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But we had a contract! Apparently a 15-year-old girl made a contract with her mother and stepfather to allow the stepfather to impregnate her because her mother desired another child but could no longer bear children. I don't really know where to begin on how these people couldn't possibly understand it was wrong. Perhaps there needs to be some sort of "don't fuck your 15-year-old child" class for parents...

Parents and teen form pregnancy pact
18:32 AEST Tue Jul 1 2008

A man made a pact with his wife to have sex with his teenage stepdaughter because the couple desperately wanted another child.

The trio wrote the agreement down in a notebook and the woman - the girl's mother - offered her 15-year-old daughter advice on the best sexual positions to achieve their goal.

On Tuesday, the man, 35, was sentenced to eight years in jail, while the girl's 39-year-old mother received a six month jail term, to be followed by three years probation.

Both had pleaded guilty to one charge each of maintaining a sexual relationship with a child.

The Brisbane District Court was told the man made the pact with his wife in May 2006 to get the teenager pregnant because they wanted another child.

Prosecutor Catherine Semmler told the court the couple already had two sons, but that both had been born with a congenital disorder.

It was the fear of passing on this disorder that prompted them to manipulate the girl into participating in their bizarre scheme, she said.

The court was told the girl, then 15, initially used a syringe to try to artificially inseminate herself with her stepfather's semen.

When this was unsuccessful, the man started having sex with the girl up to three times a day at their home at Russell Island, south-east of Brisbane, between April and August 2006.

However, Ms Semmler said, the man had already been sexually abusing his stepdaughter since she was 12.

The court was told the teenager succumbed to his advances until the day after her 16th birthday, when she filed a complaint with police.

The court heard that when the man was arrested he referred to a written pact, asking police: "Did you not see the f***ing contract?"

Handing down sentence, Judge Michael Forde said: "This bizarre agreement could only be described as despicable conduct by both of you."

He told the woman:"You have completely breached the trust that a daughter has in a mother."

Even defence lawyer James Crowley, who represented the man, said the couple's actions were "disgusting and despicable".

However he said his client was "very remorseful". http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=589812

Apparently the fucking moron does not know that a fucking contract with a fucking minor is fucking invalid.

:p

Jeez. Contracts that sanction illegal activities are null and void. Everyone knows that.

Jeez. Contracts that sanction illegal activities are null and void. Everyone knows that.

I propose this parent be made to sign a contract allowing all his internal organs to be harvested, while he is alive, and without anesthesia. Then let him see whether he wants to go through with it or argue against the legality of the contract.

My jaw dropped when i read this...how screwed up can you be to want to impregnate (!!!) our 15year old stepdaughter...

Castration by donkey-kick seems like a reasonable punishment for this.

Castration by donkey-kick seems like a reasonable punishment for this.No it doesn't.

No it doesn't.

Your right, ofcourse, child molestation just tends to piss me off a lot.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Why can't it be like the good old days, when we reserved use of the word "pact" for deals with the devil or otherworldly evils.

I think someone ought to be killed over this.

if the stepfather got 8 years --it should have been longer--the mother should have gotten at least 4 years in prison.

so the girl never got pregnant?

Some people are just screwed up.

I simply can't say anything more. They are just screwed up.

Why can't it be like the good old days, when we reserved use of the word "pact" for deals with the devil or otherworldly evils.

As opposed to simple domestic evils?

As opposed to simple domestic evils?

Pretty much. I mean, you see those domestic evils every day. It's like "hey, how you doing, phil? How's the basement working out? Ah, so you got some new candles, nice, nice. Oh, you need some blood for a mystic circle? Well, we're having steak tonight, I'll save some of the juices and put that in a tupperware for you. Right, see you later then."

I don't see why the mother got such a light sentence.......

A "fucking contract." Oh my, child molesters can be so punny.

I don't see why the mother got such a light sentence.......

probably because of the 2 sons with a congenital defect who need caring for.

otherwise she is as guilty as her husband is.

probably because of the 2 sons with a congenital defect who need caring for.

otherwise she is as guilty as her husband is.

Well. I'm pretty sure she won't try to get her sons pregnant.

But I wouldn't trust her to "care for" them either, in light of this little episode.

But I wouldn't trust her to "care for" them either, in light of this little episode.

Agreed. First off, I don't think that her other responsibilities should remove any punishment, that seems stupid. Secondly, she has seemingly showed herself to be a fairly unfit parent, and as such, she probably should not retain custody... after all, she did allow her husband to attempt to copulate with their 15 year old daughter... I mean, c'mon!

So, my opinion is that she should lose custody anyway, and receive the same punishment as the jerk, after all, at what point should social obligations get someone a lighter sentence; "Gee judge, I'd love to do 15-life... but my football team is playing today, and they really need me on the field! Maybe next time though!"

I would jail the two parents for life

Apparently the fucking moron does not know that a fucking contract with a fucking minor is fucking invalid.

:p

Fuck, Kat, If you keep up that fucking disgusting language, you're fucking going to shatter my fucking illusion of you as a fucking lady.:p

I don't see why the mother got such a light sentence.......
So, my opinion is that she should lose custody anyway, and receive the same punishment as the jerk, after all, at what point should social obligations get someone a lighter sentence; "Gee judge, I'd love to do 15-life... but my football team is playing today, and they really need me on the field! Maybe next time though!"I'd wager it has more to do with her not being the one that was having sex with the girl up to three times a day and "merely" being the one that let it happen. Now, ask yourself, why should the guy that did have sex with her up to three times a day get the same sentence as someone that didn't?
Fuck, Kat, If you fucking keep up that fucking disgusting fucking language, you're fucking going to fucking shatter my fucking illusion of you as a fucking lady.:p
Fixed for hyperbole (thought of adding another one between the "illusion of" and "you as", then decided against it, for obvious reasons).

I'd wager it has more to do with her not being the one that was having sex with the girl up to three times a day and "merely" being the one that let it happen. Now, ask yourself, why should the guy that did have sex with her up to three times a day get the same sentence as someone that didn't?

Fixed for hyperbole (thought of adding another one between the "illusion of" and "you as", then decided against it, for obvious reasons).

because she pimped out her own daughter to her husband.

she should get the same sentence for the same reason that the person who hires the hit man gets convicted of first degree murder.

But we had a contract! Apparently a 15-year-old girl made a contract with her mother and stepfather to allow the stepfather to impregnate her because her mother desired another child but could no longer bear children. I don't really know where to begin on how these people couldn't possibly understand it was wrong. Perhaps there needs to be some sort of "don't fuck your 15-year-old child" class for parents...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=589812

*jaw drops*
WTF?! This world is so fucked up. Who in their right mind would want to have sex with a minor, make a pact with the mother, make a contract... What the fuck?! I'm... may... speechless now. Shutting down.:eek:

Good for the girl for finally complaining. As for the parents, and especially the mother, why the fucking light sentences? Repeat sex offenders, especially with children, should never, ever get let out.:mad:

This is the kind of thing that makes me wish it were possible to un-read something.

Was the daughter hot?






















Just kidding - sheesh

I don't know if I'm more upset about the "pact" the mother made to let her husband impregnate her own daughter or the fact that she let the same man sexually abuse her daughter for four years (with apparently no ulterior motive for most of it). They should both be registered as sex offenders and neither should allowed near children again, even their own. Especially their own.

I bet she got like pizza every night for doing that and had no bedtime!...

also this is a very complex case that the article really doesn't give enough information about so why post it?

But I wouldn't trust her to "care for" them either, in light of this little episode.

its what the probation is about I suppose though really I suspect this may be one of those cases of one domineering partner completely controlling every part of the families life

if the stepfather got 8 years --it should have been longer--the mother should have gotten at least 4 years in prison.

so the girl never got pregnant?

I don't think the girl got pregnant. I agree, the mother's sentence is ridiculous.

I don't see why the mother got such a light sentence.......

Neither.

I'd wager it has more to do with her not being the one that was having sex with the girl up to three times a day and "merely" being the one that let it happen. Now, ask yourself, why should the guy that did have sex with her up to three times a day get the same sentence as someone that didn't?

Fixed for hyperbole (thought of adding another one between the "illusion of" and "you as", then decided against it, for obvious reasons).

So you're suggesting that she should be treated better because she only permitted and encouraged continuing sexual abuse and rape of her underage teenage daughter? She should have at least 8 years, and the stepfather should have more. While he was the one who actually commited the crime, it doesn't make her part in the crime any less terrible. She didn't just "let it happen". I think - as someone else suggested - it's comparable to someone hiring a hit man. They still had a part in the murder, even though they didn't pull the trigger.

I bet she got like pizza every night for doing that and had no bedtime!...

Right...

also this is a very complex case that the article really doesn't give enough information about so why post it?

If you want to know more about it, Google it. I assume you're not a child, so you can do it yourself.

its what the probation is about I suppose though really I suspect this may be one of those cases of one domineering partner completely controlling every part of the families life

What leads you to think that?

However, Ms Semmler said, the man had already been sexually abusing his stepdaughter since she was 12.

I was wondering when the article would get to something like that. There's always something like that.

I don't think it's any of the governments business. Let me raise my children how I choose.

The state does NOT know best.

The above was satire. But you worked that out, right? Oh c'mon, you had to have worked that out.

I don't think it's any of the governments business. Let me raise my children how I choose.

The state does NOT know best.

The above was satire. But you worked that out, right? Oh c'mon, you had to have worked that out.

lol

The above was satire. But you worked that out, right? Oh c'mon, you had to have worked that out.

Only because of who it was coming from.

I don't think it's any of the governments business. Let me raise my children how I choose.

The state does NOT know best.

The above was satire. But you worked that out, right? Oh c'mon, you had to have worked that out.

Anyone want to start a betting pool on how long it'll be before someone posts a serious response to this post, missing the satire?

Anyone want to start a betting pool on how long it'll be before someone posts a serious response to this post, missing the satire?

Not knowing the poster and not having any hints in the post I would have taken it as serious

It did not seem quite enough over the top to be a clear satire to me

I was wondering when the article would get to something like that. There's always something like that.
And that's the real crux of the issue. It's not that it's wrong to sign a contract, or even wrong for two people to make a deal so one becomes a surrogate mother.

It's a question of whether or not the contract was signed consensually. Age differences, family relations and all that other stuff isn't really important - the real crime here was that a contract was apparently forced on someone who was unable to consent (and personally, I'm not a huge fan of generalised age-based arguments in relation to that, to me the fact that there had been previous abuse is much more important).

But that's where I'll leave it, becomes I can imagine this paragraph is already making me even more unpopular than I might already be. :p

Sounds like rape. Throw the father in jail as well as the mother for being an accessory to rape.

So you're suggesting that she should be treated better because she only permitted and encouraged continuing sexual abuse and rape of her underage teenage daughter? She should have at least 8 years, and the stepfather should have more. While he was the one who actually commited the crime, it doesn't make her part in the crime any less terrible. She didn't just "let it happen". I think - as someone else suggested - it's comparable to someone hiring a hit man. They still had a part in the murder, even though they didn't pull the trigger.
If you're a "glass half empty" person, yeah. If you're a "glass half full" person, I'd say the stepdad should be treated worse.

Throw 'em both in jail. This is disgusting.

Castration would be in order, but from what I've heard it might well be that the guy will be having hard time in jail. At the least I'd guess he'll know how she felt while he raped her...

If you're a "glass half empty" person, yeah. If you're a "glass half full" person, I'd say the stepdad should be treated worse.

I don't think the law has time for glass analogies...

Castration would be in order, but from what I've heard it might well be that the guy will be having hard time in jail. At the least I'd guess he'll know how she felt while he raped her...

This mentality really bothers me. Rape the rapist? Yeah, that'll fix it.

lol. Didn't you read the fucking contract!? people are funny.

Whiskey.

Tango.

Foxtrot.

Now, I'm a pretty liberal guy. I personally feel that 15 is old enough to understand a contract, and old enough to consent to sexual relations. (Hell, IIRC in Spain the AOC is 13 and Spain isn't exactly going down the moral sewer.) I also understand the mother's desire to have a child of sorts without passing down genetic defects.

But, for fuck's sake, you don't bang your stepdaughter, that's just... icky. Certainly, they could have talked a doctor into artificially inseminating the girl, if they could make a case she was psychologically fit to understand what she was getting into, and avoided the general mindfuckery that tends to accompany people fucking their stepchildren. Or waited till she was 18 (or whatever the AOC in Oz is) and thus "legal." Still shouldn't be fucking, but insemination might be easier to get at 18...

HOWEVER, the previous sexual manipulation here makes any contract HIGHLY suspect, even if you're willing to accept that a 15 year old is capable of understanding and theoretically of consenting.

This mentality really bothers me. Rape the rapist? Yeah, that'll fix it.

Well, I'm the kind of person that would strip any resemblance of human rights from prisoners. My personal point of view is that the second you violate someone else's rights, you lose your own.

That, and for some reason rapists boil my blood even though, or specifically because, I'm male myself.

Oh and yes, it may not make the victim feel better, but it does stops the offender from raping another person. Not to mention it would be quite nice deterrent.