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Ok, so why not a dieting thread? Who else here is trying to loose some weight and by what means? Is it working?
Maybe we can get together and cry on each other's shoulders as a way of relieving the stress that some diets cause (and they do).


Me, I am a strapping male that stands 6 feet and 4 inches tall and was in the 250 lbs area. I know that to avoid potential health problems in my future I'm going to need to lose wieght so I recenlty set my goal about 4 weeks ago to at least 27 and 1/2 pounds lighter in no more than 6 months which would bring me down to a healthier 220 lbs area. In the last 4 weeks I have shed 6 lbs or so and I am chugging along fine. Thus far the only truly serious adjustment I made beleive it or not is to increase my motabolism by ensuring that I eat three actual meals a day. I even have a schedule, between the hours of 6 and 9:30 am I will have breakfast, between 11 am and 1 pm I will do my best to fit in lunch, and between 5 and 8 pm I will have eaten dinner. I don't always get right on time but I do my best. This in itself has helped me shed 1 1/2 pounds a week. I'm going to take it further by adding a reguler regimen of light cardio between lunch and dinner.

So like I said, who else is looking to shed some pounds and what measures have you taken?

Your antiquated system of measurement obscures what you're trying to say. Could you try to make it understandable to us who live in the 21st century?

Your antiquated system of measurement obscures what you're trying to say. Could you try to make it understandable to us who live in the 21st century?
Surely an educated man such as yourself can work it out? Or has your decadent western lifestyle either rendered you to lazy to do so, or led you to believe that others should do things for you?

Your antiquated system of measurement obscures what you're trying to say. Could you try to make it understandable to us who live in the 21st century?

Even though its rude and uncalled for since where I come from it IS the standard and you could quite simply plug the numbers in pounds and feet into an easy to find online converter I'll humor you, mind you I'm estimating.

250 lbs = about 113 kilos
6.5 lbs = about 3 kilos
220 lbs = about 100 kilos
1.5 lbs = about 1 kilo

6 feet and 4 inches = about 2 meters

I think I could potentially qualify as a success story when it comes to losing weight.

Back in late October of 2007, I was a fat monstrosity, weighing in at 241 lbs (109.55 kilos) who could barely walk down the stairs of his house without horrible puffing, and was generally useless in any sort of exercise sense.

A couple pictures to show:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7946/blurryme004ba5.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/930/blurryme006ia5.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4009/blurryme007dh4.jpg

I changed my diet and started exercising(no special diets or plans, just regular eating and decent exercise) and as of June I had radically changed myself.

I weighed myself earlier this morning and clocked in at 167 lbs (75.91 kilos). I am capable of exercising to a significant degree, able to easily run a couple miles without exhaustion, significantly increased muscular ability, ect ect and so on.

Proof lies in the pictures taken just a couple days ago:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/PIcaRDMPC/IMG_0029.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/PIcaRDMPC/IMG_0030-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/PIcaRDMPC/IMG_0031-1.jpg

(Incidentally, due to my rapid weight loss I have a lot of loose skin, which makes me look pudgier in the belly than I really am.)

I think I could potentially qualify as a success story when it comes to losing weight.

Back in late October of 2007, I was a fat monstrosity, weighing in at 241 lbs (109.55 kilos) who could barely walk down the stairs of his house without horrible puffing, and was generally useless in any sort of exercise sense.

A couple pictures to show:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7946/blurryme004ba5.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/930/blurryme006ia5.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4009/blurryme007dh4.jpg

I changed my diet and started exercising(no special diets or plans, just regular eating and decent exercise) and as of June I had radically changed myself.

I weighed myself earlier this morning and clocked in at 167 lbs (75.91 kilos). I am capable of exercising to a significant degree, able to easily run a couple miles without exhaustion, significantly increased muscular ability, ect ect and so on.

Proof lies in the pictures taken just a couple days ago:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/PIcaRDMPC/IMG_0029.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/PIcaRDMPC/IMG_0030-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/PIcaRDMPC/IMG_0031-1.jpg

(Incidentally, due to my rapid weight loss I have a lot of loose skin, which makes me look pudgier in the belly than I really am.)

Damn good job dude. For me with my hieght and body type my docs recomennded between 215 and 225 lbs as a target and thats where I hope to be in 6 months, nothing so dramatic as you.

1.5 lbs = about 1 kilo
Thought it was more like 2.2lbs to the kilo.

Thought it was more like 2.2lbs to the kilo.

Estimation... I'm not going to bother with getting things exact just to please Fass.

I'm not trying to lose weight right now but I am getting into shape. I had thought I had gained weight, until I weighed myself and found my muscle had turned into flub. However, I can almost see my six pack again so I'm well on my way. I'm running a 2-5 miles a day and doing some push ups nothing too extreme. If I ever get serious about my abs I might have to do 1000 sit ups again.

Damn good job dude. For me with my hieght and body type my docs recomennded between 215 and 225 lbs as a target and thats where I hope to be in 6 months, nothing so dramatic as you.

Well, to be honest, I wasn't actually aiming to achieve that level of success so fast; it just sorta happened. (I'm reasonably certain it was my old metabolism kicking back into gear, the same metabolism I used to have when I was active all the time as a younger kid.)

And, of course, I have to be fit to join the Navy, so that was motivation for me.

I'll tell you this: you'll be able to achieve your goals, so long as you keep at them. The key is to not buy into the media hype that floats around everywhere telling everyone they can't do this or that by themselves, that they need a special diet pill or drink or specific exercise machine or some other bullshit. You don't need any of that. You just need your willpower, an understanding of exercise and nutrition, and to work till you figure out what's right for you and then do it. It's as simple as that.

I'm not trying to lose weight right now but I am getting into shape. I had thought I had gained weight, until I weighed myself and found my muscle had turned into flub. However, I can almost see my six pack again so I'm well on my way. I'm running a 2-5 miles a day and doing some push ups nothing too extreme. If I ever get serious about my abs I might have to do 1000 sit ups again.

Running 2 to 5 miles a day seems a bit extreme to me...

Running 2 to 5 miles a day seems a bit extreme to me...

thats cause i left out the part where i slack off alot of days :P

Its more like thats what I'm trying to do i guess- had a little trouble because my sleeping has been sort of hit and miss lately.

I don't really have much to do besides work and eat, so its more a way to not be bored than anything else.

*snippage*

Thats what I'm doing. I havn't even given anything up. I still eat what I feel like eating, I just do it based on a regular schedule to boost my motabolism and resist those late night snack attacks.

thats cause i left out the part where i slack off alot of days :P

SO 2 to 5 miles a week is prolly a better thing to say, which is not extreme. When I boxxed I ran roughly 6 or 7 miles in a week to build and keep stamina so that amount doesn't seem at all extreme.

SO 2 to 5 miles a week is prolly a better thing to say, which is not extreme. When I boxxed I ran roughly 6 or 7 miles in a week to build and keep stamina so that amount doesn't seem at all extreme.

mm, more like 10+ a week but if i start counting from friday its 2-5 miles a day hehe.

I'll wait until I get older to do it. I just don't have enough time to go to a gym.

I wouldn't recommend this, but I took up smoking. I was somewhat addicted to eating, food is so very yummy you see, so I replaced the one addiction with another, one a lot less yummy. Eating normally and having a nice smoke when I felt like delving into the fridge, so instead of wanting the food i wanted the cigarette, and it turned out to be a lot easier for me to quit smoking than it was to quit eating.

I'll wait until I get older to do it. I just don't have enough time to go to a gym.

C'mon man you don't need a gym, do you have a street or better yet woods outside your house? Go for a walk once a day, just walk until you feel sore or tired and take abreak, then go back home. A brisk walk will burn as many calories and provide almost the same amount of cardio as a jog and is easier on your body. Eat regularly, avoid snacking if you plan on sleeping within 4 hours and try to set up a reguler schedule for eating/sleeping and you can loose wieght.

I wouldn't recommend this, but I took up smoking. I was somewhat addicted to eating, food is so very yummy you see, so I replaced the one addiction with another, one a lot less yummy. Eating normally and having a nice smoke when I felt like delving into the fridge, so instead of wanting the food i wanted the cigarette, and it turned out to be a lot easier for me to quit smoking than it was to quit eating.

You know those commercials they used to air with the people tunring into chimps when they light up a ciggarette... thats pretty much what it is for me. I can't stand anything about ciggarretes but I'm gracious enough to let smokers be, I will never light up though.

Your antiquated system of measurement obscures what you're trying to say. Could you try to make it understandable to us who live in the 21st century?

Us living in the Information Age tend to use Google instead of being uppity asshats.

This is something I've been needing to do for years. Just recently, I decided to lose weight and get in shape. Just by doing a bit of weight training and cardio work I've dropped about 7 pounds in a week.

I was eating pretty good before, but I think I wasn't eating enough. I halfass tried to lose weight just by not eating very much. My metabolism slowed down, I was tired all the time, it was just horrible. Now, with exercise, my metabolism is picking up again and I'm starding to drop the exess fat and add muscle.

I've also began portion control alot more then I had. Now, I measure the pasta before I cook it, instead of cooking the whole box and saving what I didn't eat. And I feel so much better.

Us living in the Information Age tend to use Google instead of being uppity asshats.
Google was banned in Sweden after the Gustavson Act of February this year, so you can hardly blame him.

Well, to be honest, I wasn't actually aiming to achieve that level of success so fast; it just sorta happened. (I'm reasonably certain it was my old metabolism kicking back into gear, the same metabolism I used to have when I was active all the time as a younger kid.)

And, of course, I have to be fit to join the Navy, so that was motivation for me.

I'll tell you this: you'll be able to achieve your goals, so long as you keep at them. The key is to not buy into the media hype that floats around everywhere telling everyone they can't do this or that by themselves, that they need a special diet pill or drink or specific exercise machine or some other bullshit. You don't need any of that. You just need your willpower, an understanding of exercise and nutrition, and to work till you figure out what's right for you and then do it. It's as simple as that.

I love that you keep repeating the stuff about special pills and machines and whatnot (referring to the stuff you wrote on GM and here). *wipes away a tear* I'm so proud. If you recall, way back in the day, this was something I was heavily stressing when people first started all the weightloss talk.

Joking aside, Matt's right, SaintB. The big thing is that you stick to it long enough to figure out what works for you. It seems like you're on the right track, though, on what you need to do in terms of regular meals and the like.

The biggest advice I have is - DON'T STARVE YOURSELF. It's not good for you and it's counter-productive.

Loosing is letting free.
Losing is getting rid of.

It's taken me a few months, but I've gone from my all-time high of 150lbs (I'm 5') to just about back to my pre-pregnancy weight of 123. (5 lbs to go, so I'm actually at 127)

I've just worked on portion control, especially when it comes to my major weakness...potato chips. Oh, and planning to leave my husband helped decrease my appetite. Actually leaving him has decreased it even more. Yay for stress-related weight loss!

Us living in the Information Age tend to use Google instead of being uppity asshats.

I bet if I'd said it, you freaks wouldn't have gotten all bitchy.

hmmm I am on a hardcore diet, I have 96lbs to go before I reach the goal I've set myself. Of course, this was also true two years ago so I don't think I'm doing too well on my diet lol!

If I lost weight I'd probably die. I'm 6'3" and 190 lbs (190cm and 86kg).

I think I could potentially qualify as a success story when it comes to losing weight. -Snip-

Wait a minute, this can't be correct. The first pictures show the date as 11/2/2045 and the second ones have 8/7/2008! Your camera has shown you what you will look like in 37 years time! :p

Anyway, I really shouldn't be in this thread, I haven't put on any weight for around 5 years regardless of what I eat.

rather than running for exercise I recommend cycling

mainly because I find it's more fun as you can cover more ground faster.....

meh

When I feel like losing weight I cut out junk food, reduce my overall food intake and limit it to fresh fruits and veggies, and meat every second dinner.

10 pounds dropped in a week by that method.

To lose more, I increase the number of days I go to kendo, and jog for 30 minutes twice a week.

I'm generally content if my weight doesn't peak 150, and though the high school weight of 130 would be nice, I don't feel it entirely necessary to go on panicking extreme diets to get there.

C'mon man you don't need a gym, do you have a street or better yet woods outside your house? Go for a walk once a day, just walk until you feel sore or tired and take abreak, then go back home. A brisk walk will burn as many calories and provide almost the same amount of cardio as a jog and is easier on your body. Eat regularly, avoid snacking if you plan on sleeping within 4 hours and try to set up a reguler schedule for eating/sleeping and you can loose wieght.It's too hot to go outside.

see your doctor. Its the best way to approach any health problem. But if you insist in not seeing a medical professional about a medical problem I would then advise you to follow government approved dietary advice.

There are many people out there trying to get a buck from a bloated nation. However there is also a lot of great advice. Just question the source and the information will become obvious

see your doctor. Its the best way to approach any health problem. But if you insist in not seeing a medical professional about a medical problem I would then advise you to follow government approved dietary advice.

There are many people out there trying to get a buck from a bloated nation. However there is also a lot of great advice. Just question the source and the information will become obvious

Government approved? Only if you want advice approved by the various lobbies.

Your best bet is to seek out professionals, but that does not necessarily mean doctors. What percentage of doctors are overweight? Hint: it matches the national average.

Your best bet is to seek out someone who specializes in weightloss. There are many different kinds and it's worth shopping around a bit.

People who specialize in weight loss are running a business. They have an interest in earning money over anything else. There are soo many opinions on weight loss but very few many have not been accredited by anyone

The government at least in someway cares for your health. If you get sick you become a burden on public hospitals. They have the best information for loosing weight.

So what if your doctor is overweight? They would still have the latest and best information on how to loose weight.

People who specialize in weight loss are running a business. They have an interest in earning money over anything else. There are soo many opinions on weight loss but very few many have not been accredited by anyone

So are medical professionals, but your advice was to see them. Yes, they run a business and they profit by their customers being successful. They aren't going to make money if their clients are being injured by what they teach, so they have a financial interest in recommending a safe diet.

The government at least in someway cares for your health. If you get sick you become a burden on public hospitals. They have the best information for loosing weight.

Which THEY don't pay for. We do. However, the individuals who make up the government do make money from lobbyists who have a specific interest in the government not coming out against their products. It took decades to get the government to admit cigarettes are bad for you. They absolutely don't have the best information about losing weight and I challenge you to find a medical doctor OR nutritionist who says other.

So what if your doctor is overweight? They would still have the latest and best information on how to loose weight.

Why? Have you seen how doctors get their continuing education? Mostly from pharmaceutical companies buying them gifts in order to get them to sit through propaganda films. I've met doctors who still think circumcision is medically necessary, which is NOT the latest and best information.

Did you forget that just a paragraph earlier you said that people who run a business are unreliable? What do you think doctors are doing?

And I don't trust a bartender who has never had a drink, a skinny chef, or a fat person telling me how to lose weight.

"So what if a financial advisor just lost everything they own in the stock market? They would still have the latest and best information on how to invest your money." And, honestly, if you'd trust someone who is continually unsuccessful at something to tell you how you should do it, then we're done here, because that's not a logical position.

I'm buying an exercise machine from some people I know for 50 bucks. Its some type of weight lifting machine. I'm not overweight, I'm planning to build some more muscle.

Any good exercises for working on abs? I want to have a 6 pack...

I think I could potentially qualify as a success story when it comes to losing weight.

No kidding! Wow, that's an amazing loss in that timespan--almost scary amazing. I hope you did it healthfully and you feel good? If so, congrats!

Over the last 10 months or so, I've been restricting my caloric intake. I've lost nearly 15 kilos. :) The goal is another 15.

I'm buying an exercise machine from some people I know for 50 bucks. Its some type of weight lifting machine. I'm not overweight, I'm planning to build some more muscle.

Any good exercises for working on abs? I want to have a 6 pack...

I did all kinds of excercises that were great for strength when I was a wrestler and gymnast. I really was able to hold up another person with my legs.

Still the first time I did 8-minute abs I was sore for days. I know a number of people who have gotten six-packs from it and it's free. They're generally good and safe excercises and require no equipment. You can find it on youtube. Give it a try and see what you think.

Running 2 to 5 miles a day seems a bit extreme to me...

My aunt runs 4 miles a day, and she's pretty tiny. Like, 5'2" (~157.5 cm) and maybe 110 lbs (~50 kg)

Loosing is letting free.
Losing is getting rid of.

Are you okay, Kat? You seem... rather cranky and gloomy lately.

It's taken me a few months, but I've gone from my all-time high of 150lbs (I'm 5') to just about back to my pre-pregnancy weight of 123. (5 lbs to go, so I'm actually at 127)

I've just worked on portion control, especially when it comes to my major weakness...potato chips. Oh, and planning to leave my husband helped decrease my appetite. Actually leaving him has decreased it even more. Yay for stress-related weight loss!

I KNEW you already had a husband! Okay, so I'm not crazy. ...in this instance.

When I feel like losing weight I cut out junk food, reduce my overall food intake and limit it to fresh fruits and veggies, and meat every second dinner.

10 pounds dropped in a week by that method.

That is an awful lot of weight to lose in one week. The most I've ever lost in a week is 7 pounds, and that was an awful lot to lose.

Over the last 10 months or so, I've been restricting my caloric intake. I've lost nearly 15 kilos. :) The goal is another 15.

We don't understand your new-fangled units. Speak English.

The most weight I've ever lost in one time periods was 37 pounds. It took me 9 months, though I had many set backs, so that's not terribly inspiring. I started out after college at my all-time high, 157 pounds (~71 kilos) and got below my high school weight to my all-time low, 120 pounds (~54.5 kilos). Sadly, I got fat again and now I'm at about 132 pounds (~60 kilos) and very unhappy about it, but I can't seem to stop eating. Even though 132 is in the "healthy weight range" for my height (5'8.5", ~174 cm) it's a flabby 132 and doesn't look good on me. :( I'm trying to eat properly and exercise, but I'm terminally lazy.

So are medical professionals, but your advice was to see them. Yes, they run a business and they profit by their customers being successful. They aren't going to make money if their clients are being injured by what they teach, so they have a financial interest in recommending a safe diet.

Medical professionals must keep on renewing their registration to practice. This involves continued education and tests

Which THEY don't pay for. We do. However, the individuals who make up the government do make money from lobbyists who have a specific interest in the government not coming out against their products. It took decades to get the government to admit cigarettes are bad for you. They absolutely don't have the best information about losing weight and I challenge you to find a medical doctor OR nutritionist who says other.

Comes back to the medical professionals. Whilst they dont pay for the hospital they can get sued (and often do) if they make a mistake. Sure lobbyists push their products. But the doctor must understand the product to prescribe it. There is also no way of the drug companies knowing what doctors prescribe what. They can tell by the pharmacies but not the individual doctors.

As for a doctor who says otherwise well I guess my mother would do

Why? Have you seen how doctors get their continuing education? Mostly from pharmaceutical companies buying them gifts in order to get them to sit through propaganda films. I've met doctors who still think circumcision is medically necessary, which is NOT the latest and best information.

Did you forget that just a paragraph earlier you said that people who run a business are unreliable? What do you think doctors are doing?

And I don't trust a bartender who has never had a drink, a skinny chef, or a fat person telling me how to lose weight.

"So what if a financial advisor just lost everything they own in the stock market? They would still have the latest and best information on how to invest your money." And, honestly, if you'd trust someone who is continually unsuccessful at something to tell you how you should do it, then we're done here, because that's not a logical position.

Yes my mother as a doctor goes to medical seminars every single month on a variety of topics from foot injuries to post nasal depression. She has numerous magazines she must read with tests attached that she must complete to keep practicing. She must undertake so many seminars in different areas to keep her general practitioner licence.

The drug companies’ most common gift is a pen which is practically worthless. Anything over $20 requires paperwork in Australia. Occasionally its a mouse pad. The gifts arnt that valuable. There is no cash hand out. And there is no way of the drug company knowing if their $20 "bribe" worked as the doctors scripts are not given to the drug company. The time it takes to receive this "bribe" would have been far better treating the line of patience as there is a doctor shortage and doctors get payed very well. The drug companies know this so their talk (never a film as that is too expensive) is normally done during a lunch break where it is close to training. From the one meeting I listened into about Effeexor-xr Venlafaxine hydrochloride (I was waiting for a lift to a sports game) the drug rep had numerous references to other drugs and explained their weaknesses and how his was better. The doctors were effectively learning DURING a 15 minute meal break about numerous drugs.
A general practitioner must know how to lose weight in theory at least. Even if they dont do it themselves they know facts about different diets and how they work with weaknesses of each explained by medical journals, drug reps and seminars. This is a lot more information then someone who has created their own diet to earn money

Blech, I can use to lose some weight... though not really much, just like 10-15lbs.

I'm 5'8" and 150lbs... I was 135lbs last summer and I felt quite good and then I got lazy and busy so I didn't have time to cook properly.

At any rate, I have to get around to actually going swimming and all. My goal is to be able to swim 25 lengths in 20 mins by the end of the summer, although I'll settle for being able to do 25 lengths without stopping.

Medical professionals must keep on renewing their registration to practice. This involves continued education and tests

This is also true of nutritionists.

Comes back to the medical professionals. Whilst they dont pay for the hospital they can get sued (and often do) if they make a mistake. Sure lobbyists push their products. But the doctor must understand the product to prescribe it. There is also no way of the drug companies knowing what doctors prescribe what. They can tell by the pharmacies but not the individual doctors.

As for a doctor who says otherwise well I guess my mother would do

First of all, they can only get sued if they are negligent. Making a mistake is not negligence. It has to be shown that they reasonably should have avoided the mistake. A mistake regarding nutrition or excercise which they absolutely are NOT experts in does not fall under that category. That's why we have nutritionists.

As for your mother, I call bullshit. I don't believe your mother is both a doctor and uneducated enough to not know the problem with governmental "advice" on nutrition. The government is designed in a way that they cater to the people. If a HUGE group of people produce food, they aren't going to tell us to eat less, just like they won't tell us to purchase foreign automobiles to save gas, or that the availibility of abortions and good education on birth control reduce teen pregnancy. Hell, the highest doctor in the land was fired for commenting that masturbation is natural. The "doctors" in the government are required to cater to the parties.

Yes my mother as a doctor goes to medical seminars every single month on a variety of topics from foot injuries to post nasal depression. She has numerous magazines she must read with tests attached that she must complete to keep practicing. She must undertake so many seminars in different areas to keep her general practitioner licence.

Your mother doesn't exist. At least not in a rational debate. I claim my father has meetings with the President every day and tells me the government doesn't care about our nutritional needs. Prove me wrong.

Meanwhile, those 'seminars' are paid for by drug companies. I used to work for an online university called University.com during the 90's. The AMA considers continuing education to be a major failure for GPs. If you really want to spend some time discussing CE for GPs I'd love to put my credentials and education up against the qualification you posses "child of a GP", as daunting as that task may be.

The drug companies’ most common gift is a pen which is practically worthless. Anything over $20 requires paperwork in Australia. Occasionally its a mouse pad. The gifts arnt that valuable. There is no cash hand out. And there is no way of the drug company knowing if their $20 "bribe" worked as the doctors scripts are not given to the drug company. The time it takes to receive this "bribe" would have been far better treating the line of patience as there is a doctor shortage and doctors get payed very well. The drug companies know this so their talk (never a film as that is too expensive) is normally done during a lunch break where it is close to training. From the one meeting I listened into about Effeexor-xr Venlafaxine hydrochloride (I was waiting for a lift to a sports game) the drug rep had numerous references to other drugs and explained their weaknesses and how his was better. The doctors were effectively learning DURING a 15 minute meal break about numerous drugs.
A general practitioner must know how to lose weight in theory at least. Even if they dont do it themselves they know facts about different diets and how they work with weaknesses of each explained by medical journals, drug reps and seminars. This is a lot more information then someone who has created their own diet to earn money

Oh my goodness? I'm calling bullshit. Drug companies used to give out bottles of wine to our guests when I was working at their "seminars" in college. They've improve in the last decade, but not by a lot. They basically had endless pools of money they were permitted to use to buy the loyalty of doctors AND universities. Many reps have positions on medical boards and university boards. If your "mother" doesn't know that and didn't convey that then she either doesn't exist or she doesn't care to keep you educated. Either way, if you'd like to put your mother on the computer, I'd love to test her nutrition credentials. I bet I can checkmate her in five moves.

I would not put my knowledge against your average nutritionist, however. If your mother is claiming that people should talk to GPs instead of people who focus on diet and excercise then she deserves to have her license revoked.

I'll tell you what. Give me a rough percentage of her time yearly she spends focusing on studying and working with nutrition. For nutritionists, it's 100%.

I just realized your talking about Australia. I'm not sure if that's better or worse, but it's definitely still naive.

Wait a minute, this can't be correct. The first pictures show the date as 11/2/2045 and the second ones have 8/7/2008! Your camera has shown you what you will look like in 37 years time! :p

Yeah, the camera I used--same one for both sets of pictures--is such a piece of crap, despite looking like a much better camera than it is.
No kidding! Wow, that's an amazing loss in that timespan--almost scary amazing. I hope you did it healthfully and you feel good? If so, congrats!

Yes, and yes. Believe me, I wasn't interested in losing weight in a bad way.

I did all kinds of excercises that were great for strength when I was a wrestler and gymnast. I really was able to hold up another person with my legs.

Still the first time I did 8-minute abs I was sore for days. I know a number of people who have gotten six-packs from it and it's free. They're generally good and safe excercises and require no equipment. You can find it on youtube. Give it a try and see what you think.

hmm...
I think I'll give 8 minute abs a try...

Bottles of wine may be part of a meal but they are not taken home. Even the meal has limits for expense as the issue or bribary is taken very seriously.

I am sure that the Royal Australian College of General practitioners (lol im using their mousepad now but this isnt from a drug company) could be improved but I by far trust someone who has gone under about six years of medical training then anyone else about my health especially if the issue is complicated

weight loss often is. People have different dietary restrictions due to choice (vegetarian) or genetics (celiac disease (cant eat flour)) which can be even further complicated by blood pressure, drugs or organ failures.

You can trust a book from who knows or you can see a medical practitioner who has no interest in getting your business back (people are desperately seeking doctors, not the other way around) and is likely to know a far lot more about a your weight loss then anyone else would.

There is no incentive for your doctor to give you substandard advice. The drug companies dont know what drugs they prescribe and they would be happy to fix your medical issue and move on to their next patient as there sure and plenty. This would be beneficial financially (less likely to get sued) and for pure job satisfaction.

I am sure drug reps have multiple positions. Drug companies hire intelligent people to sell and create their drugs. If the drug fails or worse causes other medical problems (which drugs can easily do if left in the hands of less than ideal scientists) Unless the drug rep has some way of knowing if their $20 bribe worked (and legally they dont nor is it again in the doctors financial interest) they have no reason to give anything out unless it is to convince the doctor arrive at the meeting

Bottles of wine may be part of a meal but they are not taken home. Even the meal has limits for expense as the issue or bribary is taken very seriously.

Perhaps in Australia. I literally watched doctors walk out with several. This being an international forum, you have to address the law in EVERY country that people live in that may have read your post. You also have to defend the governments of all the posters you recommended listen to them.

I am sure that the Royal Australian College of General practitioners (lol im using their mousepad now but this isnt from a drug company) could be improved but I by far trust someone who has gone under about six years of medical training then anyone else about my health especially if the issue is complicated

If that six years of medical training was focused on nutrition, I'd agree. But since they don't spend even four of those years focused on nutrition and excercise unless that is their specialization, you're embarrassing yourself. You're correct in that we should respect training and a GP doesn't have it compared to specialists.

How many years of schooling do you think someone with a masters in nutrition has. Your mother is getting her knowledge of nutrition from people who study it. Some of them are doctors but NONE of them are GPs.


weight loss often is. People have different dietary restrictions due to choice (vegetarian) or genetics (celiac disease (cant eat flour)) which can be even further complicated by blood pressure, drugs or organ failures.

Of course, which is why I wouldn't trust some jack of all trades but master of none. I'd prefer someone that spends 100% of their time on nutrition and excercise.


You can trust a book from who knows or you can see a medical practitioner who has no interest in getting your business back (people are desperately seeking doctors, not the other way around) and is likely to know a far lot more about a your weight loss then anyone else would.

Oh, wait, so now having an interest in getting your business back is a good thing, before it was a bad thing. Do you even know what logic is?

A nutritionist has an interest in getting your business back and spends their entire career focused on nutrition. GPs admit to not being experts on anything which is why they recommend specialists when they're in over their head.


There is no incentive for your doctor to give you substandard advice. The drug companies dont know what drugs they prescribe and they would be happy to fix your medical issue and move on to their next patient as there sure and plenty. This would be beneficial financially (less likely to get sued) and for pure job satisfaction.

First of all, I'm not suggesting any doctor intentionally gives bad advice. I'm suggesting they get all kinds of propaganda. In the US, doctors often still advise routine circumcision despite the FACT that no major medical group advises such a thing. I notice that you're not actuall debating. You've dropped half a dozen argument. The obvious reason is that "child of a GP" doesn't mean you know anything about what you're talking about.


I am sure drug reps have multiple positions. Drug companies hire intelligent people to sell and create their drugs. If the drug fails or worse causes other medical problems (which drugs can easily do if left in the hands of less than ideal scientists) Unless the drug rep has some way of knowing if their $20 bribe worked (and legally they dont nor is it again in the doctors financial interest) they have no reason to give anything out unless it is to convince the doctor arrive at the meeting

You really are clueless, huh? They give out the bribes because it keeps the physicians coming back and listening to the propaganda. It's the same reason they buy ads on television and anything else. Physicians are people like you and me. The more they hear about a drug the more likely they are to prescribe it. You keep acting like it requires some nefarious scheme. It's not a scheme nor nefarious, it's just good business.

I noticed you dropped the whole government thing. Bad debate, but at least it shows good judgement.

okiedokie so far I have put on 1lb since I last posted - not good! I need to lose 97lbs overall but I need to lose 3lbs before August 7th otherwise I won't fit into my dress for the wedding and the world will come to an end.


Boo, why does everything bad taste good? lol

Just to say, I've been running 5km every day (it takes about 30 minutes so its totally doable). I started off taking the C25K challenge (Couch to 5km) starting in January and I'm still running.

Combined with some sensible eating, the exercise has helped me shift 34lbs. I still have a lot to go, but I'm getting there.

taking pounds off to a point of balance is appearantly from a medical perspective, a very good idea, but taking them off in a hurry, like most results of impatience, is a very bad one.

for that i can list a great many reasons. first and formost being that the're not likely to STAY off, only perminent chainges in life style and eating habits can do that, and in order to be PERMINENT they have to be of a nature you can live with, not for some set duration to reach some particular goal, but FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE! and the problem with weight bouncing up and down like a yoyo from a very probably life of alternating diet and binge, which the diet obsessed often seem to end up with, creates more stress, psychologically AND physiologically, then the origeonal poundage, unless it was REALLY extreme, is likely would have.

the best combination of diet and exercise is one of small PERMINENT chainges for the rest of one's life, and none of this insanity of trying to take off x many pounds in some myraculous minimum of days.

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taking pounds off to a point of balance is appearantly from a medical perspective, a very good idea, but taking them off in a hurry, like most results of impatience, is a very bad one.

for that i can list a great many reasons. first and formost being that the're not likely to STAY off, only perminent chainges in life style and eating habits can do that, and in order to be PERMINENT they have to be of a nature you can live with, not for some set duration to reach some particular goal, but FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE! and the problem with weight bouncing up and down like a yoyo from a very probably life of alternating diet and binge, which the diet obsessed often seem to end up with, creates more stress, psychologically AND physiologically, then the origeonal poundage, unless it was REALLY extreme, is likely would have.

the best combination of diet and exercise is one of small PERMINENT chainges for the rest of one's life, and none of this insanity of trying to take off x many pounds in some myraculous minimum of days.

=^^=
.../\...

Exactly. Trying to lose weight super fast and whatnot is just silly and stupid, especially if you're not willing to alter the habits that caused the weight to begin with.

Now, I achieved results amazingly fast, but that was because of a number of factors key to my situation, including reactivation of a very active metabolism, significant diet and exercise changes, and a huge amount of free time. It's not typical no matter what you do, and I did it in perhaps the best way possible, too.

okiedokie so far I have put on 1lb since I last posted - not good! I need to lose 97lbs overall but I need to lose 3lbs before August 7th otherwise I won't fit into my dress for the wedding and the world will come to an end.


Boo, why does everything bad taste good? lol

You can lose 3lbs doing that Special K diet.....but it will come back.

You need to plan ahead and figure out what you are going to eat, and then eat that and don't eat other things. Also, exercise and drink more water. If you think you are hungry, drink a glass of water first.

You can lose 3lbs doing that Special K diet.....but it will come back.

You need to plan ahead and figure out what you are going to eat, and then eat that and don't eat other things. Also, exercise and drink more water. If you think you are hungry, drink a glass of water first.

I tried that special K diet, did it for a few months 3 years ago and havent been able to look at another bowl of cereal since!

We don't understand your new-fangled units. Speak English.

15 kilos = roughly 2 st 5 (You asked for it in English...)

Note that I grew up in the US using both metric and imperial.

I tried that special K diet, did it for a few months 3 years ago and havent been able to look at another bowl of cereal since!

Yeah, it's pretty nasty.

Portion control (and calorie intake control) counts for a lot of weight loss, and a lot for keeping it off. Stop putting food in your piehole.

Selecting the right things is important - since you're only allowing for a set number of calories, make sure it's not something like candy bars, or boiled cabbage, or tree bark.

Exercise is helpful, primarily for increasing strength, endurance, and improving muscle tone. However, don't think of it as a means of "burning" calories. You would have to run 11 miles or more just to burn off a Burger King Whopper burger.

Stop consuming refined sugar - it's the main thing that is making you hungrier later.

One of the major mistakes that alot of first time dieters make is to really reduce their caloric intake, to below healthy levels. If you don't eat, your body will compensate by slowing down your metabolism. You won't lose any real weight and you'll feel like crap. I tried to reduce my intake earlier this summer, and I felt miserable. Keeping active is the real key.

Portion control (and calorie intake control) counts for a lot of weight loss, and a lot for keeping it off. Stop putting food in your piehole.

Selecting the right things is important - since you're only allowing for a set number of calories, make sure it's not something like candy bars, or boiled cabbage, or tree bark.

Exercise is helpful, primarily for increasing strength, endurance, and improving muscle tone. However, don't think of it as a means of "burning" calories. You would have to run 11 miles or more just to burn off a Burger King Whopper burger.

Stop consuming refined sugar - it's the main thing that is making you hungrier later.

Indeed.

And a note to those of the "bad stuff tastes yummy, good stuff tastes yucky" school - learn how to cook better. Seriously. Herbs and spices are far lower in calories than sugars and fats used as flavor agents.

Personally, I like a hot, spicy habanero kick. A nice dollop of a decent hot sauce (choose carefully - NaCl can be an issue...)

And to add something I'm about to cross post to the strange things one does to foods thread, I like a nice hot sauce as a salad dressing. A combo of El Yucateco Red and Tabasco Chipotle tossed w/ a green salad is yummy, maybe w/ a bit of fresh lime...

Loosing is letting free.
Losing is getting rid of.

Well, I've tried to loose weight in addition to losing it. You know, setting it free to wander from my hips to my tits and all that.

Sadly, I got fat again and now I'm at about 132 pounds (~60 kilos) and very unhappy about it, [...] my height (5'8.5", ~174 cm) i[...]

WTF? 60 kilos at 174cm is great. Not wanting to toot my own horn too much, but I'm 63 at 175 right now and it's a weight that's everything but 'fat' or anything to 'feel bad about'.


That said, I've recently taken on a weight loss project and been doing amazingly well. I've started out at a still acceptable, but improvable 71 kilos at 175 cm (that's 165.5 pounds at 5 ft 7.5 inches) and am at a rather nice 63kg / 139 pounds) about two and a half months later.

I didn't want it to be a diet, but rather an alteration of my eating etc. life style, so I changed a lot:


I reduced my portions

I quit the snacking

I shifted my biggest meal to lunch rather than dinner

I significantly increased my fruit&veggie intake (bought a blender and am doing smoothies every evening)

I started doing some (additional) moderate exercise

Try to shift my perception of food as 'comfort/boredom stuff'

Focus on eating when eating; no more eating in front of computer etc.

Stopped eating pre-packaged food



I've maintained my current weight for a while now; I wouldn't object to losing just a tiny bit more but I won't go hungry for it either.

mm, more like 10+ a week but if i start counting from friday its 2-5 miles a day hehe.

I use to run for my school's cross country team. But I like swimming better now. Swimming exercises every muscle in the body, in doesn't make your feet hurt and it burns more calories than any other activity per minute according to my health class teacher.

I swim between .5-2 Km, 4 times a week. But I am trying to gain weight cuz I am a skinny little fuck. So far, I have been swimming about 2 months and I've gained about 6 pounds of muscle or fat or something, I'm not sure.

I use to run for my school's cross country team. But I like swimming better now. Swimming exercises every muscle in the body, in doesn't make your feet hurt and it burns more calories than any other activity per minute according to my health class teacher.

I swim between .5-2 Km, 4 times a week. But I am trying to gain weight cuz I am a skinny little fuck. So far, I have been swimming about 2 months and I've gained about 6 pounds of muscle or fat or something, I'm not sure.

I heard somewhere that Swimming isn't good for losing weight. They don't exactly know why, but it seems as though the water has some sort of insulating effect when it comes to burning fat. Don't quote me, though.

I did all kinds of excercises that were great for strength when I was a wrestler and gymnast. I really was able to hold up another person with my legs.

Still the first time I did 8-minute abs I was sore for days. I know a number of people who have gotten six-packs from it and it's free. They're generally good and safe excercises and require no equipment. You can find it on youtube. Give it a try and see what you think.
I just youtubed 8 min abs and tried it out, you know, for shiggles.

It's quite good, honestly. I already have pretty good abs but, seriously, is there anyone who wouldn't like to improve?

Oh, and I'm also running a mile every morning before breakfast.

Here's a tip to those looking to feel better, lose weight, become tighter, fitter and FEEL BETTTER.

Run (don't jog, but run) a mile every morning before breakfast. Because you don't have food in your stomach, your body will go right to your fat deposits. Then you get home, you take a shower (I take a cold one because I'm still sweating) and you have breakfast. You feel very awake, refreshed and full of energy for the day. Honestly, I feel so much healthier since I started doing that.

I heard somewhere that Swimming isn't good for losing weight. They don't exactly know why, but it seems as though the water has some sort of insulating effect when it comes to burning fat. Don't quote me, though.
I don't think that's true. In fact, it's usually better for losing weight than running or jogging because, for heavy people, running or jogging will be uncomfterable on their feet, carrying all that weight. I've known many people to lose weight swimming/playing water polo.

There is nothing better for abs than doing ab work in the pool. Like treading water while holding something over your head. Great for your legs and abs.

hmmm... I really wouldn't recommend my method of losing weight. :(

First get Diverticulitis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis).
if you're lucky enough to get it near your stomach as opposed to lower down... so much the better.
then, consume nothing but liquids. this is due mostly because you're unable to digest solid foods. this should last about two weeks or so.
as the swelling goes down. move towards soft foods. Applesause, soups with soft ingrediants, etc... stick to this diet for about three weeks or so.

all this time, you would be retraining your eating habits. at the end, when I could eat 'normal' foods. I found myself eating less than my normal, pre-sickness days.

then I got on my No Car diet and the poundages stayed away.

I have gained 30 pounds since last summer. Now I weigh 125lb.!

Portion control (and calorie intake control) counts for a lot of weight loss, and a lot for keeping it off. Stop putting food in your piehole.

Selecting the right things is important - since you're only allowing for a set number of calories, make sure it's not something like candy bars, or boiled cabbage, or tree bark.

Exercise is helpful, primarily for increasing strength, endurance, and improving muscle tone. However, don't think of it as a means of "burning" calories. You would have to run 11 miles or more just to burn off a Burger King Whopper burger.

Stop consuming refined sugar - it's the main thing that is making you hungrier later.

Actually, that's far too basic to be useful. Obviously the relationship between what you consume and what you burn is important, but for many Americans their slow metabolisms as a result of HOW they eat is as important, if not more important, than what they eat. Overeating is A problem. It is not THE problem.

As far as suggesting that people shouldn't think of excercise in terms of burning calories, that's nonsense. They should excercise for the purpose of burning calories and running is a terrible way to do it. The benefits barely outweigh the risks as your whispering legs will attest. The goal of excercise is to teach your body that to burn calories, thus increasing your metabolism. Your body will learn that you're going to rely on that energy on a regular basis and start ensuring it's available to you.

I just youtubed 8 min abs and tried it out, you know, for shiggles.

It's quite good, honestly. I already have pretty good abs but, seriously, is there anyone who wouldn't like to improve?

Oh, and I'm also running a mile every morning before breakfast.

Here's a tip to those looking to feel better, lose weight, become tighter, fitter and FEEL BETTTER.

Run (don't jog, but run) a mile every morning before breakfast. Because you don't have food in your stomach, your body will go right to your fat deposits. Then you get home, you take a shower (I take a cold one because I'm still sweating) and you have breakfast. You feel very awake, refreshed and full of energy for the day. Honestly, I feel so much healthier since I started doing that.

Uh, yeah, don't do that unless you're not a particular fan of your knees and feet. Do excercise, for sure, but there are MUCH better ways to burn fat than running.

Well, I've tried to loose weight in addition to losing it. You know, setting it free to wander from my hips to my tits and all that.



WTF? 60 kilos at 174cm is great. Not wanting to toot my own horn too much, but I'm 63 at 175 right now and it's a weight that's everything but 'fat' or anything to 'feel bad about'.


That said, I've recently taken on a weight loss project and been doing amazingly well. I've started out at a still acceptable, but improvable 71 kilos at 175 cm (that's 165.5 pounds at 5 ft 7.5 inches) and am at a rather nice 63kg / 139 pounds) about two and a half months later.

I didn't want it to be a diet, but rather an alteration of my eating etc. life style, so I changed a lot:


I reduced my portions

I quit the snacking

I shifted my biggest meal to lunch rather than dinner

I significantly increased my fruit&veggie intake (bought a blender and am doing smoothies every evening)

I started doing some (additional) moderate exercise

Try to shift my perception of food as 'comfort/boredom stuff'

Focus on eating when eating; no more eating in front of computer etc.

Stopped eating pre-packaged food



I've maintained my current weight for a while now; I wouldn't object to losing just a tiny bit more but I won't go hungry for it either.


I can find no fault in this post. Dammit.

Indeed.

And a note to those of the "bad stuff tastes yummy, good stuff tastes yucky" school - learn how to cook better. Seriously. Herbs and spices are far lower in calories than sugars and fats used as flavor agents.

Personally, I like a hot, spicy habanero kick. A nice dollop of a decent hot sauce (choose carefully - NaCl can be an issue...)

And to add something I'm about to cross post to the strange things one does to foods thread, I like a nice hot sauce as a salad dressing. A combo of El Yucateco Red and Tabasco Chipotle tossed w/ a green salad is yummy, maybe w/ a bit of fresh lime...

I'm big on make your own hot sauce. Habaneros are awesome.

There are also tons of ways to make a meal a bit healthier without changing the flavor in any noticeable way. Shifting from white bread to wheat, white rice to brown, replacing refined sugar with honey or various other forms. Replacing packaged with fresh is a great start.

Eating healthy shouldn't mean rice cakes. It needn't, especially to those of us with few health restrictions.

The biggest note of your post that should be accentuated is SPICES are better than SAUCES (ketchup, syrups, creams, etc.).

WTF? 60 kilos at 174cm is great. Not wanting to toot my own horn too much, but I'm 63 at 175 right now and it's a weight that's everything but 'fat' or anything to 'feel bad about'.


That said, I've recently taken on a weight loss project and been doing amazingly well. I've started out at a still acceptable, but improvable 71 kilos at 175 cm (that's 165.5 pounds at 5 ft 7.5 inches) and am at a rather nice 63kg / 139 pounds) about two and a half months later.

I know it's an "acceptable" range but I don't like it on me, maybe just because I'd maintained around 55-56 kg for quite awhile until gaining the past few months. Also I don't exercise so it's not a lean 60 kg, it's a flabby one.

PS. 175 cm ~ 5 ft 9 inches.

I'm big on make your own hot sauce. Habaneros are awesome.

There are also tons of ways to make a meal a bit healthier without changing the flavor in any noticeable way. Shifting from white bread to wheat, white rice to brown, replacing refined sugar with honey or various other forms. Replacing packaged with fresh is a great start.

Eating healthy shouldn't mean rice cakes. It needn't, especially to those of us with few health restrictions.

The biggest note of your post that should be accentuated is SPICES are better than SAUCES (ketchup, syrups, creams, etc.).

Aye, spices ftw. It can turn a bland piece of chicken into a masterpiece of flavor without adding calories or being bad for you. In fact, some spices have shown benifitial effects to the human body. Just watch out for the premixed spice blends that list salt as the #1 ingredient.

Mrs. Dash is my bitch. I love her garlic spice blend. Even better, I found it in Meijer brand!

Also, THEY REPLACED OUR SMILIES! :(

I speak for us all here, whether they've agreed to it or not, when I say, shut up Jocabia...what makes you the weight loss expert, huh? If I want to push pro-ana websites and starvation diets, who are you to get up on your high horse and find fault with my posts?

:p

Uh, yeah, don't do that unless you're not a particular fan of your knees and feet. Do excercise, for sure, but there are MUCH better ways to burn fat than running.
I'll disagree with you (what a suprise;)) here. When I first started running like this, my legs hurt...but that only lasted 2 or so days. Now my legs feel more than fine when running, and have grown much more muscular. My thighs are just more muscular, as are my calves. Not just that, but I feel better because there is much more muscle around my knees, instead of just skin and bone. Indeed, running is not for the whimpy, but those of us who can take the initial pain will find out that it doesn't hurt at all after just a few times, and you will build muscle in your legs and tone your body down.

Also, it's really good to have strong legs to support your upper body. Even more so if you work out your upper body alot or are over weight up there.

So, yeah. Disagreed.

not having those delicious, inbetween snacks and cycling 3-4 miles a day
though recently, my bike is broken in almost all aspects, so i need it fixed

Uh, yeah, don't do that unless you're not a particular fan of your knees and feet. Do excercise, for sure, but there are MUCH better ways to burn fat than running.

I've been running somewhere between one and five miles a day (worked my way up, started at one, now at five) since the end of may, and I've lost fifteen pounds. My feet and knees feel great, and running, besides losing weight, is a useful ability.

You're never going to have to sit-up your way out of a bad situation, but the endurance to run for long distances quickly is something certain people find valuable.

I've been running somewhere between one and five miles a day (worked my way up, started at one, now at five) since the end of may, and I've lost fifteen pounds. My feet and knees feel great, and running, besides losing weight, is a useful ability.
Yup, yup.:salute: (testing out these new bad boys)
You're never going to have to sit-up your way out of a bad situation.
Though it does indeed give me a wonderful mental image. Think "doing the worm" on your back while sitting on your ass.

hmmm... I really wouldn't recommend my method of losing weight. :(

First get Diverticulitis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis).
if you're lucky enough to get it near your stomach as opposed to lower down... so much the better.
then, consume nothing but liquids. this is due mostly because you're unable to digest solid foods. this should last about two weeks or so.
as the swelling goes down. move towards soft foods. Applesause, soups with soft ingrediants, etc... stick to this diet for about three weeks or so.

all this time, you would be retraining your eating habits. at the end, when I could eat 'normal' foods. I found myself eating less than my normal, pre-sickness days.

then I got on my No Car diet and the poundages stayed away.

Similair to my weight loss method. Go insane, get prescribed lot's of drugs that tear your stomach to shreds, and then basically feel nauseous all the time and stop wanting to eat. It's all the better if you're already 108lbs before it happens.
WARNING- May lead to accusations of eating disorders from close friends and family members.

I'm big on make your own hot sauce. Habaneros are awesome.

If I had a regular supply of 'em, I'd probably do so as well.

There are also tons of ways to make a meal a bit healthier without changing the flavor in any noticeable way. Shifting from white bread to wheat, white rice to brown, replacing refined sugar with honey or various other forms. Replacing packaged with fresh is a great start.

Eating healthy shouldn't mean rice cakes. It needn't, especially to those of us with few health restrictions.

The biggest note of your post that should be accentuated is SPICES are better than SAUCES (ketchup, syrups, creams, etc.).

Indeed, indeed.

I'll disagree with you (what a suprise;)) here. When I first started running like this, my legs hurt...but that only lasted 2 or so days. Now my legs feel more than fine when running, and have grown much more muscular. My thighs are just more muscular, as are my calves. Not just that, but I feel better because there is much more muscle around my knees, instead of just skin and bone. Indeed, running is not for the whimpy, but those of us who can take the initial pain will find out that it doesn't hurt at all after just a few times, and you will build muscle in your legs and tone your body down.

Also, it's really good to have strong legs to support your upper body. Even more so if you work out your upper body alot or are over weight up there.

So, yeah. Disagreed.

There are tons of ways to increase your leg strength and stamina without pounding the crap out of your joints.

There is nothing to disagree with. You're talking about your experience after a short time. The FACT is that after prolonged running you're at huge risk of permanent joint injury that simply doesn't exist with other excercises.

Football makes you stronger, too, but if simply getting fit is your goal, football is a stupid way to do it.

I've been running somewhere between one and five miles a day (worked my way up, started at one, now at five) since the end of may, and I've lost fifteen pounds. My feet and knees feel great, and running, besides losing weight, is a useful ability.

You're never going to have to sit-up your way out of a bad situation, but the endurance to run for long distances quickly is something certain people find valuable.

If you're in a situation that requires you run five miles, kiss your ass goodbye. Also, it's not as if a person who bikes daily isn't going to be capable of running if necessary. His/her legs will be stronger, his/her endurance just as strong and his/her joints will be in better shape and less prone to injury. Bikes for the win.

That said, another person who's been running all of two months who ignores the evidence.

I still run myself, but I run because I like. However, if your goal is to get fit, it's a stupid way to do it. It's bad for you. The impact is terrible and most people who have done it for long periods of time, like myself, suffer as a result.

I speak for us all here, whether they've agreed to it or not, when I say, shut up Jocabia...what makes you the weight loss expert, huh? If I want to push pro-ana websites and starvation diets, who are you to get up on your high horse and find fault with my posts?

:p

Hehe. I've missed you so much, Neesika. Are you posting naked? Because really there is nothing better than you being naked and pretending to be upset with me so I can make it up to you.

If you're in a situation that requires you run five miles, kiss your ass goodbye. Also, it's not as if a person who bikes daily isn't going to be capable of running if necessary. His/her legs will be stronger, his/her endurance just as strong and his/her joints will be in better shape and less prone to injury. Bikes for the win.

Also, the guy who bikes is more likely to have a fantastic ass. To which I can attest. Fantastic ass. Bikes for the win indeed.

As to your inquiry, I'm posting in chain mail and boiled leather, and I've got a studded dildo with your name on it. Bend over.

Also, the guy who bikes is more likely to have a fantastic ass. To which I can attest. Fantastic ass. Bikes for the win indeed.

As to your inquiry, I'm posting in chain mail and boiled leather, and I've got a studded dildo with your name on it. Bend over.

Okay. For the record, I have chain mail I made with own two hands and I'm a HUGE bicyclist. Thanks for the compliment, but you should see my front.

You can borrow the chainmail. You may be well endowed, but I'm certain if it fits on my chest it'll fit on yours.

Also, the guy who bikes is more likely to have a fantastic ass. To which I can attest. Fantastic ass. Bikes for the win indeed.

I must disagree. If it's fantastic asses you want, it's got to be hockey for the win, which you should very well know, Canadian!

I can find no fault in this post. Dammit.

I make copious use of the Firefox spellchecker.

I'm posting in chain mail and boiled leather, and I've got a studded dildo with your name on it. Bend over.
This should be the default sigline, kinda like rstln & e on Wheel of Fortune.

Also, the guy who bikes is more likely to have a fantastic ass. To which I can attest. Fantastic ass. Bikes for the win indeed.



I must disagree. If it's fantastic asses you want, it's got to be hockey for the win, which you should very well know, Canadian!

Well, that settles it, bicycle hockey for me! Hello, ladies...

There are tons of ways to increase your leg strength and stamina without pounding the crap out of your joints.

There is nothing to disagree with. You're talking about your experience after a short time. The FACT is that after prolonged running you're at huge risk of permanent joint injury that simply doesn't exist with other excercises.

Football makes you stronger, too, but if simply getting fit is your goal, football is a stupid way to do it.
Is there a way to run without risking permanent joint injury? I kind of don't have a choice about running, so I'd like to be able to do it in the safest way possible. (And it IS fun, too...)

Similair to my weight loss method. Go insane, get prescribed lot's of drugs that tear your stomach to shreds, and then basically feel nauseous all the time and stop wanting to eat. It's all the better if you're already 108lbs before it happens.
WARNING- May lead to accusations of eating disorders from close friends and family members.

ouch!

I know what you mean about the accusations tho. because I kept my condition secret (Divers never really goes away) alot of people ask me "what's my secret". then they turn green when I tell them.

I usually start it off with... "Well, I really DON'T recommend my method..."

Is there a way to run without risking permanent joint injury? I kind of don't have a choice about running, so I'd like to be able to do it in the safest way possible. (And it IS fun, too...)

I think an Elliptical machine manufactures much the same movement without the impact.

Well, that settles it, bicycle hockey for me! Hello, ladies...
Don't set your sights too low - i could totally see you astride a unicycle.

I probably need to gain weight, actually -- 5'9"/175cm and 120lbs/55kg, and I look it. If you have ten or fifteen pounds you'd like to get rid of, feel free to send them this way.

Is there a way to run without risking permanent joint injury? I kind of don't have a choice about running, so I'd like to be able to do it in the safest way possible. (And it IS fun, too...)

Not really, Kyr. I'm not saying no one should run. There are reasons to do it and the military has a damn good one, but it's not a good idead to make it your way to control your weight. You were smart about it. Walking is much better for you.

As someone else mentioned ellypticals are a good idea. It won't kill you to run as necessary in the military. However, as you go along, it's worth mixing in stuff that won't leave you with knees that hate your dirty guts like mine do.

Intestinal flu worked great. Lost 10 pounds in 2 days stayin' up playing pool, eating grilled onions in potatoes au gratin. And a little milk.

If you have ten or fifteen pounds you'd like to get rid of, feel free to send them this way.Easily. There's a lot of fat in the heads of United States rightwingers, and i don't mean the brain kind. Must be a natural biological reaction to all the nasty and despicably dirty things on their minds.
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I must say I was half hoping someone would misinterpret that and send me e-£10 instead. But granted.

Well, that settles it, bicycle hockey for me! Hello, ladies...

That sounds ridiculously fun, and also like something UCSC would have as an intramural. ;)

I probably need to gain weight, actually -- 5'9"/175cm and 120lbs/55kg, and I look it. If you have ten or fifteen pounds you'd like to get rid of, feel free to send them this way.

As we are almost the same height and 12 pounds apart, I'll split the difference with you. ;)

Not really, Kyr. I'm not saying no one should run. There are reasons to do it and the military has a damn good one, but it's not a good idead to make it your way to control your weight. You were smart about it. Walking is much better for you.

As someone else mentioned ellypticals are a good idea. It won't kill you to run as necessary in the military. However, as you go along, it's worth mixing in stuff that won't leave you with knees that hate your dirty guts like mine do.

Or a back that does. Since we're on the subject of ruining our bodies with good intentions, I'd like to warn anyone with any family history of back surgeries to stay away from trampolines.

I got one when I was 10 (the giant kind, not the little one) and it was great fun for many years, but as I went through high school it really started to hurt my back whenever I used it (admittedly not often).

At 18 I had back surgery (disk ablation) in the same place my mom had it at 35. She was a runner; I never was, but I bet that damn trampoline did some damage.

Or a back that does. Since we're on the subject of ruining our bodies with good intentions, I'd like to warn anyone with any family history of back surgeries to stay away from trampolines.


I warn anyone who doesn't fancy massive back problems in a few years to stay the fuck away from anything more than very onece in a while ttrampolining.

Another 2 lbs, I have to wear a belt now :). For those of you who are wondering, no I didn't change what I eat, I merely changed how I eat. I eat whatever I feel like eating; not too many people I've met around here can say they lost 2 pounds while eating cheeseburgers and pizzas :p. I only eat during meals and if I snack I do it lightly; the only true dietary change I've made is less things containing caffiene to avoid the crash it causes me to have sometimes so I can keep my energy up.

Another 2 lbs, I have to wear a belt now :).

Good job!

I've managed to maintain my current weight for nearly a month now. In the long run, I think I could lose just a tiny bit more, but for now I'm very happy, especially since I noticed that it's not really an effort at all to keep this weight. In addition, my boyfriend will be back shortly and I hope to get substantial amounts of, uh, extra exercise done from then on.

Good job!

I've managed to maintain my current weight for nearly a month now. In the long run, I think I could lose just a tiny bit more, but for now I'm very happy, especially since I noticed that it's not really an effort at all to keep this weight. In addition, my boyfriend will be back shortly and I hope to get substantial amounts of, uh, extra exercise done from then on.

Lucky you.. I wish I had that amount of extra activity.

Ok, so why not a dieting thread? Who else here is trying to loose some weight and by what means? Is it working?
Maybe we can get together and cry on each other's shoulders as a way of relieving the stress that some diets cause (and they do).


Me, I am a strapping male that stands 6 feet and 4 inches tall and was in the 250 lbs area. I know that to avoid potential health problems in my future I'm going to need to lose wieght so I recenlty set my goal about 4 weeks ago to at least 27 and 1/2 pounds lighter in no more than 6 months which would bring me down to a healthier 220 lbs area. In the last 4 weeks I have shed 6 lbs or so and I am chugging along fine. Thus far the only truly serious adjustment I made beleive it or not is to increase my motabolism by ensuring that I eat three actual meals a day. I even have a schedule, between the hours of 6 and 9:30 am I will have breakfast, between 11 am and 1 pm I will do my best to fit in lunch, and between 5 and 8 pm I will have eaten dinner. I don't always get right on time but I do my best. This in itself has helped me shed 1 1/2 pounds a week. I'm going to take it further by adding a reguler regimen of light cardio between lunch and dinner.

So like I said, who else is looking to shed some pounds and what measures have you taken?

good luck with that :)

i'm about 18 stone and just about 6 foot. i don't look like a blob though, largely because i must still have a fair bit of muscle mass from being very active/sporty when i was younger. so that's good.

i just got Wii Fit two days ago, and i've lost 2lbs already... which isn't much, but measuring it (and having a pretty graph) is already helping me be more aware of what i'm eating, etc. i plan to get My Health Coach: Manage Your Weight for my DS soon, to compliment the Wii Fit.

its not much, but its better than nothing. i also realised i needed to lose weight or i'll get ill in the future, and i sure as hell don't want to end up with diabetes. plus, losing a little weight will help me feel more confident about myself, especially in public :)

the major turning point with my issues with weight was starting to get over depression. when i was depressed, i felt the only pleasure left in life was food... on which i would gorge myself. and the idea of getting ill or dying as a result of my eating wasn't a deterrent when i spent most of my day thinking about suicide anyway. those were some pretty big hurdles to get over, but i'm starting to see the other side, and care about what happens to myself. its still not easy, and i have many habits and engrained ways of thinking, not to mention a difficult lifestyle to work being fit into, but for the first time, i'm trying :)


there you go, my wee story :salute:

Lucky you.. I wish I had that amount of extra activity.

Well, right now it's still all wishful thinking. He's not back yet, and judging from prior experience, he'll never want even only half as much sex as I do.. but we'll see. Maybe his change'll cover even that area.

Well, right now it's still all wishful thinking. He's not back yet, and judging from prior experience, he'll never want even only half as much sex as I do.. but we'll see. Maybe his change'll cover even that area.

Find someone with a higher labido? I'll aply for the job! :D (j/p)

i just got Wii Fit two days ago, and i've lost 2lbs already... which isn't much, but measuring it (and having a pretty graph) is already helping me be more aware of what i'm eating, etc. i plan to get My Health Coach: Manage Your Weight for my DS soon, to compliment the Wii Fit.
Yeh, I'm like that too. I need pretty graphs and schedules and spreadsheets and visualizations to keep me motivated. Nothing makes me happier than charting my results with little dots and multicolored connecting lines and all that :)

plus, losing a little weight will help me feel more confident about myself, especially in public :)

See, I don't have a problem with my more weighty body in public, but I do have a habit of running around in my underwear at home, and losing the weight makes me more comfortable keeping that up when suddenly I have someone else being there when I do that :)

Find someone with a higher labido? I'll aply for the job! :D (j/p)

I always try to repair my stuff before I buy new things. Also, I think orthographic skills are a huge turn-on, and he, while not perfect, satisfies me more in that department than you do. ;P

*snip*

I hear Wii fit is a lot of fun! I know how depression can change things since I've suffered from it a few times; the thing that kept me going in those days is I realized how unbelivably selfish I was being by acting as if I was the only person with problems. Glad you have gotten passed that; now its time to repair the damage to yourself you did in that period, good luck!

I always try to repair my stuff before I buy new things. Also, I think orthographic skills are a huge turn-on, and he, while not perfect, satisfies me more in that department than you do. ;P

Orthographic skills?

Yeh, I'm like that too. I need pretty graphs and schedules and spreadsheets and visualizations to keep me motivated. Nothing makes me happier than charting my results with little dots and multicolored connecting lines and all that :)


its the old "out of sight, out of mind" thing. if i try to keep things in my head, i'll forget to weigh myself, or just slack off eating well and pig out. but if there's something, or someone, giving me a little nudge in the right direction when i need it, then i can stay on track. when Glitzi is down here, she's a great influence on me (and will, on occasion, act more like my mum in a food shop than my girlfriend :p), but when she's not here it can be all too easy to let things fall by the wayside...

and, of course, if this is a long(ish) term goal, and seeing results is not at all instant, graphing progress is a pretty obvious way of staying engaged.


See, I don't have a problem with my more weighty body in public, but I do have a habit of running around in my underwear at home, and losing the weight makes me more comfortable keeping that up when suddenly I have someone else being there when I do that :)

i mostly just don't let it get to me, but its always there, even when i'm around my g/f sometimes. occasionally i'll wonder how on earth she thinks i'm "sexy", but lets not go there because that's a whole other can of worms http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/Smilies%20and%20animated%20stuff/1129.gif

Orthographic skills?

Yes. You know, spelling.

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Somebody saved the old smilies! All hail! So I send the worship cookies to Gravlen?

Well, right now it's still all wishful thinking. He's not back yet, and judging from prior experience, he'll never want even only half as much sex as I do.. but we'll see. Maybe his change'll cover even that area.

Okay now you really are starting to worry me.

Yes. You know, spelling.



Somebody saved the old smilies! All hail! So I send the worship cookies to Gravlen?

I knew what you meant, it just sounds.. well wierd...

My spelling is generally very good. I post from work on a work computer because I have no net at home, one with no spell checker and a keyboard that is alien to me; seriously like changes every day. On top of it I am tired because I've been up all night doing my I'm 24 and want to have fun on Saturday night thing... and I really can't concern myself with my spelling on a chat forum. Not to make excuses, just as a means of explaining. Its also why my posts are usually really short.

I hear Wii fit is a lot of fun! I know how depression can change things since I've suffered from it a few times; the thing that kept me going in those days is I realized how unbelivably selfish I was being by acting as if I was the only person with problems. Glad you have gotten passed that; now its time to repair the damage to yourself you did in that period, good luck!
thank you :)

Somebody saved the old smilies! All hail! So I send the worship cookies to Gravlen?

it wasn't me.... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13850676#post13850676
but i'll have the cookies anyway ;-)

Okay now you really are starting to worry me.

How do you mean?


it wasn't me.... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13850676#post13850676
but i'll have the cookies anyway ;-)

Okay.
I guess I better run that by Glitzi whether you may have them.

How do you mean?

Just that there are certain things one can change with a bit of work. I've found that libido is rarely one of those things.

Just that there are certain things one can change with a bit of work. I've found that libido is rarely one of those things.

I'll try and see (and inform you promptly, of course).