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Birthday party snub sparks debate

The case has sparked a debate in Sweden about civil liberties
An eight-year-old boy has sparked an unlikely outcry in Sweden after failing to invite two of his classmates to his birthday party.

The boy's school says he has violated the children's rights and has complained to the Swedish Parliament.

The school, in Lund, southern Sweden, argues that if invitations are handed out on school premises then it must ensure there is no discrimination. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

The boy's father has lodged a complaint with the parliamentary ombudsman.

He says the two children were left out because one did not invite his son to his own party and he had fallen out with the other one.

The boy handed out his birthday invitations during class-time and when the teacher spotted that two children had not received one the invitations were confiscated.

"My son has taken it pretty hard," the boy's father told the newspaper Sydsvenskan.

"No one has the right to confiscate someone's property in this way, it's like taking someone's post," he added.

A verdict on the matter is likely to be reached in September, in time for the next school year.
*Sings* "We don't need no thought control! Hey, teachers! Leave them kids alone!"

Well in any civilized country this 'case' would be laughed at. Any normal person would say, well if he doesn't want to invite someone to his party, that's his choice not to do so. You can't force someone to hang out with someone they don't want to. And one does not have the right not to be offended. However, this is not a civilized country with normal people, and the simple fact of the matter is that simply because this is even an issue, just goes to show how ridiculous things in Sweden are.....

I, for one, am glad that, no matter how much the Bush administration has expanded the powers of the government, our society still remains infinetly more free than "the Scandinavian model".

Long live freedom!.... Whether in the face of the expanded powers of Bush administration, or in the face of the thought-controlling, brainwashing Swedish state and society.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7479758.stm

You realize this has been the rule in a number of American schools for years right?

You realize this has been the rule in a number of American schools for years right?
Uh, no? I've gone to American schools and children were allowed to invite (and not invite) who they wished.

If there was a case or so where the teacher was an idiot and didn't allow this and complained, I wasn't aware of it. However even if so, Washington didn't waste it's time on it by getting involved.

If so..then our government is even more pathetic than I thought..but it still doesn't make it right at all.

*hands out banana cupcakes to everyone in thread so as not to be accused of discrimination*

OK, I'll sum up what'll come of this :

Fuck all.

Uh, no? I've gone to American schools and children were allowed to invite (and not invite) who they wished.

If there was a case or so where the teacher was an idiot and didn't allow this and complained, I wasn't aware of it. However even if so, Washington didn't waste it's time on it by getting involved.

In every school I have been to, you arn't allowed to distribute anything, including birthday party invitations, unless you had enough for everyone in the class.

Lots and lots of elementary schools have policies stating that if you want to hand out food/presents/notes/whatever in school, you need to bring one for everybody, as a measure to discourage bullying and cliquishness. I don't see anything too very terrible about that, since it's not as if the little boy couldn't have handed out his invitations after school or sent them by mail. The kid's father's response, however, seems pretty ridiculously over-the-top. I really don't understand why he didn't just reclaim the confiscated invitations and send them out himself instead.

For a second I was expecting another "0h n0ez! M0r 3b1l m0zl3mz!" thread but this is a novel change. Still, what's the point of this pissfest? "Sweden is less free than the U.S. under Dubya?" One school incident represents an entire country's worth of "oppression"?

Ah, Busheviks. Setting the bars so low you could have a limbo contest.

For a second I was expecting another "0h n0ez! M0r 3b1l m0zl3mz!" thread but this is a novel change. Still, what's the point of this pissfest? "Sweden is less free than the U.S. under Dubya?" One school incident represents an entire country's worth of "oppression"?

Ah, Busheviks. Setting the bars so low you could have a limbo contest.
Yeah, but Evil Socialised Medicine Commies threads are fun too.

Uh, no? I've gone to American schools and children were allowed to invite (and not invite) who they wished.


Well...maybe they were just allowed to make one exception.

Well in any civilized country this 'case' would be laughed at.

Yeah, they're building rafts and piling on donkey carts to get out of Scandanavia allright.....

Yeah, but Evil Socialised Medicine Commies threads are fun too.
Aye, remember kids, having one of the world's best countries in almost every respect is the sign of a nightmarish society. Yes.

In every school I have been to, you arn't allowed to distribute anything, including birthday party invitations, unless you had enough for everyone in the class.
I've had the opposite experience. There were always the cases of people handing out invitations and then some girls would get pissed at each other if they weren't invited and it would lead to a bit of elementry/middle/high school drama...

I don't know...

For a second I was expecting another "0h n0ez! M0r 3b1l m0zl3mz!" thread but this is a novel change.
As long as Islamization of the West continues, there will be people there to report it. Fear not. :)
Still, what's the point of this pissfest? "Sweden is less free than the U.S. under Dubya?" One school incident represents an entire country's worth of "oppression"?
A glimpse into Herdygerdyland.
Ah, Busheviks. Setting the bars so low you could have a limbo contest.
Not that I didn't expect this, because it is your pre-programmed response to EVERYTHING, but where did I say that I am a "Bushevik"? (what a stupid word)...

Aye, remember kids, having one of the world's best countries in almost every respect is the sign of a nightmarish society. Yes.

It's only because they're Dirty Leftists™. You could have no human rights, substandard child labor and a secret police that makes more people disappear than a fleet of UFOs but if you subscribe to Free Market Capitalism and kiss American Ass, you're still considered a bastion of democracy and freedom by the OP's standards.

Aye, remember kids, having one of the world's best countries in almost every respect is the sign of a nightmarish society. Yes.
Exactly. I always got left out of party invitations when I was younger. This sounds like paradise.;)

It's only because they're Dirty Leftists™.
Pretty sure the Conservatives are actually in power at the moment.
You could have no human rights, substandard child labor and a secret police that makes more people disappear than a fleet of UFOs but if you subscribe to Free Market Capitalism and kiss American Ass, you're still considered a bastion of democracy and freedom by the OP's standards.
Not entirely sure that's right. Usually TAI kisses SVP arse and isn't all that fussed about the US.

God...this...hurts....my.....brain.....soo.....damn......much......

*collapse on the floor, one leg twitches*

Exactly. I always got left out of party invitations when I was younger.
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This sounds like paradise.;)
Doesn't really sound like paradise. But the complaints won't be going anywhere ;)

Aye, remember kids, having one of the world's best countries in almost every respect is the sign of a nightmarish society. Yes.
It just depends what your personal views and politics are. For example, Switzerland is one of the world's best countries in almost every respect, yet many people on this board dislike it because it's largest party is Right-Nationalist and because many of it's citizens are "racist". :rolleyes:

Everything comes down to matter of opinion. I personally would NEVER live in Sweden, regardless of it's ratings. I've visited Sweden before and it's just...ok.

Denmark is 100 times better.
Well...maybe they were just allowed to make one exception.
Oh a personal insult! Yay! Reading the article in the OP just pulled you right back to Elementary school, didn't it? ;) Don't worry, my self-confidence is more than high enough to withstand anonymous insults from internet Palestinian-supporting leftists, I promise you that.
Yeah, they're building rafts and piling on donkey carts to get out of Scandanavia allright.....
Perhaps you may in fact need to get pulled back to elementary school, to re-learn reading comprehension, because I never said that, did I?

Pretty sure the Conservatives are actually in power at the moment.
Which does what? Only make them half as much further to the left than the American Democrats?

Doesn't really sound like paradise. But the complaints won't be going anywhere ;)
And I don't really expect the OP to tell us when nothing happens.

Somehow I doubt that BBC News added 5 eye-rolling emoticons into their article.

It's only because they're Dirty Leftists™. You could have no human rights, substandard child labor and a secret police that makes more people disappear than a fleet of UFOs but if you subscribe to Free Market Capitalism and kiss American Ass, you're still considered a bastion of democracy and freedom by the OP's standards.
Well, no, but atleast you'd have the potential to move in the right direction, something Sweden has been moving away from.

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That Violin isn't small enough!

Here, use this one. http://thechumslick.summeroftheshark.com/media/blogs/thechumslick/violin.jpg

Which does what? Only make them half as much further to the left than the American Democrats?
Indeed. Simply saying "the conservatives" are in power in Sweden doesn't mean as much as it seems to.

1. Conservative in Sweden is still not exactly the bastion of global (or even European) right wing politics.

2. They still have to work with the awful leftist herdygerdy society that the years of former Leftist rule created.

Perhaps you may in fact need to get pulled back to elementary school, to re-learn reading comprehension, because I never said that, did I?

No, you said:

"Well in any civilized country this 'case' would be laughed at."

Therefore, it stands to reason that Sweden is now (according to you) uncivilized, and it makes one wonder if that is the case, how come so many people want to live there. Primitivism?

Speaking of reading comprehension, a "civilized" country is one that is in "an advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry, and government has been reached."

So you are actually saying that Sweden is primitive, unindustrialized, uncultured, ignorant and anarchic. If I'm using my reading skills correctly, that is.

Any other stupid generalizations you'd like to make?

It just depends what your personal views and politics are.
True to an extent. Anyone who idealises Africa as an awesome place to live or whatever is a conceited moron, something which actually transcends politics.
For example, Switzerland is one of the world's best countries in almost every respect
If you're already a citizen.
yet many people on this board dislike it because it's largest party is Right-Nationalist and because many of it's citizens are "racist". :rolleyes:
Aye well that's a hard claim to deny :p
Everything comes down to matter of opinion.
True.
I personally would NEVER live in Sweden, regardless of it's ratings. I've visited Sweden before and it's just...ok.
I really liked it when I went for a couple of weeks. Wouldn't say I'd live there either, but that's more because I get seasonally-affected depression and just about anywhere north of Glasgow makes me want to kill myself in Winter :p
Denmark is 100 times better.
It's 100 times flatter. Dunno about 100 times better, unless you're really into wind turbines. And bacon.

One teacher does something to try to avoid two kids getting isolated in a classroom, boys' father makes a fuss, school/teacher makes up an answer to do with rights to cover themselves just in case.

Mountains, molehills, etc.

Somehow I doubt that BBC News added 5 eye-rolling emoticons into their article.
That's the new-and-improved™ BBC for you. ;)

One teacher does something to try to avoid two kids getting isolated in a classroom, boys' father makes a fuss, school/teacher makes up an answer to do with rights to cover themselves just in case.

Mountains, molehills, etc.

What are you talking about? That this one incident means Sweden is an uncivilized, 1984-ish nightmare rampant with mind-control and space aliens is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make. :p

No, you said:

"Well in any civilized country this 'case' would be laughed at."

Therefore, it stands to reason that Sweden is now (according to you) uncivilized
Correct, most of the population is simply too brainwashed, with their mouth on the teet of the welfare state, instead of open to shout free opinions, to know reality.


Any other stupid generalizations you'd like to make?
Just cold smart calculations of reality, thank you.:)

Which does what? Only make them half as much further to the left than the American Democrats?
Not really, they're just very much centralists, rather than the leftist Social Democrats.
Somehow I doubt that BBC News added 5 eye-rolling emoticons into their article.
You'd be surprised, in the interests of making the news more accessible, they've begun to add emotes - for example :

Reports from Niger say at least 17 people have been killed in clashes between the army and members of a Tuareg-led rebel group. :(
That Violin isn't small enough!

Here, use this one. http://thechumslick.summeroftheshark.com/media/blogs/thechumslick/violin.jpg
Och I've used that one a lot, along with my personal favourite :

http://www.javys.com/hario/violin_pic/glass_violin.jpg

:p

Correct, most of the population is simply too brainwashed, with their mouth on the teet of the welfare state, instead of open to shout free opinions, to know reality.


Unfree, which you are describing here, does not mean "uncivilized." .

Just cold smart calculations of reality, thank you.:)

Your childish and immature ranting, which you are describing here, does not mean "reality."

Might want to brush up on your own 'reading comprehension' before you go slamming people for their supposed lack of it.

Och I've used that one a lot, along with my personal favourite :

http://www.javys.com/hario/violin_pic/glass_violin.jpg

:p

Ooo shiny object. *Is distracted*

True to an extent. Anyone who idealises Africa as an awesome place to live or whatever is a conceited moron, something which actually transcends politics.
Agreed. But for examle, there are plenty of leftist fools that I (unfortunatly) know in RL who would idealise Venezuela, former USSR (and now Putin's Russia), Cuba...ect ect ect. Different strokes for different folks with their [wrong] opinions.
If you're already a citizen.
Or an immigrant who is rich, educated or an asset to the state. Nothing wrong with that, in my book. ;)
Aye well that's a hard claim to deny :p
;)


I really liked it when I went for a couple of weeks. Wouldn't say I'd live there either, but that's more because I get seasonally-affected depression and just about anywhere north of Glasgow makes me want to kill myself in Winter :p
Try Italy then. Beautiful country, beautiful language, beautiful lands and great diverse weather, depending on what you want. Or try South Florida if you hate and get depressed by winter. :D
It's 100 times flatter. Dunno about 100 times better, unless you're really into wind turbines. And bacon.
Better society, people are less "herdygerdy" and more opinionated, beer is better, history is richer, better language, MUCH better government.

Reading can be a productive endeavor sometimes.

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Seriously? You choose this "story" to make your point? Weak! You should have gone with the wiretapping law they've approved. That would actually have made sense.


Well in any civilized country this 'case' would be laughed at.
As it is in Sweden.

Any normal person would say, well if he doesn't want to invite someone to his party, that's his choice not to do so. You can't force someone to hang out with someone they don't want to.
Good thing the school isn't trying to do that then, isn't it?

And one does not have the right not to be offended.
Children have the right not to be picked on in school though.

However, this is not a civilized country with normal people, and the simple fact of the matter is that simply because this is even an issue, just goes to show how ridiculous things in Sweden are.....
Nope. It shows that it's summertime, and that the medias love a good non-story to fill the time between actual news.

I, for one, am glad that, no matter how much the Bush administration has expanded the powers of the government, our society still remains infinetly more free than "the Scandinavian model".
And you base that on this? Your evidence doesn't back up your claim. Try again.

Long live freedom!.... Whether in the face of the expanded powers of Bush administration, or in the face of the thought-controlling, brainwashing Swedish state and society.
So you're all for bullies being allowed to pick on other kids, and don't want schools to intervene when they see it happening. Leave the eight-year-olds to fix it themselves?

Maybe this is the reason why the Swedish educational system is superior to the US system.

Agreed. But for examle, there are plenty of leftist fools that I (unfortunatly) know in RL who would idealise Venezuela, former USSR (and now Putin's Russia), Cuba...ect ect ect. Different strokes for different folks with their [wrong] opinions.
Aye, well there we go, that's other people for you.
Or an immigrant who is rich, educated or an asset to the state. Nothing wrong with that, in my book. ;)
Seeing as immigrants in Switzerland are just about the only source of cheap labour any more, I don't see how they're not an asset to the state.
;)
You know I'm right.
Try Italy then. Beautiful country, beautiful language, beautiful lands and great diverse weather, depending on what you want.
One of the most poorly run countries in Europe with chronic demographic problems? Nein danke...
Or try South Florida if you hate and get depressed by winter. :D
Keep in mind that I don't get on with most Americans I've ever met :p
Better society, people are less "herdygerdy" and more opinionated, beer is better, history is richer, better language, MUCH better government.
Beer - aye, I'll concede that.
Language - still sounds like very retarded German
History - nothing special
Government - aye, more right wing if you're into that :p

As to their society - haven't been there long enough to make a judgment on it, and the Danish I've met never held strong opinions on...err... anything, really.

Correct, most of the population is simply too brainwashed, with their mouth on the teet of the welfare state, instead of open to shout free opinions, to know reality.


Yeah, I mean Scandanavians are notoriously like that...what with their shite living standards and low life expectancy..We've had countless threads on what a bunch of scrounging sheep they are. I bet if somebody jumped up and said something patriotic, they'd all run along like sheep and invade some country on the flimsiest pretext and then spend years justifying it, despite everyone knowing how full of crap they are,,

To be honest this should not have happened.

8 years olds are young and insecure the parents of the party thrower should made certain the kid got invited.

However the state and the school has no business in the matter. if people want to be assholes let them

[QUOTE]Seeing as immigrants in Switzerland are just about the only source of cheap labour any more, I don't see how they're not an asset to the state.
Switzerland already has all the Italian immigrants who came for exactly that reason. The balkan immigrants and such are instead rather "asylum seekers" instead of migrant workers.
You know I'm right.
Nothing wrong with a Right-Wing/Nationalist party nor a population with a healthy desire to preseve their community. :)
One of the most poorly run countries in Europe with chronic demographic problems? Nein danke...
Indeed, the government hasn't exactly been stable but I was more talking about the weather and culture. What about Bavaria? München is one of the most fantastic cities in the world...?

Keep in mind that I don't get on with most Americans I've ever met :p
We seem to get along, ok....:p
Beer - aye, I'll concede that.
Language - still sounds like very retarded German
History - nothing special
Government - aye, more right wing if you're into that :p
Retarded German is also said of Swiss-German but I happen to like that too..lol. And yeah, obviously I'm more into that. :p
As to their society - haven't been there long enough to make a judgment on it, and the Danish I've met never held strong opinions on...err... anything, really.
Hehehe, I giggled out loud.

I think I'd rather shoot myself than move to Florida.

This story has what to do with equality, exactly?

This story has what to do with equality, exactly?

'Equality' is one of those words that jerks use as pejoratives. See also: 'human rights', 'tolerance'.

I think I'd rather shoot myself than move to Florida.
Ah, that's how we get rid of you!

*gives Sirmomo1 a mandatory moving ticket to Florida*

Fuck 'em. Don't pay taxes, don't send your kids to gov. agents (teachers) to be raised. If you don't want to raise a child don't make/adopt a child.

This story has what to do with equality, exactly?

I think the only correct word to respond with here is "Bubkus". :)

Fuck 'em. Don't pay taxes, don't send your kids to gov. agents (teachers) to be raised. If you don't want to raise a child don't make/adopt a child.

Don't drink the water!

Don't drink the water!

And don't breathe the air!

*Cue Tom Lehrer*

herdygerdy

I swear you've made this word up. What are you meaning by it?

And don't breathe the air!

*Cue Tom Lehrer*

Tom Lehrer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPrAuF2f_oI) :)

I swear you've made this word up. What are you meaning by it?

http://www.crimespot.net/Spotted/Images/SwedishChefSmall.jpg

I swear you've made this word up.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=herdygerdy&btnG=Google+Search

Ah, Busheviks. Setting the bars so low you could have a limbo contest.

Truly sig-worthy :cool:

Switzerland already has all the Italian immigrants who came for exactly that reason. The balkan immigrants and such are instead rather "asylum seekers" instead of migrant workers.
Seeing as unemployment is about 3% at the moment, they can't be that much of a burden, especially since the ex-Yugoslavians make up something like 5% of the population.

The Tamils could be seen as asylum seekers above anything else, but I dunno about the Yugoslavians...
Nothing wrong with a Right-Wing/Nationalist party nor a population with a healthy desire to preseve their community. :)
There is when their policies are essentially "kick everyone off benefits and don't let the darkies in".
Indeed, the government hasn't exactly been stable
Italian governments are stable like Malawi is rich.
but I was more talking about the weather and culture.
Too English to care about that when there's a country to run better :p
What about Bavaria? München is one of the most fantastic cities in the world...?
Nah. It's full of the kind of yuppies even Switzerland doesn't want.
Retarded German is also said of Swiss-German but I happen to like that too..lol.
Speaks volumes :p

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=herdygerdy&btnG=Google+Search
See I just defined it and here's what I got :

"Herdy Gerdy is a video game for the Playstation 2 released in 2002. Critically, the game was a modest success, receiving an aggregate score of 70 ."

Or, for hurdy gurdy :

"A hurdy gurdy (also known as a "wheel fiddle") is a stringed musical instrument in which the strings are sounded by means of a rosined wheel which the strings of the instrument pass over."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=herdygerdy&btnG=Google+Search

Thanks for that great suggestion there. Such helpful responses we get here. It's like you thought I didn't know how to use a search engine myself.

Unfortunately, I had already tried that, and, still, find no meaning related at all to politics and society.

theres lots of cake but so many people... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kWp-Rj5o9uA)

Agreed. But for examle, there are plenty of leftist fools that I (unfortunatly) know in RL who would idealise Venezuela, former USSR (and now Putin's Russia), Cuba...ect
Sure, and there's fools of all political stripes.

Like those who would spout such nonsense as:

most of the [Swedish] population is simply too brainwashed, with their mouth on the teet of the welfare state, instead of open to shout free opinions, to know reality.
If you are seriously standing by this statement, no mater your political opinion, then I'd suggest you're the one who needs to check their grasp on reality.

Or, for hurdy gurdy :

"A hurdy gurdy (also known as a "wheel fiddle") is a stringed musical instrument in which the strings are sounded by means of a rosined wheel which the strings of the instrument pass over."

And that can be interpreted as the OP thinks the Swedish are a bunch of primitive organ-grinding monkeys.

Thanks for that great suggestion there.

You're welcome.

Unfortunately, I had already tried that, and, still, find no meaning related at all to politics and society.

That's not what you said.

You realize this has been the rule in a number of American schools for years right?

What American school have YOU been going to!?!?

This story has what to do with equality, exactly?

They're claiming this whole thing is in the name of "Equality"

What American school have YOU been going to!?!?

maybe its time for an experiment ;)

That's not what you said.

Sigh, literal reading of sentences FTW....

I was referring to his incorrect spelling of another word and his use in an incorrect context, or, perhaps, a context he'd created the malformed word for or heard it from elsewhere that I wasn't aware of.

I think the only correct word to respond with here is "Bubkus". :)

Bupkis.

And that can be interpreted as the OP thinks the Swedish are a bunch of primitive organ-grinding monkeys.
Which ought to be a truism by now...

BAWWWWWWWWWWW
Please give up the libertarian crying matches at teh ebil government, it just makes me want people like you to be more oppressed.

Libertarians: Go live on a desert island, you won't find any evil government telling you to not to smoke or to wear a seatbelt (well there won't be any cars either but hey), you'll do the rest of us a load of good by leaving your constant crying about government.

Please give up the libertarian crying matches at teh ebil government, it just makes me want people like you to be more oppressed.

Libertarians: Go live on a desert island, you won't find any evil government telling you to not to smoke or to wear a seatbelt (well there won't be any cars either but hey), you'll do the rest of us a load of good by leaving your constant crying about government.

What does any of this thread have to do with Libertarians? What a big strawman. Wailing about mind control isn't Libertarian, it's just plain fucking crazy. It's like if I started attributing your stalwart defense and masturbatory idolization of Stalin to socialism. We both know it has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with the fact that you're a sick bastard.

Please give up the libertarian crying matches at teh ebil government, it just makes me want people like you to be more oppressed.

Libertarians: Go live on a desert island, you won't find any evil government telling you to not to smoke or to wear a seatbelt (well there won't be any cars either but hey), you'll do the rest of us a load of good by leaving your constant crying about government.

At least there the government won't be telling us when we can eat, how to eat, how NOT to offend people, how great they are, how the choices they make for us are the best possible choices, how watching us masturbate is an important part of security, how our mother being sent to the gulag for her own good, how the bad harvest this year was from the evil Capitalist scum running a black market, Ad Infinitum.

At least there the government won't be telling us when we can eat, how to eat, how NOT to offend people, how great they are, how the choices they make for us are the best possible choices, how watching us masturbate is an important part of security, how our mother being sent to the gulag for her own good, how the bad harvest this year was from the evil Capitalist scum running a black market, Ad Infinitum.
Well please go to that desert island and stop whinging and whining like a child about government you weak liberal.

I think this is an example of how useless Sweden really is on the world stage...

Afterall, how little do you need going on before a national matter is made of a kid's birthday party...Its moronic...

I think the Swedish should be embarrassed, lol...

Well please go to that desert island and stop whinging and whining like a child about government you weak liberal.

Maybe you could go to a Siberian death camp and praise Stalin while you work yourself to death. Lord knows you seem to have way too much time on your hands. Come on, it's WORKERS of the world unite, not GIGGLING INTERNET TROLLS.

Maybe you could go to a Siberian death camp and praise Stalin while you work yourself to death. Lord knows you seem to have way too much time on your hands. Come on, it's WORKERS of the world unite, not GIGGLING INTERNET TROLLS.
I don't think I'll answer you, seeing as your 'information' on comrade Stalin comes from a falsified and stereotype propaganda made by the Western bourgeois to discredit socialist construction and the work of comrade Stalin in building socialism.

I have no more time for your petty-minded bourgeois trolling.

Well please go to that desert island and stop whinging and whining like a child about government you weak liberal.

You made the point quite decently against "libertarians" in general, but that is as far as you should go. Another poster seeking to debate your point with you is NOT a reason to get personal with them.

"Weak liberal" is a pretty mild insult, but I'm just pointing out to you that it's a step in the direction which has seen you banned before. You are commenting on a poster, not the content of their post. Don't do that.

You made the point quite decently against "libertarians" in general, but that is as far as you should go. Another poster seeking to debate your point with you is NOT a reason to get personal with them.

"Weak liberal" is a pretty mild insult, but I'm just pointing out to you that it's a step in the direction which has seen you banned before. You are commenting on a poster, not the content of their post. Don't do that.

Oh? More bourgeois moderation, figures...

Yeah, they're building rafts and piling on donkey carts to get out of Scandanavia allright.....

I personally blame the crappy furniture. Anybody who lives in a country where people think particle board is a pretty neat idea clearly has issues.

I don't think I'll answer you, seeing as your 'information' on comrade Stalin comes from a falsified and stereotype propaganda made by the Western bourgeois to discredit socialist construction and the work of comrade Stalin in building socialism.

Hate to tell you this, but in addition to having a liberal bias, reality also has an anti-Stalin apologist bias. It just doesn't roll off the tongue as well.

I have no more time for your petty-minded bourgeois trolling.

Yeah, we're distraught.

I have no more time for your petty-minded bourgeois trolling.

Best. Andaras. Quote. Ever.

Totaly sigg'd

Best. Andaras. Quote. Ever.

Totaly sigg'd

I had a better one, lol...I wish i could remember it, but i took it out of the sig, to make room for NSEconomies...

Besides, Andaras's ramblings and blind devotion to the USSR and its propaganda are common knowledge anyway, lol...

I had a better one, lol...I wish i could remember it, but i took it out of the sig, to make room for NSEconomies...

Besides, Andaras's ramblings and blind devotion to the USSR and its propaganda are common knowledge anyway, lol...

'Blind devotion to the USSR' or 'for the lulz' (because accusations of trolling never go down well)?
NSG may never know.

I had a better one, lol...I wish i could remember it, but i took it out of the sig, to make room for NSEconomies...

Besides, Andaras's ramblings and blind devotion to the USSR and its propaganda are common knowledge anyway, lol...

You do realize that he is one of the most successful trolls to wander General?

I had a better one, lol...I wish i could remember it, but i took it out of the sig, to make room for NSEconomies...

Besides, Andaras's ramblings and blind devotion to the USSR and its propaganda are common knowledge anyway, lol...

'Blind devotation'!?! Hardly! I only recognize the USSR as socialist until about 1957 when capitalism was effectively restored.

I am the only true revolutionary on these forums, the rest of you people are the blind devotees here, you are fanatically loyal to the defense of bourgeois property, and the saddest thing about that is that most of you don't even own bourgeois property. Defending a form of property which is not to your benefit but to your oppression is strange indeed.

And I am a troll? Hardly I say, the only trolling is the fanatical personal attacks upon me by those desperate to attack working class politics and to defend bourgeois rule.

You do realize that he is one of the most successful trolls to wander General?

When i sigged a quote from him...no...but, 600 posts later, yes, lol...

I don't think I'll answer you

In that case I won't inform you that you're actually responding here, proving yourself wrong within six words.

And I definitely won't laugh at your weak claim that you have "no more time," or how conveniently you suddenly realized this.

'Blind devotation'!?! Hardly! I only recognize the USSR as socialist until about 1957 when capitalism was effectively restored.

I am the only true revolutionary on these forums, the rest of you people are the blind devotees here, you are fanatically loyal to the defense of bourgeois property, and the saddest thing about that is that most of you don't even own bourgeois property. Defending a form of property which is not to your benefit but to your oppression is strange indeed.

And I am a troll? Hardly I say, the only trolling is the fanatical personal attacks upon me by those desperate to attack working class politics and to defend bourgeois rule.

It takes a rather focused- or deluded- mindset to show dedication and devotion to a powermongering paranoid dictator whose penchance for purging even the most loyal followers on a suspicious whim aren't exactly a secret.

It takes a rather focused- or deluded- mindset to show dedication and devotion to a powermongering paranoid dictator whose penchance for purging even the most loyal followers on a suspicious whim aren't exactly a secret.

All you do is prove more that you are merely spewing capitalist propaganda.

All you do is prove more that you are merely spewing capitalist propaganda.

Then I guess that makes World History a capitalist propaganda to you then.

Then I guess that makes World History a capitalist propaganda to you then.
'World History', and what exactly is that? Sounds like bourgeois history to me.

'World History', and what exactly is that? Sounds like bourgeois history to me.

World History, as in recorded facts.

Here's an interesting trivia I picked up from an acquaintance who's a history buff:

Did you know Stalin died in his bed of a heart attack after an alcoholic binge, while a couple of his inner circle members were just outside of the door because they were too scared shitless of what he might do to them if they disturbed his rest trying to check on him?

World History, as in recorded facts.

Here's an interesting trivia I picked up from an acquaintance who's a history buff:

Did you know Stalin died in his bed of a heart attack after an alcoholic binge, while a couple of his inner circle members were just outside of the door because they were too scared shitless of what he might do to them if they disturbed his rest trying to check on him?

Oh I'm sorry, AP is here to inform us that, based on the solid evidence of his bald proclamation, everything you say is bourgeois.

By using the word "bourgeois", Andaras has demonstrated himself to be, well, bourgeois.

World History, as in recorded facts.

Here's an interesting trivia I picked up from an acquaintance who's a history buff:

Did you know Stalin died in his bed of a heart attack after an alcoholic binge, while a couple of his inner circle members were just outside of the door because they were too scared shitless of what he might do to them if they disturbed his rest trying to check on him?

Sounds like more Conquest bourgeois nonsense to me. I suggest you read some decent sources on Stalin like these:

http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html
http://clogic.eserver.org/2005/furr.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/bland/1999/x01/x01.htm
http://www.oneparty.co.uk/html/book/ussrmenu.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/katyn.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/ukrainian.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/BDandFas.html

Sounds like more Conquest bourgeois nonsense to me. I suggest you read some decent sources on Stalin like these:

http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html
http://clogic.eserver.org/2005/furr.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/bland/1999/x01/x01.htm
http://www.oneparty.co.uk/html/book/ussrmenu.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/katyn.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/ukrainian.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/BDandFas.html

Yes, Marxists.org, oneparty, stalinsociety..

Definitely some unbiased opinion there......Although i agree, the supposed 'world history' is written by the victors (what self respecting southerner wouldnt?).....come on, those are obviously skewed...

By using the word "bourgeois", Andaras has demonstrated himself to be, well, bourgeois.

Personally I'd like to figure out a way to compare how many times Andaras has used the word "bourgeois" with the number of times TAI has used the word "leftist". Make it like a Google Fight.

Sounds like more Conquest bourgeois nonsense to me. I suggest you read some decent sources on Stalin like these:

http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html
http://clogic.eserver.org/2005/furr.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/bland/1999/x01/x01.htm
http://www.oneparty.co.uk/html/book/ussrmenu.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/katyn.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/ukrainian.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/BDandFas.html

OK, let's start with the first one, http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html "Another view of Stalin."

Have you read it? It seems to be rather long.

OK, let's start with the first one, http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html "Another view of Stalin."

Have you read it? It seems to be rather long.

Yeah I have read most of Martens' stuff, that's probably the best work I linked too, Ludo Martens (I believe) is still the General Secretary of the Worker's Party of Belgium. Bill Bland was a Marxist-Leninist who was a member of the Communist Party of Britain and long opposed revisionism in the form of the 'British Road to Socialism' (basically parliamentarianism), he also lived in the USSR before the invasion in 1939, and later lived in Albania after it became the last bastion of socialism after Khrushchevite revisionism took over, thus he wrote an economic thesis (which I linked to) about the capitalist restoration in the USSR after Stalin's death. Grover Furr I haven't read too much on, although he is a pretty good academic and focuses on Stalin alot etc.

Well, no, but atleast you'd have the potential to move in the right direction, something Sweden has been moving away from.

The Shah of Iran, the Mujaheedin and the Baathist party was the "right direction"?

Yeah I have read most of Martens' stuff, that's probably the best work I linked too, Ludo Martens (I believe) is still the General Secretary of the Worker's Party of Belgium. Bill Bland was a Marxist-Leninist who was a member of the Communist Party of Britain and long opposed revisionism in the form of the 'British Road to Socialism' (basically parliamentarianism), he also lived in the USSR before the invasion in 1939, and later lived in Albania after it became the last bastion of socialism after Khrushchevite revisionism took over, thus he wrote an economic thesis (which I linked to) about the capitalist restoration in the USSR after Stalin's death. Grover Furr I haven't read too much on, although he is a pretty good academic and focuses on Stalin alot etc.

There you are then. I would guess that you are well above the median for non-fiction reading among NSG posters. You should have more than enough facts to sustain an argument without name-calling.

That's a heap of material, and I'm not ashamed to say I am not going to read it all. I'll just try to find something in there about schooling under Stalin, or perhaps the policy of homogenizing ethnic and religious populations ... which might have some bearing on the thread subject.

The elimination of discrimination by arbitrary characteristics seems to me socialist: it's good for society and it's good for all citizens except those unjustly favoured by it. But quite possibly you would favour discrimination on the basis of class, as though that is a non- arbitrary distinction between individuals. We'll see how that works out.

*reading time*

Unsurprisingly, all of those links were about the reputation of Joseph Stalin. Somewhat interesting (I take more seriously now, for instance, the idea that Stalin had to purge the army in '37-38 to prevent a coup) but really nothing to do with this thread subject.

In all of that text, I see the same old dreary "materialism" which is almost capitalist in its insistence that the quality of life of "workers" is all about Stuff. Education, which I expected to see cast into the role of servant to productivity, didn't even get that kind of mention. Nope, the only education that matters is apparently "political education." If it's not political, it just doesn't matter.

Returning to the subject, I really wonder whether "tolerance" and "political correctness" is really driven by a socialist agenda. Perhaps it is a symptom of the dis-empowerment of the individual by the sheer scale of society that they must contend with ... what they say or do within the private sphere is pretty much the only power they have, hence this obsession with not using bad words like "black" or "blind" or "men."

I dunno. Perhaps it was always so. The farriers and the chimneysweeps didn't care about the horseshit in the streets or the children sick from coal-smoke. Their politics were personal.

Libertarians with their "the personal is the whole of politics" and Statists with their "politics is the whole of a person" are both wrong.

For, in a large society (a big world, far horizons, clear apprehension of consequences) we are all objectively powerful ... yet powerless against the whole. Any one of us could be a Hitler or a Gandhi, but we must contend with millions of others if we try. "The known world" is huge, and every minute we feast our eyes on its diversity and its strength, we are driven further into this dilemma: (a)our actions affect millions of people, even though in tiny measure individually, and (b) we are powerless to change the world deliberately, we cannot know the consequences of a drastic action and must instead concentrate on our own Intention.

Eva Braun was very likely a very nice person. If she'd shot Hitler in the temple instead of trying to shoot herself the world would probably be a much nicer place ... now tell me how she could have known that?

I personally blame the crappy furniture. Anybody who lives in a country where people think particle board is a pretty neat idea clearly has issues.


This would also explain their well-knownTM ugliness, as every time they sit on something, it breaks and they land on their faces. That, and all the bowing and scraping to the Imams manning the Welfare desks, maims them for life. They then hobble around Europe with a McDonalds cup donated by the Amerikans, saving up money for a trip to the promised land of the USA.

However the state and the school has no business in the matter. if people want to be assholes let them

One could argue this is the attitude that leads to Bushes gaining power.

I personally blame the crappy furniture. Anybody who lives in a country where people think particle board is a pretty neat idea clearly has issues.

Particle board IS a good idea. It is made out of woodchip, which uses every part of a pine tree but the pine needles. It can also use recycled wood, simply by putting the old wood through a chipper.

Nowdays, chipboard is made with waterproof glue and compressed in manufacture (it's dyed blue to show that it is modern, high-quality chipboard) and is just as good as solid timber for most applications, like kitchen panelling.

Solid timber is for snobs. When they die, they will likely be reincarnated as an acorn. :p

In every school I have been to, you arn't allowed to distribute anything, including birthday party invitations, unless you had enough for everyone in the class.

Well, that's not every school in the country, because I've been a student in a fair few and taught in four, and it wasn't the rule in any of them.

Well, that's not every school in the country, because I've been a student in a fair few and taught in four, and it wasn't the rule in any of them.

Growing up that was the excuse teachers gave as to why you couldn't have gum. Basically if you didn't bring enough gum for everyone you couldn't chew any. This one kid actually did bring enough gum for the whole class once, but the teacher still wouldn't let us chew it. "It's learning time, not gum time" she said.

We never had to invite our whole class to our b-day party, although on Valentine's day we did have to give everyone a card, the rule was "everybody or nobody".

Seriously? You choose this "story" to make your point? Weak! You should have gone with the wiretapping law they've approved. That would actually have made sense.


As it is in Sweden.


Good thing the school isn't trying to do that then, isn't it?


Children have the right not to be picked on in school though.


Nope. It shows that it's summertime, and that the medias love a good non-story to fill the time between actual news.


And you base that on this? Your evidence doesn't back up your claim. Try again.


So you're all for bullies being allowed to pick on other kids, and don't want schools to intervene when they see it happening. Leave the eight-year-olds to fix it themselves?

Maybe this is the reason why the Swedish educational system is superior to the US system.

I'd agree if anyone were being bullied. Being bullied is being called names, pushed around, hit. Not being invited to a party is not being bullied. It's called reality -- like when your coworkers go to lunch and no one asks you, or your friend and his significant other makes plans to meet for dinner that you are not a part of.

If someone were to tease the kid later about it, yeah, punish the teaser, but being excluded is not bullying.

I don't think I'll answer you, seeing as your 'information' on comrade Stalin comes from a falsified and stereotype propaganda made by the Western bourgeois to discredit socialist construction and the work of comrade Stalin in building socialism.

I have no more time for your petty-minded bourgeois trolling.

Then quit doing it yourself.

I'd agree if anyone were being bullied. Being bullied is being called names, pushed around, hit. Not being invited to a party is not being bullied. It's called reality -- like when your coworkers go to lunch and no one asks you, or your friend and his significant other makes plans to meet for dinner that you are not a part of.

If someone were to tease the kid later about it, yeah, punish the teaser, but being excluded is not bullying.

Girls bully by exclusion first. Boys will tease and punch, girls exclude and ostracise.

Growing up that was the excuse teachers gave as to why you couldn't have gum. Basically if you didn't bring enough gum for everyone you couldn't chew any. This one kid actually did bring enough gum for the whole class once, but the teacher still wouldn't let us chew it. "It's learning time, not gum time" she said.

We never had to invite our whole class to our b-day party, although on Valentine's day we did have to give everyone a card, the rule was "everybody or nobody".

LOL, well, the one time a kid told me when I told them to chunk the gum, "But I have enough for everyone!" I asked, "Me too?"

She did, so we all chewed gum. I did tell them that it all better make it to the pail or whoever left it on their desk bottom would have the fun of chewing it again the next day. You know... the pieces on the desk...

You never saw people so careful to make sure I saw them spitting it into the pail at the end of class. ;)

Girls bully by exclusion first. Boys will tease and punch, girls exclude and ostracise.

Forgive me for thinking that it's also an important life lesson that everyone does not have to like you and you don't always get invited. *shrug*

Forgive me for thinking that it's also an important life lesson that everyone does not have to like you and you don't always get invited. *shrug*
It can go further than that, and often does. I've been on both sides of it, girls are vicious when they want to be and often they go about doing it in a way that the adults around don't even notice. I don't know if that's what was going on here, but it's plausible. I don't think it's an outrageous rule if you are passing the invites out at school. If you want to be exclusive, do it on your own time.

In every school I have been to, you arn't allowed to distribute anything, including birthday party invitations, unless you had enough for everyone in the class.

It's still that way today.

In my kids' elementary school, invites, Valentine's cards, holiday cards - you have to have enough for everyone and invite everyone. Up until about 2nd grade you'll see this - after that, the invites and cards vanish, because the parents are tired of inviting 30 screaming kids to their house and wish to be more selective.

Since being selective at school is not allowed, there are no invites at school.

We tell our kids to get the other kids' parents' email addresses, and we invite that way.

It's not onerous, and it's not difficult.

It can go further than that, and often does. I've been on both sides of it, girls are vicious when they want to be and often they go about doing it in a way that the adults around don't even notice. I don't know if that's what was going on here, but it's plausible. I don't think it's an outrageous rule if you are passing the invites out at school. If you want to be exclusive, do it on your own time.

Given that this is a boy who was inviting people, I don't think it's the case.

Also, when is it more convenient to hand out invites: when everyone is in the same room, or to have to go find out everyone's address or phone number?

I really do think it's a ridiculous amount of micromanagement that confuses kids later when they're NOT protected from reality.

Given that this is a boy who was inviting people, I don't think it's the case.

Also, when is it more convenient to hand out invites: when everyone is in the same room, or to have to go find out everyone's address or phone number?

I really do think it's a ridiculous amount of micromanagement that confuses kids later when they're NOT protected from reality.

I've never once met a person who voted for or supported the micromanagement policies and the zero tolerance policies our public schools have today. But, since it's apparently impossible to undo this sort of bullshit, we have to live with it.

Like I said, it's not onerous to comply with it. And kids are smart - they know it's bullshit.

Given that this is a boy who was inviting people, I don't think it's the case.

Also, when is it more convenient to hand out invites: when everyone is in the same room, or to have to go find out everyone's address or phone number?

I really do think it's a ridiculous amount of micromanagement that confuses kids later when they're NOT protected from reality.

The reality is that if you are inviting certain people from a social group, but not everyone, you should be discreet. I don't tend to think school is the place to bring cake on your birthday, invite people to your parties, or bring presents. If they are your friends you have their name/number/address and you can invite them on your own time.

Schools growing up really did have the 'everybody or nobody' rule. They still do.

Schools growing up really did have the 'everybody or nobody' rule. They still do.

Maybe where you grew up that was the norm. Where I grew up in NYC, it wasn't.

Maybe where you grew up that was the norm. Where I grew up in NYC, it wasn't.

Same, honestly. I didn't have this in my schools....and so even if it's true for other schools around the country, it's a bit ridiculous and babying.:rolleyes:

Particle board IS a good idea. It is made out of woodchip, which uses every part of a pine tree but the pine needles. It can also use recycled wood, simply by putting the old wood through a chipper.


New wood, old wood, all put through the mill to have the individuality ground out of it - its clearly symbolic of the CommIslamic Welfare State that has turned Swedes, Norwegians and all the rest into the one-eyed unmotivated unlovable Serf-hunchbacks that they are.

Same, honestly. I didn't have this in my schools....and so even if it's true for other schools around the country, it's a bit ridiculous and babying.:rolleyes:

Oh for fuck's sake.

Is this what you started the thread for? Is this really what you wanted this debate about "Sweden is a nightmare of false equality" to devolve into?

"When I was in school ..." followed by sentimental drivel about the good old days when you could give the funny-looking kid a wedgie and no-one objected?

Oh for fuck's sake.

Is this what you started the thread for? Is this really what you wanted this debate about "Sweden is a nightmare of false equality" to devolve into?

"When I was in school ..." followed by sentimental drivel about the good old days when you could give the funny-looking kid a wedgie and no-one objected?

*stands and claps*

Uh, no? I've gone to American schools and children were allowed to invite (and not invite) who they wished.

If there was a case or so where the teacher was an idiot and didn't allow this and complained, I wasn't aware of it. However even if so, Washington didn't waste it's time on it by getting involved.

If so..then our government is even more pathetic than I thought..but it still doesn't make it right at all.

It was a rule where I grew up...not an official handbook rule, but every teacher had adopted it as a class rule.

Personally, my opinion is this:
1) If you feel the need to pass something out, bring one for everyone. I don't want the headache of an angry parent.
2) On second thought, don't waste class time doing something that you are perfectly capable of doing outside the classroom. There is absolutly no need. My classroom does not serve as a post office.
Fuck 'em. Don't pay taxes, don't send your kids to gov. agents (teachers) to be raised. If you don't want to raise a child don't make/adopt a child.
Right. Because everyone can homeschool easily, and is competent enough to do so.
Well please go to that desert island and stop whinging and whining like a child about government you weak liberal.
Cute. Liberal as an insult. Don't let anyone ever tell you that you aren't creative.

Lets think in this scenario with a small difference.

Lets think that all the kids in the classroom are white...save for two turkish kids. And the the kid of the party ask the teacher for permission to give invitations during class time for his party. He handles out invites for everyone save the two turkish boys. Is this discrimination? Should the teacher interfere? should the goverment get involved?

Same, honestly. I didn't have this in my schools....and so even if it's true for other schools around the country, it's a bit ridiculous and babying.:rolleyes:Good thing we now know that America is a worse nightmare than Sweden, then, since all we have is one example from Sweden and plenty from America.

Oh for fuck's sake.

Is this what you started the thread for? Is this really what you wanted this debate about "Sweden is a nightmare of false equality" to devolve into?

"When I was in school ..." followed by sentimental drivel about the good old days when you could give the funny-looking kid a wedgie and no-one objected?
It is what it is. Children/People should be able to associate with whom they want to. If someone's feelings get hurt by it, so be it. I'd like to see them tell their boss when they're older "today at work the guys were inviting each other out to the bar after, and I didn't invite me! Take action! My civil rights have been violated!"....Give me a fucking break. Society has gotten to point where all we will produce will be WKBW's, that is Whimpy Kiddy Baby Whiners.

Grow. Thicker. Skin.

Lets think in this scenario with a small difference.

Lets think that all the kids in the classroom are white...save for two turkish kids. And the the kid of the party ask the teacher for permission to give invitations during class time for his party. He handles out invites for everyone save the two turkish boys. Is this discrimination? Should the teacher interfere? should the goverment get involved?
Yes it's obviously by definition discrimination.

The teacher shouldn't interfere.

The government shouldn't get involved.

Nobody should force them to hang out with Turkish people if they don't want to. We are not using "bussing" inside our classrooms and should not be.

Good thing we now know that America is a worse nightmare than Sweden, then, since all we have is one example from Sweden and plenty from America.
Wrong as always. We have people's personal anecdotes which are worth as much as what I shit out this morning after breakfast and we have a news story from Sweden.

Please try again. :)

Correct, most of the population is simply too brainwashed, with their mouth on the teet of the welfare state, instead of open to shout free opinions, to know reality.

*laughs uncontrollably until tears form. Looks back and laughs so hard hyperventilation starts to kick in.*

Where are your sources that they are brainwashed? You appear to be a libertarian version of Andaras.

Society has gotten to point where all we will produce will be WKBW's, that is Whimpy Kiddy Baby Whiners.

Grow. Thicker. Skin.

So your constant reporting of my every action to the moderators on this site in an attempt to get me "purged" is an example of your tough, self-reliant attitude in action?

I think you're a hypocrite.

Wrong as always. We have people's personal anecdotes which are worth as much as what I shit out this morning after breakfast and we have a news story from Sweden.

Please try again. :)

Yeah actually, your news story isn't worth more than your shit either, since it doesn't support your ludicrous, alarmist clucking about "mind control" and "uncivilized Sweden" etc.

I'd ask you to try again but you're really just embarrassing yourself.

Wrong as always. We have people's personal anecdotes which are worth as much as what I shit out this morning after breakfast and we have a news story from Sweden.

Please try again. :)

DAMN RIGHT!!1!

A personal anecdote that appears in the news in always much more important and relevant than hundreds and even millions of personal anecdotes that dont make it to the news....

If you dont appear in the news your personal anecdotes are woth what comes out from tAI butt....LOSERS!!! :p

What 'right', exactly, was violated?

I guess the Beastie Boys would know;

"You gotta FIGHT for your RIGHT To paaaaaaaaaaarty!"

.Give me a fucking break. Society has gotten to point where all we will produce will be WKBW's, that is Whimpy Kiddy Baby Whiners.


Reminds me of your bizarre "lactating liberal losers" jibe.

Also I think it is a bit hysterical to whine about "society" going to hell in a handcart just because a school in Sweden says that school time is for doing school things and tells children that there is an appropriate time and place for everything.

Wrong as always. We have people's personal anecdotes which are worth as much as what I shit out this morning after breakfast

Like Anecdotes about trips to the Middle East and ' tEH ARAbz L00ked 3BBILL' for instance. Stuff and nonsense, the lot of it....

btw, does this mean Silly Season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season) is officially open now?

btw, does this mean Silly Season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season) is officially open now?

No, thats in September/October/November this year, and its going to be painful.

No, thats in September/October/November this year, and its going to be painful.

That's what I thought too.

Maybe it has been brought foward whilst we gear up for another thrilling race to the White House :confused:

That's what I thought too.

Maybe it has been brought foward whilst we gear up for another thrilling race to the White House :confused:

Possibly. It is worth noting, however, that with some people, its silly season all year long....

Lots and lots of elementary schools have policies stating that if you want to hand out food/presents/notes/whatever in school, you need to bring one for everybody, as a measure to discourage bullying and cliquishness.

Yeah, that's how it's been in my elementary school.

Same, honestly. I didn't have this in my schools....and so even if it's true for other schools around the country, it's a bit ridiculous and babying.:rolleyes:

Babying? All these posts about leaving people to their own judgement and to take responsibility wouldn't be quite so stupid if you weren't talking about children.

Wrong as always. We have people's personal anecdotes which are worth as much as what I shit out this morning after breakfast and we have a news story from Sweden.

Please try again. :)

Oh, bullshit.

You want to talk about the "news story from Sweden" do you?

No you don't. If you did, you would have said so in the OP. You didn't want to talk about it then, you wanted to define "what is so great about the US" by opposition to a scanty apprehension of this "news story from Sweden" which you cast as "socialism."

So if you have changed your tune, now is the time to say so. You want to talk about this "news story from Sweden" do you?

Let's bust it open then. Let's ask for Swedes to comment on this "news story." Let's find out if all Swedes consider the kid's birthday invitations to be a major political issue. Perhaps you could find some incidence of it being raised in the Swedish parliament. Perhaps you will commit to re-raising this extremely minor matter of school jurisdiction when it is resolved, as it almost certainly will be, by being dismissed as a matter for the individual school and the individual teacher to decide.

Or ... we could talk about how Sweden passed a bill allowing unwarranted surveillance of all communications over their national borders.

Well, it WAS two weeks ago. Cry off about it not being "news" if you have the gall.

Or ... we could talk about how Sweden passed a bill allowing unwarranted surveillance of all communications over their national borders.

Well, it WAS two weeks ago. Cry off about it not being "news" if you have the gall.

THEY DID!?!?

Link?

They're claiming this whole thing is in the name of "Equality"

No, they're not. They're claiming this whole thing in the name of "Combating bullying".

I'd agree if anyone were being bullied. Being bullied is being called names, pushed around, hit. Not being invited to a party is not being bullied. It's called reality -- like when your coworkers go to lunch and no one asks you, or your friend and his significant other makes plans to meet for dinner that you are not a part of.

If someone were to tease the kid later about it, yeah, punish the teaser, but being excluded is not bullying.
I disagree, and point to what Smunkee has said.

I should also add (http://sydsvenskan.se/lund/article340726.ece)that this was done for that exact reason too: The two boys did not get invites because he was not friends with one of them and had not been invited to the birthday party of the other. Doing it like this - breaking school rules - was for the purpose of making a point and getting revenge. The teacher saw that the two kids were upset and felt excluded, and took action. And rightly so. No kind of bullying should be accepted in the classroom.

Given that this is a boy who was inviting people, I don't think it's the case.
It seems that it was. According to the teacher at least. The dad only says that the two kids shouldn't have expected any differently...

Also, when is it more convenient to hand out invites: when everyone is in the same room, or to have to go find out everyone's address or phone number?
Convenience doesn't carry a lot of weight to me, compared to practical ways of fighting bullying in schools.

Same, honestly. I didn't have this in my schools....and so even if it's true for other schools around the country, it's a bit ridiculous and babying.:rolleyes:
They're 8 years old! What do you expect?

http://blogs.timesunion.com/youthsports/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/pinebushforweb.jpg

Oh for fuck's sake.

Is this what you started the thread for? Is this really what you wanted this debate about "Sweden is a nightmare of false equality" to devolve into?

"When I was in school ..." followed by sentimental drivel about the good old days when you could give the funny-looking kid a wedgie and no-one objected?
Indeed. Sets the bar high for a constructive debate...

THEY DID!?!?

Link?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7463333.stm

This means that they can listen to all the traffic passing Swedish borders. All of it, even your email if it should be routed through the country.

btw, I just voted.

No, I don't think the kids who were not picked had their civil rights violated. But I do support the teacher confiscating the invitations (I think they should be returned to the birthday boy to distribute out of class tho) and I think the school should make clear that "in class is for all the class."

So, to conclude this "your poll sucks" critique: Discrimination is not made OK by putting on the rose-coloured spectacles. Being nice to twenty kids of a recognized cohort (a class) but omitting two, is just as plain a statement of dislike as handing those two a card saying "I hate you."

It would perhaps be acceptable in the kid's time (breaks, after school, on the net) but seeing it happen in a class, no teacher should tolerate it.

Interestingly, the school board in Sweden commented that it would be acceptable for a student to issue invitations to all male, or all female students of a class. That, apparently, would not be discrimination. :p

Indeed. Sets the bar high for a constructive debate...

Oh no no no. The bar should be set at the median height of debating skills.

Some of us choose to vault it ... and some of us go limbo. Too high or too low is the only wrong thing. :D

EDIT: Oh, and thanks for linking to the surveillance story for me. I wred it several times trying to find if this school business was playing big in Sweden. It rather boggles the mind, doesn't it? Government policy trumped by a kid's birthday invitations, Socialism on the march, inflaming the internet guardians of Liberty, while freedom of speech is shown the back door. And the alley, and the trashcans. Freedom of speech isn't like ... well ... real freedom, right? Real freedom is doing what I want to do, balling the jack and talking trash on the big wide ... uh, I have a problem with my innernet connection. I'll get back to you.

Honestly, where would we post without stupid Original Posts that plead for (lie dying and crying out for) enough heartfelt kicks to the head to silence their pathetic mewling? Are we monsters, who would stand snickering while such idiocy drowns in it's own snot?

I am satisfied. If I could do it all again, I would ask only one thing: the second post.
(Hmm. I don't seem to be back into "nice" yet. I'll go easy for a few more days).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7463333.stm

This means that they can listen to all the traffic passing Swedish borders. All of it, even your email if it should be routed through the country.

I get it! Fass posts on here by sending E-mails... And the Swedish government changes it all into a bunch of Swedish-worshiping Egotistical propaganda! It all makes sense!!!

...

Wait a minute, what?

I get it! Fass posts on here by sending E-mails... And the Swedish government changes it all into a bunch of Swedish-worshiping Egotistical propaganda! It all makes sense!!!

...

Wait a minute, what?

Two things:


that was funny!
Fass doesn't like being talked about.


I do like you, and hate your opinions.

I disagree with you roundly, on almost every subject. I feel it is my obligation to make this explicit, since my own opinions are so often hedged with irony. You and I disagree on almost everything.

So, what say you to the OP? Is Sweden a shining example of the trivial madness which socialism would lead the Western world into?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/ap_on_hi_te/sweden_e_mail_spying;_ylt=AmySSK5sOb8p3qACmimT4Ilk24cA




"The legislation gives Sweden's National Defense Radio Establishment the right to scan all phone calls, e-mails and faxes crossing Sweden's borders, without a court order."

"The law, narrowly passed by legislators two weeks ago, will let officials eavesdrop on all cross-border e-mail and telephone traffic, in what technology companies have called the most far-reaching communications monitoring plan in Europe. Sweden's government plans to implement it in January."

Two things:


that was funny!
Fass doesn't like being talked about.


I do like you, and hate your opinions.

I disagree with you roundly, on almost every subject. I feel it is my obligation to make this explicit, since my own opinions are so often hedged with irony. You and I disagree on almost everything.

So, what say you to the OP? Is Sweden a shining example of the trivial madness which socialism would lead the Western world into?

Socialism? No. Is the government getting too big for it's britches? On both counts, yes.

Please try again. :)Aight.
Wrong as always. I will enjoy watching you try and prove that all of my over 18,800 posts are factually wrong :)
We have people's personal anecdotes which are worth as much as what I shit out this morning after breakfast and we have a news story from Sweden.Math isn't your strong point, is it?

I'll spell it out in case it isn't clear:

One example of the nightmare that is Swedish society/equality < Many examples of the nightmare that is American society/equality

Underlined this week's vocab word: Example.

This post has been brought to you by the letter Ü.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/ap_on_hi_te/sweden_e_mail_spying;_ylt=AmySSK5sOb8p3qACmimT4Ilk24cA


"The legislation gives Sweden's National Defense Radio Establishment the right to scan all phone calls, e-mails and faxes crossing Sweden's borders, without a court order."

"The law, narrowly passed by legislators two weeks ago, will let officials eavesdrop on all cross-border e-mail and telephone traffic, in what technology companies have called the most far-reaching communications monitoring plan in Europe. Sweden's government plans to implement it in January."
Pfft! As if that matters! We're talking about important stuff here, evidence of the nightmare that is Sweden! You know, when a school enforce rules to stop bullying and invitations to a birthday party are withdrawn by one teacher - that's proof positive of the Evil that lurk in the Swedish minds! Nevermind eavesdropping, that's nothing in comparison to this outrageous horror! Egads! THE SKY, SHE IS A-FALLIN'!!

;)

Oh no no no. The bar should be set at the median height of debating skills.

Some of us choose to vault it ... and some of us go limbo. Too high or too low is the only wrong thing. :D

EDIT: Oh, and thanks for linking to the surveillance story for me. I wred it several times trying to find if this school business was playing big in Sweden. It rather boggles the mind, doesn't it? Government policy trumped by a kid's birthday invitations, Socialism on the march, inflaming the internet guardians of Liberty, while freedom of speech is shown the back door. And the alley, and the trashcans. Freedom of speech isn't like ... well ... real freedom, right? Real freedom is doing what I want to do, balling the jack and talking trash on the big wide ... uh, I have a problem with my innernet connection. I'll get back to you.

Honestly, where would we post without stupid Original Posts that plead for (lie dying and crying out for) enough heartfelt kicks to the head to silence their pathetic mewling? Are we monsters, who would stand snickering while such idiocy drowns in it's own snot?

I am satisfied. If I could do it all again, I would ask only one thing: the second post.
(Hmm. I don't seem to be back into "nice" yet. I'll go easy for a few more days).
:p

If we be monsters for standing by snickering while such idiocy drowns in it's own snot, then aye, I am a monster. I weep for all of humanity, because surely, the monster lives inside us all!

I get it! Fass posts on here by sending E-mails... And the Swedish government changes it all into a bunch of Swedish-worshiping Egotistical propaganda! It all makes sense!!!

...

Wait a minute, what?
The Swedes Are Listening!

My god this thread sucks!

If there's some whinging to do about Sweden, surely it ought to be about Lex Orwell, not some kids passing invitations during a class (that's what those 15 minute recesses are for! Passing invitations.).

Above is another one for you, FRA. Hope it's not too difficult to decipher.

More to come, as 90% of my net/phone traffic abroad will go through Sweden.

They're claiming this whole thing is in the name of "Equality"
Is that so? Because the article doesn't have a single instance of the word equality, at least, not one that the search function on Firefox could find. Perhaps you read a different article?

More to come, as 90% of my net/phone traffic abroad will go through Sweden.
More to come IF the Swedish tyrants allow your posts to get through!:sniper:

Is that so? Because the article doesn't have a single instance of the word equality, at least, not one that the search function on Firefox could find. Perhaps you read a different article?

The secret is: That's because it doesn't exist, and the school policy was never about equality.

Those of us who have read the article knows this already however, so tell your friends! ;)

Talk about non-essential duties of government. I think some lines have been crossed here. Some very scary lines.

Talk about non-essential duties of government. I think some lines have been crossed here. Some very scary lines.

Why?

'World History', and what exactly is that? Sounds like bourgeois history to me.

It's the opposite of Soviet History. By which I mean the opposite of propaganda.

Sounds like more Conquest bourgeois nonsense to me. I suggest you read some decent sources on Stalin like these:

http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html
http://clogic.eserver.org/2005/furr.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/bland/1999/x01/x01.htm
http://www.oneparty.co.uk/html/book/ussrmenu.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/katyn.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/ukrainian.html
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/BDandFas.html

Yeah, but where are the decent sources?

Personally I'd like to figure out a way to compare how many times Andaras has used the word "bourgeois" with the number of times TAI has used the word "leftist". Make it like a Google Fight.

Google Fight commence:
"The Atlantian Islands leftist" VS "Andaras bourgeois"

TAI takes it in a landslide.

Is that so? Because the article doesn't have a single instance of the word equality, at least, not one that the search function on Firefox could find. Perhaps you read a different article?

It can only be viewed in IE Version 15. So if you could hold on a few years...

And yeah mods, you don't have to say it. This is turning into a Troll/Flame fest with good 'ol Andy here, so I'm gonna stop now and let it go.

More to come IF the Swedish tyrants allow your posts to get through!:sniper:

Heh. Yeah. Unfortunately they can only monitor, not block messages.

The telecommunications companies tend to be mutually owned here, so some of them already moved their servers to Finland (we can send the stuff via Russia and China... they'll never read our stuff... or anything.).

Yeah I have read most of Martens' stuff, that's probably the best work I linked too, Ludo Martens (I believe) is still the General Secretary of the Worker's Party of Belgium. Bill Bland was a Marxist-Leninist who was a member of the Communist Party of Britain and long opposed revisionism in the form of the 'British Road to Socialism' (basically parliamentarianism), he also lived in the USSR before the invasion in 1939, and later lived in Albania after it became the last bastion of socialism after Khrushchevite revisionism took over, thus he wrote an economic thesis (which I linked to) about the capitalist restoration in the USSR after Stalin's death. Grover Furr I haven't read too much on, although he is a pretty good academic and focuses on Stalin alot etc.
Quit citing false followers, Stalin was a capitalistic SOB and you know it. He could as just as well wiped his unmentionables with Marx's work. I mean, cooperation with the Nazis? Those false socialists gave the term a bad name, though at least they took enough heat to become the enemies in people's minds. (big bad hitler gonna getcha) Thank goodness for McCarthy, he's the best thing the movement could have wished for.

And lest we forget haphazard and inefficient implimentation of widescale social programs across the Soviet Union. We need someone to actually implement something remotely like Marx's great dream and liberate the workers somewhere. If they can manage it without the fascist, industrialist, and capitalist trappings of the USSR, we can show those pigs the true meaning of prosperity. But until then we're stuck with such morons as Chavez to mislead the revolution.

Oh for fuck's sake.

Is this what you started the thread for? Is this really what you wanted this debate about "Sweden is a nightmare of false equality" to devolve into?

"When I was in school ..." followed by sentimental drivel about the good old days when you could give the funny-looking kid a wedgie and no-one objected?

Except, he didn't say that, you did.

Since this has basically become a pointless bitchfest, iLock.