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Ole! Spain's Running of the Bulls Begins!

Nanatsu no Tsuki
07-07-2008, 17:58
I mean, who in Spain doesn't like San Fermín? Being in Pamplona for the annual bull runnings is kinda like a rite of passge here. I've done it, also I've had my share of having many of my shirts ripped by the drunken mobs but... come on... the festival has been getting increasingly more violent lately. This year seems to be no exception with 13 people already injured.

Also, a fatality, an Irish tourist was killed on the ensuing confusion after the bulls were let lose. And the booze seriously doesn't help.


http://news.aol.com/story/_a/ole-spains-running-of-the-bulls-begins/20080707080509990001?icid=100214839x1205067112x1200252696
PAMPLONA, Spain (July 7) - Daredevils kicked off the running of the bulls Monday with a long, messy and particularly dangerous dash through the streets of Pamplona, with 13 people injured but none gored, officials said.

The half-mile sprint through cobblestone streets turned chaotic because the pack of six half-ton beasts became separated early in the route after plowing into a crowd of people, some of them spectators.

Some of the bulls fell and two ended up running on their own. One of those became disoriented, trying several times to turn around and go back toward the starting point. But herders waving sticks eventually guided it to the bull ring where the course ends.

Inside the ring one black bull fell down and stayed there for nearly a minute, as jubilant runners scampered about.

The Spanish Red Cross said 13 people were injured, with head, rib or other injuries from falling or getting trampled.

It said six were Spanish and the rest were from the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Romania and South Korea. No names were given. The worst off was a 37-year-old Spaniard with fractured ribs and a ruptured spleen, the Red Cross said.

The whole run took just over four minutes, which is a bit slow by the standards of Pamplona's Fiesta de San Fermin, as the festival is known.

It was the first of eight scheduled runs. The most crowded ones will be next weekend, when the throngs of thrill-seekers will swell dramatically as people pour into Pamplona from out of town for two days of revelry and Adrenalin.

The fact that this year's festival began on a Monday meant a lighter turnout.

"There were a few tense moments, but I think everything went quite well. There were fewer people than at other times," said 29-year-old runner Aritz Lopez, from Bilbao.

Many of Monday's participants wore traditional white trousers and shirts and red kerchiefs around their necks. They carried rolled-up newspapers — a tool for gauging how far away a charging bull is.

Before the sprint, local runners paid tribute to a beloved Pamplona native, Inaki Ochoa de Olza, a veteran mountain climber who died in the Himalayas in May. He also was a regular runner at San Fermin.

The running of the bulls became world famous with the publication of Ernest Hemingway's 1926 novel "The Sun Also Rises" and also is known for its all-night street parties.

Since record-keeping began in 1924, 14 runners have died.

The last fatality from a goring was a 22-year-old American, Matthew Tassio, in 1995. In 2003, a 63-year-old Pamplona native, Fermin Etxeberri, was trampled in the head by a bull and died after spending several months in a coma.

On Sunday a young man died after falling 30 yards from an ancient wall that encircles the old quarter of Pamplona. Authorities identified him Monday as Aidan Holly, a 23-year-old from Ireland, and quoted friends as saying he had been drinking.

What do you think should be done to prevent this from happening? Is it the booze, do the authorities need to tighten security? And, do any of you have in your countries equally fun but stupid festivals like San Fermín?
Call to power
07-07-2008, 18:42
do I have to feel sympathy if they kind of deserve it?

what should be done is for a massive police crackdown on any slight act of silliness all I can say when its dealing with mobs really
Ashmoria
07-07-2008, 18:45
I mean, who in Spain doesn't like San Fermín? Being in Pamplona for the annual bull runnings is kinda like a rite of passge here. I've done it, also I've had my share of having many of my shirts ripped by the drunken mobs but... come on... the festival has been getting increasingly more violent lately. This year seems to be no exception with 13 people already injured.

Also, a fatality, an Irish tourist was killed on the ensuing confusion after the bulls were let lose. And the booze seriously doesn't help.




What do you think should be done to prevent this from happening? Is it the booze, do the authorities need to tighten security? And, do any of you have in your countries equally fun but stupid festivals like San Fermín?

i dont see any reason to keep it from happening. until pamplona tires of the crowds, let it go as it is.
Dundee-Fienn
07-07-2008, 19:11
They're risking their own lives and no one elses as far as I can see so I have no trouble with the whole event. It's on my to-do list after a base jump in Norway and, potentially more dangerous, the cheese rolling in Gloucester :p

Link (http://www.cheese-rolling.co.uk/)
The Scandinvans
07-07-2008, 19:13
Well, less dangerous then the running of the Vikings.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
07-07-2008, 19:13
They're risking their own lives and no one elses as far as I can see so I have no trouble with the whole event. It's on my to-do list after a base jump in Norway and, potentially more dangerous, the cheese rolling in Gloucester :p

Link (http://www.cheese-rolling.co.uk/)

I gotta check that cheese rolling thingy.

By the way, when in the San Fermín, bring a lot of clothes (especially shirts) and prepare yourself to be molested by the crowds.:p
Dundee-Fienn
07-07-2008, 19:17
I gotta check that cheese rolling thingy.

By the way, when in the San Fermín, bring a lot of clothes (especially shirts) and prepare yourself to be molested by the crowds.:p

Wow it's sounding better and better :p

Check out this (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC5ykhXDDbo&feature=related) vid to see the carnage
Nanatsu no Tsuki
07-07-2008, 19:18
Wow it's sounding better and better :p

Check out this (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC5ykhXDDbo&feature=related) vid to see the carnage

Sounds interesting, doesn't it?:D
Aelosia
07-07-2008, 19:33
I did it, too. It is marvelous experience, as long as you keep normal and sprints just for a bit, and follow the advise of the local.

Apart from an occassional "cop a feel", I wasn't molested to much. I guess I avoided the gross mobs of drunkards around.

And well, regarding the irish, he fell from a wall. No bull involved there. Usually the injured, at least in 2003, the year when I ran the encierro, were tourists, usually too drunk, and that thought they could run the bulls without pause for several blocks. (You shouldn't, just a short sprint and that's it, just follow how the locals do it).

As long as no innocent bystander is hurt, I don't think it should be prohibited or something. The main problem is the booze. Not just because being dead drunk is not healthly to run ahead of a bull in the middle of a mob, but because it also makes people having other kinds of accidents, like the irish guy falling from a wall. When I was there in the San Fermines, there was an amazing amount of fights between the hard drunk boyz. One british guy even got stabbed three times in the face by a romanian.

Here in Venezuela we have the Toros Coleados, something similar, where you need to jump from a horse to the bull, bring it down, and tie its legs. Of course, it is never done with full mature bulls.
Santiago I
07-07-2008, 21:45
WHy is that nobody cares about the bulls!?!?!

Those poor animals are not having fun at all being molested by a crowd of stinking drunks.
Leave the bulls alone...dont run with them, no bull fights...just kill them to make beef.
Gun Manufacturers
07-07-2008, 21:57
I'd love to participate in the Running of the Bulls, but I know my physical limitations. Due to my bad knees, I really can't run. :(
Xomic
07-07-2008, 22:10
At least they're not running from Bull seals.


That'd be dangerous. 8-)
Dundee-Fienn
07-07-2008, 22:17
WHy is that nobody cares about the bulls!?!?!

Those poor animals are not having fun at all being molested by a crowd of stinking drunks.
Leave the bulls alone...dont run with them, no bull fights...just kill them to make beef.

Hey I smell alright when i'm drunk thankyou very much and I don't intend on molesting any bulls. My girlfriend wouldn't be best pleased
Katganistan
07-07-2008, 22:17
I mean, who in Spain doesn't like San Fermín? Being in Pamplona for the annual bull runnings is kinda like a rite of passge here. I've done it, also I've had my share of having many of my shirts ripped by the drunken mobs but... come on... the festival has been getting increasingly more violent lately. This year seems to be no exception with 13 people already injured.

Also, a fatality, an Irish tourist was killed on the ensuing confusion after the bulls were let lose. And the booze seriously doesn't help.


http://news.aol.com/story/_a/ole-spains-running-of-the-bulls-begins/20080707080509990001?icid=100214839x1205067112x1200252696


What do you think should be done to prevent this from happening? Is it the booze, do the authorities need to tighten security? And, do any of you have in your countries equally fun but stupid festivals like San Fermín?

I've got to say it sounds like natural selection.
People who choose to get in front of a stampede of animals that weigh as much as those critters... not smart.

People who choose to get in front of a stampede drunk -- are they really that much of a loss? there's not much common sense there.
Heikoku 2
07-07-2008, 22:52
I gotta say, in bullfights, I root for the bull...
Psychotic Mongooses
07-07-2008, 23:23
The Irish guy who died was a soldier who fell from a 30ft wall. Don't know if alcohol was involved, but it may have just been a slip or wrongfooting that killed him.

http://dynimg.rte.ie/0001936110dr.jpg
Agolthia
07-07-2008, 23:40
I gotta say, in bullfights, I root for the bull...

I'm not a big fan of bull fighting either. I wouldn't exactly want to get involved in this particular attraction either but I can appreciate the attraction.
Marrakech II
08-07-2008, 00:14
This is one from my home state. This is the Omak Stampede or "Suicide Race". This happens on the Colville "Native American" Reservation. Of course I had to link to a animal rights video. Only reason it shows what can happen. I have actually watched this and it is much more impressive in person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4pig67unHo&feature=related
Nanatsu no Tsuki
08-07-2008, 00:14
I've got to say it sounds like natural selection.
People who choose to get in front of a stampede of animals that weigh as much as those critters... not smart.

People who choose to get in front of a stampede drunk -- are they really that much of a loss? there's not much common sense there.

I think that in this case as in the cheese rolling tourney in Gloucester, a lack of common sense seems to be the key. I like the San Fermines, I just would do fine without the bull runs.
Marrakech II
08-07-2008, 00:15
The Irish guy who died was a soldier who fell from a 30ft wall. Don't know if alcohol was involved, but it may have just been a slip or wrongfooting that killed him.

http://dynimg.rte.ie/0001936110dr.jpg

The bull pushed him over the wall...... right???
Lunatic Goofballs
08-07-2008, 00:32
I ran with the bulls once.

Natural Selection occasionally misses. :)
Nanatsu no Tsuki
08-07-2008, 00:39
I ran with the bulls once.

Natural Selection occasionally misses. :)

Perhaps bulls don´t like clowns...
Lunatic Goofballs
08-07-2008, 00:41
Perhaps bulls don´t like clowns...

Or perhaps they do. :)
Nanatsu no Tsuki
08-07-2008, 00:42
Or perhaps they do. :)

That too.:p
SaintB
08-07-2008, 10:34
... also I've had my share of having many of my shirts ripped by the drunken mobs but...

Any chance for a private showing?



(I had to ask...)


Last year at the same time as the commencement of the running of the bulls festival in Spain a wrecking ball came loose from a crane and rolled down main street of my home town :D. I think that should be a tradition, the tourists would love it!
Nanatsu no Tsuki
08-07-2008, 14:09
Any chance for a private showing?



(I had to ask...)

Nope.;)


Last year at the same time as the commencement of the running of the bulls festival in Spain a wrecking ball came loose from a crane and rolled down main street of my home town :D. I think that should be a tradition, the tourists would love it!

I would go see that.:D
Katganistan
08-07-2008, 14:17
I ran with the bulls once.

Natural Selection occasionally misses. :)

For which we are acutely thankful.

Perhaps bulls don´t like clowns...

Or perhaps they do. :)

http://www.thefunzanoon.com/uploaded_images/rodeoShoes-786316.jpg
http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/culture/2007/04/09/bullybully.jpg
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/02/13/pendleton.rodeo.ap/story.bull.ap.jpg

Maybe a little TOO much....
Nanatsu no Tsuki
08-07-2008, 14:50
For which we are acutely thankful.





http://www.thefunzanoon.com/uploaded_images/rodeoShoes-786316.jpg
http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/culture/2007/04/09/bullybully.jpg
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/02/13/pendleton.rodeo.ap/story.bull.ap.jpg

Maybe a little TOO much....

I think everyone likes a clown. I know we all like LG here.:p
SaintB
12-07-2008, 20:23
Nope.;)


My girlfreind has been traipsing around various portions of North and South Africa and is due to go to Asia. I'll take any chance I get :(