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Bushies Snowman's passed away...


ony Snow, the former White House press secretary and conservative pundit who bedeviled the press corps and charmed millions as a FOX News television and radio host, has died after a long bout with cancer. He was 53.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,381250,00.html

Telling lies for a living eats at the soul eventually.

Telling lies for a living eats at the soul eventually.

No it doesn't, or being a politician would be fatal.

Who?

Cancer is not a way I'd wish for anyone to go....:(

Whoa, that was kind of sudden. I knew he had cancer, but I didn't realize how advanced it was.

Oh well. I can't say I really liked the guy, but then, he never really did anything more egregious than being a Republican mouth-piece. It's too bad.

Cancer is not a way I'd wish for anyone to go....:(
This.

Rest in peace Mr. Snow.


You know, I've always found it interesting that some of the most compassionate and nice people can tap dance on someones grave as much as they do. It seems that many of them take the ideal and paste it on the person, thinking that, with that persons death, the ideal is somehow weakened or destroyed.

Tony Snow was both witty, funny, and caring. Looking over his life outside of the media shows a good and gracious man. I did not like him when he was CYA for the White House, but I would never wish a cancer death on anyone. My grandfather died of colon cancer. I saw how it literally destroyed a SSGT who served gallantly in WW2. RIP Tony Snow, you will be missed from this Earth. I will not miss you as the public face of the Bush administration, but as a human being.

This.

Rest in peace Mr. Snow.


You know, I've always found it interesting that some of the most compassionate and nice people can tap dance on someones grave as much as they do. It seems that many of them take the ideal and paste it on the person, thinking that, with that persons death, the ideal is somehow weakened or destroyed.

But he's a Republican.

But he's a Republican.

I almost peed myself. :D



Seriously though, as much as I am sorry that he died from cancer and all, but is it necessary to start a thread on every "famous" person that has died? What about the millions of people without the 15 mins of fame?

I almost peed myself. :D



Seriously though, as much as I am sorry that he died from cancer and all, but is it necessary to start a thread on every "famous" person that has died? What about the millions of people without the 15 mins of fame?

Because normal people are boring.

I suggest sphincter strengthening exercises.

But he's a Republican.

Indeed.

*Dances*

Hello, my baby, hello, my honey, hello, my rag-time gal! Send me a kiss by wire! Baby, my heart's on fire...

Ahh another thread where the people of NSG toast the death of another human being.

*shakes head and walks away*

Ahh another thread where the people of NSG toast the death of another human being.

*shakes head and walks away*

Define "human being".

Define "human being".

Someone who is a member of the Homo sapiens?

Ahh another thread where the people of NSG toast the death of another human being.

*shakes head and walks away*
Should I be surprised when they toast my death?

Ahh another thread where the people of NSG toast the death of another human being.

*shakes head and walks away*
Definitely one of the less appealing things about those that are left here.

You know what? It is time. It's been memorable, but the fun is fast evaporating. See y'all.

Someone who is a member of the Homo sapiens?

You sure he was?

You sure he was?
:rolleyes:

I would like to pie you. Seriously.

:p

:rolleyes:

I would like to pie you. Seriously.

:p

And I would like to take a dump on Henry Kissinger's grave. Get me the means to do this and I'll allow you to do that. ;)

Fuck cancer.

First of all I'd like to say go to hell to the assholes who celebrate the death of man because he had a different ideology than they did.

That being said: There is a huge lesson here.

If you are approaching 50 years of age, man up, call your doctor, and schedule a colonoscopy. A colonoscopy is the only way for colon cancer to be detected prior to the appearance of symptoms (which usually occur after a localized cancer has become metastatic).

And I would like to take a dump on Henry Kissinger's grave. Get me the means to do this and I'll allow you to do that. ;)
I don't need your permission actually...

*pies Heikoku*

:D

You sure he was?

you're an ass.

Ah that's sad. I feel bad for him, he was too young.

you're an ass.

Yes, and he helped the elephants. Which is why I'm glad. Is that so hard to grasp? o_O

Jesse Helms I can see some people not really respecting because of his extreme views and how they affected many people. Tony Snow was a man doing a job in the public eye. He had constraints and pressures on him while he was Press Secretary, same as we all do in our jobs. Nobody but he can know what he was thinking as he bobbed, weaved, and sometimes snidely snarled at what were, occasionally, pretty stupid or unconscionably baited questions from the press. That was his job.

For those who are tap-dancing on the man's tomb, can I ask what you would do in a situation where you and your family's livelihood depended on you doing a job that was unpopular? Unless you know the man personally, I don't see where any of you have the right to judge him in life or death. Doing the latter just makes you pathetic vultures. I'm not saying the man was a saint -- I'm saying that, like you, I DON'T KNOW HIM. And even if I did, judging him is not my job, nor is it any of yours.

So kindly re-think your holier-than-thou horseshit and cut the man a break.

Yes, and he helped the elephants. Which is why I'm glad. Is that so hard to grasp? o_O

Yes it is. Is everyone who works for someone unpopular suddenly worth such derision? What if he'd been a relative of yours who saw politics differently than you? Would you honestly so disown someone you knew just because they had a job you didn't like?

Yes it is. Is everyone who works for someone unpopular suddenly worth such derision? What if he'd been a relative of yours who saw politics differently than you? Would you honestly so disown someone you knew just because they had a job you didn't like?

You seem to think I care about my relatives. What an odd concept.

You seem to think I care about my relatives. What an odd concept.

:rolleyes:

Oh yes, you're so very cool and detached for dissing on your own family. Look, it was an example, okay? Insert person you DO care about, if you like. The point still stands. The fact that you addressed what you did instead of the asshattery of pissing on someone's grave is telling.

:rolleyes:

Oh yes, you're so very cool and detached for dissing on your own family. Look, it was an example, okay? Insert person you DO care about, if you like. The point still stands. The fact that you addressed what you did instead of the asshattery of pissing on someone's grave is telling.

Let me put it this way. Do you know what foreigners see when they look at the Republican Party as it currently is? The National Socialist Party of Germany, circa 1930.

Snow worked for a party that has tried, at every opportunity, to make the world a worse place. He was the mouthpiece of a genocidal maniac who believes he's doing God's will. I don't wish suffering upon him, but the less help Republicans get, the better.

jesse Helms I Can See Some People Not Really Respecting Because Of His Extreme Views And How They Affected Many People. Tony Snow Was A Man Doing A Job In The Public Eye. He Had Constraints And Pressures On Him While He Was Press Secretary, Same As We All Do In Our Jobs. Nobody But He Can Know What He Was Thinking As He Bobbed, Weaved, And Sometimes Snidely Snarled At What Were, Occasionally, Pretty Stupid Or Unconscionably Baited Questions From The Press. That Was His Job.

For Those Who Are Tap-dancing On The Man's Tomb, Can I Ask What You Would Do In A Situation Where You And Your Family's Livelihood Depended On You Doing A Job That Was Unpopular? Unless You Know The Man Personally, I Don't See Where Any Of You Have The Right To Judge Him In Life Or Death. Doing The Latter Just Makes You Pathetic Vultures. I'm Not Saying The Man Was A Saint -- I'm Saying That, Like You, I Don't Know Him. And Even If I Did, Judging Him Is Not My Job, Nor Is It Any Of Yours.

So Kindly Re-think Your Holier-than-thou Horseshit And Cut The Man A Break.

Qft

Snow did not enact the policies he publicized, he didn't hav ea choice in what he said, he did his job, and if it wasn't him doing it, someone else would have done it pretty much the same.

I don't celebrate his death, nor believe that the world is better off without him, it's not like he created the evils, he just spoke about them, which others would have in his absence.

On the other hand, he did choose of his own free will, to be the mouthpiece of the whitehouse, and attempt to sell to the american public, the unadvised, disastrous, and quite possibly illegal activities of a corrupt administration. I have nothing but contempt for that decision. But that doesn't mean I think it's better that he's dead.

But it also doesn't mean that now that he's dead I suddenly need to respect the man, when he never earned such respect in his life.

Let me put it this way. Do you know what foreigners see when they look at the Republican Party as it currently is? The National Socialist Party of Germany, circa 1930.

Snow worked for a party that has tried, at every opportunity, to make the world a worse place. He was the mouthpiece of a genocidal maniac who believes he's doing God's will. I don't wish suffering upon him, but the less help Republicans get, the better.

Wow, where to start with this...So what race has Bush committed genocide against?

Also, /Godwin

Let me put it this way. Do you know what foreigners see when they look at the Republican Party as it currently is? The National Socialist Party of Germany, circa 1930.

Snow worked for a party that has tried, at every opportunity, to make the world a worse place. He was the mouthpiece of a genocidal maniac who believes he's doing God's will. I don't wish suffering upon him, but the less help Republicans get, the better.

Then those foreigners are quite silly. To equate the modern Republican Party with the National Socialists is offensive not only to Republicans but to people actually harmed by the Nazis. "Genocidal maniac?" When the Bush Administration starts to systematically kill all Arab-Americans, then that label will apply.

Let me put it this way. Do you know what foreigners see when they look at the Republican Party as it currently is? The National Socialist Party of Germany, circa 1930.

Snow worked for a party that has tried, at every opportunity, to make the world a worse place. He was the mouthpiece of a genocidal maniac who believes he's doing God's will. I don't wish suffering upon him, but the less help Republicans get, the better.

I grant that the Bush administration has worked hard to obliterate a lot of what Republicans, Democrats, and the people in general have traditionally held dear, and that Tony Snow took the job of Chief PR Guy in that system. For that I have some distaste for the fellow. However, is it in any way civilized to cheer at the funeral of someone with whom you disagree?

I have no intention of gloating should Jesse Jackson, Nancy Pelosi, or Teddy Kennedy kick the bucket. Why do so many who claim to belong to the party of inclusion, compassion, and reason turn out to party when an ideological opponent dies? I haven't even seen anything this crazy on freerepubic.com, though I admit I visit there rarely.

Let me put it this way. Do you know what foreigners see when they look at the Republican Party as it currently is? The National Socialist Party of Germany, circa 1930.

Snow worked for a party that has tried, at every opportunity, to make the world a worse place. He was the mouthpiece of a genocidal maniac who believes he's doing God's will. I don't wish suffering upon him, but the less help Republicans get, the better.

Wow. Because ALL foreigners believe that, right? And you know this because you've polled all of them, and they all said "yup, Nazis, right around 1930."

Horseshit again. Why is it that people feel so free to bandy terms like genocide and Nazi around so lightly? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. No matter what the crimes of the Bush Administration are or turn out to be, the Final Solution is not one of them. This is a liberal saying this. I'm no Bush fan, even remotely, but I know abuse of rhetoric when I read it. You do your side no favors with hyperbolic appeals to mis-drawn parallels.

Look, I am all for people expressing themselves, and if you had a persona problem with Tony Snow from his pre WHPS days or had some other reason not to like the man, that's fine, we don't even have to know about it. But to claim that he's effectively Joseph Goebbels is blatant hyperbole, and you know it.

Qft

I don't know why your quote box capitalizes everything, but when you quote me, would you please turn that off? Those who don't go back to the post you're quoting may think I'm a tool or something.

Thanks.

I don't know why your quote box capitalizes everything, but when you quote me, would you please turn that off? Those who don't go back to the post you're quoting may think I'm a tool or something.

Thanks.

I have no control over that, sorry.

Wow. Because ALL foreigners believe that, right? And you know this because you've polled all of them, and they all said "yup, Nazis, right around 1930."
There was a poll? :eek: I wasn't asked. :( I would've said, "Yup, the Nationalist Party of Brutland, right around 1492."

Wow, where to start with this...So what race has Bush committed genocide against?

Also, /Godwin

Nationality, Iraqi.

Tony Snow was both witty, funny, and caring. Looking over his life outside of the media shows a good and gracious man. I did not like him when he was CYA for the White House, but I would never wish a cancer death on anyone. My grandfather died of colon cancer. I saw how it literally destroyed a SSGT who served gallantly in WW2. RIP Tony Snow, you will be missed from this Earth. I will not miss you as the public face of the Bush administration, but as a human being.

That stinks
:eek: :sniper:

Indeed.

*Dances*

Hello, my baby, hello, my honey, hello, my rag-time gal! Send me a kiss by wire! Baby, my heart's on fire...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QGE8wVTvHF0

Okay, you know what?

Heikoku 2, I have lost all my respect for you. Because celebrating the death of a man who honestly thought what he was doing was good for his country is a vile thing, a disgusting thing.

I'm a conservative, big-time. I rarely have ever even come close to agreeing with Ted Kennedy. But when I heard that he had a stroke, I did not rejoice.

I felt sad. I sympathized with him (I have an aunt that had a stroke). I didn't look at his politics, I looked at his service to the country.

Decades of work as a very powerful and influential U.S. Senator.

Obviously, Ted Kennedy cares about America just as much I do. We both want America to be the best it can be, we just disagree on how to make it such.

No other conservatives I talked to about Kennedy's stroke felt happy about his pain. We felt sad, because a man who had done so much for his country had just suffered an event that could have been fatal.

I never celebrate the death of an innocent man who merely disagrees with me on policy. I am glad to see most of Nationstates agrees with me on that.

Tony Snow, rest in peace.

Ted Kennedy, I'm glad to see you are doing much better.

This isn't about politics, it's about compassion.

Okay, you know what?

Heikoku 2, I have lost all my respect for you.

(snip)

This isn't about politics, it's about compassion.

Uhm, didn't know you, didn't know you had any. :confused:

With so much at stake, it ceases to be about compassion. There may be a downside to his death, though: In his death, he unifies conservatives and distracts from Phil's "nation of whiners" declaration. Mmm.

Nationality, Iraqi.

So Bush is systematically killing every Iraqi man, woman, and child?

So, where are the Concentration camps again?

Once again, /Godwin You Phail at the Internet.

I feel justified in asking....





when did NSG decide it was ok to act like fred phelps?

I feel justified in asking....





when did NSG decide it was ok to act like fred phelps?

They've taken the phrase "If you can't beat them, join them" to new heights. *nod*

So Bush is systematically killing every Iraqi man, woman, and child?

So, where are the Concentration camps again?

Once again, /Godwin You Phail at the Internet.

Okay, not systematically, so not a genocidal killer. Just your ordinary, run-of-the-mill, psychopath RUNNING A NATION.

No, Heikoku 2, there is never "so much at stake" that the death of an innocent man that disagreed with you should be celebrated.

It is a line you shouldn't cross.

I can pull the same "Genocide" line on you, now.

Your celebration of the death of a person that disagrees with you means you are alright with others that disagree with you dying, therefore, you are an advocate for the death of people that disagree with you, just like Hitler or Stalin.

See? That makes no sense.

Well, your assertion that Tony Snow supported a genocidal regime falls into the same category.

Okay, not systematically, so not a genocidal killer. Just your ordinary, run-of-the-mill, psychopath RUNNING A NATION.

You should quit while you're behind.

No, Heikoku 2, there is never "so much at stake" that the death of an innocent man that disagreed with you should be celebrated.

It is a line you shouldn't cross.

I can pull the same "Genocide" line on you, now.

Your celebration of the death of a person that disagrees with you means you are alright with others that disagree with you dying, therefore, you are an advocate for the death of people that disagree with you, just like Hitler or Stalin.

See? That makes no sense.

Well, your assertion that Tony Snow supported a genocidal regime falls into the same category.

Good, you argue well. However, in my defense, it began with just an imitation of Michigan J. Frog - which Mur got real well.

However, if you must know, I do think about his life or death in terms of what's more useful to prevent more innocents from biting it. Bush, right now, is causing innocents to die. Snow was involved in politics that were related to Bush. Ergo, it's, literally, about what hurts Republicans the most. Because if they get elected again, more people will die than if they don't. It's all very simple.

You should quit while you're behind.

Meh, you know what they say. Quitting is for quitters.

Meh, you know what they say. Quitting is for quitters.

*ahem* You know what they say...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/tempalbum/stupidity.jpg

Good, you argue well. However, in my defense, it began with just an imitation of Michigan J. Frog - which Mur got real well.

However, if you must know, I do think about his life or death in terms of what's more useful to prevent more innocents from biting it. Bush, right now, is causing innocents to die. Snow was involved in politics that were related to Bush. Ergo, it's, literally, about what hurts Republicans the most. Because if they get elected again, more people will die than if they don't. It's all very simple.

I agree that the Michael J. Frog post was interpreted a bit too strongly, however, you dug your own hole by your latter posts.

As to your argument, it's never that simple.

For starters, that is quite the slippery slope right there. Are you telling me that the death of Tony Snow is going to save people? For starters, he would have had no influence on the election outcome other than his one vote, really.

Second, you're treating Republicans as if they are all evil. As a conservative myself, I take offense to that. I don't support the death of innocents, I greatly oppose that. Anytime I hear about the deaths of innocents in Iraq, I am disgusted.

Third, you're treating it as though Bush is up for re-election. He isn't. McCain is and he is more moderate than Bush.

Finally, the death of an innocent man should never be celebrated as a way to win an election, especially when that man had no influence in the election whatsoever.

*ahem* You know what they say...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/tempalbum/stupidity.jpg

Well-played! :D

Good, you argue well. However, in my defense, it began with just an imitation of Michigan J. Frog - which Mur got real well.

However, if you must know, I do think about his life or death in terms of what's more useful to prevent more innocents from biting it. Bush, right now, is causing innocents to die. Snow was involved in politics that were related to Bush. Ergo, it's, literally, about what hurts Republicans the most. Because if they get elected again, more people will die than if they don't. It's all very simple.

So long as you remember that when a spokesman for one of your political heroes dies and those who think the same as you do dance on that person's grave. So much as a peep out of you on that day marks you as the worst kind of hypocrite.

Well-played! :D

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

I agree that the Michael J. Frog post was interpreted a bit too strongly, however, you dug your own hole by your latter posts.

As to your argument, it's never that simple.

For starters, that is quite the slippery slope right there. Are you telling me that the death of Tony Snow is going to save people? For starters, he would have had no influence on the election outcome other than his one vote, really.

Second, you're treating Republicans as if they are all evil. As a conservative myself, I take offense to that. I don't support the death of innocents, I greatly oppose that. Anytime I hear about the deaths of innocents in Iraq, I am disgusted.

Third, you're treating it as though Bush is up for re-election. He isn't. McCain is and he is more moderate than Bush.

Finally, the death of an innocent man should never be celebrated as a way to win an election, especially when that man had no influence in the election whatsoever.

1- Well, now that I think about it, as I said, his death could be used by Republicans to distract from Phil's remarks, for instance. Which makes me quite sadder about it, really.

2- Bush, on the other hand, pushed the war through.

3- By what? 5%?

So long as you remember that when a spokesman for one of your political heroes dies and those who think the same as you do dance on that person's grave. So much as a peep out of you on that day marks you as the worst kind of hypocrite.

Oh, I have no political heroes. Right now there's only "will they or won't they stop acting like manifest destiny is a viable ideology".

1- Well, now that I think about it, as I said, his death could be used by Republicans to distract from Phil's remarks, for instance. Which makes me quite sadder about it, really.

2- Bush, on the other hand, pushed the war through.

3- By what? 5%?

1 - That just makes it worse that the only reason you are sad is that it might help Republicans.

2 - Just because Republicans were originally for it does not mean we can't change our minds. We don't support the death of innocents. We support the elimination of terrorists.

3 - More than that. In fact, a lot of conservatives are going to try to stop him from winning, because he's so much more moderate.

And you didn't answer my last point.

"I'm a very lucky guy."

~Tony Snow.....OWNED

1 - That just makes it worse that the only reason you are sad is that it might help Republicans.

2 - Just because Republicans were originally for it does not mean we can't change our minds. We don't support the death of innocents. We support the elimination of terrorists.

3 - More than that. In fact, a lot of conservatives are going to try to stop him from winning, because he's so much more moderate.

And you didn't answer my last point.

1- Yeah, well.

2- A war on flimsy evidence against a hapless country generates terrorists, rather than eliminating them. Democrats are the ones who support eliminating terrorists, as they were against this war.

3- He still supports the war in Iraq. Plus the fact that many conservatives will try to stop him from winning is just swell.

Okay, I'll bite: The guy served as spokesman for an administration that should be being held in The Hague as we speak. Define "innocent".

So long as you remember that when a spokesman for one of your political heroes dies and those who think the same as you do dance on that person's grave. So much as a peep out of you on that day marks you as the worst kind of hypocrite.

actually that's not necessarily true. If I for example, and purely for example, believe the republicans will destroy america, and the democrats will save america, I may feel that anything that weakens the chance of republican power is a cause to be celebrated, while the death of someone who would help democrats gain power is something to be mourned.

If I were to take that perspective, I may well be happy if John McCain would die tomorrow, but be very upset if Obama did. Likewise, me saying that people who celebrate the death of Obama are wrong, while I would celebrate the death of McCain doesn't actually make me a hypocrite.

From my perspective, Obama is good for america, McCain is bad for america, and celebrating the death of someone bad for america is good, and celebrating the death of someone good for america is bad. so it wouldn't be hypocritical from that perspective, because, remember, hypocricy is preaching a certain belief, but not acting in that way oneself. If my statement is "it's good to celebrate the death of those bad for america, but bad to celebrate the death of those good for america" I'm in no way being hypocritical condeming those who would celebrate the death of Barak Obama because they would be, from my perspective, be celebrating the death of someone good for america.

actually that's not necessarily true. If I for example, and purely for example, believe the republicans will destroy america, and the democrats will save america, I may feel that anything that weakens the chance of republican power is a cause to be celebrated, while the death of someone who would help democrats gain power is something to be mourned.

If I were to take that perspective, I may well be happy if John McCain would die tomorrow, but be very upset if Obama did. Likewise, me saying that people who celebrate the death of Obama are wrong, while I would celebrate the death of McCain doesn't actually make me a hypocrite.

From my perspective, Obama is good for america, McCain is bad for america, and celebrating the death of someone bad for america is good, and celebrating the death of someone good for america is bad. so it wouldn't be hypocritical from that perspective.

I know you don't necessarily (or even likely) agree with me here, but you nailed it. Right on. Well, perhaps replacing "America" with "the world".

Okay, first Maladorian: Sick. That's just sick.

Second, Heikoku 2:

1. I win that argument because you provided no counter.

2. Democrats have not yet put forth a plan to fight terrorists. Show me this plan.

3. That is because it is a mess that is hard to get out of. It could be successful if McCain would handle it differently. He has been critical of its follow-thru in the past.

4. Bush shouldn't even be charged with a war crime. His only crime was the fact he mishandled the war. The atrocities in Iraq are committed by soldiers acting on their own accord.

Tony Snow also has criticized Bush as well.

Finally, Neo Art, yes, you can technically think that, but it is highly unethical.

Finally, Neo Art, yes, you can technically think that, but it is highly unethical.

Perhaps, but I wasn't speaking on any terms of ethics. Hypocricy merely means that your actions do not conform to your beliefs.

If I believe that men should routinely beat their wives, but I don't ever beat my wife, I'm a hypocrite. But in that instance, it's a good thing that I'm a hypocrite.

Perhaps, but I wasn't speaking on any terms of ethics. Hypocricy merely means that your actions do not conform to your beliefs.

If I believe that men should routinely beat their wives, but I don't ever beat my wife, I'm a hypocrite. But in that instance, it's a good thing that I'm a hypocrite.

True, true.

Okay, first Maladorian: Sick. That's just sick.

Second, Heikoku 2:

1. I win that argument because you provided no counter.

2. Democrats have not yet put forth a plan to fight terrorists. Show me this plan.

3. That is because it is a mess that is hard to get out of. It could be successful if McCain would handle it differently. He has been critical of its follow-thru in the past.

4. Bush shouldn't even be charged with a war crime. His only crime was the fact he mishandled the war. The atrocities in Iraq are committed by soldiers acting on their own accord.

Tony Snow also has criticized Bush as well.

Finally, Neo Art, yes, you can technically think that, but it is highly unethical.

1- Was I arguing that I'm a good person anywhere? :confused:

2- So, you're now demanding that the party that's not in power and has less access to intel has a plan? Nice. However, they did show several plans including getting out of Iraq, where more terrorists are made everyday because of American presence there.

3- It's a mess that shouldn't have been gotten into in the first place, but did anyone listen? Noooo!

4- Torture, for starters.

Where? His life may have had meaning.

From where I see it, celebrating the death of somebody, regardless of what they had done or what they may potentially do if they didn't die, is sick.

You can go on and be happy, but it's best keep it to yourself. Don't celebrate.

From where I see it, celebrating the death of somebody, regardless of what they had done or what they may potentially do if they didn't die, is sick.

You can go on and be happy, but it's best keep it to yourself. Don't celebrate.

But any celebration (for any reason) is FUN!

*Starts handing out party hats* Hey, Neo, will you take care of the drinks? You oughtta know where people are legal... ;)

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But any celebration (for any reason) is FUN!

*Starts handing out party hats* Hey, Neo, will you take care of the drinks? You oughtta know where people are legal... ;)
:rolleyes: *walks out of thread*

:rolleyes: *walks out of thread*

Agreed. Some people are just impossible to reason with.

You can go on and be happy, but it's best keep it to yourself. Don't celebrate.

I dunno about that as a universally true principle. A lot of people celebrated when hitler bit the bullet, and I'm not sure that it was a bad thing that they did.

I dunno about that as a universally true principle. A lot of people celebrated when hitler bit the bullet, and I'm not sure that it was a bad thing that they did.

Plus it's fun to party.

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Mmm. It's a good thing that they're thinking of leaving, but I still hope Obama is the one who does it, because then American people will be admitting the mistake...

Ahh another thread where the people of NSG toast the death of another human being.

*shakes head and walks away*

Typical repugnant behavior from the most repugnant memebers of NS.

Beating a dead messenger?

I dunno about that as a universally true principle. A lot of people celebrated when hitler bit the bullet, and I'm not sure that it was a bad thing that they did.

Are we really now comparing Tony Snow to Hitler. Have you "people" no decency?

Typical repugnant behavior from the most repugnant memebers of NS.

Says the guy whose attempted fearmongering against Obama and intolerance of an entire religion are both legendary.

Are we really now comparing Tony Snow to Hitler. Have you "people" no decency?

Yeah, we aren't decent enough to put quotation marks on the word "people" when using it to address others.

Are we really now comparing Tony Snow to Hitler. Have you "people" no decency?

Mote, plank, eye.

Are we really now comparing Tony Snow to Hitler.

Don't worry, one day you'll learn to read.

Mote, plank, eye.

I really like this usage of ellipsis, conveying the point only through a few words, usually three. Is it usual in normal language or only online?

don't Worry, One Day You'll Learn To Read.

Qflol! :D

I really like this usage of ellipsis, conveying the point only through a few words, usually three. Is it usual in normal language or only online?

It's not common in normal language, but I think I've heard it used.

It's not common in normal language, but I think I've heard it used.

Thanks.

Let me put it this way. Do you know what foreigners see when they look at the Republican Party as it currently is? The National Socialist Party of Germany, circa 1930.

Snow worked for a party that has tried, at every opportunity, to make the world a worse place. He was the mouthpiece of a genocidal maniac who believes he's doing God's will. I don't wish suffering upon him, but the less help Republicans get, the better.

As a person of Jewish descent, I hereby give you the stamp of "Certified F*cking Retard"

Think before you speak, asswipe.

As a person of Jewish descent, I hereby give you the stamp of "Certified F*cking Retard"

Think before you speak, asswipe.

As a person of Dubious descent, I hereby inform you that I don't really care all that much about what you think about me.

As a person of Dubious descent, I hereby inform you that I don't really care all that much about what you think about me.

That is obvious, or else you would respect the dead, both Tony Snow and the six million who died under Hitlers awful, awful reign.

That is obvious, or else you would respect the dead, both Tony Snow and the six million who died under Hitlers awful, awful reign.

Oh, but I do. Well, not Tony Snow, granted, but the six million dead, well, I think they'd be a bit more miffed by the fact that Israel uses them as a political cudgel whenever they wish to treat Palestinians a bit more like Hitler treated the Jewish people.

Regardless, where's the causal link between me not caring what you think and me not respecting the dead?

Hey Heikoku 2,

I happen to notice you're in Brazil. So, I just have to ask you, what kind of media do they have there? Is the most popular media outlet independent or state-run? Knowing the type of government they have in Brazil (allied with the so-called "Bolivarian" ideals of Chavez), I wonder what views of Snow you were able to have access to, and what commentary was made of him or his handling of the job of the Bush administration's mouthpiece. I wouldn't be surprised if there was quite a bit of negative connotation in the commentary.

actually that's not necessarily true. If I for example, and purely for example, believe the republicans will destroy america, and the democrats will save america, I may feel that anything that weakens the chance of republican power is a cause to be celebrated, while the death of someone who would help democrats gain power is something to be mourned.

If I were to take that perspective, I may well be happy if John McCain would die tomorrow, but be very upset if Obama did. Likewise, me saying that people who celebrate the death of Obama are wrong, while I would celebrate the death of McCain doesn't actually make me a hypocrite.

From my perspective, Obama is good for america, McCain is bad for america, and celebrating the death of someone bad for america is good, and celebrating the death of someone good for america is bad. so it wouldn't be hypocritical from that perspective, because, remember, hypocricy is preaching a certain belief, but not acting in that way oneself. If my statement is "it's good to celebrate the death of those bad for america, but bad to celebrate the death of those good for america" I'm in no way being hypocritical condeming those who would celebrate the death of Barak Obama because they would be, from my perspective, be celebrating the death of someone good for america.

Semantics/sophistry.

No wonder you're a lawyer.

If hypocrisy is the wrong charge, would you settle for poor taste?

Also, if you're playing the perspective game, imagine Snow's family and friends for a moment, and what pain they might receive from such jubilation on the day the man dies. Regardless of what you believe, decency has its place.

I suggest sphincter strengthening exercises.
The line starts here, behind Zilam and you? *hums Quad-City DJ's*

Hey Heikoku 2,

I happen to notice you're in Brazil. So, I just have to ask you, what kind of media do they have there? Is the most popular media outlet independent or state-run? Knowing the type of government they have in Brazil (allied with the so-called "Bolivarian" ideals of Chavez), I wonder what views of Snow you were able to have access to, and what commentary was made of him or his handling of the job of the Bush administration's mouthpiece. I wouldn't be surprised if there was quite a bit of negative connotation in the commentary.

You know, I wasn't annoyed by the people calling me callous and so on, but your utter failure to get your facts straight does annoy me:

1- Our media isn't state-run. Indeed most of it is conservatve, as are the three most popular ones.

2- Our president is quite friendly with both Venezuela AND America. That happens because we're not a nation that goes around empire-building. And that after the Washington Times called for Lula's couping out back in 2002, should he be elected.

3- I get my information online from American sources anyways.

4- Tony Snow was the mouthpiece of the administration that invaded a country under false pretenses. We don't NEED negative connotation.

Semantics/sophistry.

No wonder you're a lawyer.

If hypocrisy is the wrong charge, would you settle for poor taste?

Also, if you're playing the perspective game, imagine Snow's family and friends for a moment, and what pain they might receive from such jubilation on the day the man dies. Regardless of what you believe, decency has its place.

I'm sorry, at what point here did I claim to be tasteful?

When Jesse Helms died, I felt the world had become a slightly safer place.

When Dick Cheney finally dies, I will definitely knock back some celebratory martinis because his death will also make the world a slightly safer place.

Nobody is benefitted by Tony Snow's death, so I'm not celebrating, but as I said in the Jesse Helms thread, I'm not going to start pretending I had any respect for him just because he's dead.

Instead I'll quote my mom's first response to the news of Tony Snow's death:

"It's too bad he sold his soul so recently, and never had time to buy it back."

When Jesse Helms died, I felt the world had become a slightly safer place.

When Dick Cheney finally dies, I will definitely knock back some celebratory martinis because his death will also make the world a slightly safer place.

Nobody is benefitted by Tony Snow's death, so I'm not celebrating, but as I said in the Jesse Helms thread, I'm not going to start pretending I had any respect for him just because he's dead.

Instead I'll quote my mom's first response to the news of Tony Snow's death:

"It's too bad he sold his soul so recently, and never had time to buy it back."

And that's why you don't have any reason to be my fan or Neo's, Mur: You're on our level. ;)

Instead I'll quote my mom's first response to the news of Tony Snow's death:

"It's too bad he sold his soul so recently, and never had time to buy it back."

yeah. i always felt sorry for tony snow.

unlike scott mcclellan, tony snow knew that what he was saying was bullshit and he tried so hard to make it make sense. he was never able to just read off what the administration told him to say. he had to try to make is sound right.

and it was always obvious to me that he knew he was selling out.

yeah. i always felt sorry for tony snow.

unlike scott mcclellan, tony snow knew that what he was saying was bullshit and he tried so hard to make it make sense. he was never able to just read off what the administration told him to say. he had to try to make is sound right.

and it was always obvious to me that he knew he was selling out.
And it's the last thing he did that he'll be remembered for. Cautionary tale there. Don't compromise your principles, kids. Not ever. Not for anything. Because you don't want to end up like poor Tony Snow, with all those people tisking over your corpse and saying how good and smart and admirable you used to be before you whored yourself out for a high profile job.

and it was always obvious to me that he knew he was selling out.
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"It's too bad he sold his soul so recently, and never had time to buy it back."

*cue Ifreann's thread pic*

Semantics/sophistry.

My argument was neither confusing nor illogical so pbbbt. As for semantics...

[QUOTE]No wonder you're a lawyer.

A very wise woman once told me "to a lawyer, there's no such thing as semantics, every word is important"

If hypocrisy is the wrong charge, would you settle for poor taste?

Surely.

Also, if you're playing the perspective game, imagine Snow's family and friends for a moment, and what pain they might receive from such jubilation on the day the man dies. Regardless of what you believe, decency has its place.

Never argued otherwise. You have noted, I hope, that I don't intend to celebrate the passing of Tony Snow. But conversely, the mere fact that he's dead doesn't suddenly change the disrespect I had for the man for his choices.

I didn't like him, rather the opposite really.

But I wouldn't wish that kind of death on anyone.

I never liked the man. He...

Indirectly killed 100s of Thousands of people in an illegal war,
Helped confuse the American populace into supporting that,
Was willing in (and so far as I can tell, perfectly content doing) both of the former.

And yet after all that, I feel sad and angry that he died. The very same way I feel sad and angry for each of the people, totaling 100000+, that he indirectly helped kill.

I quote the movie Spartacus (A damn fine movie, btw): "To become like your enemy is to lose to them". Just because I consider a man's actions evil and borderline war criminal, doesn't make me happy that he died. Death is not something you wish on another human being, regardless of their crimes. No one.

When I hear "Never Again", in reference to the Holocaust, I interpret that as meaning Never Again. No more murder, no more happiness or content at another Human being's death. No matter what.

But I wouldn't wish that kind of death on anyone.

Not even my gold digging stepmother?

Never argued otherwise. You have noted, I hope, that I don't intend to celebrate the passing of Tony Snow. But conversely, the mere fact that he's dead doesn't suddenly change the disrespect I had for the man for his choices.

I wouldn't expect any such change. The absence of celebration is the minimum for decency, if you ask me. Otherwise, we get this:

Never liked the man.

Fair enough.

Indirectly killed 100s of Thousands of people in an illegal war,

Wha? By delivering the messages he was hired to deliver? Quite a stretch from actually pulling the trigger to saying "my boss pulled the trigger" to the press.

Helped confuse the American populace into supporting that,

Again, wha? By doing his job?

Was willing in (and so far as I can tell, perfectly content doing) both of the former.

"As far as you can tell", he was also a gifted helicon player. Come on. He was willing insofar as anyone is willing to do their job. If you work for Boeing, you've built weapons that have killed innocent people. Does that make every engineer and machinist I know willing and content to be party to murder? Not remotely. Your idealism is fiery, but misguided.

And yet after all that, I feel sad and angry that he died. The same way I feel sad and angry for each of the people, totaling 100000+, that he indirectly helped kill.

You're going to have to explain in further detail how Tony Snow indirectly killed anyone any more than the secretary to the HR director for General Dynamics indirectly killed anyone. Was he supposed to turn down the chance to work for the President of the United States because you thought he should have? He's a Republican and specialized in public relations and the media. Do you hold Mike McCurry responsible for innocent deaths under Clinton's watch in Sudan and Serbia? Hell, I'll bet even the relatives of the bombed Chinese Embassy don't go that far. Again, nice enthusiasm, unrealistically directed.

I quote the movie Spartacus (A damn fine movie, btw): "To become like your enemy is to lose to them". Just because I consider a man's actions evil and borderline war criminal, doesn't make me happy that he died. Death is not pleasant. I do not wish it on anyone, regardless of their crimes. No one.

Go with this, consider your own crimes and leave it at that before you go judging anyone else.

When I hear "Never Again", in reference to the Holocaust, I mean Never Again. No more murder, no more happiness or content at another Human being's death. No matter what.

So we're supposed to praise you for your remarkable restraint at not cheering someone who you imagine -- stress that term, imagine -- is a mass murderer by association? Sorry, that kind of cognitive dissonance is the province of the administration to which you're so vehemently opposed. If you don't wish to become your enemy, then stop the rank abandonment of nuance -- that's their hallmark.

I didn't like the man, either, but I didn't know him well enough for that to really mean anything. If Snow is a murderer, so is McCurry, George Stephanopolous, Marlon Fitzwater, and just about anyone else who's ever been the press secretary.

The whole gravedancing on Tony Snow is one big celebration of Shooting the Messenger.

Because he happened to be the mouthpiece for the worst administration in United States history that makes him part of the Inner Circle that planned all the brilliant shit like the Iraq Invasion, the Permanent Tax Cuts, the Energy Task Force and the FEMA response to Hurricane Katrina?

Oh please, if being the mouthpiece of bad government made you an accessory to the crime, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf would have been hanged alongside Saddam Hussein.

If representing the worst sort of people verbally was a crime tantamount to collaboration, being a lawyer would be a capital offense.

Hope you folks enjoyed spooging off on Snow's grave, because you're content to shoot the messenger and not bother aiming higher at The Real Targets.

:rolleyes:

Not even my gold digging stepmother?

Nope. My dad died of cancer, you see. I don't think anyone deserves that kind of death.

The whole gravedancing on Tony Snow is one big celebration of Shooting the Messenger.

Because he happened to be the mouthpiece for the worst administration in United States history that makes him part of the Inner Circle that planned all the brilliant shit like the Iraq Invasion, the Permanent Tax Cuts, the Energy Task Force and the FEMA response to Hurricane Katrina?

Oh please, if being the mouthpiece of bad government made you an accessory to the crime, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf would have been hanged alongside Saddam Hussein.

If representing the worst sort of people verbally was a crime tantamount to collaboration, being a lawyer would be a capital offense.

Hope you folks enjoyed spooging off on Snow's grave, because you're content to shoot the messenger and not bother aiming higher at The Real Targets.

:rolleyes:

Then there's the direct approach. Thanks, G.

I don't like what he stood for, but god DAMN that man could talk.

I respect him greatly, and miss him; there have been few white house press secretaries like him.

More grave-dancing. How incredibly classy.

More grave-dancing. How incredibly classy.

It's not even for a backwards troglodite who deserved it like Jesse Helms either.

More grave-dancing. How incredibly classy.

Everyone does it - it just depends on your political leanings - and who you end up dancing on.

Of course, everyone denies that they do it.

Everyone does it - it just depends on your political leanings - and who you end up dancing on.

Of course, everyone denies that they do it.

Oh, if he'd had a sudden heart attack or something else that was quick, I might indulge in it. But cancer? No, he suffered a long time before he died.

Of course, I did smile when Reagan died.

Of course, everyone denies that they do it.

To be sure, I'm not. And I'm not even claiming to be nice. ;)

Indeed.

*Dances*

Hello, my baby, hello, my honey, hello, my rag-time gal! Send me a kiss by wire! Baby, my heart's on fire...

And I would like to take a dump on Henry Kissinger's grave. Get me the means to do this and I'll allow you to do that. ;)

You seem to think I care about my relatives. What an odd concept.

Let me put it this way. Do you know what foreigners see when they look at the Republican Party as it currently is? The National Socialist Party of Germany, circa 1930.

Snow worked for a party that has tried, at every opportunity, to make the world a worse place. He was the mouthpiece of a genocidal maniac who believes he's doing God's will. I don't wish suffering upon him, but the less help Republicans get, the better.

Uhm, didn't know you, didn't know you had any. :confused:

With so much at stake, it ceases to be about compassion. There may be a downside to his death, though: In his death, he unifies conservatives and distracts from Phil's "nation of whiners" declaration. Mmm.

But any celebration (for any reason) is FUN!

*Starts handing out party hats* Hey, Neo, will you take care of the drinks? You oughtta know where people are legal... ;)

Plus it's fun to party.

As a person of Dubious descent, I hereby inform you that I don't really care all that much about what you think about me.

Oh, but I do. Well, not Tony Snow, granted, but the six million dead, well, I think they'd be a bit more miffed by the fact that Israel uses them as a political cudgel whenever they wish to treat Palestinians a bit more like Hitler treated the Jewish people.

Regardless, where's the causal link between me not caring what you think and me not respecting the dead?

I'm sorry, at what point here did I claim to be tasteful?

To be sure, I'm not. And I'm not even claiming to be nice. ;)
The above is definitive proof that you are NO better then the very people you condemn.

The above is definitive proof that you are NO better then the very people you condemn.

Funny. Am I supporting invasions, mass murder and sterelization of people of a given religion? No? Then guess what, YES I AM BETTER! The quoted can be divided among joke posts and remarks about a party that wants more war in Iraq. So, no, CH, it's REALLY not about the most recent stiff to grace the Republican Party's gallery, it's about stopping a goddamn WAR that's way bigger than him. It's about preventing the US from being further run by people whose main belief is "God's with us". THAT'S what's at stake here, and I have no illusions: Whatever helps prevent that party from further wrecking America and the world is fair game. I didn't call for his assassination, I didn't call for the sterelization of Republicans and fundies. I expressed an emotional (at first) and strategical (later on) view of the death of a man that served as mouthpiece for the man that is, currently, responsible for the most death in the world, and one that's striving to make sure global warming is further ignored as well. It's about preventing WWIII with Iran, it's about we having a goddamn PLANET 100 years down the road to live in. It's NOT ABOUT TONY SNOW. And, quite frankly, given that you've been on me quite a few times lately, likely due to our spars in the Obama vs. Hag debate, I feel I must tell you that it's NOT ABOUT YOU EITHER! It's about something bigger than you, me, or him, it's about the WORLD. So you go ahead and keep being sanctimonious about his death, but only after you tell me this: Do you respect him any more in death than you did while he was still changing oxygen into carbon dioxide? If you do, why? Did you care about the well-being, emotional or otherwise, of his family? The other people in his family that died before him? If not, then why now? And, quite frankly, given your typical response to any debates with you and the fact that you're still sour that that harpy you supported lost the election, do tell, would you even bother coming here in this thread and paying your respects (which you didn't) to the poor Mr. Snow, all the while driving-by to flame me, if I weren't here? If someone else had written the same things? Would you? Mmm?

As for Kissinger, he engineered and supported coups all over my continent, including MY COUNTRY. So, let me clarify here, I hope he dies a slow and painful death before my upcoming trip to NY, and is buried there, in such a way that I can take some time off to go spit on his grave, take a picture of it and post it all over the Internet. And given what he did to my country, I have every right to say this and to wish that upon him. And before you get all sanctimonious, tell me how YOU would react if someone did that to YOUR country.

Funny. Am I supporting invasions, mass murder and sterelization of people of a given religion? No? Then guess what, YES I AM BETTER! The quoted can be divided among joke posts and remarks about a party that wants more war in Iraq. So, no, CH, it's REALLY not about the most recent stiff to grace the Republican Party's gallery, it's about stopping a goddamn WAR that's way bigger than him. It's about preventing the US from being further run by people whose main belief is "God's with us". THAT'S what's at stake here, and I have no illusions: Whatever helps prevent that party from further wrecking America and the world is fair game. I didn't call for his assassination, I didn't call for the sterelization of Republicans and fundies. I expressed an emotional (at first) and strategical (later on) view of the death of a man that served as mouthpiece for the man that is, currently, responsible for the most death in the world, and one that's striving to make sure global warming is further ignored as well. It's about preventing WWIII with Iran, it's about we having a goddamn PLANET 100 years down the road to live in. It's NOT ABOUT TONY SNOW. And, quite frankly, given that you've been on me quite a few times lately, likely due to our spars in the Obama vs. Hag debate, I feel I must tell you that it's NOT ABOUT YOU EITHER! It's about something bigger than you, me, or him, it's about the WORLD. So you go ahead and keep being sanctimonious about his death, but only after you tell me this: Do you respect him any more in death than you did while he was still changing oxygen into carbon dioxide? If you do, why? Did you care about the well-being, emotional or otherwise, of his family? The other people in his family that died before him? If not, then why now? And, quite frankly, given your typical response to any debates with you and the fact that you're still sour that that harpy you supported lost the election, do tell, would you even bother coming here in this thread and paying your respects (which you didn't) to the poor Mr. Snow, all the while driving-by to flame me, if I weren't here? If someone else had written the same things? Would you? Mmm?

As for Kissinger, he engineered and supported coups all over my continent, including MY COUNTRY. So, let me clarify here, I hope he dies a slow and painful death before my upcoming trip to NY, and is buried there, in such a way that I can take some time off to go spit on his grave, take a picture of it and post it all over the Internet. And given what he did to my country, I have every right to say this and to wish that upon him. And before you get all sanctimonious, tell me how YOU would react if someone did that to YOUR country.
Methinks you missed the point.

In 2004, 62,040,610 Americans voted for the re-election of George Bush. Furthermore approximately 18,000,000 Americans voted for Hillary Clinton. I doubt that you have enough time, sputum, feces, or urine to defile their final resting places. That is a lot of hatred towards a lot of people, provoking my comment.

As far as the "drive by flaming" accusation, you again have come up with the wrong assumption. When I clicked on this thread, I was not expecting to find your "sanctimonious" attitude stamped all over it, but that is exactly what I discovered. My comment was a reaction to that discovery.

Of course, I did smile when Reagan died.

Pissed that he won the Cold War, and was responsible for bankrupting the former Soviet Union?

Wha? By delivering the messages he was hired to deliver? Quite a stretch from actually pulling the trigger to saying "my boss pulled the trigger" to the press.

"As far as you can tell", he was also a gifted helicon player. Come on. He was willing insofar as anyone is willing to do their job. If you work for Boeing, you've built weapons that have killed innocent people. Does that make every engineer and machinist I know willing and content to be party to murder? Not remotely. Your idealism is fiery, but misguided.

You're going to have to explain in further detail how Tony Snow indirectly killed anyone any more than the secretary to the HR director for General Dynamics indirectly killed anyone. Was he supposed to turn down the chance to work for the President of the United States because you thought he should have? He's a Republican and specialized in public relations and the media. Do you hold Mike McCurry responsible for innocent deaths under Clinton's watch in Sudan and Serbia? Hell, I'll bet even the relatives of the bombed Chinese Embassy don't go that far. Again, nice enthusiasm, unrealistically directed.
He had plenty of opportunities to do something else with his life than speak for the Bush Admin. He could have resigned. He knew what he was reporting, at best, spinning at worst, was terrible, and the fact that he was associating himself with these people. He was in a tough spot, and I would not have stayed if I was him. So let my clarify (I wasn't thinking clearly at the time): He chose to have him be a huge centerpiece of hate for all the Bush Administrations' deeds. He didn't collaborate with them so far as I can tell (Don't watch the mainstream media except on the Daily Show...), but he still chose to be identified with them. I have no idea why anyone would want to do that, but it was his choice to be associated with that. That said, he seems to be universally recognized as being a good person in his family life, and having a family member with cancer, he's not nearly against my morals as any number of people I can think of, and to compare him to them as I did before is hasty and stupid; not weighing all the facts.

Go with this, consider your own crimes and leave it at that before you go judging anyone else.
Read above...I wasn't saying what I really meant at the time. He just made choices I cannot understand for the life of me for a long time. Ones I am very strongly opposed to.

So we're supposed to praise you for your remarkable restraint at not cheering someone who you imagine -- stress that term, imagine -- is a mass murderer by association? Sorry, that kind of cognitive dissonance is the province of the administration to which you're so vehemently opposed. If you don't wish to become your enemy, then stop the rank abandonment of nuance -- that's their hallmark.
I didn't ask to be praised. I wanted to speak my piece, that was all. I don't celebrate anyone's death, no matter what they're said to have done or do. If you think it's self-righteous, then maybe I'll take down the post. I've watched you debate enough to know you're an intelligent person who can discern these sorts of things better than me.

In conclusion, it seems you think I'm a self-righteous arse. Not exactly what I ever intended you to recognize me as, to say the least.

In 2004, 62,040,610 Americans voted for the re-election of George Bush. Furthermore approximately 18,000,000 Americans voted for Hillary Clinton. I doubt that you have enough time, sputum, feces, or urine to defile their final resting places. That is a lot of hatred towards a lot of people, provoking my comment.

As far as the "drive by flaming" accusation, you again have come up with the wrong assumption. When I clicked on this thread, I was not expecting to find your "sanctimonious" attitude stamped all over it, but that is exactly what I discovered. My comment was a reaction to that discovery.

1- You seem to be confusing "being a mouthpiece for Bush" and "voting for Bush/Hillary" with "supporting, engineering and planning coups all over South America that resulted in countless people dead, tortured, disappeared, several countries raped, democracies overturned and wills of peoples ignored", as well as my reactions would be to each one. Whether you're confusing it in order to tar me or out of a lack of comprehension of that text is yours to tell. Talk about wrong assumptions.

2- I doubt that you'd react to anyone else in that way. Especially with the effort you put into hunting my quotes down and using them.

3- I know what "Sanctimonious" means. Do you?

oh, If He'd Had A Sudden Heart Attack Or Something Else That Was Quick, I Might Indulge In It. But Cancer? No, He Suffered A Long Time Before He Died.

Of Course, I Did Smile When Reagan Died.

1987?

Poor Tony Snow...

I may not have agreed with his politics...he still didnt deserve that shit...we should have cures for that by now...

I still have his entertaining appearance on Daily Show reruns though...:salute:

3- I know what "Sanctimonious" means. Do you?

sanctimonious adj. 1. hypocritically pious or devout <a sanctimonious moralist> <the king's sanctimonious rebuke — G. B. Shaw> 2. Jocabia

sanctimonious adj. 1. hypocritically pious or devout <a sanctimonious moralist> <the king's sanctimonious rebuke — G. B. Shaw>

Okay. (@ CH)

"I and Hotwife (except for the "Jocabia" silly dig) know what "Sanctimonious" means. Do you?"

does anyone else wish that they would change the title of this thread to

Tony Snow STILL Dead?

does anyone else wish that they would change the title of this thread to

Tony Snow STILL Dead?
Him and Franco. ;)

Okay. (@ CH)

"I and Hotwife (except for the "Jocabia" silly dig) know what "Sanctimonious" means. Do you?"
Of course......I opened up the dictionary and there was a picture of you there :eek:

Sanctimonious:

holier-than-thou: making an exaggerated show of holiness or moral superiority

If you strike out the "holiness" part, which obviously does not apply to you, you are left with the bolded part, which is right on the money considering the wording you chose to use in the thread.

1- You seem to be confusing "being a mouthpiece for Bush" and "voting for Bush/Hillary" with "supporting, engineering and planning coups all over South America that resulted in countless people dead, tortured, disappeared, several countries raped, democracies overturned and wills of peoples ignored", as well as my reactions would be to each one. Whether you're confusing it in order to tar me or out of a lack of comprehension of that text is yours to tell. Talk about wrong assumptions.
I really don't think that it is an "assumption" on my part, unless you really didn't mean what you posted earlier in the thread? Shall I remind you?

Let me put it this way. Do you know what foreigners see when they look at the Republican Party as it currently is? The National Socialist Party of Germany, circa 1930.
That is a mighty large branding iron you wield there.

2- I doubt that you'd react to anyone else in that way.
You obviously don't know me as well as you think you know me.

Especially with the effort you put into hunting my quotes down and using them.
It wasn't difficult to "hunt down" your quotes as they are over-abundant in this thread, and the multi-quote option makes it extremely easy to reproduce them.

This thread is starting to remind me of that old Saturday Night Live bit about Francisco Franco.

"Our top story tonight: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow is still dead."

I really don't think that it is an "assumption" on my part, unless you really didn't mean what you posted earlier in the thread? Shall I remind you?

No need to remind me, you just need to tell me where did I say that I'd spit in the graves of everyone that voted the NAZI Party in.

holier-than-thou: making an exaggerated show of holiness or moral superiority

If you strike out the "holiness" part, which obviously does not apply to you, you are left with the bolded part, which is right on the money considering the wording you chose to use in the thread.

Which is why I made a point of saying I'm not nice. I see.

I don't wish suffering upon him, but the less help Republicans get, the better.

Including psychiatric help?

*runs*

Pissed that he won the Cold War, and was responsible for bankrupting the former Soviet Union?

Or it could be because he's a Californian whose state was fucked over by Reagan's governorship.

This thread is starting to remind me of that old Saturday Night Live bit about Francisco Franco.

"Our top story tonight: Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow is still dead."

Yeah. Tony Snow is dead and buried but this Gravedancing Thread lives on. Please someone put a bullet through this zombie's head.

Including psychiatric help?

*runs*

Nicely done!

No need to remind me, you just need to tell me where did I say that I'd spit in the graves of everyone that voted the NAZI Party in.
This reply of yours is a cop out and you know it.

Which is why I made a point of saying I'm not nice. I see.
Is that the best you can do for a reply?

Nicely done!

*bows*

This reply of yours is a cop out and you know it.

Not really. He's asking you to produce the exaggeration of which you yourself have accused him. How is that a cop-out?

This reply of yours is a cop out and you know it.

You know you can do nothing better against me than fling accusations. Which is why you posted this.

Pitiful.

Will you two knock it off? It's worse than watching Nodinia and I in a thread.

Will you two knock it off? It's worse than watching Nodinia and I in a thread.

I like self-deprecating humor. :D

HEY! This thread is 10 pages short from officially being an off-topic spam-fest! Doesn't ANYONE remember the old rules?!