you must wax and oil your chest?
I could pick out four which may not be modest (two with their hand on their waistband, two with a hand close to their crotch). The rest are pretty definatly clear, and even those four are pretty modest.

I'm guessing that over 90% of porn consumers are men. I bet this holds for prostitution and strippers as well. If more women bought porn then more porn would meet the tastes of women.
you appearently don't know the right women.
I'm sorry, but this all looks like a bunch of BS to me. Those so-called "Mormons" don't look like any of the Mormons I see wandering around Massachusetts. There is no way the pasty, white, worm-boys I see in real life have got those 6-, 8-, and 12-packs hidden under their chaste white shirts with the name-tags on.

*Compares beefcake calendar to disappointing reality*

Nope, I don't believe it.

Hit up Harvard Square.

I don't think you're talking about Mormons, I think you're just talking about guys from Massachusetts. :D
*kneecaps*

SOME of us are doing just fine, thank you.

I could pick out four which may not be modest (two with their hand on their waistband, two with a hand close to their crotch). The rest are pretty definatly clear, and even those four are pretty modest.

I didn't meant to say they were all erotic, just that they weren't exactly... I guess what my idea of a "modest" pose by a missionary would be (not something I've ever devoted time to thinking about before). When the article said "modest poses" I guess I assumed they were pictures of, like, young missionaries without shirts planting gardens or building houses or something.

*kneecaps*

SOME of us are doing just fine, thank you.

:eek: Man, try to defend one group of white guys and you get kneed by another!

I'm just saying, maybe a little pasty compared to California guys? Some women like pasty! I don't judge! ...I'm just gonna go while I'm only 3 feet under.

I didn't meant to say they were all erotic, just that they weren't exactly... I guess what my idea of a "modest" pose by a missionary would be (not something I've ever devoted time to thinking about before). When the article said "modest poses" I guess I assumed they were pictures of, like, young missionaries without shirts planting gardens or building houses or something.
Ahh...okay, gotcha. Then again, my friend who was raised mormon was also one of the first legal gay marriages in California, so I guess I'm not as surprised as most.
:eek: Man, try to defend one group of white guys and you get kneed by another!

I'm just saying, maybe a little pasty compared to California guys? Some women like pasty! I don't judge! ...I'm just gonna go while I'm only 3 feet under.haha....we aren't ALL pasty, despite the prevalence of Irish blood.

Dagnabbit there's finally a really relevant thread I can play in and this is the day I hardly touch my computer 'cause I spent it hanging out with my older son. *Sigh* such timing I have...

It happens.

I have a question though, if you come back to the thread.

Is being seen in public topless a problem for men of the Mormon faith? I know this is more than just that - some of the poses are meant to be provocative, I think, but would simply being topless be an issue?

It happens.

I have a question though, if you come back to the thread.

Is being seen in public topless a problem for men of the Mormon faith? I know this is more than just that - some of the poses are meant to be provocative, I think, but would simply being topless be an issue?

Not as a matter of modesty as far as I know, but not wearing a shirt means not wearing the undergarment. Since every church member who has been through the Temple is expected to wear it at all times, that's a problem. *ALL* Missionaries have been through the temple so the way they're posed in this calendar, by definition, go against that.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/394241/3_61_shirtless1_320.jpg
There

Creepy eyes.

If they're willing to pose for pics, some of them will be willing to suck a cock.

And you know this because....? :confused:

And you know this because....? :confused:

It's already a major step for them to take off the sacred shirt and pose for a calendar like this. For people who live such an uptight lifestyle, falling off = falling off all the way.

My research has lead me to conclude that women want very large(usually black) phalluses and to have their faces covered in ejaculate from them.

EW!
To translate:
NOT!!!

EW!
To translate:
NOT!!!

Well, of course not you, Kat.

I thought Reynolds was in Cosmo. Or was he in both?

http://www.cinematical.com/2005/07/18/vintage-image-of-the-day-the-burt-reynolds-centerfold/

Naw, women don't buy porn....
http://www.magazinesubscriptions.ws/shop/pid40146/playgirl-magazine.html

http://www.cinematical.com/2005/07/18/vintage-image-of-the-day-the-burt-reynolds-centerfold/

Naw, women don't buy porn....
http://www.magazinesubscriptions.ws/shop/pid40146/playgirl-magazine.html

**eyes Kat's enormous stack of magazines suspiciously**

They're shirtless, toned and in modeling poses. that makes it gay, or straight if you're a woman...I guess...

Or makes someone who makes such a pronouncement just a wee bit too interested in the sexuality of the men depicted therein.

**eyes Kat's enormous stack of magazines suspiciously**

Actually, funny enough, the guys I hung with in college had no problem passing around Playboy while I and another girl friend of mine were there (they were DRAWING.... they needed MODELS, of course)... so I brought over a Playgirl.

My female friend was disgusted, one of the guys who had been the biggest fans of Playboy flipped out and told me to put it away, he didn't want to see that kind of stuff, and a third male friend of mine flipped open to the centerfold and said, "Man of the Year? why isn't THIS guy (flipping to a picture from the Letters page) man of the year?"

:D

Not as a matter of modesty as far as I know, but not wearing a shirt means not wearing the undergarment. Since every church member who has been through the Temple is expected to wear it at all times, that's a problem. *ALL* Missionaries have been through the temple so the way they're posed in this calendar, by definition, go against that.

To me, undergarments are a bra/panties on a woman or boxers/briefs in the case of a man. Shirts, in my case, are not considered undergarments. This is a precept of the Mormon church that kinda confuses me. Mind explaining a bit more about this?

It also makes me wonder what, if anything, happened to the models that were photographed.

Hey Nanatsu, I've been posting! See? :D

It also makes me wonder what, if anything, happened to the models that were photographed.

Hey Nanatsu, I've been posting! See? :D

Hey, I see you!:D
Now, answer my post!

To me, undergarments are a bra/panties on a woman or boxers/briefs in the case of a man. Shirts, in my case, are not considered undergarments. This is a precept of the Mormon church that kinda confuses me. Mind explaining a bit more about this?

Sure. I won't go into too much detail because these issues are considered very sacred to us but I'll tell you this much:

You know how priests or reverends from most Christian churches wear all black with the little white square collar thingy? That's there as an outward sign of who he is and what he's about.

For us it's different. We wear ours underneath our clothing as a tactile reminder to us of who we are and the covenants we made in the Temple. For a historical similarity you can look at the Knights Templar, who wore a lambskin undergarment under their clothes at all times as a reminder to them of their vows.

Since 3 layers of clothing would be rather uncomfortable, these undergarments double as regular underclothing. (I find them to be more comfortable than regular underwear.)

Hey, I see you!:D
Now, answer my post!

Hah! Just did! :p

Sure. I won't go into too much detail because these issues are considered very sacred to us but I'll tell you this much:

You know how priests or reverends from most Christian churches wear all black with the little white square collar thingy? That's there as an outward sign of who he is and what he's about.

For us it's different. We wear ours underneath our clothing as a tactile reminder to us of who we are and the covenants we made in the Temple. For a historical similarity you can look at the Knights Templar, who wore a lambskin undergarment under their clothes at all times as a reminder to them of their vows.

Since 3 layers of clothing would be rather uncomfortable, these undergarments double as regular underclothing. (I find them to be more comfortable than regular underwear.)

Ok, I think I do understand now. The shirt or undergarment is a symbol of your religious covenant.

Ok, I think I do understand now. The shirt or undergarment is a symbol of your religious covenant.

Yeah, basically... That's a good way to put it.

(Not just a shirt. top and bottom.)

Yeah, basically... That's a good way to put it.

(Not just a shirt. top and bottom.)

Gotcha!
But let me just tell you, and I know you're probably gonna scold me, but those Mormon missionaries look smokin' HAWT!!:p

Gotcha!
But let me just tell you, and I know you're probably gonna scold me, but those Mormon missionaries look smokin' HAWT!!:p

LOL Why would I scold you for that? Looks to me like they're supposed to in that calendar ;)

My son plans to go on his mission when he's 19. (He's 15 now) I better tell him to watch out for photographers or he'll be swamped by the ladies...

...hmm... maybe it would be better if I DON'T tell him that :D

LOL Why would I scold you for that? Looks to me like they're supposed to in that calendar ;)

My son plans to go on his mission when he's 19. (He's 15 now) I better tell him to watch out for photographers or he'll be swamped by the ladies...

...hmm... maybe it would be better if I DON'T tell him that :D

By the by, I met a group of the Mormon church today and they gave me "The Book of Mormon" (oooh, pretty paintings inside!) and a DVD called "To This End Was I Born".;)

By the by, I met a group of the Mormon church today and they gave me "The Book of Mormon" (oooh, pretty paintings inside!) and a DVD called "To This End Was I Born".;)

Wow that's way cool. Let me know how the video is. I haven't seen that one ;)

Wow that's way cool. Let me know how the video is. I haven't seen that one ;)

Sure thing.;)

Sure thing.;)

I'll also expect a full and comprehensive report, including a summary and conclusion page. It must be double spaced and a minimum of 1500 words :D

*hides*

I'll also expect a full and comprehensive report, including a summary and conclusion page. It must be double spaced and a minimum of 1500 words :D

*hides*

*takes out her hatchet and looks at Neo B with blood in her eyes*
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/HyperTails654/Higurashi%20gifs/IMG_021789.gif

*takes out her hatchet and looks at Neo B with blood in her eyes*


err... well... I suppose on this occasion we can waive the report... :D

with blood in her eyes*


You might want to see a doctor about that.

err... well... I suppose on this occasion we can waive the report... :D

Glad we could negotiate.

You might want to see a doctor about that.

<.<
I did. Apparently, it's stress related...

Yet another reason why Sikhs are cooler than Mormons. Underwear + Sword + Bracelet beats boring old Underwear + Shirt.

And don't forget the turban! Way cool!

http://www.cinematical.com/2005/07/18/vintage-image-of-the-day-the-burt-reynolds-centerfold/

Naw, women don't buy porn....
http://www.magazinesubscriptions.ws/shop/pid40146/playgirl-magazine.html

Thanks for the reminder. I don't remember him being quite that ... hairy.

<.<
I did. Apparently, it's stress related...

But apparently curable by issuing a savage beating :)

But apparently curable by issuing a savage beating :)

Then bring it, beyotch!




J/K.;)

Not as a matter of modesty as far as I know, but not wearing a shirt means not wearing the undergarment. Since every church member who has been through the Temple is expected to wear it at all times, that's a problem. *ALL* Missionaries have been through the temple so the way they're posed in this calendar, by definition, go against that.

Is this link incorrect? It seems to state that they can be removed for certain activities or when the wearer deems appropriate:

http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_undergarments

But apparently curable by issuing a savage beating :)

Isn't that how stress always works?

Then bring it, beyotch!

J/K.;)

Actually I meant it as YOU would issue the beating, but since it's like THAT I obviously have no other choice but to run away screaming...

Is this link incorrect? It seems to state that they can be removed for certain activities or when the wearer deems appropriate:

http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_undergarments

Yeah that link is correct, but I'd probably fix it to point out that the garments are removed when necessary, not just because the wearer doesn't feel like wearing it. Swimming, bathing, and some sports might make it necessary to remove it so that it isn't visible. (Like with a basketball jersey, for example.) But someone goes to decide whether or not to remove it, the decision is based on necessity.

Applying that to this calendar, I'd guess that the Disciplinary Council probably felt that taking it off (along with the shirt) to take photos of this nature was inappropriate.

Although I'd also gather that the immodesty of the pics had more to do with it than the removal of the garment itself. Like I said I can only guess, as I wasn't there ;)

Isn't that how stress always works?

Yeah, now that you mention it...

And you know this because....? :confused:
Gaydar.
EW!
To translate:
NOT!!!

I'll take you off my mailing list then.

Gaydar.


Ah, yes, the heterosexual male's version of feminine intuition. I have something similar called "radar." It allows me to detect people named Ray.

Actually I meant it as YOU would issue the beating, but since it's like THAT I obviously have no other choice but to run away screaming...

Come here, you coward! Face me! Take off your undergarment and fight me.

LOL!:D

Come here, you coward! Face me! Take off your undergarment and fight me.

LOL!:D

:eek:

Exactly what sort of fight would this be?

Should I bring toys?

:eek:

Exactly what sort of fight would this be?

Should I bring toys?

LOL!:D
Yes, bring toys. Bring your pokémans!

Charmander, I choose you!



I think this thread has completely careened off it's track...

LOL!:D
Yes, bring toys. Bring your pokémans!

Charmander, I choose you!



I think this thread has completely careened off it's track...

Yah I'm gonna have to agree there.

Wow, closing on two hundred posts and not a single "missionary position" joke. I'm impressed.

Naw, women don't buy porn....
http://www.magazinesubscriptions.ws/shop/pid40146/playgirl-magazine.html

" Customers who bought this product also purchased...
[...]
Farm & Ranch Living Magazine"

I don't think you're talking about Mormons, I think you're just talking about guys from Massachusetts. :D
I've seen plenty of hot guys in Massachusetts. But I've also seen plenty of tourists, so they might not be locals. :(

If it were the undergarments itself that were the problem, then the models would also have been disciplined. I'd suspect it's more that while the Church has no problem with associating itself with healthy, good-looking young men (not like that, like "We PROMOTE the development of healthy, good-looking men and women through our combination of healthy and Godly living"), it doesn't like its name being used to promote overt licentiousness, and the posts on this thread kind of bear out that point. Most of the posting has been about how hot and/or gay the young men are.

I will say this though: even Mormons will cop to sometimes being weak. We had a joke back in Idaho that the non-Mormons and the Mormons would share a laugh over: Why do you always invite two Mormons to go hunting with you? Because if you invite one, he'll drink all your beer.

If it were the undergarments itself that were the problem, then the models would also have been disciplined. I'd suspect it's more that while the Church has no problem with associating itself with healthy, good-looking young men (not like that, like "We PROMOTE the development of healthy, good-looking men and women through our combination of healthy and Godly living"), it doesn't like its name being used to promote overt licentiousness, and the posts on this thread kind of bear out that point. Most of the posting has been about how hot and/or gay the young men are.


I'd agree that the garments themselves aren't the issue, but I have little doubt it came up. Also, do we know for sure that the models weren't disciplined?


I will say this though: even Mormons will cop to sometimes being weak. We had a joke back in Idaho that the non-Mormons and the Mormons would share a laugh over: Why do you always invite two Mormons to go hunting with you? Because if you invite one, he'll drink all your beer.

lol

I'd agree that the garments themselves aren't the issue, but I have little doubt it came up. Also, do we know for sure that the models weren't disciplined?

I'm starting to wonder if these models were Mormon missionaries at all. I don't know, but, if they were, why did they pose shirtless on a calendar knowing they might be disciplined by their church for doing so?

I'm starting to wonder if these models were Mormon missionaries at all. I don't know, but, if they were, why did they pose shirtless on a calendar knowing they might be disciplined by their church for doing so?

That's a good point.

I'm starting to wonder if these models were Mormon missionaries at all. I don't know, but, if they were, why did they pose shirtless on a calendar knowing they might be disciplined by their church for doing so?

Here we go with the "Mormon missionaries can't ever do anything improper - there's too much supervision, and they're too moral to do anything wrong."

Occam's razor - it's much more likely that these are real missionaries, than the highly improbable "they're always supervised 100% and always morally good in line with their religion".

Here we go with the "Mormon missionaries can't ever do anything improper - there's too much supervision, and they're too moral to do anything wrong."

Occam's razor - it's much more likely that these are real missionaries, than the highly improbable "they're always supervised 100% and always morally good in line with their religion".

Hotwife, do you think I actually care about wether these missionaries are supervised a 100% of the time or that some people believe that just because they're Mormon, they can't do anything bad? Of course they can. They're human beings, subject to the same weaknesses as the rest of us. It's not like the Mormon are super beings.

What I do wonder about is wether the guys who posed on this particular calendar were actual Mormons. If they were, I'm sure they were very aware that their church would take actions against them after posing on this calendar so this shouldn't have come as a surprise.

I'd agree that the garments themselves aren't the issue, but I have little doubt it came up. Also, do we know for sure that the models weren't disciplined?

It did say they were called before the same committee or whatever he was, but that none of them have been excommunicated. I'm sure there are disciplinary actions other than excommunication, right? It's very possible they received some other discipline.

Hotwife, do you think I actually care about wether these missionaries are supervised a 100% of the time or that some people believe that just because they're Mormon, they can't do anything bad? Of course they can. They're human beings, subject to the same weaknesses as the rest of us. It's not like the Mormon are super beings.

What I do wonder about is wether the guys who posed on this particular calendar were actual Mormons. If they were, I'm sure they were very aware that their church would take actions against them after posing on this calendar so this shouldn't have come as a surprise.

I'm sure they were disciplined. It's just that I've heard the ridiculous assertion before that there's no way that someone can suborn a Mormon missionary, because they're just too thoroughly supervised.

Hotwife, do you think I actually care about wether these missionaries are supervised a 100% of the time or that some people believe that just because they're Mormon, they can't do anything bad? Of course they can. They're human beings, subject to the same weaknesses as the rest of us. It's not like the Mormon are super beings.

What I do wonder about is wether the guys who posed on this particular calendar were actual Mormons. If they were, I'm sure they were very aware that their church would take actions against them after posing on this calendar so this shouldn't have come as a surprise.

That's the key. They're just as human as anybody else. (Which, IMHO is why they deserve so much credit for what they do. They have all of teh same weaknesses and issues we have, but yet despite all that they go on their missions.)


It did say they were called before the same committee or whatever he was, but that none of them have been excommunicated. I'm sure there are disciplinary actions other than excommunication, right? It's very possible they received some other discipline.

There are, some formal, some informal. Each was also, I would assume, handled on a case by case basis, since in any Church disciplinary action other factors are considered like the attitude of the person, whether they came forward on their own or were caught doing whatever, etc.


I'm sure they were disciplined. It's just that I've heard the ridiculous assertion before that there's no way that someone can suborn a Mormon missionary, because they're just too thoroughly supervised.

You forget that the calendar models were returned Missionaries.

There are, some formal, some informal. Each was also, I would assume, handled on a case by case basis, since in any Church disciplinary action other factors are considered like the attitude of the person, whether they came forward on their own or were caught doing whatever, etc.

I assume it would also have to do with how they came to participate. If the guy in charge talked them into it, his actions would presumably be seen as a bigger deal than theirs - leading others astray and all that.

I assume it would also have to do with how they came to participate. If the guy in charge talked them into it, his actions would presumably be seen as a bigger deal than theirs - leading others astray and all that.

Could be... although I suspect anyone who used a "He talked me into it" defense would probably not be doing himself any favors. One of the big concepts in LDS belief is the concept of free agency... where each of us is responsible for our own conduct because we have the freedom to act on our own.

I agree that the guy who made the calendar would get dinged harder for being the instigator, but that won't let the others off the hook.

That's the key. They're just as human as anybody else. (Which, IMHO is why they deserve so much credit for what they do. They have all of teh same weaknesses and issues we have, but yet despite all that they go on their missions.)

Indeed. But once again, this very issue makes me wonder if, in actuality, these men were missionaries or not. Meh, it's not like it really matters now. The LDS church already passed some type of judgment. To each his own.;)

Indeed. But once again, this very issue makes me wonder if, in actuality, these men were missionaries or not. Meh, it's not like it really matters now. The LDS church already passed some type of judgment. To each his own.;)

I wonder what, if anything, they got paid for that gig...

Could be... although I suspect anyone who used a "He talked me into it" defense would probably not be doing himself any favors. One of the big concepts in LDS belief is the concept of free agency... where each of us is responsible for our own conduct because we have the freedom to act on our own.

I agree that the guy who made the calendar would get dinged harder for being the instigator, but that won't let the others off the hook.

Yeah, I didn't mean it in a "they have an excuse way." More a, "he went out of his way to get others involved and his actions could therefore be seen as worse" way.

Yeah, I didn't mean it in a "they have an excuse way." More a, "he went out of his way to get others involved and his actions could therefore be seen as worse" way.

Ohhh yeah gotcha. I'd definitely agree.

I must recommend Them to my friend whose motto is "Carpe Hominum".

What's the fuss about? Ok so a few men of dubious sexuality got out their over preened bodies for a calendar. So What? I've seen worse than that going towards Horning Reach!

I must recommend Them to my friend whose motto is "Carpe Hominum".

"Seize the man"?

"Seize the man"?

Yes. Fun motto. Does get you chucked off trains though...

Stupid "Conditions of Carraige"