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A cyclist who knocked down a 17-year-old girl who later died from her injuries has been found guilty of dangerous cycling.

The 36-year-old shouted at her to "move because I'm not stopping", but rode into her. Rhiannon fell and hit her head and died from her injuries.

Howard, of Buckingham, was fined £2,200 by Aylesbury magistrates.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7496370.stm

I know that for many people cycling is a harmless hobby, but there are too many aggressive cyclists on the road these days. I've nearly been run over by them on occasion myself. They think they can ride where they like, at any speed, completely ignoring the rules of the road, and scream at anyone who gets in their way.

Now, that's no different to many people in cars, of course. What is different, however, is that if you behave that way in a car, you get punished. But £2,200 for killing someone? As the saying goes, if that's justice, then I'm a banana.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7496370.stm

I know that for many people cycling is a harmless hobby, but there are too many aggressive cyclists on the road these days. I've nearly been run over by them on occasion myself. They think they can ride where they like, at any speed, completely ignoring the rules of the road, and scream at anyone who gets in their way.

Now, that's no different to many people in cars, of course. What is different, however, is that if you behave that way in a car, you get punished. But £2,200 for killing someone? As the saying goes, if that's justice, then I'm a banana.

That's disgusting. It surely was not an accident, and what's 2,200 to her family and friends?

He should have gone to jail.

then I'm a banana.

A Cavendish or a Gros Michel?

A Cavendish or a Gros Michel?

The latter. Because it looks like the name of a singer.

The latter. Because it looks like the name of a singer.

It's almost extinct, though, just like the Cavendish will be within a decade or two.

It's almost extinct, though, just like the Cavendish will be within a decade or two.

It's a shame. Because, looking like that particular singer and being a banana, it provides endless opportunity for childish innuendo.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4301595.ece

The widow of a cyclist killed by a lorry criticised the courts toady after the driver was fined only £275 for careless driving.

Glenn Syder, a father of four, died after being struck by Kashmire Nahal's lorry when the motorist pulled out of a busy junction in Havant, Hampshire, last November.

Nahal, 36, from Hayes in Middlesex, pleaded guilty at Portsmouth Magistrates' Court yesterday to careless driving and failing to give way.

He was fined £275, ordered to pay £60 costs and given six penalty points on his licence.

In both cases, the drivers involved should be minimally charged with manslaughter, rather than a small fine.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4301595.ece



In both cases, the drivers involved should be minimally charged with manslaughter, rather than a small fine.

Maybe we can put the two on the road in a game of chicken against each other.

I think that cyclists should be fined £2,200 for riding on the pavement, but for killing someone that should be at least 10 years in prison.

Its Britain, don't expect the government to do anything useful. Quiet resently in the news there was something about burglars not even getting jail sentences anymore.

I think that cyclists should be fined £2,200 for riding on the pavement, but for killing someone that should be at least 10 years in prison.

yeah..

I think that cyclists should be fined £2,200 for riding on the pavement, but for killing someone that should be at least 10 years in prison.

Agreed, I live about 20 some miles from work, and while I do ride my bike when I am feeling extra fat, I always keep off the roads.

Bikes have no place on highways or major roads.

I'd suggest that pedestrian carry swords to deal with the cyclists, but the cyclists might start toting lances.

What about pikes?

I'd suggest that pedestrian carry swords to deal with the cyclists, but the cyclists might start toting lances.

What about pikes?

Which will follow up with cyclists carrying 6 shooters, which pedestrians will counter with heavy briefcases and LMGs, to which the cyclists will counter with rocket launchers, and mortars, which will likely cause the bikes to collapse structurally, turning the cyclists into pedestrians with sore bums.

Clearly the pedestrians will win in this case. :p

I think that cyclists should be fined £2,200 for riding on the pavement, but for killing someone that should be at least 10 years in prison.

What about motorists?

Agreed, I live about 20 some miles from work, and while I do ride my bike when I am feeling extra fat, I always keep off the roads.

Bikes have no place on highways or major roads.

When I bike to the campground, I often use highways and major roads unless there is a sign that explicitly says not to. I also use major arteries within the city to get from place to place on bicycle. I would argue that except for emergency vehicles and deliveries of perishable goods, motor vehicles have no place within a densely developed urban environment.

I'd suggest that pedestrian carry swords to deal with the cyclists, but the cyclists might start toting lances.

What about pikes?

A strong piece of rope held tautly between two pedestrians should do the trick.

Agreed, I live about 20 some miles from work, and while I do ride my bike when I am feeling extra fat, I always keep off the roads.

Bikes have no place on highways or major roads.

And certianly no place on the pavement.

I blame the girl for being ridiculously easy to kill.

And certianly no place on the pavement.

Unless you are a child. I would argue that children would be allowed to ride their bicycles on the sidewalk, as well as parents transporting children on their bicycles.

Unless you are a child. I would argue that children would be allowed to ride their bicycles on the sidewalk, as well as parents transporting children on their bicycles.

Naaa I disagree with that one too. Ride a bike, ride it in the road, it's not hard, and it is a lot safer for us pedistrians

Naaa I disagree with that one too. Ride a bike, ride it in the road, it's not hard, and it is a lot safer for us pedistrians

Okay, so my 4 year old daughter, who is not allowed to cross the road by herself, should be forced to ride her bike on the road. Is that what you're saying?

Bikes belong on the street not on the side walk. I can't stand seeing bikes on the sidewalk. Especially, when the people riding them are not wearing helmets. You can get a fine for not wearing a bike helmet where I live.

Okay, so my 4 year old daughter, who is not allowed to cross the road by herself, should be forced to ride her bike on the road. Is that what you're saying? Yes, or else on a biking path, or your own drive way.

Bikes belong on the street not on the side walk. I can't stand seeing bikes on the sidewalk. Especially, when the people riding them are not wearing helmets. You can get a fine for not wearing a bike helmet where I live.

An amusing fact: Helmets on cyclists actually increase head-injuries, because motorists see the helmets and assume the cyclist is at the maximum level of safety, and thus take no evasive actions themselves.

Okay, so my 4 year old daughter, who is not allowed to cross the road by herself, should be forced to ride her bike on the road. Is that what you're saying?

Or here's an idea, don't buy her a bike if you are not going to let her on the road.

I'm not the maker of the law, but the law say no bikes on the pavement, why do you want to force you girl to brake the law?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7496370.stm

I know that for many people cycling is a harmless hobby, but there are too many aggressive cyclists on the road these days. I've nearly been run over by them on occasion myself. They think they can ride where they like, at any speed, completely ignoring the rules of the road, and scream at anyone who gets in their way.

Now, that's no different to many people in cars, of course. What is different, however, is that if you behave that way in a car, you get punished. But £2,200 for killing someone? As the saying goes, if that's justice, then I'm a banana.

Crazy cyclists have become more and more a pet peve of mine, as the area I drive now usually has more of them on the route

Blindly cycling out from between cars, or on sidewalks or on pedestrian road crossing bridges. riding the edge of narrow roads durring rush hour with no shoulders. Deciding to bike in the middle of the road untill they approach an intersection then they pass everone and go up front or run through a red light making us have to pass them all over again as we drive by them again when the light changes.

It just never seems to be consistant and with how close I work to the college it seems to be the rule rather then the exception I am supprised more pedestrians are not hit or the bikers themselfs getting hit by cars in this town.

Yes, or else on a biking path, or your own drive way.

Do you have any logic for limiting my child's play and mobility other than that it annoys you?

Or here's an idea, don't buy her a bike if you are not going to let her on the road.

I'm not the maker of the law, but the law say no bikes on the pavement, why do you want to force you girl to brake the law?

I don't think it is illegal for children to ride their bicycles on the sidewalk. Of course, that will depend on local laws. In my city, where they hand out tickets to cyclists, children are never fined for riding their bicycles on sidewalks. Nice pun, by the way.

I don't think it is illegal for children to ride their bicycles on the sidewalk. Of course, that will depend on local laws. In my city, where they hand out tickets to cyclists, children are never fined for riding their bicycles on sidewalks. Nice pun, by the way.


Ahhh well you see where I am it is indeed illegal. The pun was not intentional, I just don't how to spell it.

Do you have any logic for limiting my child's play and mobility other than that it annoys you?


It's not that I'm annoyed, it's that I'm scared I'm going to be run into by a bike.

Ahhh well you see where I am it is indeed illegal. The pun was not intentional, I just don't how to spell it.

You're in the UK, right?

http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php

According to that website, children under 16 can ride on the sidewalk with impunity, according to UK law. It is illegal, but kids can not be charged under the law. So you are right, and so am I.

I feel odd.

It's not that I'm annoyed, it's that I'm scared I'm going to be run into by a bike.

Rest assured that if a child hits you while riding their bike, you will probably not be hurt as much as the child. But I can see how it can be awfully frightening when I see a small child pedalling their little bike slowly down the sidewalk. Fills me with dread.

just a small fine? that's awful.


cyclists can be fucking dangerous, speaking as a driver. so many of them round here seem to belive that they don't have to stop at red lights, for example

Rest assured that if a child hits you while riding their bike, you will probably not be hurt as much as the child. But I can see how it can be awfully frightening when I see a small child pedalling their little bike slowly down the sidewalk. Fills me with dread.

While I am not advocating his position but there is a difference between a 5 year old trying to play on a bike/trike and a 14 or 15 year old bariling down the sidewalk

While both (from your arguement before) are covered under "exempt" (at least from prosicution) one would be a bit more scary then the other even though the law treats them the same

While I am not advocating his position but there is a difference between a 5 year old trying to play on a bike/trike and a 14 or 15 year old bariling down the sidewalk

While both (from your arguement before) are covered under "exempt" (at least from prosicution) one would be a bit more scary then the other even though the law treats them the same

I find the prospect of a 16 year old barreling down my residential street in a car far more frightening than the same kid on a bicycle on a sidewalk. For an explanation why, please see the number of children killed by motorists every year vs. the number killed by cyclists.

Rest assured that if a child hits you while riding their bike, you will probably not be hurt as much as the child. But I can see how it can be awfully frightening when I see a small child pedalling their little bike slowly down the sidewalk. Fills me with dread.
Yes that too I could hurt them if they are small and I will also have my toes run over. But what I meant was children can get going fast on their bikes and a collision really could knock someone down. Children don't often realize this.

Yes that too I could hurt them if they are small and I will also have my toes run over. But what I meant was children can get going fast on their bikes and a collision really could knock someone down. Children don't often realize this.

So, it should be made illegal for children to ride their bicycles because:


it might hurt them, or
you might get your toes run over, or
they could knock someone down.


By that same reasoning, we should ban joggers, strollers, deliveries, pets, blind people, absentminded people, and people carrying cellos.

Your poor toes.:(

So, it should be made illegal for children to ride their bicycles because:


it might hurt them, or
you might get your toes run over, or
they could knock someone down.


By that same reasoning, we should ban joggers, strollers, deliveries, pets, blind people, absentminded people, and people carrying cellos.

Your poor toes.:(
Yes my toes, poor toes :)Thank you for your sympathies.Yes, I do think that children should ride on the road. I have been taught that at bike safety presentations ever since I was little. Safer for everyone.

I find the prospect of a 16 year old barreling down my residential street in a car far more frightening than the same kid on a bicycle on a sidewalk. For an explanation why, please see the number of children killed by motorists every year vs. the number killed by cyclists.

I would agree but using the description of a child to belittle the point of fear of injury by a much larger group then that hardly seems to be taking the whole situation into account

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Oh this is fucking awesome I can post as Adunabar again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/7496370.stm

I know that for many people cycling is a harmless hobby, but there are too many aggressive cyclists on the road these days. I've nearly been run over by them on occasion myself. They think they can ride where they like, at any speed, completely ignoring the rules of the road, and scream at anyone who gets in their way.

Now, that's no different to many people in cars, of course. What is different, however, is that if you behave that way in a car, you get punished. But £2,200 for killing someone? As the saying goes, if that's justice, then I'm a banana.
The details are too sketchy to make any kind of reasoned judgment, especially this point:

Howard was cycling on the road when he approached the group but the court heard conflicting evidence about whether he mounted the kerb at any point during the incident.
We might only be getting a small amount of the truth here.

Wow!~! 40 replies.....is the other Forum broken?

Wow!~! 40 replies.....is the other Forum broken?

Read the dates again.

Wow!~! 40 replies.....is the other Forum broken?

rofl