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Good-effing-bye to one of the arseholes responsib le for the Christo-fascist takeover of the GOP.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/1755723/

i was amazed to find out that he had been alive all this time.

did anyone have him in the dead pool?

'twas a happy ending to my 4th...

people dying FTW!

I don't care about sensitivity in the words of Ralph Wiggum "He's going to smell like hot dogs!"

Must be God's punishment on him for being a racist, homophobic arsehole.

i was amazed to find out that he had been alive all this time.

did anyone have him in the dead pool?

Damn...I bet on him to be in the closet not die >_<

Political differences aside, gloating over someone's death is a bit tasteless.

Political differences aside, gloating over someone's death is a bit tasteless.

This is NSG, did you really expect tatse?

Must be God's punishment on him for being a racist, homophobic arsehole.

I hope you're being ironic.

Seriously, the whole "it was punishment from God" thing is getting old. I'm told for example, that California's wildfires are a direct result of legalizing gay marriage.

Political differences aside, gloating over someone's death is a bit tasteless.

Are you sure? I thought that only applied to people with souls.

I hope you're being ironic.


Yes. I see from wikipedia his father was known as "Big Jesse" to his family - obviously they were not familiar with what that means in Scotland.

I hope you're being ironic.

Seriously, the whole "it was punishment from God" thing is getting old. I'm told for example, that California's wildfires are a direct result of legalizing gay marriage.

To bad it wasn't like when Robertson prayed to god to hit disney world with a hurricane during gay day, but his HQ got hit with one instead....

Political differences aside, gloating over someone's death is a bit tasteless. Of course, Jesse was not a shining example of American compassion and taste either.

For Americans, this makes me think of a line from the comedian George Wallace:

"Today, Senator Jesse Helms died and It's About Damn Time!"

Ding-dong!

This is NSG, did you really expect tatse?

I had hoped for a little civility.

I'm told for example, that California's wildfires are a direct result of legalizing gay marriage.

That's retarded. Did you point out to whoever told you this that they've had wildfires in CA in the summer for(as far as I can remember off the top of my head) the last ten years, and probably as long as there's been a CA?

I had a friend who told me that someone they knew was psychic because 'they predicted Hurricane Katrina' My response of 'Really? They predicted hurricanes? In the Gulf of Mexico? Wow. That's some psychic talent there. What're they going to do for an encore, predict snow in January?' was not charitably received.

Of course, Jesse was not a shining example of American compassion and taste either.

And if that's true, does his bad behavior justify yours?

To bad it wasn't like when Robertson prayed to god to hit disney world with a hurricane during gay day, but his HQ got hit with one instead....

Source! NOW! Please? I beg of you! SOURCE! :D

I had hoped for a little civility.

I had hoped for a politician that wouldn't become the voice of the worse kind of idiocy the US ever came up with. Helms didn't deliver.

So, DING-DONG, the moron's dead!

That's retarded. Did you point out to whoever told you this that they've had wildfires in CA in the summer for(as far as I can remember off the top of my head) the last ten years, and probably as long as there's been a CA?

I wasn't told it, my friend's grandparent told him it.

There's really nothing you can do in the face of such awesome thick-headedness. Reason? Facts? It'll bounce off their Shield of Irrational Bigotry.

I had a friend who told me that someone they knew was psychic because 'they predicted Hurricane Katrina' My response of 'Really? They predicted hurricanes? In the Gulf of Mexico? Wow. That's some psychic talent there. What're they going to do for an encore, predict snow in January?' was not charitably received.

Well, they could mean the rather serious disasterous effects that Katrina, more than other hurricanes, had. Rather than just the fact that a hurricane would come.

All I can think of right now is the MC Hawking song. Does that make me a bad person?

And if that's true, does his bad behavior justify yours? I mock Hitler, and Jesse was certainly a fascist wannabe . . . yep, ex-alive ex-Senator Helms earned himself some Grade A mockery, both alive and in death :cool:

Source! NOW! Please? I beg of you! SOURCE! :D

But if Robertson’s track record as a divine weathercaster holds true, Oregonians may have less to fear than do the citizens in the Tidewater Virginia area that is headquarters to Robertson’s rightwing political and religious enclave. In 1998, Robertson predicted all sorts of disasters would smite central Florida:

After Orlando … city officials voted in 1998 to fly rainbow flags from city lampposts during the annual Gay Days event at Disney World, Robertson issued the city a warning: “I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you. … [A] condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs, it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor.”

Instead, God smote Robertson by hurling Hurricane Bonnie directly at Virginia Beach that August:

Overnight, Bonnie drifted out into the Atlantic southeast of Kitty Hawk, North Carolina … Rough surf pounded the Atlantic coastline as far north as New England, while 12- to 15-foot swells were reported along the Virginia coast. Winds as high as 90 mph snapped ship mooring ropes and left hundreds of thousands of people without electricity on Friday in the Virginia Beach-Norfolk area.


http://www.pensitoreview.com/2006/05/18/god-reveals-weather-report-to-pat-robertson/

All I can think of right now is the MC Hawking song. Does that make me a bad person?

Only if you don't tell me the lyrics.

Well, they could mean the rather serious disasterous effects that Katrina, more than other hurricanes, had. Rather than just the fact that a hurricane would come.

Possibly, but you don't exactly have to be psychic to see that New Orleans was going to get its ass whupped by a hurricane sooner or later. Same thing happened to Galveston TX at the beginning of the last century(I think it was 1901 or so, I dunno)and that city never did recover fully.


I mock Hitler, and Jesse was certainly a fascist wannabe . . . yep, ex-alive ex-Senator Helms earned himself some Grade A mockery, both alive and in death :cool:

Glad to see that you are taking the high road and being the bigger person.

Only if you don't tell me the lyrics.

I'll do you one better. The link to the MP3 is here (http://www.mchawking.com/mp3s/)... it's the one called "Why Won't Jesse Helms Just Hurry Up And Die?"

(And now I really feel like a bad person.)

Glad to see that you are taking the high road and being the bigger person.

careful not to fall off you high horse and into the mud.

I'll do you one better. The link to the MP3 is here (http://www.mchawking.com/mp3s/)... it's the one called "Why Won't Jesse Helms Just Hurry Up And Die?"

(And now I really feel like a bad person.)

You're a good person! :D

Possibly, but you don't exactly have to be psychic to see that New Orleans was going to get its ass whupped by a hurricane sooner or later. Same thing happened to Galveston TX at the beginning of the last century(I think it was 1901 or so, I dunno)and that city never did recover fully.

Well yeah, I'd say there was definitely no psychic power involved. :)

careful not to fall off you high horse and into the mud.

Forgive me for embracing the provincial and possibly backwards notion that it's tasteless to gloat about someone's death, regardless of what you disagree with them about.

Forgive me for embracing the provincial and possibly backwards notion that it's tasteless to gloat about someone's death, regardless of what you disagree with them about.

You seem to think that we are disputing that.

We aren't.

It IS tasteless, and we're doing it anyways! :D

*Passes party hats around*

Damn...I bet on him to be in the closet not die >_<

do we have a pool on that?

did we all try to be the first to stake the claim that fred phelps would be found in a compromising position with some male relative?

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I'm not glad he's dead per se, but I'm not going to be crying for him either. The man was a repulsive, bigoted jerk, but I suppose his family and friends have my sympathy.

I'm not glad he's dead per se, but I'm not going to be crying for him either. The man was a repulsive, bigoted jerk, but I suppose his family and friends have my sympathy.

Indeed. My condolences to his family. However, the world is not really missing much by his leaving us.

I'm not glad he's dead per se, but I'm not going to be crying for him either. The man was a repulsive, bigoted jerk, but I suppose his family and friends have my sympathy.

His family and friends are probably just as fucked up as he was.

So: Ding dong!

I'm not smiling, but I do feel a little relieved that he's gone. The world is a better place with one less corrupt, lying, racist bastard in it. However, I'm still saving my special red dress for Dick Cheney's funeral.

I'm not smiling, but I do feel a little relieved that he's gone. The world is a better place with one less corrupt, lying, racist bastard in it. However, I'm still saving my special red dress for Dick Cheney's funeral.

You realize that upon "death", Cheney is just going to collapse into black smoke and reform into a new form a few years later, right?

You realize that upon "death", Cheney is just going to collapse into black smoke and reform into a new form a few years later, right?
That evil bastard is never going to die. I might stage his funeral anyway, just for a chance to wear that dress before I get too old and fat for it.

That evil bastard is never going to die. I might stage his funeral anyway, just for a chance to wear that dress before I get too old and fat for it.

oh come on mur....

you're not getting that old.

:p

....I'm so fucking dead

oh come on mur....

you're not getting that old.

:p

....I'm so fucking dead

It's been nice knowing you. :p

oh come on mur....

you're not getting that old.

:p

....I'm so fucking dead

And I'm pretty sure most judges would see it as involuntary manslaughter, too...

it's Been Nice Knowing You. :p

I regret NOTHING!

I regret NOTHING!

I regret SOMETHING!

oh come on mur....

you're not getting that old.

:p

....I'm so fucking dead
I hope you kissed your ass goodbye this morning.

I regret NOTHING!
You will.

Good-effing-bye to one of the arseholes responsib le for the Christo-fascist takeover of the GOP.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/1755723/

I won't gloat while his body's still warm, but I won't mourn, either.

Wow...never seen NSG happier than when a Neo-Con dies...

Wow...never seen NSG happier than when a Neo-Con dies...

Saddam Hussein wasn't a neoconservative. Honestly, I'm not sure Helms qualifies either. Paleoconservative, maybe.

I refuse to dance on a person's grave. I felt the same way when Reverend Jerry Falwell died.

Just because I think Senator Helms' views were abhorrent, mean, spiteful, hateful and intentionally divisive doesn't mean I can't respect the man in death for having held to them consistently for his whole career. Not many people can say that. He was a father, a husband, a brother, a friend, a mentor and Senator of the United States. People are grieving. Show some humanity, if not respect, please. If a mid-left liberal like me can give a multi-term paleo-conservative Senator his due, we all can, even if only for a few moments.

I refuse to dance on a person's grave. I felt the same way when Reverend Jerry Falwell died.

Just because I think Senator Helms' views were abhorrent, mean, spiteful, hateful and intentionally divisive doesn't mean I can't respect the man in death for having held to them consistently for his whole career. Not many people can say that. He was a father, a husband, a brother, a friend, a mentor and Senator of the United States. People are grieving. Show some humanity, if not respect, please. If a mid-left liberal like me can give a multi-term paleo-conservative Senator his due, we all can, even if only for a few moments.
This is very nice of you, but I feel that I have already given him his due simply by noting that he is dead.

While I feel no joy when someone dies, I can at least be happy that someone of his ilk no longer has any power left in this world to further his twisted, hateful, and utterly destructive ideology.

But I don't wish people like Jesse Helms death. While we may be better off without their influence, we'd be even better off if they lived to renounce their abhorrant ideology publically.

While I feel no joy when someone dies, I can at least be happy that someone of his ilk no longer has any power left in this world to further his twisted, hateful, and utterly destructive ideology.

But I don't wish people like Jesse Helms death. While we may be better off without their influence, we'd be even better off if they lived to renounce their abhorrant ideology publically.
I don't wish death on people either. I often wonder when certain people will die, but I don't seek to rush the process. However, death comes to us all, so I don't see any reason to pussy-foot around it. I've never been one of those "don't speak ill of the dead" types. I will do my enemies the honor in death of being as honest about my feelings towards them as I was when they were alive.

So my final response to the news is this: I never had the slightest respect for Jesse Helms. Now he's dead so I can stop thinking about him. The End.

This is very nice of you, but I feel that I have already given him his due simply by noting that he is dead.

Fair enough.

I owe the man a debt for presenting himself as such a visible target and example of ass-backward thinking. Without him and Strom Thurmond around, there's only Ted Stevens...and that seems like taking candy from a baby corpse.

I refuse to dance on a person's grave. I felt the same way when Reverend Jerry Falwell died.

Just because I think Senator Helms' views were abhorrent, mean, spiteful, hateful and intentionally divisive doesn't mean I can't respect the man in death for having held to them consistently for his whole career. Not many people can say that. He was a father, a husband, a brother, a friend, a mentor and Senator of the United States. People are grieving. Show some humanity, if not respect, please. If a mid-left liberal like me can give a multi-term paleo-conservative Senator his due, we all can, even if only for a few moments.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that he had no redeeming qualities. His harm may have astronomically outdone his good, but I still think that he probably had a fair amount of decent qualities.

Good-effing-bye to one of the arseholes responsible for the Christo-fascist takeover of the GOP.
Hear, hear. *bows*

Political differences aside, gloating over someone's death is a bit tasteless.

I see you're new here. Welcome to NSG.

Without him and Strom Thurmond around, there's only Ted Stevens...and that seems like taking candy from a baby corpse.
Here's the fucked up part - he was in a parade today (or at least his sniper-target lookalike) in Kenai, where they were throwing candy at the onlookers. His float was a car with his campaign posters on it.
I noted a distinct lack of Incredible Hulk ties on him, which made me doubt whether it was him. Believable facsimile if nothing else.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that he had no redeeming qualities. His harm may have astronomically outdone his good, but I still think that he probably had a fair amount of decent qualities.

I agree.

Here's the fucked up part - he was in a parade today (or at least his sniper-target lookalike) in Kenai, where they were throwing candy at the onlookers. His float was a car with his campaign posters on it.
I noted a distinct lack of Incredible Hulk ties on him, which made me doubt whether it was him. Believable facsimile if nothing else.

I have never understood political candidates throwing candy at parades. What's the philosophy there? The constituency most likely to be interested in it can't vote for you, and I doubt many kids go home and tell the voting-age folks in the house to "vote for the guy who threw out the Tootsie Rolls!"

I have never understood political candidates throwing candy at parades. What's the philosophy there? The constituency most likely to be interested in it can't vote for you, and I doubt many kids go home and tell the voting-age folks in the house to "vote for the guy who threw out the Tootsie Rolls!"
Good point. Had it really been more true to form, it would've been Baco-Bits and pork chops he'da been tossin'.

Must be God's punishment on him for being a racist, homophobic arsehole.

so thats the cause of his long life. I am taking notes.

so thats the cause of his long life. I am taking notes.

Well keeping him alive with dementia seems to have been part of the plan. Maybe you would be better off modelling yourself on Fidel Castro.

Well keeping him alive with dementia seems to have been part of the plan.

dementia ??? are you sure. I couldn't tell the difference between that and his normal preaching.

dementia ??? Are You Sure. I Couldn't Tell The Difference Between That And His Normal Preaching.

Neither could he

Neither could he

so the way he was is caused by dementia . so he is not responsible for anything he said.

Damn...I bet on him to be in the closet not die >_<

Okay, before you make fun of the departed, get your facts straight.

Helms was NOT gay. I know because I worked in his office. In fact, he was so straight, he actually helped gay people get victory in christ and stop being gay!

In fact, 3 or 4 days a week, gay men would come to the office, dressed in their vain outfits, shoes with buckles, gelled hair, and bringing these great salads that their friend Bryce made through his catering business.

And Helms would take them into his office, and pray with them, all morning, helping them excise their wrong thoughts, helping them be filled with victory in christ.

And it worked. Those gay men came out of there saying they wouldn't be having sodomy oriented relations for days.

Show some respect for a man who spent his life doing the rights things, and if you are at his funeral, Javier and Eriq are bringing some of those salads. Seriously, try some.

Okay, before you make fun of the departed, get your facts straight.

Helms was NOT gay. I know because I worked in his office. In fact, he was so straight, he actually helped gay people get victory in christ and stop being gay!

In fact, 3 or 4 days a week, gay men would come to the office, dressed in their vain outfits, shoes with buckles, gelled hair, and bringing these great salads that their friend Bryce made through his catering business.

And Helms would take them into his office, and pray with them, all morning, helping them excise their wrong thoughts, helping them be filled with victory in christ.

And it worked. Those gay men came out of there saying they wouldn't be having sodomy oriented relations for days.

Show some respect for a man who spent his life doing the rights things, and if you are at his funeral, Javier and Eriq are bringing some of those salads. Seriously, try some.

Given that recent medical studies have indicated that homosexual males and females have brainwave patterns more consistent with heterosexuals of the opposite gender, I would surmise that the whole "Pray Away The Gay" idea is just as psychologically debilitating as forcing southpaws to write with their right hand, and very likely much more so.

Given that recent medical studies have indicated that homosexual males and females have brainwave patterns more consistent with heterosexuals of the opposite gender, I would surmise that the whole "Pray Away The Gay" idea is just as psychologically debilitating as forcing southpaws to write with their right hand, and very likely much more so.

Oh, here we ago, another laughable attempt to use peer-reviewed research to justify sin.

First of all, there is no such thing as a brainwave. Recent advances in imaging as well as the burgeoning field of neuroplasticity have shown that mental activity is best rendered as a sinusoidal function, with varying properties of speed, period, amplitude, and other measurable characteristics. This has nothing to do with a wave.

Second, left handed people are sinister, by definition. Check the etymology of the word.

Regarding any maladaptive impact of prayer on gays, just remember that negligible associated factors like depression, isolation, paralyzing inner conflict, and abiding, pervasive self-hatred are a small price to pay for an eternity with Christ.

Okay, before you make fun of the departed, get your facts straight.

Helms was NOT gay. I know because I worked in his office. In fact, he was so straight, he actually helped gay people get victory in christ and stop being gay!

In fact, 3 or 4 days a week, gay men would come to the office, dressed in their vain outfits, shoes with buckles, gelled hair, and bringing these great salads that their friend Bryce made through his catering business.

And Helms would take them into his office, and pray with them, all morning, helping them excise their wrong thoughts, helping them be filled with victory in christ.

And it worked. Those gay men came out of there saying they wouldn't be having sodomy oriented relations for days.

Show some respect for a man who spent his life doing the rights things, and if you are at his funeral, Javier and Eriq are bringing some of those salads. Seriously, try some.

:D

It is comforting the number of right-wing fundie Christians who spend their time on their knees with a gay man. I believe Ted Haggard also chose to perform this service.

I refuse to dance on a person's grave. I felt the same way when Reverend Jerry Falwell died.

Just because I think Senator Helms' views were abhorrent, mean, spiteful, hateful and intentionally divisive doesn't mean I can't respect the man in death for having held to them consistently for his whole career. Not many people can say that. He was a father, a husband, a brother, a friend, a mentor and Senator of the United States. People are grieving. Show some humanity, if not respect, please. If a mid-left liberal like me can give a multi-term paleo-conservative Senator his due, we all can, even if only for a few moments.

Man gets all the respect (or lack of there of) he deserves, in life and death.

No, I don't know the person in question nor do I care. Just stating the obvious.

Good-effing-bye to one of the arseholes responsib le for the Christo-fascist takeover of the GOP.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/1755723/

Even if you do not like him, that is no reason to cheer his death.

May he rest in peace.

I refuse to dance on a person's grave. I felt the same way when Reverend Jerry Falwell died.

Just because I think Senator Helms' views were abhorrent, mean, spiteful, hateful and intentionally divisive doesn't mean I can't respect the man in death for having held to them consistently for his whole career. Not many people can say that. He was a father, a husband, a brother, a friend, a mentor and Senator of the United States. People are grieving. Show some humanity, if not respect, please. If a mid-left liberal like me can give a multi-term paleo-conservative Senator his due, we all can, even if only for a few moments.

To bad people won't follow your advice. Goes to show just how stupid people are. Well said.

Must be God's punishment on him for being a racist, homophobic arsehole.

At 86 I don't think his death can be called punishment for anything. But Jesus died in his 30's, so perhaps it was just that God said "OK, he's had as much a chance as is reasonable. He's never going to get himself into heaven."

I refuse to dance on a person's grave. I felt the same way when Reverend Jerry Falwell died.

Just because I think Senator Helms' views were abhorrent, mean, spiteful, hateful and intentionally divisive doesn't mean I can't respect the man in death for having held to them consistently for his whole career. Not many people can say that. He was a father, a husband, a brother, a friend, a mentor and Senator of the United States. People are grieving. Show some humanity, if not respect, please. If a mid-left liberal like me can give a multi-term paleo-conservative Senator his due, we all can, even if only for a few moments.

How does being evil for a long time earn respect? Keeping your evil views for your whole life does not make you devoted, consistent, or any other word that implies virtue.

When someone is evil and refuses any opportunity for redemption the correct word is incorrigible. But even that is no longer entierly fitting because it carries the air of someone being a lovable scamp.

The man was pure evil. The world is better off for his absence, but would have been better served had that absence occured sooner. Jeffrey Dahmer had relatives. The 9/11 hijackers had relatives. That Jesse Helms had relatives does nothing to humanize him.

I'll show humanity. I will give him his due. He was a tumor in the American psyche that has been excised. Whatever pain his death caused is akin to that suffered from a biopsy. It's unpleasant, but the whole is better served by the hole.

To bad people won't follow your advice. Goes to show just how stupid people are. Well said.

Some people are. But for those who refuse to give respect to someone for being pure evil because at least he was pure is not stupidity. Stupidity is the inability to tell the difference between fearless advocacy for what is right in the face of popular resistance like MLK and the egotistical desire to oppress and destroy those who are most vulnerable because one has the support of the monied elite.

Jesse Helms was not able to "stick to his values" because of dedication and a clear vision of what was right. It was because he was in league with power and his continued power was dependent on his being evil. The only thing consistent about his was his willingness to be bribed by money and power. That's not a good thing, and it entitles him to no respect. He was a tool. When a tool no longer works you do not mourn it. You get a new one.

When the tool that is broken is one that is being used to bludgeon you you do not mourn when it is broken. You let out a sigh of relief and try to gather your strength before you tormentor returns with a new one.

Oh, here we ago, another laughable attempt to use peer-reviewed research to justify sin.

I declare it not to be sin.

If you don't like it, if you want to take this to a higher authority, there isn't one.

It stops with me!

Good point. Had it really been more true to form, it would've been Baco-Bits and pork chops he'da been tossin'.

And a mess o' greens, too!

so thats the cause of his long life. I am taking notes.

Quoth Lewis Black: "The good die young, and pricks live forEVER!"

Man gets all the respect (or lack of there of) he deserves, in life and death.

No, I don't know the person in question nor do I care. Just stating the obvious.

Obvious to you, perhaps.

How does being evil for a long time earn respect? Keeping your evil views for your whole life does not make you devoted, consistent, or any other word that implies virtue.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who do not think of Senator Helms as evil. Are they all evil, too? I appreciate that you hate the man. I'm not asking anyone to change their opinions. In fact, fuck it -- I'm not asking for anything. It's your karma, you deal with it.

When someone is evil and refuses any opportunity for redemption the correct word is incorrigible. But even that is no longer entierly fitting because it carries the air of someone being a lovable scamp.

I'm not sure anyone ever called him "lovable", either. Are you sure you know who you're talking about?

The man was pure evil. The world is better off for his absence, but would have been better served had that absence occured sooner. Jeffrey Dahmer had relatives. The 9/11 hijackers had relatives. That Jesse Helms had relatives does nothing to humanize him.

So a US Senator who was elected multiple times to office is no better than Mohammed Atta or Jeffrey Dahmer. Nice sense of perspective there. Unless they find the skins of children drying in his root cellar, and his wife or relatives come out and say to the camera "I always wondered about Jesse's huge collection of tiny shoes," you're engaging in hyperbole.

I'll show humanity. I will give him his due. He was a tumor in the American psyche that has been excised. Whatever pain his death caused is akin to that suffered from a biopsy. It's unpleasant, but the whole is better served by the hole.

Thou sayest.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who do not think of Senator Helms as evil. Are they all evil, too? I appreciate that you hate the man. I'm not asking anyone to change their opinions.

Yes. They are evil. They may not all have started out as evil, but by being persuaded to his side they have become evil.

I know a woman who became a Bush supporter because she opposes abortion. Now because she has become a Bush supporter she supports genocide in the Middle East. Her exact words, spoken in frustration that Iraq is going so poorly was "they should just bomb the whole place so they'll leave us alone."

If you are pro-evil you are evil.

So a US Senator who was elected multiple times to office is no better than Mohammed Atta or Jeffrey Dahmer. Nice sense of perspective there. Unless they find the skins of children drying in his root cellar, and his wife or relatives come out and say to the camera "I always wondered about Jesse's huge collection of tiny shoes," you're engaging in hyperbole.

No I'm not. Dahmer may have concentrated all his evil on a few victims, but Helms harmed the lives of millions of people in thousands of ways both overt and subtle. He has also promoted the institutions that still serve to create many more Jesse Helms. At least when Dahmer was discovered he could be stopped. Jesse Helms is dead, but his evil lives on in the culture he fostered.

Besides which, I was not making a statement comparing their evil. I was simply saying that just because someone is sad that you're gone doesn't mean that your going is a bad thing. When a rabid pit bull savages a child the owner invariably says "pit bulls are gentle animals, there's no reason to put him down."

Oh, here we ago, another laughable attempt to use peer-reviewed research to justify sin.

First of all, there is no such thing as a brainwave. Recent advances in imaging as well as the burgeoning field of neuroplasticity have shown that mental activity is best rendered as a sinusoidal function, with varying properties of speed, period, amplitude, and other measurable characteristics. This has nothing to do with a wave.

Second, left handed people are sinister, by definition. Check the etymology of the word.

Regarding any maladaptive impact of prayer on gays, just remember that negligible associated factors like depression, isolation, paralyzing inner conflict, and abiding, pervasive self-hatred are a small price to pay for an eternity with Christ.


Are you a troll or satirist? Because there is no way you are for real. Someone so utterly stupid and out of touch cannot possibly use a computer.

Besides which, I was not making a statement comparing their evil. I was simply saying that just because someone is sad that you're gone doesn't mean that your going is a bad thing. When a rabid pit bull savages a child the owner invariably says "pit bulls are gentle animals, there's no reason to put him down."

Indeed. Im sure many people are sad that Stalin is gone too.

Are you a troll or satirist? Because there is no way you are for real. Someone so utterly stupid and out of touch cannot possibly use a computer.

He's a troll. Do your best to ignore him.

Second, left handed people are sinister, by definition. Check the etymology of the word.

When my people rule the world, I will make you bow to me personally!

We'll see who's sinister then, won't we? Well, it'll probably be me, since I took over the world. But I'll have the power, so who cares.

*coughs*

...Tea, anyone?

Are you a troll or satirist? Because there is no way you are for real. Someone so utterly stupid and out of touch cannot possibly use a computer.

He's a fakeposter, and a damn good one at that.

Yes. They are evil. They may not all have started out as evil, but by being persuaded to his side they have become evil.

I was going to go through this post point by point, but I can't get past how incredibly narrow minded and shallow this statement is. If you truly believe this, then I'd be better served arguing with a bison. How does such reliance on the convenient label "evil" make you any different than Bush or his supporters?

I know a woman who became a Bush supporter because she opposes abortion. Now because she has become a Bush supporter she supports genocide in the Middle East. Her exact words, spoken in frustration that Iraq is going so poorly was "they should just bomb the whole place so they'll leave us alone."

If you are pro-evil you are evil.



No I'm not. Dahmer may have concentrated all his evil on a few victims, but Helms harmed the lives of millions of people in thousands of ways both overt and subtle. He has also promoted the institutions that still serve to create many more Jesse Helms. At least when Dahmer was discovered he could be stopped. Jesse Helms is dead, but his evil lives on in the culture he fostered.

Besides which, I was not making a statement comparing their evil. I was simply saying that just because someone is sad that you're gone doesn't mean that your going is a bad thing. When a rabid pit bull savages a child the owner invariably says "pit bulls are gentle animals, there's no reason to put him down."

Are you a troll or satirist? Because there is no way you are for real. Someone so utterly stupid and out of touch cannot possibly use a computer.

It was satire.

He's a fakeposter, and a damn good one at that.

He's a work of art. Did you see in the Anti-christ thread when he responded to my St. Anthony quote with an L. Ron Hubbard quote? I worship this man. *nod*

He's a work of art. Did you see in the Anti-christ thread when he responded to my St. Anthony quote with an L. Ron Hubbard quote? I worship this man. *nod*

And that, friends, is high praise indeed.

He's a work of art. Did you see in the Anti-christ thread when he responded to my St. Anthony quote with an L. Ron Hubbard quote? I worship this man. *nod*

Yep.

Forgive me for embracing the provincial and possibly backwards notion that it's tasteless to gloat about someone's death, regardless of what you disagree with them about.

What's so provincial and backwards about it? It IS tasteless to gloat about someone's death just because you disagree with them about whatever.

What's so provincial and backwards about it? It IS tasteless to gloat about someone's death just because you disagree with them about whatever.

If you read the thread they even admit it, they just don't care :rolleyes:

so the way he was is caused by dementia . so he is not responsible for anything he said.
He was obviously possessed by daemons. His record clearly indicated it. He just had a really good PR front, consisting of some of the same offal that brought the last 8 or so years of misery to the citizens of the U.S.

What's so provincial and backwards about it? It IS tasteless to gloat about someone's death just because you disagree with them about whatever.You mean to include, of course, that person Shrubya had executed in Texas that he snickered about, right?
Also - keep this philosophy in mind next time you talk to a U.S. soldier in Iraq. See if they share your perception on that. As well as the rightwing flagwavers in the U.S. when mentioning Iraqi casualties.

He's a troll. Do your best to ignore him.
Ignore the itchiness and swelling. Just make sure you inform whomever you're going to deal with intimately.

I will give him his due. He was a tumor in the American psyche that has been excised. Whatever pain his death caused is akin to that suffered from a biopsy. It's unpleasant, but the whole is better served by the hole.
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Jesus died in his 30's, so perhaps it was just that God said "OK, he's had as much a chance as is reasonable. He's never going to get himself into heaven."

mega-*BOW*

Are you a troll or satirist? Because there is no way you are for real. Someone so utterly stupid and out of touch cannot possibly use a computer.

Wrong again. Anybody who can spell their own name and write their password down on their Deluxe Steven Covey 7 Habits of Highly Effective Faith Internet Login Information Page Insert (tm) can use a computer to post here.

Assume what you want about me, but calling me stupid and out of touch with reality won't change the fact that Jess Helms is now in Heaven, which, according to something he once told me in the backseat of a 1994 Buick Roadmaster with heavily tinted windows, consists of him having a nice brownstone in the arts district of Paradise, with the adjacent unit occupied by a 20ish Hispanic fellow who's totally into Pilates. Even in death, Mr. Helms considered his body a temple and wanted it attended to.

Jess Helms is now in Heaven, which, according to something he once told me in the backseat of a 1994 Buick Roadmaster with heavily tinted windows, consists of him having a nice brownstone in the arts district of Paradise, with the adjacent unit occupied by a 20ish Hispanic fellow who's totally into Pilates. Even in death, Mr. Helms considered his body a temple and wanted it attended to.

Oh, satire. :p

Jess Helms is now in Heaven, which, according to something he once told me in the backseat of a 1994 Buick Roadmaster with heavily tinted windows, consists of him having a nice brownstone in the arts district of Paradise, with the adjacent unit occupied by a 20ish Hispanic fellow who's totally into Pilates. Even in death, Mr. Helms considered his body a temple and wanted it attended to.

You know, I always suspected he swung that way. :D

Wrong again. Anybody who can spell their own name and write their password down on their Deluxe Steven Covey 7 Habits of Highly Effective Faith Internet Login Information Page Insert (tm) can use a computer to post here.

Assume what you want about me, but calling me stupid and out of touch with reality won't change the fact that Jess Helms is now in Heaven, which, according to something he once told me in the backseat of a 1994 Buick Roadmaster with heavily tinted windows, consists of him having a nice brownstone in the arts district of Paradise, with the adjacent unit occupied by a 20ish Hispanic fellow who's totally into Pilates. Even in death, Mr. Helms considered his body a temple and wanted it attended to.

Now, the only question is if you are the reincarnation of Jhann or someone totally different. I suspect the former.

Now, the only question is if you are the reincarnation of Jhann or someone totally different. I suspect the former.
I helped ... erm, inject ... "Jhann" into Nanatsu No Tsuki a while back. Perhaps she'd know if she had the love child by the name of Hammurab. I suspect she would have imparted a slightly more flexible set of codified laws than he would espouse, though.

You mean to include, of course, that person Shrubya had executed in Texas that he snickered about, right?

This part, I got.

Also - keep this philosophy in mind next time you talk to a U.S. soldier in Iraq. See if they share your perception on that. As well as the rightwing flagwavers in the U.S. when mentioning Iraqi casualties.

This part, not so much. I'm fairly certain that I've never heard a right-wing flag-waver dance on a soldier's grave. I must have missed some context.

Well keeping him alive with dementia seems to have been part of the plan. Maybe you would be better off modelling yourself on Fidel Castro.

Nobody is better off modeling themselves on Fidel Castro. Unless maybe the only alternative role model available is Josef Stalin.

I was going to go through this post point by point, but I can't get past how incredibly narrow minded and shallow this statement is. If you truly believe this, then I'd be better served arguing with a bison. How does such reliance on the convenient label "evil" make you any different than Bush or his supporters?

Tell me one thing, just one, that was good about Jesse Helms. Tell me how the world is any better off for the behavior in which he engaged. Tell me how you can believe in the works of an evil man without being an evil person yourself?

I've never met a good Nazi. I've never met a good Klansman. And while I've met decent Republicans, none of them were planning to vote Republican in the foreseeable future.

He was a racist, homophobic, intolerant, ignorant, friend of big tobacco, but an enemy of small start-up tobacco concerns. When a person takes the wrong side in every question of morality and does harm with his every action what other word should I use? I can either call him evil or I can write a paragraph on him every time I would use his name.

Forget it. I'm not going to go through his point by point. I'll leave his eulogy to the inimitable MC Hawking.


Verse 1
Big fat fuck from North Carolina state,
he's a worthless piece of shit, he's a paragon of hate,
he's a redneck, fuck-face, brain-dead waste of space,
two-bit, two-timing, motherfucking pool of slime.
Against gay rights, and funding for the arts,
tried to cancel PBS and tear Big Bird apart.
cut AIDS funding, corporate welfare for the rich,
he's a shameless money grubber, he's a two dollar bitch.

Chorus
Why won't Jesse Helms just hurry up and die?

Verse 2
Fundamentalist, fuckwad, dickless prick,
he's ugly as a morlock, dumb as a brick.
He's a sack of shit, hypocrite, single-minded, fat bigot,
punk bitch, ignorant, ass-munch sycophant.
Life long friend of the deadly cancer sticks,
thinks AIDS is the fault of the people it inflicts.
Racist fuck who supports segregation,
foe of the people friend of the corporation.

Chorus

Breakdown
Uh.
Damn.
Get up, get up!

Chorus

Trash Talk
Yo Jesse, you dumb-ass, racist, cracker motherfucker!
Why the fuck won't you just hurry up and die?
And take that punk-bitch Strom Thurmond with you!

Nobody is better off modeling themselves on Fidel Castro. Unless maybe the only alternative role model available is Josef Stalin.

Hey, Castro may have been an absolute prick, but he had some damn good fashion sense.

Nobody is better off modeling themselves on Fidel Castro. Unless maybe the only alternative role model available is Josef Stalin.

Fidel wins over Jesse Helms anyday

Gravedancing. You're classy guys.

Gravedancing. You're classy guys.

Well, duh. That's why we're sticking to waltzes and ballet.

Well, duh. That's why we're sticking to waltzes and ballet.

Maybe YOU are. This situation calls for the bizarre lovechild of breakdancing and squaredancing. Squarebreakers, go!

Fidel wins over Jesse Helms anyday

Wow. At least now it's obvious where all the crazy pills have gone.

He's a troll. Do your best to ignore him.
Sometimes I wonder if people on the internet have no sense of reality or just no sense of perspective.

Here we see several wondering whether Hammurab is serious, when any person who stops to think about what they read can tell instantly that he is joking -- brilliantly, I might add.

And they are wondering this in a thread where people are arguing over whether Jesse Helms was a nice guy or not, now that he's dead -- as if any of them (but one or two) would have done anything but spit on him when he was alive. What -- are they afraid he'll haunt them if they don't say nice things about him now?

And you call Hammurab a troll for making fun of this thread? I think he's behaving entirely appropriately to it. He makes the thread readable at least.

Wow. At least now it's obvious where all the crazy pills have gone.

If you are defending Jesse Helms, then yes it is pretty clear.

This part, not so much. I'm fairly certain that I've never heard a right-wing flag-waver dance on a soldier's grave. I must have missed some context.

They don't actually dance on the soldier's grave in a literal or direct sense, but the 101st Fighting Keyboarders have no actual notion of Supporting the Troops. They're happy to let the enlisted die out there and suffer trauma while they're at home safe and comfortable from t3h 3b1l m0zl3mz but as Operation Yellow Elephants point out, almost none of the most vocal supporters of the Iraq invasion and occupation have the balls to back up their support by enlisting themselves.

It's strange that I had never heard of this guy, but now that I have, I'm glad he's dead. His kind are simply a cancer in society; spreading ignorance and corrupting gullible minds. No sense wasting compassion on those who have consistently proven themselves unworthy.

They well as might make Jesse Helms's tombstone in the shape of a commode at this point.

They well as might make Jesse Helms's tombstone in the shape of a commode at this point.

You mean like one that has a chamberpot in it?

You mean like one that has a chamberpot in it?

Chamberpot? Well as make it a fully functioning toilet system with the load it's going to have to handle.

EDIT:

Or make it a pair of toilet stalls. Mark Foley and Larry Craig can preside over the inaugural opening.

Or make it a pair of toilet stalls. Mark Foley and Larry Craig can preside over the inaugural opening.

You'd get one of the stalls occupied for Foley to do one of his kids...

This part, not so much. I'm fairly certain that I've never heard a right-wing flag-waver dance on a soldier's grave. I must have missed some context.I'll surmise by saying how common a term "sand-******" and "rag-head" is more accepted as of late, as though i should just assume that anyone these epithets are supposed to represent are worthy of derision, spite, and murder.
Gauthier also has a good point about it.

Or make it a pair of toilet stalls. Mark Foley and Larry Craig can preside over the inaugural opening.Even though tasteless, still funny. :)

You'd get one of the stalls occupied for Foley to do one of his kids...

And Craig would be tapping on his shoe from the other one.

:D

And Craig would be tapping on his shoe from the other one.

:D

*Sets up hidden cameras for the "Republicans Gone Wild" amateur porn video.*

He's a fakeposter, and a damn good one at that.
The return of Jhahannam?

Anyone pointed out yet how appropriate it is that he dropped dead on a day that celebrates freedom?

Anyone pointed out yet how appropriate it is that he dropped dead on a day that celebrates freedom?

Nope, you're the one who did it, just now. Congrats. :)

The return of Jhahannam?

Nah, different guy.

Anyone pointed out yet how appropriate it is that he dropped dead on a day that celebrates freedom?

And all those souls he consumed to prolongue his unnatural life are finally celebrating their Independence Day as well.

:D

And all those souls he consumed to prolongue his unnatural life are finally celebrating their Independence Day as well.

:D

This is defamatory Jew bullshit.

Jesse Helms did NOT eat the souls of those men. What he swallowed was sometimes called "essence", but it did not contain souls, since that enters the body at conception, and the male gamete by itself does not constitute conception without a white woman's egg.

Also, it really didn't prolong his life; according to the doctor, it might have been risky since a lot of those men were backup dancers, cabana boys, and wedding planners, whose vigorous lifestyles sometimes leave them depleted and open to various infections.

Also, it really didn't prolong his life; according to the doctor, it might have been risky since a lot of those men were backup dancers, cabana boys, and wedding planners, whose vigorous lifestyles sometimes leave them depleted and open to various infections.

Considering Jesse Helms abhorred homosexuality and those kinds of men are stereotypically placed in the category, wouldn't that technically make Jesse Helms a Sin Eater?

Snip.

At first I thought you were a troll, now I see you're a satirist. :D

Why did Jesse Helms cross the road?

Okay, before you make fun of the departed, get your facts straight.

Helms was NOT gay. I know because I worked in his office. In fact, he was so straight, he actually helped gay people get victory in christ and stop being gay!

In fact, 3 or 4 days a week, gay men would come to the office, dressed in their vain outfits, shoes with buckles, gelled hair, and bringing these great salads that their friend Bryce made through his catering business.

And Helms would take them into his office, and pray with them, all morning, helping them excise their wrong thoughts, helping them be filled with victory in christ.

And it worked. Those gay men came out of there saying they wouldn't be having sodomy oriented relations for days.

Show some respect for a man who spent his life doing the rights things, and if you are at his funeral, Javier and Eriq are bringing some of those salads. Seriously, try some.

Hahahahaho-hohohahaha! That's great. Oh, wait, did you mean that as a serious post. Terribly sorry.

Hahahahaho-hohohahaha! That's great. Oh, wait, did you mean that as a serious post. Terribly sorry.

God will not be mocked.

Jesse Helms was a committed Christian, and his record of support for segregation, warfare, helping women understand their place in the home, and the fact the he spent most of his private time with 12 men is completely consistent with a Christ centered life.

They predicted hurricanes? In the Gulf of Mexico? Wow. That's some psychic talent there.

I bet they even predicted the 11th storm of the season would be named "Katrina"! :eek:

God will not be mocked.

Jesse Helms was a committed Christian, and his record of support for segregation, warfare, helping women understand their place in the home, and the fact the he spent most of his private time with 12 men is completely consistent with a Christ centered life.

Are you trying to say Jesse Helms was Jesus Christ?

That's Blasphemy!!

Are you trying to say Jesse Helms was Jesus Christ?

That's Blasphemy!!

There's a huge difference between striving for a Christ centered life, and pretending to be Christ.

The Jews will bow to a leader who only PRETENDS to be Christ, an Anti-Christ, as explained by Narnian Council in the other thread about Anti-Christs.

Whereas living a Christ centered life can be done while still "setting course for the isle of Poonani instead of hanging out with a bunch of Jew fishermen and then getting the 3 nailed salute from a bunch of dago wop cunts, like our Saviour did". That's what my New Life Assemblies of Christ pastor explained to me.

At first I thought you were a troll, now I see you're a satirist. :D

No, it's trolling. The fact that you and a few other misguided naifs are deluding yourself that it's "satire" doesn't change the fact.

It's a pretty transparent little formula. Troll and flamebait, and then say something supposedly humorous so the mods get hesitant and so people like you rush to applaud the "satire," as if it's no longer trolling if it you personally enjoy it.

No, it's trolling. The fact that you and a few other misguided naifs are deluding yourself that it's "satire" doesn't change the fact.

It's a pretty transparent little formula. Troll and flamebait, and then say something supposedly humorous so the mods get hesitant and so people like you rush to applaud the "satire," as if it's no longer trolling if it you personally enjoy it.

Well, I agree that he needs to be reigned in, but you have to admit, trolling by claiming to take your religious cues from the Weather Channel is nothing if not original.

No, it's trolling. The fact that you and a few other misguided naifs are deluding yourself that it's "satire" doesn't change the fact.

It's a pretty transparent little formula. Troll and flamebait, and then say something supposedly humorous so the mods get hesitant and so people like you rush to applaud the "satire," as if it's no longer trolling if it you personally enjoy it.

Yes, you definitely have the penetrating linguistic acumen to swiftly see through what I way to its genuine meaning, that's for sure, not like those poor misguided naifs like Neo Art or Jocabia.

We'll see what the mods say. Meanwhile, keep up that righteous objection, Trostia, you're doing God's work and showing.

Someone wants attention. And thinks they are oh, so very, very clever.

Well, I agree that he needs to be reigned in, but you have to admit, trolling by claiming to take your religious cues from the Weather Channel is nothing if not original.

Oh, it's ORIGINAL? Well shit, I guess that's not so bad. Originality makes up for things. You know kind of like how it was original to try to breed Jewish women with German Shepherds, so that wasn't really stupid, unethical and criminal. Oh wait.

Oh, it's ORIGINAL? Well shit, I guess that's not so bad. Originality makes up for things. You know kind of like how it was original to try to breed Jewish women with German Shepherds, so that wasn't really stupid, unethical and criminal. Oh wait.

Well, I admit I'm not clever enough to actually walk into using a Godwin on a lampooning white supremacist, like you just did.

And why shouldn't German Shepherds get their hands on some Joobies? Because they take care of sheep for a living? What, every Jewess has to breed with a doctor, lawyer, or certified speech pathologist who does real estate on weekends and gets added income from a blog about fusion cooking?

You're the bigot, here.

"Use a Godwin" is a meaningless phrase that indicates only ignorance. But that's to be expected from something like you.

Oh, it's ORIGINAL? Well shit, I guess that's not so bad. Originality makes up for things. You know kind of like how it was original to try to breed Jewish women with German Shepherds, so that wasn't really stupid, unethical and criminal. Oh wait.

Oh for the love of your god, get a sense of humor already.

Oh for the love of your god, get a sense of humor already.

I do! You're just too ignorant and shallow to comprehend my vast and exceptionally political wit, see.

"Use a Godwin" is a meaningless phrase that indicates only ignorance. But that's to be expected from something like you.

The fairly reasonable premise that Godwin's Law would develop a common usage in the phrase "Use a Godwin" escapes you?

That surprises me given the tremendous adroitness with which you grasp the actual substance of people's posts!

And of course, to call it meaningless...why, then, naturally, if it is bereft of meaning, nobody who sees it will see what I mean...which means that the extent to which you are correct can be rapidly assessed by whether others are able to discern its meaning, even if you can't. What courage on your part, to expose yourself so...

You've decided I'm unfunny, I'm wounded. You now judge me ignorant, I'm grievously struck.

Please, whatever you do, don't call me fallacious, or I shall be mortally blown.

Please, whatever you do, don't call me fallacious, or I shall be mortally blown.

That sounds like a good way to go. :)

The fairly reasonable premise that Godwin's Law would develop a common usage in the phrase "Use a Godwin" escapes you?

No, nor did it escape being a lame and meaningless thing to do. Godwin was something of a genius, people who think going LOL GODWIN! is some kind of rebuttal are not. Sorry to disappoint you.

That surprises me given the tremendous adroitness with which you grasp the actual substance of people's posts!

Oh ho! Actual substance! The genius is being misunderstood again! It's not flaming, it's Actual Substance!


You've decided I'm unfunny, I'm wounded. You now judge me ignorant, I'm grievously struck.

Please, whatever you do, don't call me fallacious, or I shall be mortally blown.

Of course. You're far too cool to care about people's responses, which is why you try so hard to illicit them, even going so far as to continue your ridiculous game in a moderation post labeled, quite clearly, MODS ONLY in bold font. Right. Yeah. That's believable. And the fact that you're practically drooling right now at how much attention I am foolishly giving you indicates what, again? Your politically astute non-attachment? Yeah. Right. Believable.

That sounds like a good way to go. :)

In honor of a fallen Knight of The Order, George Carlin, I say this:

Its a good way to come, too.

If you are defending Jesse Helms, then yes it is pretty clear.

What I'm defending is the having of a sense of proportion, even in political rhetoric.

What I'm defending is the having of a sense of proportion, even in political rhetoric.

I must have misread the 'crazy pills' thing then, because it sounded more like an ad hominem than any kind of defense of a sense of proportion. As to a sense of proportion if you think Castro is the same as Stalin you have a woeful lack of knowledge. Now I don't think Castro is all sweetness and light, but then neither was Jesse Helms. Of the two I personally do think Castro had more positive points, though still deeply flawed.

As to a sense of proportion if you think Castro is the same as Stalin you have a woeful lack of knowledge. Now I don't think Castro is all sweetness and light, but then neither was Jesse Helms. Of the two I personally do think Castro had more positive points, though still deeply flawed.

I don't think Castro is the same as Stalin...Stalin was Russian. I can't believe I'm having to explain how being a murderous dictator is worse than being a democratically elected Senator. Of course, that I actually have to explain that means that anything I say will probably just bounce off, so I'll just save my breath.

Nobody is better off modeling themselves on Fidel Castro. Unless maybe the only alternative role model available is Josef Stalin.

I don't think Castro is the same as Stalin

If you really think US Senator's never have any blood on their hands you are hopelessly naive.

Okay, if I somehow get banned because of this SNAFU I'm gonna be majorly pissed.