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Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith

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A Dalek (i'm talking only a single one, not an army three billion, which, as the new series has proved, as soon as they grow in number they turn into pussies. If it wasn't for the fact the one in the Series 1 episode turned nice he'd have exterminated the sh*t out of everyone. I mean srsly, Doctor Who was moar like Doctor Poo(ing himself))

Who would win?

I wanna know who and how.

Vader

His sabre can deflect Dalek weaponry, and he can use cool "force" shizzle.

Darth Vader would use force chock to kill the creature inside...

though I'd say Dr Who would randomly turn up and foil the daleks plans again

what's a dalek?

You need a poll too...

what's a dalek?

A salt shaker with a bad attitude.

what's a dalek?

Think of the cheapest looking, non-humanoid robot you can and you will probably be close.

Well, they both make annoying sounds.

vader

vader

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2319/1722970184_d9f89062a7.jpg?v=0)

Dalek's weaponry is some sort of death ray, if I recall from the few episodes i've seen. Unless its wide beam, a light saber should block it. Or perhaps Vader could do as he did to Han's blaster, and block it with the Force. At this point, the Dalek's options are pretty much limited to flee or die, and I doubt it will get far. Vader could use the Force either to crush the life out of the creature inside, or use it to smash the machine parts, like Windu did in the Clone Wars cartoons.

The Dalek. There's no stairs on the Death Star.

So Vader hops in a shuttle and flies to the Geonosis arena.

Since the new Doctor Who series we have learned that it doesn't help to flee to a staircase when Daleks are hunting you down. Daleks come equipped with antigrav!

And I would assume that Vader would easily defeat a single Dalek. A more interesting question would be if Darth Vader would be able to defeat a Super Saiyan.

A what now? Unless its immune to the Force, and has an area affect weapon, its probably screwed.

A what now? Unless its immune to the Force, and has an area affect weapon, its probably screwed.
http://www.geocities.com/dalektimeline/NewDalek1.jpg

This be the Dalek.

its clear that vader would PWN the daleks.

A single Dalek, yes. A whole division of Daleks? Debatable. Anakin Skywalker proved to be a capable exterminator of the Jedi kindergarten, but the average Dalek is more of a threat than an Imperial Stormtrooper.

A single Dalek, yes. A whole division of Daleks? Debatable. Anakin Skywalker proved to be a capable exterminator of the Jedi kindergarten, but the average Dalek is more of a threat than an Imperial Stormtrooper.

Ah- but vader is no stormtrooper.

http://www.geocities.com/dalektimeline/NewDalek1.jpg

This be the Dalek.

Oh shit! It has a plunger! Run!!! :eek:

Ah- but vader is no stormtrooper.

True, but Darth Vader wouldn't be able to stop a whole division of rebellious stormtroopers either, right? I guess I should have been more clear.

Oh shit! It has a plunger! Run!!! :eek:

It can plunge anything!

True, but Darth Vader wouldn't be able to stop a whole division of rebellious stormtroopers either, right? I guess I should have been more clear.

Actually I read a comic in which Vader wiped out a whole division in a rage. He choked them all at once.

While Vader and the Dalek would be facing off against each other, Artoo would simply roll in, and activate the self destruct button for the entire Dalek race, while twittering facetiously at Threepio.

It can plunge anything!

With that 'plunger' Daleks take control of machines. So beware the Daleks! They will take control of your console and you will be forced to obey your Dalek overlords if you ever want to be able to play your favorite video games ever again!

ALL HAIL THE DA-LEKS!

Actually I read a comic in which Vader wiped out a whole division in a rage. He choked them all at once.

*unimpressed*

You can accomplish the same effect with a Spice Girls reunion. *nod*

It can plunge anything!

And the worst part is it'll overcharge you for the work! :D

And the worst part is it'll overcharge you for the work! :D

Damn them....First with the Exterminating and then overcharging! When will they stop?!

You can accomplish the same effect with a Spice Girls reunion.

Now that would be a comic that I would want to buy: "enraged by his many insecurities, Darth Vader brings a premature end to the Spice Girls reunion tour with a bizarre display of breath control gone horribly wrong". Sounds like a decent plot.

Damn them....First with the Exterminating and then overcharging! When will they stop?!

Why don't you ask their union that? I hear they have a good dental plan.

Since the new Doctor Who series we have learned that it doesn't help to flee to a staircase when Daleks are hunting you down. Daleks come equipped with antigrav!

And I would assume that Vader would easily defeat a single Dalek. A more interesting question would be if Darth Vader would be able to defeat a Super Saiyan.

Super Saiyan obv ;)
With there super fast speed, reactions, strength and what-have-you Vader would get owned. Failing that they'll just use the dragonballs to solve there problems ... again

Why don't you ask their union that? I hear they have a good dental plan.

Dental plan is sooo over rated these days.

Super Saiyan obv ;)
With there super fast speed, reactions, strength and what-have-you Vader would get owned. Failing that they'll just use the dragonballs to solve there problems ... again

Not really. While they're busy spending half the day yelling and encased in fire, Vader could have morning tea, read the papers, punt a stormtrooper, and still be in time to choke them to death.

What you're forgetting is that the internal monologues in DBZ actually take place in only a split second. Those fights may seem to drag on forever, but they hardly take any 'real' time at all. In reality you wouldn't be able to finish a can of soda in the time it takes for an actual fight in DBZ to start & finish. Also keep in mind that Super Saiyans are technically capable of blowing up whole planets without the need of any enhancements. The Empire needed to build a weapon the size of a moon to be able to do the same.

Not really. While they're busy spending half the day yelling and encased in fire, Vader could have morning tea, read the papers, punt a stormtrooper, and still be in time to choke them to death.

Do they really need to breathe?

Do they really need to breathe?

I don't think they have lungs, but they wouldn't survive being squeezed into bits. The Jedi choke doesn't need to be focused on someone's air supply, it's just a more sophisticated version of "I'm crushing your head!"

I think a Dalek might be able to defeat Vader by sneak attack, posing as furniture on the Death Star until just the right moment.

Hmm. Some Daleks can timeshift - which is quite a powerful skill.
Let us timeshift to a planet where a young boy is podracing. Let us then exterminate the pod.

The Dalek race vs the Empire.. bye Empire. Daleks can move planets and turn them into weapons capable of terminating everything in existence.

Hmm. Some Daleks can timeshift - which is quite a powerful skill.
Let us timeshift to a planet where a young boy is podracing. Let us then exterminate the pod.

The Dalek race vs the Empire.. bye Empire. Daleks can move planets and turn them into weapons capable of terminating everything in existence.

You make an interesting point. The Dalek timeshift gives them a clear advantage.

Some interesting responses, I tbh think Vader would deffo win, as for a super saiyan, well. They'd be too busy having constipation (or whatever it is they do) and spending forty episodes making a spirit bomb or training someplace else, Vader would Force Choke the fools.

Now to make things interesting.
Let's say the Daleks are invunerable to direct force attacks as they are "exempt" from the Force (like the Yuuzhan Vong, who withdrew from the Force after they became too violent and bloodthirsty, a trait shared by the Daleks).
This means: Vader cannot pick the Dalek up or Force Choke it. Whilst indirect attacks worked on the Vong (i.e. throwing a rock using the Force would still hurt them, Force Lightning also worked as it is Force energy manifested as physical electricity), you must bear in mind the Dalek has an almost inpenetrable forcefield around it.

Again: say who'd win and how.

EDIT: To stop the Dalek pussying out and cheating, this one has it's timeshift capabilities damaged and disabled.

I know it has nothing to do with this fight, but in KOTOR 2, there was that sith lord who could wipe out entire planets and feed on the death, that's almost as bad as the daleks. Remember, NOTHING is impossible with the force as your ally.

Some interesting responses, I tbh think Vader would deffo win, as for a super saiyan, well. They'd be too busy having constipation (or whatever it is they do) and spending forty episodes making a spirit bomb or training someplace else, Vader would Force Choke the fools.

Now to make things interesting.
Let's say the Daleks are invunerable to direct force attacks as they are "exempt" from the Force (like the Yuuzhan Vong, who withdrew from the Force after they became too violent and bloodthirsty, a trait shared by the Daleks).
This means: Vader cannot pick the Dalek up or Force Choke it. Whilst indirect attacks worked on the Vong (i.e. throwing a rock using the Force would still hurt them, Force Lightning also worked as it is Force energy manifested as physical electricity), you must bear in mind the Dalek has an almost inpenetrable forcefield around it.

Again: say who'd win and how.

EDIT: To stop the Dalek pussying out and cheating, this one has it's timeshift capabilities damaged and disabled.

Hmm. Can the Dalek still fly ? Air power would be an advantage.

I think they would recognise what they had in common, go to the nearest bar and get drunk...good Sith material those Daleks.

I think they would recognise what they had in common, go to the nearest bar and get drunk...good Sith material those Daleks.

Daleks consider themselves supreme, and will never form an alliance with anyone unless their survival was threatened. And then they would turn on you as soon as they are safe.

Daleks consider themselves supreme, and will never form an alliance with anyone unless their survival was threatened. And then they would turn on you as soon as they are safe.

Indeed. They would perceive Vader as a sort of Cyberman.
And as they said:

Cyber Leader: Daleks, be warned. You have declared war upon the Cybermen.
Dalek Leader: This is not war - this is pest control!
Cyber Leader: We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?
Dalek Leader: Four.
Cyber Leader: You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?
Dalek Leader: We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek! You superior in only one respect.
Cyber Leader: What is that?
Dalek Leader: You are better at dying.

I never got this idea that people think a light saber can stop ANYTHING that's kinda like a bullet. If these things were so powerful and with such a small power source, how come no one ever adapted the technology for use as a forcefield in spaceships?

However, that said, I think Vader would win in straight one-on-one combat. But then I'd think the Daleks would just prefer to remove Vader and the entire Imperial galaxy from existence or shift them into another reality than attempt close combat.

All Vader has to do is use the force to knock it over, then insert a lightsaber directly into the waste disposal chute.
If you know what I mean.

what's a dalek?

Imagine if Darth Vader and R2D2 had a baby and Vader got custody.

Imagine if Darth Vader and R2D2 had a baby and Vader got custody.

So an Emo trash can?

http://www.geocities.com/dalektimeline/NewDalek1.jpg

This be the Dalek.

I was refering to that "Super Saiyan" someone mentioned. Unless they're the same thing?

I never got this idea that people think a light saber can stop ANYTHING that's kinda like a bullet. If these things were so powerful and with such a small power source, how come no one ever adapted the technology for use as a forcefield in spaceships?

However, that said, I think Vader would win in straight one-on-one combat. But then I'd think the Daleks would just prefer to remove Vader and the entire Imperial galaxy from existence or shift them into another reality than attempt close combat.

Well, a light saber might have problems with a bullet. Its not like a blaster bolt. It may depend on wheather it vaporized, or mearly melted the bullet. If it just melts it, then wouldn't the Jedi get sprayed with liquid metal?

And yes, any force with practical abillity to alter timelines can beat someone without it, and they wont even have to fight. But fortunately for Vader, its just one Dalek, not an Empire vs Empire war. Unless they can individually time travle without their ships, the Dalek's screwed.

I would simply win by using the pancake of doom.

But fortunately for Vader, its just one Dalek, not an Empire vs Empire war. Unless they can individually time travle without their ships, the Dalek's screwed.

In the new series of doctor who, the cult of skaro daleks were all capable of emergency temporal shifts from their own accord... and dalek caan was even able to manipulate every timeline in the universe to achieve his ends

http://www.geocities.com/dalektimeline/NewDalek1.jpg

This be the Dalek.

That's it?! Vader could kick that overgrown trashcan's ass...

The Daleks would wet themselves with a combination of envy and adoration when they saw just how well the Death Star could "EX-TER-MIN-ATE".

The Daleks would wet themselves with a combination of envy and adoration when they saw just how well the Death Star could "EX-TER-MIN-ATE".

MAXIMUM extermination ;)
However, as mentioned, the Daleks can move entire planets through time and space, and then encase them in a forcefield that stops the planet from breaking apart and/or losing its atmosphere at the new location.

For some reason I think that just destroying it would not pose that great a challenge to them.

Exactly. Darth Vader couldn't even move a small moon.