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This is really interesting to me. So Jews who followed Jesus and became Christians obviously considered him the Moshiach, but the Christian concept of the Anti-Christ is interestingly closely in line with what the Jews believe the Moschiach will do as if the concept of a Christian Anti-Christ basically guarantees the Moschiach would be considered the Anti-Christ, thereby invalidating anyone who comes after Christ and claims to be the Moschiach. Which to me means that Christianity came up with the Anti-Christ idea to invalidate anyone else that could be the Moschiach. I mean the contemporary idea of the Anti-Christ in Christianity matches up with several of these, but Jesus Christ did not fulfill most of these.

From a Jewish website:
"The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18)" He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15)." Sacrifices will return to the temple at times of thanksgiving.

The contemporary Christian idea is the Anti-Christ will come back around the time of or rebuild himself the Temple. He will establish a world government possibly from the Middle-East. It will be a time of peace (briefly for awhile), he will bring all in the world under him.

So basically the Christian concept of the Anti-Christ means that a Jewish Moschiach would probably be considered at first the Anti-Christ by many Christians.

It is very interesting to me, and I wonder how the concept of the Anti-Christ in modern Protestant Christianity became so close to the concept of the Moschiach.

This is why I plan to rule from Disney World. *nod*

It is very interesting to me, and I wonder how the concept of the Anti-Christ in modern Protestant Christianity became so close to the concept of the Moschiach.Why, it's almost as though they'd planned to have a scriptural means to denounce any future would-be messiahs...

This is why I plan to rule from Disney World. *nod*You wouldn't say that if you'd have seen the back stage areas...

Why, it's almost as though they'd planned to have a scriptural means to denounce any future would-be messiahs...

The modern Protestant conception of the Anti-Christ is not all based in scripture, but some fairly loose interpretations of Revelations.

You wouldn't say that if you'd have seen the back stage areas...

They will be dealt with. *nod*

This is why I plan to rule from Disney World. *nod*

Without victory in christ, you won't be ruling anything but a small nook in hell.

How dare you mock other's religions, your offensive clownery is likely just a crudely applied face paint of your own pathetic self-loathing, and a large bulbous red nose of regret for not abiding by the God that you know, deep down in the crotch of your baggy floral pants, is real.

I'll tell you something about God, Lunatic Goofballs. He will not be mocked. In fact, He has no sense of humor at all, because he's already imagined every conceivable punchline, pratfall, sight gag, limerick, and unreleased alternative ending to The Usual Suspects where it turns out the hooker with dysentery was Keyser Soze all along.

I'm going to tell you the same thing Stephen Baldwin told Bono, because you need to hear it. You would do a lot more good by spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ then by trying to get rid of Third World Debt.

Change your life, with victory in Christ.

Without victory in christ, you won't be ruling anything but a small nook in hell.

How dare you mock other's religions, your offensive clownery is likely just a crudely applied face paint of your own pathetic self-loathing, and a large bulbous red nose of regret for not abiding by the God that you know, deep down in the crotch of your baggy floral pants, is real.

I'll tell you something about God, Lunatic Goofballs. He will not be mocked. In fact, He has no sense of humor at all, because he's already imagined every conceivable punchline, pratfall, sight gag, limerick, and unreleased alternative ending to The Usual Suspects where it turns out the hooker with dysentery was Keyser Soze all along.

I'm going to tell you the same thing Stephen Baldwin told Bono, because you need to hear it. You would do a lot more good by spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ then by trying to get rid of Third World Debt.

Change your life, with victory in Christ.

:eek:

You know, you're right. I've been a fool.

I apologize to you, to anyone else I have offended over the years and especially to God and Christ for the silly antics which have stolen so much from so many.

:(

And in conclusion... (http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/farted.wav)

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You know, you're right. I've been a fool.

I apologize to you, to anyone else I have offended over the years and especially to God and Christ for the silly antics which have stolen so much from so many.

:(

And in conclusion... (http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/farted.wav)

What should have been an authentic and genuine apology has been polluted by your digitized rectal belch.

Lunatic Goofballs, Jesus has no patience with satire; he put Swift in hell for advocating natal cannibalism. He put Voltaire in a deeper part of hell, with a higher concentration of Jews, for writing Candide and also for being French.

On topic, I'll say this: The anti-christ will be a jew. Period. Even if you ignore the voluminous scriptural evidence for this, just think about it.

The anti-christ will have money, power, be deceptive, and he'll set up shop in jerusalem in a Jewish temple; Common sense makes him more jewish than Sammy Davis Jr. complaining about the air conditioning to a manager at a chinese restaurant before leaving a 5% tip.

What should have been an authentic and genuine apology has been polluted by your digitized rectal belch.

Lunatic Goofballs, Jesus has no patience with satire; he put Swift in hell for advocating natal cannibalism. He put Voltaire in a deeper part of hell, with a higher concentration of Jews, for writing Candide and also for being French.

On topic, I'll say this: The anti-christ will be a jew. Period. Even if you ignore the voluminous scriptural evidence for this, just think about it.

The anti-christ will have money, power, be deceptive, and he'll set up shop in jerusalem in a Jewish temple; Common sense makes him more jewish than Sammy Davis Jr. complaining about the air conditioning to a manager at a chinese restaurant before leaving a 5% tip.

"Here comes the time, when people will behave like madmen, and if they see anybody who does not behave like that, they will rebel against him and say:'You are mad', - because he is not like them." -St. Anthony.

:)

"Here comes the time, when people will behave like madmen, and if they see anybody who does not behave like that, they will rebel against him and say:'You are mad', - because he is not like them." -St. Anthony.

:)

"Oh yes, the one man in the world who never believes he's mad is a madman."

-L. Ron Hubbard

Do you know how Anthony got his sainthood? Curing pig infertility. Seriously, before you quote somebody, look them up. Saint Anthony was beatified and later raised to Sainthood because a prominent monastery was running out of food because the pigs stopped breeding. Tony shows up, presto, 1 week later, all the pigs are pregnant. Its even more of a miracle because they had no male pigs.

Lunatic Goofballs, you've claimed in other threads to be a Christian. Start acting like it and get some victory in christ.

"Oh yes, the one man in the world who never believes he's mad is a madman."

-L. Ron Hubbard

Do you know how Anthony got his sainthood? Curing pig infertility. Seriously, before you quote somebody, look them up. Saint Anthony was beatified and later raised to Sainthood because a prominent monastery was running out of food because the pigs stopped breeding. Tony shows up, presto, 1 week later, all the pigs are pregnant. Its even more of a miracle because they had no male pigs.

Lunatic Goofballs, you've claimed in other threads to be a Christian. Start acting like it and get some victory in christ.

You know, if a pig fucker can be a Catholic Saint, I think I'm gonna be okay. :)

You know, if a pig fucker can be a Catholic Saint, I think I'm gonna be okay. :)

As usual, you make a straw man faster than a wicker golem at a gay brothel.

I didn't say he was a pig fucker. I said the pigs were inseminated after he left.

Correlation does not imply causality, and that should in no way conflict with my entire premise that he was responsible for impregnating the barren pigs. He did with faith and love, not grotesque, squeeling ruts with a two score female pigs under the appalled yet unwavering gaze of the monks.

As usual, you make a straw man faster than a wicker golem at a gay brothel.

I didn't say he was a pig fucker. I said the pigs were inseminated after he left.

Correlation does not imply causality, and that should in no way conflict with my entire premise that he was responsible for impregnating the barren pigs. He did with faith and love, not grotesque, squeeling ruts with a two score female pigs under the appalled yet unwavering gaze of the monks.

It would explain why he was attacked by animals later.

It would explain why he was attacked by animals later.

That makes no sense.

Do YOU attack people that pleasure you and then give you a carrot to eat after?

Lunatic Goofballs, try to debate, not just make ridiculous assertions. If Saint Anthony's later friction with animals was related to a propensity for bouts of beastiality, he would have just raped his attackers to death, like any other person of that period.

Get some historical context.

That makes no sense.

Do YOU attack people that pleasure you and then give you a carrot to eat after?

Only if they're into that sort of thing.

Lunatic Goofballs, try to debate, not just make ridiculous assertions. If Saint Anthony's later friction with animals was related to a propensity for bouts of beastiality, he would have just raped his attackers to death, like any other person of that period.

Get some historical context.

Sorry. I majored in Physics. :p

This is really interesting to me. So Jews who followed Jesus and became Christians obviously considered him the Moshiach, but the Christian concept of the Anti-Christ is interestingly closely in line with what the Jews believe the Moschiach will do as if the concept of a Christian Anti-Christ basically guarantees the Moschiach would be considered the Anti-Christ, thereby invalidating anyone who comes after Christ and claims to be the Moschiach. Which to me means that Christianity came up with the Anti-Christ idea to invalidate anyone else that could be the Moschiach. I mean the contemporary idea of the Anti-Christ in Christianity matches up with several of these, but Jesus Christ did not fulfill most of these.

From a Jewish website:
"The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18)" He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15)." Sacrifices will return to the temple at times of thanksgiving.

The contemporary Christian idea is the Anti-Christ will come back around the time of or rebuild himself the Temple. He will establish a world government possibly from the Middle-East. It will be a time of peace (briefly for awhile), he will bring all in the world under him.

So basically the Christian concept of the Anti-Christ means that a Jewish Moschiach would probably be considered at first the Anti-Christ by many Christians.

It is very interesting to me, and I wonder how the concept of the Anti-Christ in modern Protestant Christianity became so close to the concept of the Moschiach.

that is interesting. youve stretched it to make it work but it does make you wonder if the whole anti-christ idea isnt tainted with a bit of anti-jewish attitude.

that is interesting. youve stretched it to make it work but it does make you wonder if the whole anti-christ idea isnt tainted with a bit of anti-jewish attitude.

I suspect that excessive wine may have played a role in the Book of Revelation also. *nod*

Sorry. I majored in Physics. :p

Then you should understand what the OP is saying.

Look, think of it this way: Let the Messiah (Christ, the real messiah), be a charged particle with some number of coulombs being accelerated within a reference frame with a constant relative velocity to Jerusalem.

Christ would calculate the field strength at his location by taking the cross product of his own acceleration vector with the displacement vector between him and the location of the particle, which can be measured precisely in both velocity and location because the Son of God is not uncertain. Once the cross product has been taken, multiply by the Biot Savart constant and devide by the square of the magnitude of the displacement vector.

But the Jews would calculate the field strength by observing the reaction of a ferro-responsive material at the point in question.

Get it?

Then you should understand what the OP is saying.

Look, think of it this way: Let the Messiah (Christ, the real messiah), be a charged particle with some number of coulombs being accelerated within a reference frame with a constant relative velocity to Jerusalem.

Christ would calculate the field strength at his location by taking the cross product of his own acceleration vector with the displacement vector between him and the location of the particle, which can be measured precisely in both velocity and location because the Son of God is not uncertain. Once the cross product has been taken, multiply by the Biot Savart constant and devide by the square of the magnitude of the displacement vector.

But the Jews would calculate the field strength by observing the reaction of a ferro-responsive material at the point in question.

Get it?

Yeah, Christ is the bug and Jerusalem is the windshield. *nod*

Yeah, Christ is the bug and Jerusalem is the windshield. *nod*

Typical of a lukewarm "christian" like yourself. I present a reasonable and highly cogent parallel of field dynamics, and you try to turn it into an inelastic collision problem, which you will most likely address using a single point model system, instead of the much more capturing yet software intensive dynamic of a deformative fluid mass with negligible rigidity at the described velocities.

Fuck you.

I suspect that excessive wine may have played a role in the Book of Revelation also. *nod*

or one of the other mind altering substances that exist in the middle east/mediterranean area.

but since its really a rant about rome, ive never been all that concerned about that whole antichrist thing. it seems to have worked out to the christian favor a very long time ago.

Typical of a lukewarm "christian" like yourself. I present a reasonable and highly cogent parallel of field dynamics, and you try to turn it into an inelastic collision problem, which you will most likely address using a single point model system, instead of the much more capturing yet software intensive dynamic of a deformative fluid mass with negligible rigidity at the described velocities.

Oh please. I'm a clown not a buffoon.

....well, sometimes I'm a buffoon.

Fuck you.

Jesus said the same thing when I beat Him at checkers. :p

Sorry. I majored in Being Epic. :p


Fixed it.

So no one was interested in this thread so it had to be derailed. I think it is an interesting question.

If you bring the Christ and the Anti-Christ together, do they explode neutralizing each other?

Nice idea for a WMD device. You'd have a capsule divided into two parts. Christ in one, Anti-Christ in the other. Upon impact the barrier would shatter combining the two and releasing an excessive amount Faith energy, evaporating anything in it's path (unless Christian, maybe).

I hope the FBI won't get me for publishing this on the forum.

This is why I plan to rule from Disney World. *nod*

No one would dare take out the happiest place on earth.

Now that I read through the rest on the thread (not just the OP) I have to say:
Lunatic Goofballs, I love you! :fluffle:

So no one was interested in this thread so it had to be derailed. I think it is an interesting question.
SHUSH!! You're interrupting the epic comedy war!! :D

The modern Protestant conception of the Anti-Christ is not all based in scripture, but some fairly loose interpretations of Revelations.
FAIRLY loose? VERY loose!

That and I don't trust Paul.

That and I don't trust Paul.
Why not, may I ask?

Why not, may I ask?

Because he contradicts himself several times over and was a complete and total hypocrite.

The anti-christ will have money, power, be deceptive, and he'll set up shop in jerusalem in a Jewish temple; Common sense makes him more jewish than Sammy Davis Jr. complaining about the air conditioning to a manager at a chinese restaurant before leaving a 5% tip.

Ahem. I'm a Jew.
I'm not rich, and I never will be, cus I have joined the army.
I have no power, and never will.
I make a point to be honest, and I follow the saying of death before dishonor.

I try to be dissapointed in your slander, but find that I can't. I've dealt with fucks like you before. I've been called a money-grubbing kike, a filthy Jew, and all sorts of shit like that, and I had to take it, cus I can't afford to get arrested...but I don't have to take your shit.

So fuck you and the high horse you rode in on, asshole. It's blind bigotry that shits like you blather about that is the cause of my peoples pain.

Mods, I apologize for my outburst, and accept any punishment you may dish out for what is obviously some hard core flaming...but I can't stand Anti-Semitism.

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As for the actual topic, I think that is kind of cool. Regardless of my faith, I find the book of revelations to be pretty awsome all things considered, because I, unlike some people, do not condemn others based on their faith.

I'm not rich, and I never will be, cus I have joined the army.

You're in the army now.
You're in the army now.
You'll never get rich... :D

:D Of course, they screwed up my paperwork just long enough to keep me from going to basic this summer. blech.
hence why I'm on NSG with you clowns :cool:

What should have been an authentic and genuine apology has been polluted by your digitized rectal belch.

Lunatic Goofballs, Jesus has no patience with satire; he put Swift in hell for advocating natal cannibalism. He put Voltaire in a deeper part of hell, with a higher concentration of Jews, for writing Candide and also for being French.

On topic, I'll say this: The anti-christ will be a jew. Period. Even if you ignore the voluminous scriptural evidence for this, just think about it.

The anti-christ will have money, power, be deceptive, and he'll set up shop in jerusalem in a Jewish temple; Common sense makes him more jewish than Sammy Davis Jr. complaining about the air conditioning to a manager at a chinese restaurant before leaving a 5% tip.

Please show scriptural proof for this. $5 says you can't :)

Because he contradicts himself several times over and was a complete and total hypocrite.

And please give scriptural proof of this!

Because he contradicts himself several times over and was a complete and total hypocrite.

Which makes it different from every other part of the Bible in what way exactly?

And please give scriptural proof of this!

Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. (1 Corinthians 9:19-21)
Proof.

*snip*

*snip*


El. Oh. Fucking. El.


Is it just me or does anyone think that Hammurab is the reincarnation of Jhann? I find it hard to believe that anyone could say such utterly stupid things and not be satirizing?

Proof.

How is that hypocritical? Its showing that he isn't trying to convert anyone to a particular culture, like say the Muslims do. Instead, he is bringing each culture the Gospel in means for them to understand in their own thinking. Would I deliver the gospel in the same manner to Native Americans as I would deliver it to an African tribesman? Not at all. Two different cultures. I use what they originally believe and make a comparison to the Gospel, and deliver it to them in their own understanding.

Try again.

Which makes it different from every other part of the Bible in what way exactly?

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

great way to ignore the claim there zilam.

great way to ignore the claim there zilam.

Everyone always talks about so called contradictions. And you know what they post? Usually something out of 1st and 2nd kings that talks about the numbering of animals, stalls, or what ever. Simple copyist error that has NO effect on the main issue at hand in the bible: salvation for mankind. Show me a major contradiction that deals with a major issue.

Here, I'll help you: you can't, because They don't exist.

Everyone always talks about so called contradictions. And you know what they post? Usually something out of 1st and 2nd kings that talks about the numbering of animals, stalls, or what ever. Simple copyist error that has NO effect on the main issue at hand in the bible: salvation for mankind.

How very convenient. All those contradictions? All those things that conflict? Just copy errors, that's all!

How very convenient. All those contradictions? All those things that conflict? Just copy errors, that's all!

Lets see if you have a number that is like 10,000 in one spot, and in another spot its 100,000, can't you see how there would be a copyist error? Simple and explainable. I would assume that someone with intellect such as yourself would be able to wrap your mind around such a simple concept.

Because he contradicts himself several times over and was a complete and total hypocrite.
I don't see how 1 Corinthians 9 shows this.

Everyone always talks about so called contradictions. And you know what they post? Usually something out of 1st and 2nd kings that talks about the numbering of animals, stalls, or what ever. Simple copyist error that has NO effect on the main issue at hand in the bible: salvation for mankind. Show me a major contradiction that deals with a major issue.

Here, I'll help you: you can't, because They don't exist.
No contradictions? I don't often rise to challenges like this one, but the reason that the whole "it's riddled with contradictions" charge is trotted out so often is that it quite demonstrably is.

For example, Isaiah 54:10 "For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee." versus Jeremiah 6:8 "Be thou instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from thee; lest I make thee desolate, a land not inhabited." In the first case, the idea seems to be that the deity will not withold his benefit under any circumstances, whilst in the second it seems to be the case that his followers have to toe the line, or else.

Alternatively (and it's always been my personal 'favourite', in as far as I have one) how about the contradiction about what happens after death? The entire New Testament is predicated on the idea of a heavenly reward or lack thereof, and yet the OT is clear that "the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and "there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesiastes 9:5).

Scholars and theologians down the ages have interpreted and reinterpreted such passages to try and head off such accusations but it is clear that contradictions exist, and it is disingenous at best to claim otherwise. I admire the fact that you are prepared to defend your religion's position, but try to steer clear of claims that are indefensible like "there are no contradictions".

Lets see if you have a number that is like 10,000 in one spot, and in another spot its 100,000, can't you see how there would be a copyist error?
There's far more than simple copyist error, there are deep theological contradictions in the different books of the Bible (for example, is God a deity of peace or war?; what's the order of creation?; was Mary impregnated by the Holy Ghost or by Joseph?; is God sensible to humans on Earth?).

Though it is hardly surprising that a set of books, written at different times by different authors, and arguably talking about different gods, then subjected to nearly 2000 years of revision and alteration, contain contradictions.

For example, Isaiah 54:10 "For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee." versus Jeremiah 6:8 "Be thou instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from thee; lest I make thee desolate, a land not inhabited." In the first case, the idea seems to be that the deity will not withold his benefit under any circumstances, whilst in the second it seems to be the case that his followers have to toe the line, or else.

Whoa! Hold on there! You are dealing with two different topics here. Its a contradiction, in your eyes, because you fail to see the big picture of what each chapter is saying. For instance, Jeremiah 6 deals with the destruction of Judah, while Isaiah 54 deals how God will deliver kindness and reconciliation to those who truly follow Him. You can't cherry pick verses. That's why many "contradictions" are easy to explain off. People will only take two verses and make it seems if the entire Bible is faulty, when all they have done is shown how there are two different circumstances with in 66 books, written over 1900 years (My, what a finding!:rolleyes:)



Alternatively (and it's always been my personal 'favourite', in as far as I have one) how about the contradiction about what happens after death? The entire New Testament is predicated on the idea of a heavenly reward or lack thereof, and yet the OT is clear that "the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and "there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesiastes 9:5).
I am not too well read on the Jewish ideas of heaven and hell, but even in the OT they believed in some place called hades, also known as Abraham's Bossom, and what Jesus calls "Paradise" This is a realm of dead. Like purgatory if you will. People will only goto heaven or hell when the second coming and Judgement happens.


Scholars and theologians down the ages have interpreted and reinterpreted such passages to try and head off such accusations but it is clear that contradictions exist, and it is disingenous at best to claim otherwise. I admire the fact that you are prepared to defend your religion's position, but try to steer clear of claims that are indefensible like "there are no contradictions". They are quite defensible claims. Those claims are actually what lead me to Christ.



There's far more than simple copyist error, there are deep theological contradictions in the different books of the Bible (for example, is God a deity of peace or war?; what's the order of creation?; was Mary impregnated by the Holy Ghost or by Joseph?; is God sensible to humans on Earth?).

Though it is hardly surprising that a set of books, written at different times by different authors, and arguably talking about different gods, then subjected to nearly 2000 years of revision and alteration, contain contradictions.

Why is it a contradiction that God is both of peace and of wrath? He loves peace, be brings judgment to those that disobey Him. That's not contradictory. Let's imagine a president, who runs on a campaign of loving peace and diplomacy, and this person is honestly in favor of such things. Do you expect them to sit idly by while their country is attacked by other countries? Does it make them a hypocrite for running on a platform of peace, and they are forced to answer a call of justice by means of war?

And what is the contradiction of creation? Please explain that one.

Mary was not impregnated by the HS in the sense that you and I think of. There was no Holy God sperm that fertilized her eggs. Instead, the Holy Spirit dwelled with in her. Jesus therefore, is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit, also known as the Word of God. And Joseph had to impregnate her for their other children to be born. How is there a contradiction here?

As for the last example you mentioned, you asked if God is sensible to men or not. God tried to be as simple as possible, to man kind, by coming as Christ. Look to Christ if you want to understand who God is.

Actually, the nineteenth commandment says that Fred Phelps (or possibly jerry Falwell) is the antichrist. Moses was getting old and frail, however, so they had to cancel everything after the first two tablets.

Seriously, though, if the antichrist is the opposite of jesus then he *CANNOT* be jewish.

Actually, the nineteenth commandment says that Fred Phelps (or possibly jerry Falwell) is the antichrist. Moses was getting old and frail, however, so they had to cancel everything after the first two tablets.

Seriously, though, if the antichrist is the opposite of jesus then he *CANNOT* be jewish.

Its a lie that was started by Jerry Falwell's. I am sure some silly person before him believe it, but its clearly NOT biblical. If there is a literal person who is THE Anti-Christ, then its likely to be someone from a pagan country, so by biblical standards this would mean someone not-Jewish and likely European. But I personally believe that the anti-Christ that the bible speaks of is a general term for human kind in general. Our very nature is anti-Christ.

For the sake of clarity, Jews dont really have a heaven or hell.

Pretty much, when you die you go to this place called gehenna. If you are a good soul, you repent for eleven months; an evil soul, twelve months. (This is why the period of mourning for a family member is eleven months instead of a full year-if you mourn the full year, its like accepting that the person was evil).
Main stream judaism is very vague about what happens after that, and it is open to interpretation. Many believe that your soul becomes one with god. Short of Cabala (which I don't even pretend to have more than a basic understanding of), there is no description of the afterlife.
The only accepted fact is that when the messiah comes, we are all reborn in the world to come.

As I don't follow the gospel, my god is full of piss and vinegar and likes to smash heathens when he gets angry. :)

Though I do have a question for the christian/catholic NSers....
Since the Mesiah is supposed to be a descendant of King David, it is accepted that Joseph was a descendant of King David, and therefore this proves Christs divinity.
But if Jesus was the son of God, how could he have been the son of Joseph and thus prove he is the messiah?

Careful of your quote attribution, Zilam.

Why is it a contradiction that God is both of peace and of wrath? He loves peace, be brings judgment to those that disobey Him.
Because that is a rather disingenuous use of the term 'peace'. The OT God is far more than a bringer of judgement, he goes far and beyond retribution, ending up in outright hostility towards his creations. But this is merely one of the supporting factors for positing that different sections of the Bible talk about different gods.

And what is the contradiction of creation? Please explain that one.
The difference in order between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.

And Joseph had to impregnate her for their other children to be born. How is there a contradiction here?
Because one can take portions of Acts, and certain sections of Paul's letters, to mean that the Biblical character of Jesus was wholly human; born of Mary, fathered by Joseph.

As for the last example you mentioned, you asked if God is sensible to men or not.
'Sensible' as in 'perceptible'.

Whoa! Hold on there! You are dealing with two different topics here. Its a contradiction, in your eyes, because you fail to see the big picture of what each chapter is saying. For instance, Jeremiah 6 deals with the destruction of Judah, while Isaiah 54 deals how God will deliver kindness and reconciliation to those who truly follow Him. You can't cherry pick verses. That's why many "contradictions" are easy to explain off. People will only take two verses and make it seems if the entire Bible is faulty, when all they have done is shown how there are two different circumstances with in 66 books, written over 1900 years (My, what a finding!):rolleyes:
Who says people are only taking "two verses" to make it appear that "the entire Bible is faulty"? Not I, that's for sure. I simply picked that example off the top of my head. Thanks for the rolly eyes smiley, though. It was a timely reminder that I shouldn't take this exchange of opinion too seriously.

I am not too well read on the Jewish ideas of heaven and hell, but even in the OT they believed in some place called hades, also known as Abraham's Bossom, and what Jesus calls "Paradise" This is a realm of dead. Like purgatory if you will. People will only goto heaven or hell when the second coming and Judgement happens.
Your interpretation and knowledge of Jewish ideas of "heaven and hell" are irrelevant. You claimed that the Bible contained no contradictions and I provided a simple example of why that was demonstrably untrue, using the Old Testament books of Isaiah and Jeremiah.

As I noted above, I just picked that particular example off the top of my head. I could list a few more -- the old favourite "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron" (Judges 1:19), that neatly makes a mockery of the entire idea of an omnipotent force, springs to mind -- but I'm not sure that it would really do anything to make you accept that your holy book is inconsistent.

The Bible was, as you accept, written by a multitude of authors and so it might be seen as unfair to compare different books and use them to highlight apparent contradictions. Fortunately (for the sceptics of the world) the Bible makes life easier for us by flatly contradicting itself within books, too. For example, in 1st Corinthians we see the contradictory statements "God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise"(1:27 ) and "God is not the author of confusion". Alternatively, how about "with God all things are possible." (Mark 10:27) versus "he could there do no mighty work" (Mark 6:5)... so much for Gospel truth.

These are not isolated examples. I really don't see that it's worth my, or anyone else's, time to continue providing examples of the contradictions that can clearly be seen by people who don't have their entire emotional being invested in a compilation of old stories. That the Bible does contain contradictory ideas and statements doesn't necessarily invalidate the entire thing, but attempting to claim that the inconsistencies don't exist is just silly.

Now that I read through the rest on the thread (not just the OP) I have to say:
Lunatic Goofballs, I love you! :fluffle:

Hey, I had help this time.

*bows to Hammurab*

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Though I do have a question for the christian/catholic NSers....
Since the Mesiah is supposed to be a descendant of King David, it is accepted that Joseph was a descendant of King David, and therefore this proves Christs divinity.
But if Jesus was the son of God, how could he have been the son of Joseph and thus prove he is the messiah?


Jesus asked who they thought the Messiah would be the Son of, if he is supposed to be a decedent of David...

Matthew 22:41-45
Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?" They said to him, "The son of David." He said to them, "How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
"'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet'?
If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?"

But in other places the significance of coming from the line of David is emphasized, but more importantly, Jesus said he was before Abraham was, so descendant of David isn't enough, root of David is more like it I think.

John 8:57-58
So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."

Clearly there is some shortcoming of human intellect to understand how Jesus could be botht he root of David and exist before Abraham. The answer is, of course, that Jesus Christ is God and Man, not Man alone.

Clearly there is some shortcoming of human intellect to understand how Jesus could be botht he root of David and exist before Abraham.
When logical inconsistencies appear, defy logic! :D

Ahhh, god of the gaps.

El. Oh. Fucking. El.


Is it just me or does anyone think that Hammurab is the reincarnation of Jhann? I find it hard to believe that anyone could say such utterly stupid things and not be satirizing?

I'm fairly certain he is. The style is similar enough*, the adopted personalities are also nearly the same. Whoever he is, he's a very good satirist. A little clumsy on occasion, but generally masterful.

*Note in particular those fluid dynamics comments, and then go find some of Jhannaham's comments in legal debates. Very similar.

Typical of a lukewarm "christian" like yourself. I present a reasonable and highly cogent parallel of field dynamics, and you try to turn it into an inelastic collision problem, which you will most likely address using a single point model system, instead of the much more capturing yet software intensive dynamic of a deformative fluid mass with negligible rigidity at the described velocities.

Fuck you.

Warned for flaming.

Warned for flaming.

I will apologize to Lunatic Goofballs for saying Fuck You to him when he apologizes for sleeping with my wife for 4 months until I got home early one day, saw his big floppy red shoes sticking out from under my marital bed, and then, not realizing he was still in them, I grabbed a golf club and jumped out the window and attacked the first clown I saw, thus inadvertently disrupting a neighboring child's 8th birthday party by savagely beating, with a 9 iron, the wrong clown, all while screaming "Stay out of my wife's vagina".

He ended a 9 year marriage, Katganistan, and Bloopo still has persistent pain in 3 limbs and his pelvis.

But I'm supposed to feel bad about telling him to go fuck himself after comparing my saviour, whom I love, to an insect getting hit by a windshield, and then probably proceeding to model it using a method that ignores numerous fundamental aspects of the impact?

Don't forget, Kat, I know who you are. I was there at that conference in Copenhagen when that keynote speaker from MIT suggested that computational models will likely undergo tremendous revision when quantum computing becomes more practical, and you called him a "festering, pus-splattered supporation on the castration wound of a Jonestown survivor". I mean, Jesus, what did that even mean?

And after they tasered you, I was the one that brought you a Fanta Orange drink from the vending machine.

And now you're warning me. Well, fine.

But just remember, just because you're applying the rules fairly and constraining obviously and egregiously prohibited behavior which, even if it may result in boundaries that curb the more obtuse satirical commentary, is still a reasonable means of facilitating civil discourse, especially for those who lack the linguistic acumen to spot such commentary, well, just because you are technically right, conceptually right, and right in principal, doesn't make you right in other ways.

Because he contradicts himself several times over and was a complete and total hypocrite.

Paul (and St. Augustine after him) showed the typical zealotry and hipocrisy one sometimes finds in the recent convert, attacking perceived "sins" in others that are the very behaviors they themselves engaged in and are now ashamed of.

I will apologize to Lunatic Goofballs for saying Fuck You to him when he apologizes for sleeping with my wife for 4 months until I got home early one day, saw his big floppy red shoes sticking out from under my marital bed, and then, not realizing he was still in them, I grabbed a golf club and jumped out the window and attacked the first clown I saw, thus inadvertently disrupting a neighboring child's 8th birthday party by savagely beating, with a 9 iron, the wrong clown, all while screaming "Stay out of my wife's vagina".



Yep. Your Jhann. That proves it.


Dude. I fucking love you.

Ahem. I'm a Jew.

Nobody is perfect.


I'm not rich, and I never will be, cus I have joined the army.

For the diligent and able, the military can be a spring board to tremendous prosperity by getting the knowhow to own your own business, learning self-reliance, and having your uniform morph into a tailored suit as you stand in front of an important looking corporate building with especially shiny windows and maybe an eagle in the background.

Anyway, you're a Jew, and you're born with $666,666.00 USD in an account with the Federal Reserve Bank. It used to accrue interest at 6.66%, but, now its like 3 points below that. You know how things are.


I have no power, and never will.
I make a point to be honest, and I follow the saying of death before dishonor.

Power is just joules per second. Unless your body is superconductive, you have power.

Euclid defined a point as "that which has no part". The honesty of a Jew fits that bill, for certain.


I try to be dissapointed in your slander, but find that I can't. I've dealt with fucks like you before. I've been called a money-grubbing kike, a filthy Jew, and all sorts of shit like that, and I had to take it, cus I can't afford to get arrested...but I don't have to take your shit.

So fuck you and the high horse you rode in on, asshole. It's blind bigotry that shits like you blather about that is the cause of my peoples pain.

Mods, I apologize for my outburst, and accept any punishment you may dish out for what is obviously some hard core flaming...but I can't stand Anti-Semitism.

Anti-Semitism is an ideology. I'm talking about facts. I learned all about you Jews when I was trying to find a good weather information website. There's this really informative one, from the title I think its about dangerous meteorological conditions, but they have a surprisingly large amount of information about Jews.


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As for the actual topic, I think that is kind of cool. Regardless of my faith, I find the book of revelations to be pretty awsome all things considered, because I, unlike some people, do not condemn others based on their faith.

If you are a Jew, you absolutely do condemn others. Or would you let your daughter marry an Amelekite?

Yep. Your Jhann. That proves it.


Dude. I fucking love you.

WTF is a "Jhann"? Is that some gay way of spelling John, like girls who spell their name Alexxxis or Madylyn?

Anyway, I don't love or fuck other men. That is abomination. Like the song says "To get to heaven, there's no back door".

Yep. Your Jhann. That proves it.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2546/jesusuf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I will apologize to Lunatic Goofballs for saying Fuck You to him when he apologizes for sleeping with my wife for 4 months until I got home early one day, saw his big floppy red shoes sticking out from under my marital bed, and then, not realizing he was still in them, I grabbed a golf club and jumped out the window and attacked the first clown I saw, thus inadvertently disrupting a neighboring child's 8th birthday party by savagely beating, with a 9 iron, the wrong clown, all while screaming "Stay out of my wife's vagina".

He ended a 9 year marriage, Katganistan, and Bloopo still has persistent pain in 3 limbs and his pelvis.

But I'm supposed to feel bad about telling him to go fuck himself after comparing my saviour, whom I love, to an insect getting hit by a windshield, and then probably proceeding to model it using a method that ignores numerous fundamental aspects of the impact?

Don't forget, Kat, I know who you are. I was there at that conference in Copenhagen when that keynote speaker from MIT suggested that computational models will likely undergo tremendous revision when quantum computing becomes more practical, and you called him a "festering, pus-splattered supporation on the castration wound of a Jonestown survivor". I mean, Jesus, what did that even mean?

And after they tasered you, I was the one that brought you a Fanta Orange drink from the vending machine.

And now you're warning me. Well, fine.

But just remember, just because you're applying the rules fairly and constraining obviously and egregiously prohibited behavior which, even if it may result in boundaries that curb the more obtuse satirical commentary, is still a reasonable means of facilitating civil discourse, especially for those who lack the linguistic acumen to spot such commentary, well, just because you are technically right, conceptually right, and right in principal, doesn't make you right in other ways.

First of all, I sent you an apology gift months ago. Didn't I tell you?

Second, Bloopo wasnt exactly completely innocent of penetrating your ex-wife's vagina. Didn't he tell you?

Third, she came on to me. Apparently she had a thing for clowns. Didn't she tell you?

Finally, the strange guy in the rain slicker and the prototype rocketboots molesting the waterfountain in COpenhagen that you borrowed the krone to buy that soda was me. Didn't I tell you?

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Kat. Sorry. That was me with the taser. Didn't I tell you?

First of all, I sent you an apology gift months ago. Didn't I tell you?

Second, Bloopo wasnt exactly completely innocent of penetrating your ex-wife's vagina. Didn't he tell you?

Third, she came on to me. Apparently she had a thing for clowns. Didn't she tell you?

Finally, the strange guy in the rain slicker and the prototype rocketboots molesting the waterfountain in COpenhagen that you borrowed the krone to buy that soda was me. Didn't I tell you?
...
Kat. Sorry. That was me with the taser. Didn't I tell you?

Way to be off topic, you home wrecking circus primate (that is not flaming, he works as a clown, and humans are primates).

This thread is supposed to be about Jews and the Anti-Christ, which, as far as I'm concerned, is just like talking about Cobra and Destro. (Cobra Commander would be more analogous to Satan here, unless you're into the whole Serpentor thing, but that's another thread).

Look, the Messiah already came. His kingdom, the REAL jerusalem, not that dusty slum in Israel, was formed, AS PROPHESIED. His name was Jesus Christ. They couldn't have called him Christ if he wasn't the messiah.

Way to be off topic, you home wrecking circus primate (that is not flaming, he works as a clown, and humans are primates).

This thread is supposed to be about Jews and the Anti-Christ, which, as far as I'm concerned, is just like talking about Cobra and Destro. (Cobra Commander would be more analogous to Satan here, unless you're into the whole Serpentor thing, but that's another thread).

Has this thread ever been ON topic? :confused:

Has this thread ever been ON topic? :confused:

Well, let's PUT it on topic.

Its like if you were to dress up as the delivery guy to get the package, you tell the mark "Oh, and watch out, there's a fake delivery guy running around...if he shows up, don't let him in, and call the police". You ride off with the package, and when he shows up, instead of your ruse being discovered, he gets the old cuff and buff while you meet the fence.

Anyway, Jews forget one thing: their Messiah will not come until they have shown, for several successive generations, that they are worthy.

Did you see Ben Stiller in Zoolander? They almost had it with that film, but then BOOM, they rocket attack a dude in a wheelchair.

Well, let's PUT it on topic.

Its like if you were to dress up as the delivery guy to get the package, you tell the mark "Oh, and watch out, there's a fake delivery guy running around...if he shows up, don't let him in, and call the police". You ride off with the package, and when he shows up, instead of your ruse being discovered, he gets the old cuff and buff while you meet the fence.

Anyway, Jews forget one thing: their Messiah will not come until they have shown, for several successive generations, that they are worthy.

Did you see Ben Stiller in Zoolander? They almost had it with that film, but then BOOM, they rocket attack a dude in a wheelchair.

A blind deaf dude in a wheelchair. One second he's sitting there, then there's a sudden stinging sensation and the next thing he knows, he's being molested by 71 virgins. That may sound nice, but there were good reasons why they were all virgins. I won't go into a description, but if you were to morph them together into a single conglomerate being with the average appearance of it's component parts, it would look a lot like Rosie O'Donnell and Chewbacca had a kid.

A blind deaf dude in a wheelchair. One second he's sitting there, then there's a sudden stinging sensation and the next thing he knows, he's being molested by 71 virgins. That may sound nice, but there were good reasons why they were all virgins. I won't go into a description, but if you were to morph them together into a single conglomerate being with the average appearance of it's component parts, it would look a lot like Rosie O'Donnell and Chewbacca had a kid.

See, this is my point. If the Jew's deliverer had come, he'd have used Force Lightning on the old dude, like Emperor Palpatine did to everybody.

Part of me wants to explore the idea of whether framing the idea of an anti-Christ was an orchestrated and prescient attempt to broaden a usurpation of Judaic spiritual culture, or whether its simply a case of the habitual villainization that a mentality imposes on competing ideas.

The other part of me wants to call Lunatic Goofballs a fucker again, but I'm not allowed to.

I feel like I should say something, but for now I'm just going to sit and watch

I feel like I should say something, but for now I'm just going to sit and watch

Oh, is that a trick you learned out of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?

Let me guess, Neo Art. You're a lawyer, banker, financial analyst, accountant, different kind of accountant, or a Rabbi.

Just like all Jews.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Look, the Jews could have avoided this entire problem if they had arranged for their Messiah to not perfectly, precisely, and thoroughly fit the EXACT properties and attributes that will be exhibited by the Anti-Christ. Its not like the various contemporary Christian ideas of an Anti-Christ were formed comparatively recently, and if they were, it would be divinely inspired.

Now, go ahead, pull some anemic Godwin bullshit that conveniently ignores the facts. Or, you can listen to what I'm telling you, take off your yamulkah, and get some victory in Christ.

Did you see Ben Stiller in Zoolander? They almost had it with that film, but then BOOM, they rocket attack a dude in a wheelchair.

Why do you think I had an anti-missle system built in?

Oh, is that a trick you learned out of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?

Let me guess, Neo Art. You're a lawyer, banker, financial analyst, accountant, different kind of accountant, or a Rabbi.

Just like all Jews.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Look, the Jews could have avoided this entire problem if they had arranged for their Messiah to not perfectly, precisely, and thoroughly fit the EXACT properties and attributes that will be exhibited by the Anti-Christ. Its not like the various contemporary Christian ideas of an Anti-Christ were formed comparatively recently, and if they were, it would be divinely inspired.

Now, go ahead, pull some anemic Godwin bullshit that conveniently ignores the facts. Or, you can listen to what I'm telling you, take off your yamulkah, and get some victory in Christ.

Allow me to fill you with some knowledge.

Shakespeare was a writer.

in many of shakespeares plays, he includes characters that engage in premarital sex.

Premarital sex is forbidden to christians.

Thus, shakespeare was a bad christian.

Therefore things that shakespeare said should not be considered true by good christians.

Shakespeare said "kill all the lawyers", and, since shakepeare is a bad christian, good christians should believe that the truth is "don't kill all the lawyers"

In addition, many of shakespeare's plays included clowns. Much like the clown you found fucking your wife.

So in conclusion, christians should believe that lawyers are good, and Shakespeare had sex with your wife.

Good day sir.

Allow me to fill you with some knowledge.

Shakespeare was a writer.

in many of shakespeares plays, he includes characters that engage in premarital sex.

Premarital sex is forbidden to christians.

Thus, shakespeare was a bad christian.

Therefore things that shakespeare said should not be considered true by good christians.

Shakespeare said "kill all the lawyers", and, since shakepeare is a bad christian, good christians should believe that the truth is "don't kill all the lawyers"

In addition, many of shakespeare's plays included clowns. Much like the clown you found fucking your wife.

So in conclusion, christians should believe that lawyers are good, and Shakespeare had sex with your wife.

Good day sir.

Pfft. Shakespeare also said, "If you prick [Jews], do [they] not bleed?" As we are reversing Shakespeare's messages, it is self-evident that good Christians should think to themselves, "If you bleed Jews, are they not pricks?" Ergo, faithful Christians should poke Jews with sharp objects. QED.

(Also, you have a TG.)

Allow me to fill you with some knowledge.

Shakespeare was a writer.

in many of shakespeares plays, he includes characters that engage in premarital sex.

Premarital sex is forbidden to christians.

Thus, shakespeare was a bad christian.

Therefore things that shakespeare said should not be considered true by good christians.

Shakespeare said "kill all the lawyers", and, since shakepeare is a bad christian, good christians should believe that the truth is "don't kill all the lawyers"

In addition, many of shakespeare's plays included clowns. Much like the clown you found fucking your wife.

So in conclusion, christians should believe that lawyers are good, and Shakespeare had sex with your wife.

Good day sir.

Shakespeare was Sir Francis Bacon, who was a GOOD christian who even took the name Bacon to prevent jews from eating his children.

Second, you left wing people always insist it isn't sex if the woman doesn't enjoy it, so at my church, nobody has sex. Ever.

Next, authors of good moral worth often include characters in their works that are meant as cautionary example...for example, the Bible includes girls who get their father drunk and then schtupp him, that doesn't mean that the author (God) has done this. I don't even know if he has a father.

Next, your use of syllogism is demonstrably flawed, as such:

I said "All jews are lawyers (or other aforementioned stereotypes)", I didn't say all lawyers were jews.

I defeat you now with deft use of the contrapositive: All jews are lawyers means that if you are NOT a lawyer (or banker, etc), then you are not a jew.

You, however, are obviously a lawyer, based on your evident sophistry and grotesquely liberal views.

Incidentally, I'm a bit behind on my spousal support, if you really are a lawyer, can you help me?

Pfft. Shakespeare also said, "If you prick [Jews], do [they] not bleed?" As we are reversing Shakespeare's messages, it is self-evident that good Christians should think to themselves, "If you bleed Jews, are they not pricks?" Ergo, faithful Christians should poke Jews with sharp objects. QED.

(Also, you have a TG.)

You should be a teacher, if you aren't one already.

Evidently, if you convert to some branches of Judaism but were already previously circumcised for non-Jew reasons, they poke you a bit on the wang to make you bleed, as an act of respect for the symbolism of the ritual.

Not that I ever looked into becoming a Jew, I just prefer to know my enemy.

Well first off, the concept of the Anti-Christ is some 2000 years old, and originated with Jews - its not a Protestant invention.

Second, if you understood Christianity well enough, you'd know that most Christians also suspect that Jesus is going to return to rule the earth for a millennium before the new heaven and earth is created.

As Psalms states - the Messiah (Jesus, for the Christians) will both sacrifice himself and rule in The House of David. The former has happened (crucifixion), but that latter has not. Many are aware of this - and consequently believe that Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years after the Antichrist does - but before the judgement.

So: both Jews and Christians expect Christ to physically rule the earth. Only the Christians believe that the first world leader will be the Anti-Christ, whereas the Jews will accept this man as the Messiah. The Christians then believe that the Antichrist will be defeated, and Christ will rule.

Problem explained?
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Delegate of The Council of Narnia

Well first off, the concept of the Anti-Christ is some 2000 years old, and originated with Jews - its not a Protestant invention.

Second, if you understood Christianity well enough, you'd know that most Christians also suspect that Jesus is going to return to rule the earth for a millennium before the new heaven and earth is created.

As Psalms states - the Messiah (Jesus, for the Christians) will both sacrifice himself and rule in The House of David. The former has happened (crucifixion), but that latter has not. Many are aware of this - and consequently believe that Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years after the Antichrist does - but before the judgement.

So: both Jews and Christians expect Christ to physically rule the earth. Only the Christians believe that the first world leader will be the Anti-Christ, whereas the Jews will accept this man as the Messiah. The Christians then believe that the Antichrist will be defeated, and Christ will rule.

Problem explained?
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Delegate of The Council of Narnia

Exactly. Obviously, the person that the Jews will accept as the Messiah is, as you explain, the Anti-Christ.

Your description really does explain the problem perfectly.

Exactly. Obviously, the person that the Jews will accept as the Messiah is, as you explain, the Anti-Christ.

Yes, thats correct. Because they'll be looking for their Messiah, who they expect to come as a king - they don't accept that he could be anything 'less' (i.e. a carpenter's son: Jesus).

The Antichrist will come a king, and re-establish the Temple, gaining the Jew's trust. And when everything is fine and dandy...all hell gets let loose.

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Delegate of The Council of Narnia

Yes, thats correct. Because they'll be looking for their Messiah, who they expect to come as a king - they don't accept that he could be anything 'less' (i.e. a carpenter's son: Jesus).

The Antichrist will come a king, and re-establish the Temple, gaining the Jew's trust. And when everything is fine and dandy...all hell gets let loose.

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Delegate of The Council of Narnia

And because the Jews misunderstand what the Messiah is, they didn't recognize him coming the first time, and will be fooled by the later one they believe is the messiah, and thus, they will come under the sway of the Anti-Christ.

And as you explained, an understanding of Christianity will prevent a Christian from being thus fooled; the Jews, however, will follow an anti-Christ, for a time.

So, what you describe is an accurate understanding of what the Anti-Christ will REALLY be is based on this Christian understanding; the Jewish model (not accepting him as a carpenter's son, etc) will lead to an Anti-Christ.

I honestly, really do think that you've explained the problem precisely.

And because the Jews misunderstand what the Messiah is, they didn't recognize him coming the first time, and will be fooled by the later one they believe is the messiah, and thus, they will come under the sway of the Anti-Christ.

And as you explained, an understanding of Christianity will prevent a Christian from being thus fooled; the Jews, however, will follow an anti-Christ, for a time.

So, what you describe is an accurate understanding of what the Anti-Christ will REALLY be is based on this Christian understanding; the Jewish model (not accepting him as a carpenter's son, etc) will lead to an Anti-Christ.

I honestly, really do think that you've explained the problem precisely.

Christ is supposed to come back too. Suppose the Anti-christ comes and pretends to be Christ? He could end up duping Jews and Christians alike into following his rule. I don't know if you noticed this about christians, but they tend to see Christ in baked goods and other inanimate objects. It wouldn't take much for an enterprising anti-christ to fool them. A few card tricks and a levitating cat ought to do it.

On the other hand, how will we know Christ when He returns? Even if He does and we accept Him as what He is, won't the impending lawsuit by the ACLU piss Him off?

Christ is supposed to come back too. Suppose the Anti-christ comes and pretends to be Christ? He could end up duping Jews and Christians alike into following his rule. I don't know if you noticed this about christians, but they tend to see Christ in baked goods and other inanimate objects. It wouldn't take much for an enterprising anti-christ to fool them. A few card tricks and a levitating cat ought to do it.

Criss Angel won't be nearly as cool as Sam Neil standing on the cliffs.


On the other hand, how will we know Christ when He returns? Even if He does and we accept Him as what He is, won't the impending lawsuit by the ACLU piss Him off?

Just as Narnian Council explained, the Jews won't know him when he returns, just like they didn't know him the first time. If the Jews receive a Messiah that fits their current spiritual beliefs, that person would naturally be the anti-christ.

Christ is the fulfillment and perfection of the Jewish faith; Ann Coulter explained it, get her book.

Ann Coulter explained it, get her book.

Can't I just smash my nuts with a stilson wrench instead?

Can't I just smash my nuts with a stilson wrench instead?

Typical clown, would rather go for a sophomoric crotch shot gag than sit down in a nice comfortable stool and read something educational.



If nobody gets that joke, (stool? get it?) I'm going to start taking drugs.

Typical clown, would rather go for a sophomoric crotch shot gag than sit down in a nice comfortable stool and read something educational.



If nobody gets that joke, (stool? get it?) I'm going to start taking drugs.

So do you want me to read something educational, or read Ann Coulter's book?

Now I know where your kids get their toilet habits from. ;)

Yeah, I got it. Would've been better off in the other thread though.

So do you want me to read something educational, or read Ann Coulter's book?

Now I know where your kids get their toilet habits from. ;)

Yeah, I got it. Would've been better off in the other thread though.

Coulter's books are life changing. She led me to question evolution, abortion, subsidy for homeless children, affirmative action, and the notion that a Jew converting to Christianity does not thereby become perfect.

Since understanding her insights and applying them in my daily routine, I have not turned into a monkey, been aborted, given money to a homeless child, lost my job to a black man, and since I'm already Christian, I'm already perfected as compared to a jew.

Coincidence?

Coulter's books are life changing. She led me to question evolution, abortion, subsidy for homeless children, affirmative action, and the notion that a Jew converting to Christianity does not thereby become perfect.

Since understanding her insights and applying them in my daily routine, I have not turned into a monkey, been aborted, given money to a homeless child, lost my job to a black man, and since I'm already Christian, I'm already perfected as compared to a jew.

Coincidence?

Maurice Sendak's 'Where the Wild Things Are" did much the same thing for me. *nod* :)

Maurice Sendak's 'Where the Wild Things Are" did much the same thing for me. *nod* :)

I used to feel the same way about "The Giving Tree" and "Where the Sidewalk Ends", until I found out Shel Silverstein was a Jew.

Well, I didn't really find out, he just looks like one. Nose, beard, you know.

I used to feel the same way about "The Giving Tree" and "Where the Sidewalk Ends", until I found out Shel Silverstein was a Jew.

Well, I didn't really find out, he just looks like one. Nose, beard, you know.

Be careful. They're getting sneakier about that.

Does this look like a jew to you:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Bios/goldberg.jpg

Be careful. They're getting sneakier about that.

Does this look like a jew to you:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Bios/goldberg.jpg

S'okay, I found this great movie on that meteorology site I was telling you about, the one about dangerous weather. Its called "The International Jew" and it shows you how to spot them.

Nobody is perfect.

Anyway, you're a Jew, and you're born with $666,666.00 USD in an account with the Federal Reserve Bank. It used to accrue interest at 6.66%, but, now its like 3 points below that. You know how things are.

Anti-Semitism is an ideology. I'm talking about facts. I learned all about you Jews when I was trying to find a good weather information website. There's this really informative one, from the title I think its about dangerous meteorological conditions, but they have a surprisingly large amount of information about Jews.

If you are a Jew, you absolutely do condemn others. Or would you let your daughter marry an Amelekite?

First of all, if I have 666,666 dollars in a secret acount somewhere, it's news to me.

Secondly, have you actually met a Jew? Ever? Like, really? Do you also think we have horns?

Oh, is that a trick you learned out of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?

Let me guess, Neo Art. You're a lawyer, banker, financial analyst, accountant, different kind of accountant, or a Rabbi.

Just like all Jews.

Tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

Most Jews I know (and, shocker, I know quite a few), are not lawyers, bankers, financial accountants, accountants of any sort, or Rabbis. Also, you definately just used the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. You know, the document that is well known to be completely false?

Shakespeare was Sir Francis Bacon, who was a GOOD christian who even took the name Bacon to prevent jews from eating his children.
Next, authors of good moral worth often include characters in their works that are meant as cautionary example...for example, the Bible includes girls who get their father drunk and then schtupp him, that doesn't mean that the author (God) has done this. I don't even know if he has a father.

Next, your use of syllogism is demonstrably flawed, as such:

I said "All jews are lawyers (or other aforementioned stereotypes)", I didn't say all lawyers were jews.

I defeat you now with deft use of the contrapositive: All jews are lawyers means that if you are NOT a lawyer (or banker, etc), then you are not a jew.


Lmao if you actually think thats true. Its well known that we save our catholic eating rights for passover.

I also find it amusing that somebody who hates Jews for no good reason uses a yiddish word. Shtupp=to screw in Yiddish. Aka the language of the Eastern European Jews.


Not that I ever looked into becoming a Jew, I just prefer to know my enemy.

Seriously?


So: both Jews and Christians expect Christ to physically rule the earth.


We do?

Be careful. They're getting sneakier about that.

Does this look like a jew to you:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Bios/goldberg.jpg


Lunatic Goofballs, you have my undying respect as an exemplar of all that is amusing and ridiculous about blind faith. :D

I am the Anti-christ. My Daddy told me so.

I am the Anti-christ. My Daddy told me so.

Apparently, I'm supposed to worship you...?

Apparently, I'm supposed to worship you...?

I don't ask for worship. Just send money.

Without victory in christ, you won't be ruling anything but a small nook in hell.

How dare you mock other's religions, your offensive clownery is likely just a crudely applied face paint of your own pathetic self-loathing, and a large bulbous red nose of regret for not abiding by the God that you know, deep down in the crotch of your baggy floral pants, is real.

I'll tell you something about God, Lunatic Goofballs. He will not be mocked. In fact, He has no sense of humor at all, because he's already imagined every conceivable punchline, pratfall, sight gag, limerick, and unreleased alternative ending to The Usual Suspects where it turns out the hooker with dysentery was Keyser Soze all along.

I'm going to tell you the same thing Stephen Baldwin told Bono, because you need to hear it. You would do a lot more good by spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ then by trying to get rid of Third World Debt.

Change your life, with victory in Christ.

Jeez, lighten up.

The modern Protestant conception of the Anti-Christ is not all based in scripture, but some fairly loose interpretations of Revelations.

It's Revelation. It's singular.

Apparently, I'm supposed to worship you...?You play well with others. I like you. :fluffle: *friendship*

Oh, and it's more likely to be $616,616 ... notsomuch $666,666. :)

I used to feel the same way about "The Giving Tree" and "Where the Sidewalk Ends", until I found out Shel Silverstein was a Jew.

Well, I didn't really find out, he just looks like one. Nose, beard, you know.How about his musical talent?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfE_-ZJAxc

Coulter's books are life changing. She led me to question evolution, abortion, subsidy for homeless children, affirmative action, and the notion that a Jew converting to Christianity does not thereby become perfect.

Since understanding her insights and applying them in my daily routine, I have not turned into a monkey, been aborted, given money to a homeless child, lost my job to a black man, and since I'm already Christian, I'm already perfected as compared to a jew.

Coincidence?

Wow... just wow. First off, Darwin did not say we came from monkeys, he stated we share a common ancestor with apes. Also, an individual can not devolve into another animal, it takes many successive generations and environmental influences to create a new species. There is a name for post-natal abortion, its defined in most law books as 'murder'. It's unfortunate that you don't care enough to provide aid to the homeless, after all Jesus taught us care for those less fortunate than us. See Parable of the Sheep and the Goats (Matthew 25:31-46)

Wow... just wow. First off, Darwin did not say we came from monkeys, he stated we share a common ancestor with apes. Also, an individual can not devolve into another animal, it takes many successive generations and environmental influences to create a new species. There is a name for post-natal abortion, its defined in most law books as 'murder'. It's unfortunate that you don't care enough to provide aid to the homeless, after all Jesus taught us care for those less fortunate than us. See Parable of the Sheep and the Goats (Matthew 25:31-46)Holey moley, legend in the midst! *bows*
It took Hammurab to draw you out?

Holey moley, legend in the midst! *bows*
It took Hammurab to draw you out?

Hmm? I wasn't aware that I had legendary status... *updates his resume*

I've been lurking alot.

S'okay, I found this great movie on that meteorology site I was telling you about, the one about dangerous weather. Its called "The International Jew" and it shows you how to spot them.

Am I supposed to believe you needed a website to tell you how to spot them? Why didn't you just buy another Jew Detector? I mean they cost, what, $22.50 at Urban Outfitters?

First of all, if I have 666,666 dollars in a secret acount somewhere, it's news to me.

Secondly, have you actually met a Jew? Ever? Like, really? Do you also think we have horns?

I met several Jews during my internship with the Southern Poverty Law Center, which, because of its name, I thought was to benefit poor white trash in the south.

Anyway, they put me in charge of replying to correspondence with groups like the KKK, The Order, the Illinois Nationalist Socialist Party, but I'm not sure I replied them like I was supposed to....


You're wrong.

Most Jews I know (and, shocker, I know quite a few), are not lawyers, bankers, financial accountants, accountants of any sort, or Rabbis. Also, you definately just used the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. You know, the document that is well known to be completely false?

Of course you know Jews, you people stick together. When I lived in that Kibbutz, I noticed all you Hebes cohabitated.


Lmao if you actually think thats true. Its well known that we save our catholic eating rights for passover.

I also find it amusing that somebody who hates Jews for no good reason uses a yiddish word. Shtupp=to screw in Yiddish. Aka the language of the Eastern European Jews.

First of all, hating Jews is its own reason. Its what's called a categorical imperative. And Yiddish is now being used commonly by Jew Haters, much like the n-word is often used by blacks. Its a Mitzvah in the eyes of Christ.



Seriously?

We do?

Lunatic Goofballs, you have my undying respect as an exemplar of all that is amusing and ridiculous about blind faith. :D

Seriously, I didn't ever look into conversion as an Orthodox Jew. Nor was I turned down because I lacked the rudimentary grasp of symbolism and abstract conceptualization that would allow one to even touch on, much less truly explore and penetrate, the teachings of the Torah.

I'd call you a putz, but I've been warned for flaming.

Jeez, lighten up.

No, I will not lighten up.

If you educated yourself on the issues, you'd know that trying to visualize an infinitely bright light, allegorically referred to as "the robe of god", is one means by which Jewish mystics try to asymptotically approach the idea of limitless beauty and love.

I don't do Jew.

Of course you know Jews, you people stick together. When I lived in that Kibbutz, I noticed all you Hebes cohabitated

Might I suggest you alter your tone of language, as "Hebe" is an ethnic slur and you appear to be aiming it at a member of this conversation.

Wow... just wow. First off, Darwin did not say we came from monkeys, he stated we share a common ancestor with apes.

Right, that's what I said, a common ancestor of monkey come. Hence, we come from monkeys.


Also, an individual can not devolve into another animal, it takes many successive generations and environmental influences to create a new species.

What a load of ignorance. What you're talking about would require some means of storing genotypical information in a chemical self-replicating format, the requisite complexity of which would require enormous long chains of nitrogenous formations linked by phosphate groups, whose vulnerability to alteration by radiation or heat could result in new traits which would then be subject to iterative encouragement or removal depending on its viability. Which basically amounts to monkey come.


There is a name for post-natal abortion, its defined in most law books as 'murder'.

Don't lecture me on the law, unless you've passed the bar exam. (If you have passed the bar exam, can I borrow your BARBRI books? I have to take it in a few years, too.)


It's unfortunate that you don't care enough to provide aid to the homeless, after all Jesus taught us care for those less fortunate than us. See Parable of the Sheep and the Goats (Matthew 25:31-46)

When Jesus said those less fortunate than us, he meant people with smaller genitalia (i.e., less fortunate). So, far as I'm concerned, Blacks have nothing coming.

Now, an Asian guy falls down on his luck, I'll help him out.

Might I suggest you alter your tone of language, as "Hebe" is an ethnic slur and you appear to be aiming it at a member of this conversation.

Well, I tried being politically correct by calling them "Jewish Americans" but they just got more offended.

They probably couldn't understand me anyway, they all had thick Russian accents. Why they were in Israel is beyond me.

Well first off, the concept of the Anti-Christ is some 2000 years old, and originated with Jews - its not a Protestant invention.

Second, if you understood Christianity well enough, you'd know that most Christians also suspect that Jesus is going to return to rule the earth for a millennium before the new heaven and earth is created.

As Psalms states - the Messiah (Jesus, for the Christians) will both sacrifice himself and rule in The House of David. The former has happened (crucifixion), but that latter has not. Many are aware of this - and consequently believe that Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years after the Antichrist does - but before the judgement.

So: both Jews and Christians expect Christ to physically rule the earth. Only the Christians believe that the first world leader will be the Anti-Christ, whereas the Jews will accept this man as the Messiah. The Christians then believe that the Antichrist will be defeated, and Christ will rule.

Problem explained?
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Delegate of The Council of Narnia

I wouldn't say most. I say a sizable majority do NOT believe that.

Well, I tried being politically correct by calling them "Jewish Americans" but they just got more offended.

They probably couldn't understand me anyway, they all had thick Russian accents. Why they were in Israel is beyond me.

yearly meeting of the council of zion.

yearly meeting of the council of zion.

An honest Jew. Don't touch anything, anti-matter annihilates when it touches regular mass.

You people (yes, I mean that in the pejorative sense) should learn how to transmit christian baby bones through Instant Messaging, then you could meet online, like decent people

yearly meeting of the council of zion.

Hey, how did that go this year? I heard Moishe Finkelstein was going to be in charge of supplying the blood of Christian babies for the Tuesday morning Matzoh Brunch, and then the schmuck completely forgot and just brought plain old bagels!

Hey, how did that go this year? I heard Moishe Finkelstein was going to be in charge of supplying the blood of Christian babies for the Tuesday morning Matzoh Brunch, and then the schmuck completely forgot and just brought plain old bagels!

and they weren't even from Bruegers, they were some frozen schmultz. And then during the annual "pick the next american president meeting" someone actually suggested Lieberman. HELLLOOOO how obvious can you GET? What about "secret world conspiracy" do these fuckers NOT GET? Seriously, we might as well walk down main street with signs "yes, we do run the media"

and they weren't even from Bruegers, they were some frozen schmultz. And then during the annual "pick the next american president meeting" someone actually suggested Lieberman. HELLLOOOO how obvious can you GET? What about "secret world conspiracy" do these fuckers NOT GET?

Heh, you Jews and your obviousness. We do a much better job being secretive at the annual Vatican Mafia meeting to decide how to control the vast Catholic hivemind.

...oh, shit, did I say that out loud? Benny the Rat is going to kill me...

Although the second day went a lot better. Sarah Rubenstein ran her yearly seminar "why your children don't call" Saul Moschev was the special guest speaker during "Accounting in the 21st century, how to secretly use his money ot fund our global conspiracy" and a three lawyer panel entitled "blood libel: thousand year defamation or prof ital legal opportunity?" During the closing ceremonies we even had a special performance by Lenny Kravitz.

Well...half of him.

...oh, shit, did I say that out loud? Benny the Rat is going to kill me...

Honey you think you got anything on us? Not for nothing but...Benny the Rat? His real name is Benjamin Ratchstein from Brooklyn, ok?

Honey you think you got anything on us? Not for nothing but...Benny the Rat? His real name is Benjamin Ratchstein from Brooklyn, ok?

That's why you never see him at the annual Clergy & Choirboy jacuzzi sessions.

Honey you think you got anything on us? Not for nothing but...Benny the Rat? His real name is Benjamin Ratchstein from Brooklyn, ok?

Oh, we know that. Unlike you lot, we're okay with converts if we're sure they've seen the error of their ways - and there were more than a few of your friends hiding crucifixes under their pillows at your little shindig, my dear. I don't want to name names, but one of your VIPs this year calls his daughters "Mary" and "Theresa" when no one's around to hear...

And I note you forgot to mention the very well-received lecture on the importance of perpetual guilt as a means for political domination. Well, I hate to break it to you, but that was copied verbatim from our get-together.

You Jew loving bastards can laugh all you want, try to play it all as a game, call it "satire" or whatever helps you shield your mind's eye from what your heart knows is true, even as it pumps its unleavened blood through your godless veins.

Let me tell you something. Being funny is no way to reveal something as inherently asinine by stripping it of all facade and magnifying its most objectionable foundations.

Bullshit like that should be reported to the mods by conscientious, smart, perceptive people who have enough courage and intelligence to not fall for "satire".

Neo Art, you are a fucking jew lawyer and I hope that the vigorous and able representation of your clients in our Jewstice system gets you exactly what you deserve.

And I note you forgot to mention the very well-received lecture on the importance of perpetual guilt as a means for political domination. Well, I hate to break it to you, but that was copied verbatim from our get-together.

You people want to talk to us about guilt? Bitch, please. There have been jewish mothers three THOUSAND years before your little "club" got started.

Don't fuck with the masters

You Jew loving bastards can laugh all you want, try to play it all as a game, call it "satire" or whatever helps you shield your mind's eye from what your heart knows is true, even as it pumps its unleavened blood through your godless veins.

Hey, I'll have you know that my heart does not pump my unleavened blood through my godless veins.

It pumps it through my godless arteries. Sheesh.

You play well with others. I like you. :fluffle: *friendship*

Oh, and it's more likely to be $616,616 ... notsomuch $666,666. :)

ha. either way, I'm happy.

Am I supposed to believe you needed a website to tell you how to spot them? Why didn't you just buy another Jew Detector? I mean they cost, what, $22.50 at Urban Outfitters?

Nah, price got bumped up. Sorry. We learned how to hide our horns better.

yearly meeting of the council of zion.

I missed last years!!! I hope they have lox and creamcheese again :p

And I note you forgot to mention the very well-received lecture on the importance of perpetual guilt as a means for political domination. Well, I hate to break it to you, but that was copied verbatim from our get-together.

LMAO. I love you right now.
Especially cus I just had lunch at my grandparents today. Oy gevalt...

"If you want to debate scripture" you'd be wildly off-topic in this thread.
"If you want to debate scripture" you would do it in a context with some dignity.
"If you want to debate scripture" you'd find someone who isn't barking mad to debate it with.
"If you want to debate scripture" you'd debate without corrupting it from the start with "prayerfulness."
"If you want to debate scripture" it would help to rhapsodize about having a full nappy.
"If you want to debate scripture" it would ill-serve you to open the can of worms labelled "anti-Semite."
"If you want to debate scripture" you would know when to drop it.

(Attempted ***Seventh Flush***. Did I do it right?)

If you had a grasp of "context", you'd know it was Barringtonia, not me, who referenced Psalms 11. I'm just pointing out that, although he quoted it correctly (if you look, he got it right, if you even own a Bible), he totally misunderstood.

And since the verse he referenced IS about shitting one's self, he is completely relevant.

Seriously, there 10 commandments and 613 Mitzvot in the Halakhah, although my Kohein hasn't gone through all of them with me yet, but so far, THERE IS NOT ONE THING IN THAT SAYS ITS BAD TO DROP A DEUCE DURING CLASS OR AT RECESS.

If you had a grasp of "context", you'd know it was Barringtonia, not me, who referenced Psalms 11. I'm just pointing out that, although he quoted it correctly (if you look, he got it right, if you even own a Bible), he totally misunderstood.

And since the verse he referenced IS about shitting one's self, he is completely relevant.

Seriously, there 10 commandments and 613 Mitzvot in the Halakhah, although my Kohein hasn't gone through all of them with me yet, but so far, THERE IS NOT ONE THING IN THAT SAYS ITS BAD TO DROP A DEUCE DURING CLASS OR AT RECESS.

Hey, uh, man? Sorry to tell you this but uh....wrong thread.

You people want to talk to us about guilt? Bitch, please. There have been jewish mothers three THOUSAND years before your little "club" got started.

Don't fuck with the masters

Pssh. You may have invented the concept, but we perfected it. I mean, we came up with the idea that every time you do anything wrong - wearing a condom while screwing, eating the last slice of cake, whatever - you have to make a special trip to church to have your conscience personally cleaned. I mean, seriously, you schmendricks are never going to top that. One wussy little day without food is nothing to a whole freaking holy sacrament of self-loathing.

Hey, uh, man? Sorry to tell you this but uh....wrong thread.

God is everywhere, and his servant, my truth transcends all boundaries.




Shit, now I have to cut and paste...

Pssh. You may have invented the concept, but we perfected it. I mean, we came up with the idea that every time you do anything wrong - wearing a condom while screwing, eating the last slice of cake, whatever - you have to make a special trip to church to have your conscience personally cleaned. I mean, seriously, you schmendricks are never going to top that. One wussy little day without food is nothing to a whole freaking holy sacrament of self-loathing.


Ahhh, and this may have been true until the creation of the telephone. Now, we have a special call from grandma every night...

Ahhh, and this may have been true until the creation of the telephone. Now, we have a special call from grandma every night...

Your little phone calls to "grandma" (read: Mossad) every night are further proof that Jews all work together against us, the pure white man.

Seriously, you people bitch and moan because your elders do what they need to do to ensure the survival of your little cockroach race, but when we whites do the same, we're "racist".

Well, I'll tell you something. I know you've bet the ENTIRE world economy on the box office success of "You Don't Mess With The Zohan", and you better hope it pays off, because the next worldwide Great Depression will wake up the world up to what you're doing.

2009, Jew.

...You know what?
I'm done even pretending to understand Hammurab anymore. :D
I feel like it is better for my sanity.

It reminds me of a joke...

Two old Jewish men in a shtettle in Russia are sitting on a bench reading newspapers. One looks over and sees that his friend is reading the anti-semitic newspaper of the next town over, full of the usual racist garbage. His friend is shocked and says, "Why are you reading that?" Turning the page, the other old Jewish man says "I like to know how powerful we are."

...You know what?
I'm done even pretending to understand Hammurab anymore. :D
I feel like it is better for my sanity.

It reminds me of a joke...

Two old Jewish men in a shtettle in Russia are sitting on a bench reading newspapers. One looks over and sees that his friend is reading the anti-semitic newspaper of the next town over, full of the usual racist garbage. His friend is shocked and says, "Why are you reading that?" Turning the page, the other old Jewish man says "I like to know how powerful we are."

Yeah, haha. The fact is, Jews have a hierarchy, just like any other power structure. Not all Jews get the full newsletter.

Do you seriously think that every Jew, treacherous as they are, is trusted by the Learned Elders of Zion with all the information?

Do you think William Shatner gets the same information as John Stewart?

You probably think all blacks look alike, too. They do, though, but you know what I mean.

...You know what?
I'm done even pretending to understand Hammurab anymore. :D
I feel like it is better for my sanity.

Sanity is overrated.

Well first off, the concept of the Anti-Christ is some 2000 years old, and originated with Jews - its not a Protestant invention.

Second, if you understood Christianity well enough, you'd know that most Christians also suspect that Jesus is going to return to rule the earth for a millennium before the new heaven and earth is created.

As Psalms states - the Messiah (Jesus, for the Christians) will both sacrifice himself and rule in The House of David. The former has happened (crucifixion), but that latter has not. Many are aware of this - and consequently believe that Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years after the Antichrist does - but before the judgement.

So: both Jews and Christians expect Christ to physically rule the earth. Only the Christians believe that the first world leader will be the Anti-Christ, whereas the Jews will accept this man as the Messiah. The Christians then believe that the Antichrist will be defeated, and Christ will rule.

Problem explained?
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Delegate of The Council of Narnia

Thanks for answering my question. So many Christians do believe the Jews will believe the Anti-Christ is the Messiah, ahh...

Thanks for answering my question. So many Christians do believe the Jews will believe the Anti-Christ is the Messiah, ahh...

Leave Narnian Councils alone. Its all there in scriptures. Jews will follow the anti-christ, but the GOOD news is that Jesus Christ, Christian, will prevail and perfect all the jews by turning them into christians.

Didn't you read Ann Coulter's book, or were you too busy reading the Kabbalah, Talmud, Consumer Reports, and other Jewish bullshit propaganda?

You know, if a pig fucker can be a Catholic Saint, I think I'm gonna be okay. :)

LMAO. Sigged.