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Muslims may not have to undergo sniffer dog checks in UK
27 Jun 2008, 1737 hrs IST,ANI

LONDON: Muslim passengers may not be touched by sniffer dogs of the British Transport Police after complaints that the practice is against Islam. According to the religion, dogs are deemed to be spiritually “unclean”.

A Transport Department report has raised the prospect that animals should only touch passengers’ luggage because it is considered “more acceptable”, the Daily Express reported. The ban may restrict the efficiency of sniffer dog squads which have been trained to spot terrorists at railway stations.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Muslims_object_to_sniffer_dog_checks/articleshow/3172842.cms

This PCness is just getting silly...
Your thoughts?

There is no reason a dog needs to touch anyone to smell drugs or bombs. Nor should a dog be touching anyone at the airport Islamic or otherwise. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with a dog breathing in the same room as you.

There is no reason a dog needs to touch anyone to smell drugs or bombs. Nor should a dog be touching anyone at the airport Islamic or otherwise. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with a dog breathing in the same room as you.

Well clearly the police cannot risk the chance of a dog slightly touching a Muslim
:rolleyes:

None of the dogs that I have seen in airports need to touch you, their sense of smell is good enough that they can sniff and leave a few inches between you, it shouldn't get in the way of security.

Well clearly the police cannot risk the chance of a dog slightly touching a Muslim
:rolleyes:

From your article
"On Thursday night, British Transport Police insisted that it would still use sniffer dogs with any passengers regardless of faith, but handlers would remain aware of “cultural sensitivities”. "

They will still do what they need to do, this is not "PC gone to far" it's 'let's have respect for people".

None of the dogs that I have seen in airports need to touch you, their sense of smell is good enough that they can sniff and leave a few inches between you, it shouldn't get in the way of security.

That's not how the police will see it.

That's not how the police will see it.

See above post, if you had read your own article you would see that that is, in fact how the police see it.

as stated above sniffer dogs should not be coming into contact with people especially as they are not sniffing out for crotches

though I did some research and it turns out they could be sniffing out for cancer! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canine_cancer_detection) (I wonder what else they can smell >.>)

Well clearly the police cannot risk the chance of a dog slightly touching a Muslim

I hope not otherwise there might be some issues with the dog finding drugs/chocolate explosives :)

Here's a novel idea, don't want to submit to security checks?

Fine, then you don't get to fly.

Simple enough.

See above post, if you had read your own article you would see that that is, in fact how the police see it.

No this is just the start... There's a whole list of crap police won't do just to not offend Muslims.

Here's a novel idea, don't want to submit to security checks?

Fine, then you don't get to fly.

Simple enough.

Well you know Muslims will say its discrimination and then the government will sh*t itself...

This PCness is just getting silly...
Your thoughts?

There's no issue of "PCness" here - whatever that is supposed to be.

Asked if the findings would lead to certain measures not being used on certain people, a BTP spokesman said: "The legislation applies to everyone. It's not a case for exemptions.

"Officers will be sensitive where appropriate but obviously there are practical implications."

He added: "These dogs do not have to be clawing and barking up at people. These are highly trained dogs that can pick up scents from distance. There doesn't always have to be physical contact."
Daily Fail. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029887/Muslims-searched-sniffer-dogs-despite-religious-objections-say-police.html)

Also:

* Some Muslims said they would avoid using a station with sniffer dogs because of their religious beliefs, while some young males, both black and white, said they would also avoid some stations as they feared the dogs would be able to detect drugs as well as explosives.
:p

Is it so bad to be aware what may offend other cultures?

Here's a novel idea, don't want to submit to security checks?

Fine, then you don't get to fly.

Simple enough.

Its not really that simple however, its more of a question of do i get to see my out of state loved ones or should i subject myself to intimate invasion of my body, my finances and whatever other scrutiny the government feels like randomly subjecting me to.

No this is just the start... There's a whole list of crap police won't do just to not offend Muslims.


Great, let's see this list.

Here's a novel idea, don't want to submit to security checks?

Fine, then you don't get to fly.

Simple enough.

This story is not about airport security... It's about the railway.

Well clearly the police cannot risk the chance of a dog slightly touching a Muslim
Seeing as they're sniffer dgs and not touchy-feely dogs, then no.

No this is just the start... There's a whole list of crap police won't do just to not offend Muslims.
Then you'd be able to list them?

Because from where I've been sitting, the UK police have been more than happy to target Muslims/brown people/anyone with a beard for extra surveillence or stop-searches.

But don't let facts get in the way of all that lovely rhetoric and hyperbole.


Here's a novel idea, don't want to submit to security checks?

Fine, then you don't get to fly.

Simple enough.
Care to read the story before making an ass of youself?

That's not how the police will see it.

...which is why they say there will be no exemptions, I'm sure.

As proven by a couple of people here with the OP's own linked article, a phailed Kimchi Fit.

Its not really that simple however, its more of a question of do i get to see my out of state loved ones or should i subject myself to intimate invasion of my body, my finances and whatever other scrutiny the government feels like randomly subjecting me to.

Airport Security isn't going to care about your finances, however drug/bomb sniffing dogs, metal detectors, and X ray machines are common Security Checks. Personally if a person isn't submitted to one kind of check or another, then I'd be very worried if that person gets on my flight, regardless of race, sex, or religion.

The police aren't just ignoring what might offend Muslims?



OH MY FUCKING GOD, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS GOING TO DESTROY THE WHOLE MOTHER FUCKING UNIVERSE!

Airport Security isn't going to care about your finances, however drug/bomb sniffing dogs, metal detectors, and X ray machines are common Security Checks. Personally if a person isn't submitted to one kind of check or another, then I'd be very worried if that person gets on my flight, regardless of race, sex, or religion.

They'll be submitted to the check, on the railway, if it is necessary. They didn't say that they would hand out exemptions.

OH MY FUCKING GOD, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS GOING TO DESTROY THE WHOLE MOTHER FUCKING UNIVERSE!
It's xenephobia and unnecessary 'security' checks gone mad...

Seeing as they're sniffer dogs and not touchy-feely dogs, then no.

if only we'd had the foresight to place roaming packs of yelping puppies in the underground...

Airport Security isn't going to care about your finances, however drug/bomb sniffing dogs, metal detectors, and X ray machines are common Security Checks. Personally if a person isn't submitted to one kind of check or another, then I'd be very worried if that person gets on my flight, regardless of race, sex, or religion.

Yet millions of people board buses trains and taxicabs, are allowed in malls and are allowed to go to large gatherings without any security checks whatsoever and society manages just fine. Its all political safety theater and its all nonsence.

seems like you cant use the sniffer dogs on the group statistically you need it most on right now.

seems like you cant use the sniffer dogs on the group statistically you need it most on right now.

Except you can....

seems like you cant use the sniffer dogs on the group statistically you need it most on right now.
It might seem that way if you haven't understood the issue.

Except you can....

Don't be silly, dogs can't smell things unless they're touching them. That's why they're used to sniff out drugs/explosives/dead bodies/etc

seems like you cant use the sniffer dogs on the group statistically you need it most on right now.

I'm not sure Burberry sniffing dogs have been created yet

forgive me if i don't lose any sleep just because someone is offended when a bomb sniffing dog humps there leg.

Now that reply was worth a lol^ XD

But yeah...I would say that we should respect people's beliefs, no matter how ridiculous (Lulz, "me no likie dogz touch' mah stuffs") since we're civilized out here XD

But hey, over here in the US you PROBABLY won't see anything like that happening, in theory, anyways.

Now that reply was worth a lol^ XD

But yeah...I would say that we should respect people's beliefs, no matter how ridiculous (Lulz, "me no likie dogz touch' mah stuffs") since we're civilized out here XD

But hey, over here in the US you PROBABLY won't see anything like that happening, in theory, anyways.

You won't see law enforcement promising to treat people equally? Wow, messed up a little over there aren't you?

forgive me if i don't lose any sleep just because someone is offended when a bomb sniffing dog humps there leg.

Sniffer dogs are better trained than that.

I don't care who it offends. If it comes down to safety, and a person is unwilling to comply with standards for whatever reason, then they have no business flying on a plane with me.

I'm sick of drowning in this damn pool of political correctness.

I don't care who it offends. If it comes down to safety, and a person is unwilling to comply with standards for whatever reason, then they have no business flying on a plane with me.

I'm sick of drowning in this damn pool of political correctness.

1. Not talking about planes.
2. They are willing to comply with standards ie. allowing the dogs to sniff them. What they don't want is the dogs touching them, which they shouldn't be doing anyway.
3. They are offering no exemptions on the basis of religion so how is that political correctness at all? Or did you read the article?

No this is just the start... There's a whole list of crap police won't do just to not offend Muslims.

I'm still waiting for this list.

seems like you cant use the sniffer dogs on the group statistically you need it most on right now.
Yeah. Damn Basques. At least the Irish have come around. But that's just because they've got bigger dogs...

forgive me if i don't lose any sleep just because someone is offended when a bomb sniffing dog humps there leg.
You're forgiven for not being able and/or willing to understand the debate.

1. Not talking about planes.
2. They are willing to comply with standards ie. allowing the dogs to sniff them. What they don't want is the dogs touching them, which they shouldn't be doing anyway.
3. They are offering no exemptions on the basis of religion so how is that political correctness at all? Or did you read the article?

then why is there a debate. If the dogs aren't touching them then why are they complaining. or were the Brits using untrained leg humping sniffer dogs before ??

This is insane. And it is the natural consequence of the current politically-correct attempts to be "tolerant" towards (ie appease and pander to) everyone's insane beliefs. You can't possibly serve the interests of everyone equally 100% of the time, so the default option is to favor whoever those in power are most scared of, which right now is radical islam.

Let's hope the cowardly scum who backed this are voted out of office, though it'll probably take dozens of deaths in a preventable attack to make it happen.:headbang:

God damn it, it is not religious discrimination to hold everyone to the same standards required for basic public safety.:mad:

Yeah. Damn Basques. At least the Irish have come around. But that's just because they've got bigger dogs...


Don't interrupt the Irish wolf hound while it is humping your leg you will just make it angry.

This is insane. And it is the natural consequence of the current politically-correct attempts to be "tolerant" towards (ie appease and pander to) everyone's insane beliefs. You can't possibly serve the interests of everyone equally 100% of the time, so the default option is to favor whoever those in power are most scared of, which right now is radical islam.

Let's hope the cowardly scum who backed this are voted out of office, though it'll probably take dozens of deaths in a preventable attack to make it happen.:headbang:

God damn it, it is not religious discrimination to hold everyone to the same standards required for basic public safety.:mad:

Right.

So you didn't actually bother to read the article, then?

This is insane. And it is the natural consequence of the current politically-correct attempts to be "tolerant" towards (ie appease and pander to) everyone's insane beliefs. You can't possibly serve the interests of everyone equally 100% of the time, so the default option is to favor whoever those in power are most scared of, which right now is radical islam.

Let's hope the cowardly scum who backed this are voted out of office, though it'll probably take dozens of deaths in a preventable attack to make it happen.:headbang:

God damn it, it is not religious discrimination to hold everyone to the same standards required for basic public safety.:mad:
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What are you on about? Did you even read the article?

This is insane. And it is the natural consequence of the current politically-correct attempts to be "tolerant" towards (ie appease and pander to) everyone's insane beliefs. You can't possibly serve the interests of everyone equally 100% of the time, so the default option is to favor whoever those in power are most scared of, which right now is radical islam.

Let's hope the cowardly scum who backed this are voted out of office, though it'll probably take dozens of deaths in a preventable attack to make it happen.:headbang:

God damn it, it is not religious discrimination to hold everyone to the same standards required for basic public safety.:mad:

Hyperbole much?

I'm still waiting for this list.

Well, the police don't bother getting together any compelling evidence before arresting and imprisoning (for 28(+?) days) Muslims on terrorism suspicions...

This is insane. And it is the natural consequence of the current politically-correct attempts to be "tolerant" towards (ie appease and pander to) everyone's insane beliefs. You can't possibly serve the interests of everyone equally 100% of the time, so the default option is to favor whoever those in power are most scared of, which right now is radical islam.

Let's hope the cowardly scum who backed this are voted out of office, though it'll probably take dozens of deaths in a preventable attack to make it happen.:headbang:

God damn it, it is not religious discrimination to hold everyone to the same standards required for basic public safety.:mad:
lern2read article
On Thursday night, British Transport Police insisted that it would still use sniffer dogs with any passengers regardless of faith, but handlers would remain aware of “cultural sensitivities”.
Don't interrupt the Irish wolf hound while it is humping your leg you will just make it angry.

If it is only humping your leg then you are a giant of some sort, and thus above the law lol, pun

It seems like there is religious discrimination in this debate. No one wants to see it though.

Every single person reading these should clearly be aware that Muslims have nothing to do with Christianity or any other religious beliefs and you people have no right to comment on anything that you do not actually know well about that subject. Everybody should know the limits.

I'm not sure whether, after reading this thread, I want to laugh or jump under a bus.

If it is only humping your leg then you are a giant of some sort, and thus above the law lol, pun

true. perhaps while humping your back is better

then why is there a debate. If the dogs aren't touching them then why are they complaining. or were the Brits using untrained leg humping sniffer dogs before ??

I'd like to remind you of the news source ;)

Every single person reading these should clearly be aware that Muslims have nothing to do with Christianity or any other religious beliefs

you have clearly never bothered to look

true. perhaps while humping your back is better

you would naturally turn to face to dog and thus it would be crotch rubbing

It seems like there is religious discrimination in this debate. No one wants to see it though.

Every single person reading these should clearly be aware that Muslims have nothing to do with Christianity or any other religious beliefs and you people have no right to comment on anything that you do not actually know well about that subject. Everybody should know the limits.

What limits are those bub?

You wouldn't knew it

...you people have no right to comment on anything that you do not actually know well about that subject.

That's never stopped us before.

good for you.

You wouldn't knew it

Click the 'Quote' button.

That way we know who the hell you are replying to.

good for you.

Indeed it is. This forum would be a lot quieter if we could only comment on matters if we were experts in the relevant field.

I heard that the government is giving hand outs to muslims and paying for their terrorist training. And giving them all free bombs.

as if you do not know who I am answering. You do not know any value. None. None of you. Good night to you all 'people'(!).

as if you do not know who I am answering.
Sorry, who're you talking to?

Yeah. Damn Basques. At least the Irish have come around. But that's just because they've got bigger dogs...


You're forgiven for not being able and/or willing to understand the debate.

Perhaps the Irish should have brought those dogs with them when they visited the UK.

Not sure what they have "come around" to though. Did you mean the thousands of Irish arrested under the PTA, or the 3% of those arrested who were ever charged with anything?

Or by "Irish" are you referring to people from Northern Ireland? That is, British people. Well, British if they win something internationally but "Irish" if they are a terrorist obviously. Wouldn't do to be using the phrase "British terrorist" in the media would it?

The police aren't just ignoring what might offend Muslims?



OH MY FUCKING GOD, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS GOING TO DESTROY THE WHOLE MOTHER FUCKING UNIVERSE!

First they came for people who want to offend Muslims, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't someone who wanted to offend Muslims.

Then they came for the Jews....

as if you do not know who I am answering. You do not know any value. None. None of you. Good night to you all 'people'(!).

I know lots of values, 1, 2, 3 ,4 etc.

To which are you refering?

Good night 'person'.

First they came for people who want to offend Muslims, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't someone who wanted to offend Muslims.

Then they came for the Jews....

Which was great, because there's a poem for that sort of situation.

Perhaps the Irish should have brought those dogs with them when they visited the UK.

Not sure what they have "come around" to though. Did you mean the thousands of Irish arrested under the PTA, or the 3% of those arrested who were ever charged with anything?

Or by "Irish" are you referring to people from Northern Ireland? That is, British people. Well, British if they win something internationally but "Irish" if they are a terrorist obviously. Wouldn't do to be using the phrase "British terrorist" in the media would it?

Good question, innit? Damn sexy drunken breeders of giant dogs...

Perhaps the Irish should have brought those dogs with them when they visited the UK.

I'd like to see them compete with an English mastiff! (http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/12/07/1197060094_0366.jpg)

or the 3% of those arrested who were ever charged with anything?

90's: that will learn them for looking Irish!
00's: that will learn them for looking Muslim!

Or by "Irish" are you referring to people from Northern Ireland? That is, British people. Well, British if they win something internationally but "Irish" if they are a terrorist obviously. Wouldn't do to be using the phrase "British terrorist" in the media would it?

British is only every used on a wide political scale to refer to UK events we compete on separate teams for fecks sake

its only natural what with England having such slow cousins ;)

I'd like to see them compete with an English mastiff! (http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/12/07/1197060094_0366.jpg)




I think thats the incident in question.
Seems thats a Muslim woman(convert).
and thats one of the sniffer dogs at work.

I think thats the incident in question.
Seems thats a Muslim woman(convert).
and thats one of the sniffer dogs at work.

she actually seems rather pleased with the work...*quickly glances at penis when nobody is looking* :eek:

Well, the police don't bother getting together any compelling evidence before arresting and imprisoning (for 28(+?) days) Muslims on terrorism suspicions...

I was waiting for the list on how police cater to Muslims, not for how they treat them badly, I know that already.

she actually seems rather pleased with the work...*quickly glances at penis when nobody is looking* :eek:

it was likely her husband who threw a fit afterwards.

Ok, so my post was a little melodramatic. The validity of my point is not necisarily changed, however. Since the efficiancy of sniffer dogs might be impeded, the authorities are still sacrificing safety to appease religious beliefs. Granted this is not uncommon, and maybe even necissary to a point, but one has to be very careful where one draws that particular line. The inability of so many to get my point reflects more on their reading comprehension than mine.

Well you know Muslims will say its discrimination and then the government will sh*t itself...

Yes and the government should stand up for itself and say these our the laws of the UK. Just like any company that has a drug and alcohol policy says if you don't want to come to work sober and not stoned then you can't work here.

Since the efficiancy of sniffer dogs might be impeded
How will it be?


Yes and the government should stand up for itself and say these our the laws of the UK.
There's laws in the UK saying that sniffer dogs must touch people?

News to me.

There's laws in the UK saying that sniffer dogs must touch people?

News to me.

Well if there is a law that allows it than that is the way it will be, notice how I never said that there was a law saying it all I said was that there if the law allows it dogs to be able to touch people then those in the UK to waiting to get on a train should abide by the law.

Read the article. It specifically mentioned that efficiency might be impeded(unless I really badly misunderstood it, in which case I apologise).

Read the article. It specifically mentioned that efficiency might be impeded(unless I really badly misunderstood it, in which case I apologise).

Might. Not will be. Dogs have significantly more keen smell than humans, and dogs trained to sniff out explosives or drugs even more so.

The OP has all ready been proven to be little more than a Kimchi-esque "0h n0ez! We iz caving in 2 teh ebil mozlemz" scaremongering and gripe.

We could use trained pigs instead. Surely the Muslims wouldn't object to that, right?

Well if there is a law that allows it than that is the way it will be, notice how I never said that there was a law saying it all I said was that there if the law allows it dogs to be able to touch people then those in the UK to waiting to get on a train should abide by the law.
Once again, there is no law saying one must be touched by a sniffer dog before boarding a train.

Moreover, all this is coming from one article citing a report made by the Transport Department suggesting that police officers be 'culturally sensitive'. In no way is it saying that the police are allowing all Muslims to avoid the law.


It specifically mentioned that efficiency might be impeded.
And gave no source or evidence for such a claim.

Also, learn to use the quote button. It's easier for us all.

If I were trying to bomb something, and I were carrying a bomb through an airport, I would never declare myself a Muslim

How will it be?



There's laws in the UK saying that sniffer dogs must touch people?

News to me.

I think the Muslims were complaining about incidental contact with the animals. which will happen anytime they are deployed in large crowds which statistically are where they are needed most.

It seems like there is religious discrimination in this debate. No one wants to see it though.

Every single person reading these should clearly be aware that Muslims have nothing to do with Christianity or any other religious beliefs and you people have no right to comment on anything that you do not actually know well about that subject. Everybody should know the limits.

Uh...Muslims have very much to do with Christianity since we are all part of the same family.

It is simply common sense that efficiency will be sacrificed if security people are spending their time trying(and failing) to keep the dogs from bumping people's luggage in a crowded room rather than focussing on doing their job.

If dogs are so offensive, perhaps they should try using pigs, I hear pigs have a great sense of smell.

Pigs are really clean as well.

Would that solve the problem?

EDIT: Damn, Land of the Trolls beat me to it.

It is simply common sense that efficiency will be sacrificed if security people are spending their time trying(and failing) to keep the dogs from bumping people's luggage in a crowded room rather than focussing on doing their job.

You do realize that the dogs are not going to be alone but with their owners right?

Once again, there is no law saying one must be touched by a sniffer dog before boarding a train.

Moreover, all this is coming from one article citing a report made by the Transport Department suggesting that police officers be 'culturally sensitive'. In no way is it saying that the police are allowing all Muslims to avoid the law.

Is there a law saying that they can't? Is there a law that all people must be subject to the sniffer dogs or just at random I imagine that the sniffer dog and its trainer runs along train platforms and in trains sniffing out and in the event someone may be touched or come ver close to touching as this may happen people can take the risk of being touched or they can decide I don't want a dog near me and as this may happen I won't ride the train, but if I decide to then I accept the risk that I may be touched by a dog as this may happen and should be expected that dogs with their trainers are moving along platforms.

I think the Muslims were complaining...
As an amorphous group of around 1.5+ billion individuals, I sincerely doubt "the Muslims" are doing anything together.

We could use trained pigs instead. Surely the Muslims wouldn't object to that, right?

1- Good to know you're posting from your nationality.

2- The security in airports and stations is not looking for truffles.

3- The dogs can do their jobs without touching people.

4- Meanwhile, the Final-Solution-Ettes around here are just looking to way in which they might be offended at the Muslims for existing while offending the Muslims in EVERYTHING they can.

So, tell me, what's the bloody point?

If dogs are so offensive, perhaps they should try using pigs, I hear pigs have a great sense of smell.

Only if they are trying to stop Truffle smugglers ;)

EDIT: Damn Heikoku 2 beat me by a few seconds.

It is simply common sense that efficiency will be sacrificed if security people are spending their time trying(and failing) to keep the dogs from bumping people's luggage in a crowded room rather than focussing on doing their job.

You seem to think this is done in an ultra-crowded room, with no order whatsoever, at random. It doesn't work like that, something you, as the security expert you seem to have proven yourself as, would know.

I think the Muslims were complaining about incidental contact with the animals. which will happen anytime they are deployed in large crowds which statistically are where they are needed most.

You seem to think that, when they "deploy" them, they simply release them at the crowd as if the crowd were a pack of gazelles.

The people complaining about this don't seem to know much about neither security nor biology.

As an amorphous group of around 1.5+ billion individuals, I sincerely doubt "the Muslims" are doing anything together.

as stated in the news article dogs are regarded as unclean by the 1.5 billion Muslims as religious doctrine.

as stated in the news article dogs are regarded as unclean by the 1.5 billion Muslims as religious doctrine.

Perhaps you could, based on your extensive knowledge of the Muslim hivemind, tell that to my Muslim friend, who deeply loves both of her dogs.

14- Meanwhile, the Final-Solution-Ettes around here are just looking to way in which they might be offended at the Muslims for existing while offending the Muslims in EVERYTHING they can.

I tend to call them Kimchiteers for simplicity.

So, tell me, what's the bloody point?

Muslim-Baiting. It's a fad just like Rickrolling, except people actually realized Rickrolling is a worn out meme that needed to die.

Muslim-Baiting. It's a fad just like Rickrolling, except people actually realized Rickrolling is a worn out meme that needed to die.

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You seem to think that, when they "deploy" them, they simply release them at the crowd as if the crowd were a pack of gazelles.

The people complaining about this don't seem to know much about neither security nor biology.

The people complaining most about the Muslims probably would enjoy watching attack dogs being "deployed" on them.

The people complaining most about the Muslims probably would enjoy watching attack dogs being "deployed" on them.

Considering that Limbaugh compared it to school pranks? Very much. These same people get all surprised when the guys, freed after being proven innocent, not without much suffering, go "Columbine" on them in Iraq and take Private Ricky No. eleventy thousand with them.

Considering that Limbaugh compared it to school pranks? Very much. These same people get all surprised when the guys, freed after being proven innocent, not without much suffering, go "Columbine" on them in Iraq and take Private Ricky No. eleventy thousand with them.

Self Fulfilling Prophecy like Dubya's War on Terruh. They accuse him of being a terrorist, they hold him and interrogate the shit out of him like he was a terrorist, and then when he's released after being proven innocent, he's so full of rage and revenge that he ends up becoming a real terrorist. Then they have the audacity to point at him and say "See? We Told You So."

I honestly have no idea why everyone is going after my posts so relentlessly.
Corneliu 2, I do of course realize that the dogs will be with their handlers.:rolleyes: Please refrain from assuming I have the intellect of a typical two year old. And to Heikoku 2: your cheap sarcasm does in no way invalidate my point. No, I'm not a security expert. Are you? It is very bad form for a debater to attack their opponent rather than the argument.

I honestly have no idea why everyone is going after my posts so relentlessly.
Corneliu 2, I do of course realize that the dogs will be with their handlers.:rolleyes: Please refrain from assuming I have the intellect of a typical two year old. And to Heikoku 2: your cheap sarcasm does in no way invalidate my point. No, I'm not a security expert. Are you? It is very bad form for a debater to attack their opponent rather than the argument.

My sarcasm doesn't invalidate MY point either, kiddo. Dogs aren't used in packed environments this way - not in a way that would make it impossible to use them without them touching others.

self Fulfilling Prophecy Like Dubya's War On Terruh. They Accuse Him Of Being A Terrorist, They Hold Him And Interrogate The Shit Out Of Him Like He Was A Terrorist, And Then When He's Released After Being Proven Innocent, He's So Full Of Rage And Revenge That He Ends Up Becoming A Real Terrorist. Then They Have The Audacity To Point At Him And Say "see? We Told You So."

Qft.

No, I'm not a security expert. Are you? It is very bad form for a debater to attack their opponent rather than the argument.

Have you been to an airport where sniffer dogs have been employed? I have. The handlers don't let the dogs physically make contact with the passengers at the luggage collection points, and there's always room to move, even when you've got a number of people just coming down from their flights. They keep the dogs well trained.

Have you been to an airport where sniffer dogs have been employed? I have. The handlers don't let the dogs physically make contact with the passengers at the luggage collection points, and there's always room to move, even when you've got a number of people just coming down from their flights. They keep the dogs well trained.

So WHY IS ANYONE COMPLAINING ????
WHY WAS THIS ARTICLE WRITTEN???

So WHY IS ANYONE COMPLAINING ????
WHY WAS THIS ARTICLE WRITTEN???

The original article was from the Daily Express, if that paper can't find something xenophobic to write about they lose sales, they live to create a sense of outrage for Colonel Blimp from Chomley-on-the-Wold.

The original article was from the Daily Express, if that paper can't find something xenophobic to write about they lose sales, they live to create a sense of outrage for Colonel Blimp from Chomley-on-the-Wold.

ahhh now I am aware. xenophobe news paper. all you had to do was say UK equivalent of fox news.

Because from where I've been sitting, the UK police have been more than happy to target Muslims/brown people/anyone with a beard for extra surveillence or stop-searches.

Same here, even when some people whine about the same "special privileges" or whatever they think Muslims get. My ex, who is not Muslim but who is a 20-something brown man with a short beard, has been "randomly selected" for a search four or five times. I, a white female of the same age group, have somehow missed the luck of the draw each time.

ahhh now I am aware. xenophobe news paper. all you had to do was say UK equivalent of fox news.

Oh it's far worse than Fox News, I often watch Fox because, ultimately, it's entertainment as news but the Daily Express is simply, I can't think of the right word, vindictively nasty.

Oh it's far worse than Fox News, I often watch Fox because, ultimately, it's entertainment as news but the Daily Express is simply, I can't think of the right word, vindictively nasty.

so Europe has new sources worse then Fox news wow.


I guess I shall label Europe Nazi land now.

I tend to call them Kimchiteers for simplicity.





don't insult the Kimchi. the Koreans will come to get you.

Self Fulfilling Prophecy like Dubya's War on Terruh. They accuse him of being a terrorist, they hold him and interrogate the shit out of him like he was a terrorist, and then when he's released after being proven innocent, he's so full of rage and revenge that he ends up becoming a real terrorist. Then they have the audacity to point at him and say "See? We Told You So."

Don't give Dubya the credit for that, we've been doing it to young black men for generations over here!

How fucking stupid.

Indeed it is. This forum would be a lot quieter if we could only comment on matters if we were experts in the relevant field.

Quieter, weirder, sleazier.....

Indeed it is. This forum would be a lot quieter if we could only comment on matters if we were experts in the relevant field.

/ contacts degree mill gets expertise in everything under the sun.

The original article was from the Daily Express, if that paper can't find something xenophobic to write about they lose sales, they live to create a sense of outrage for Colonel Blimp from Chomley-on-the-Wold.

Well that would explain it then, but really almost any British paper is always full of shit and The Daily mirror I stopped reading after a few articles had a a lot of disrespect and a left wing bias. While I don't know if they are sometimes xenophobic though not all Muslims are foreign some converts wouldn't be foreign, the British papers always seem to be full of crap and poorly written articles.

ahhh now I am aware. xenophobe news paper. all you had to do was say UK equivalent of fox news.

Just had to say British press that would have done it. I am sure that some people will say they are right and not left but the last article I read from the Daily mirror was very much against gun lobbyists (whom I presume are right wingers?) in the US at that point I had to shut down the window. That is not to say I do not agree with those people who say they should be allowed to carry guns wherever they want but once I saw that it had a bias I stopped reading it. Yes I usually don't finish articles on many papers doesn't matter if it is right wing bias or left wing bias it is all the same rubbish to me and that is why I hate the media and the people who listen to the crap that the media says no matter the bias [/rant]

Spiritually unclean? I guess "All Dogs Go to Heaven" only amounts to Western propaganda.

Muslims may not have to undergo sniffer dog checks in UK
27 Jun 2008, 1737 hrs IST,ANI

LONDON: Muslim passengers may not be touched by sniffer dogs of the British Transport Police after complaints that the practice is against Islam. According to the religion, dogs are deemed to be spiritually “unclean”.

A Transport Department report has raised the prospect that animals should only touch passengers’ luggage because it is considered “more acceptable”, the Daily Express reported. The ban may restrict the efficiency of sniffer dog squads which have been trained to spot terrorists at railway stations.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Muslims_object_to_sniffer_dog_checks/articleshow/3172842.cms

This PCness is just getting silly...
Your thoughts?

Stoopidness. Which animals are considered spirtualy clean I wonder?

Stoopidness. Which animals are considered spirtualy clean I wonder?

Those who read the friggin' article and thread. Now go cleanse yourself by doing it.

Just had to say British press that would have done it. I am sure that some people will say they are right and not left but the last article I read from the Daily mirror was very much against gun lobbyists (whom I presume are right wingers?) in the US at that point I had to shut down the window. That is not to say I do not agree with those people who say they should be allowed to carry guns wherever they want but once I saw that it had a bias I stopped reading it. Yes I usually don't finish articles on many papers doesn't matter if it is right wing bias or left wing bias it is all the same rubbish to me and that is why I hate the media and the people who listen to the crap that the media says no matter the bias [/rant]

there are more then right wingers that favor gun rights.

currently in the US the left is anti gun. And anti religious.
but both of those are prone to change.
in the past it was the left that was pro gun and supported by religious groups.

the right felt guns were a danger in the work place to factory owners and tried to curb them inside of cities.
and religious groups were drawn to the social programs.
William Bell Riley the founder of the modern American fundamentalist movement, who argued against teacher evolution in the scopes monkey trial, was a left winger who believed in taxing the wealthy to support the poor.

so i find a lot of the this is right wing Vs this is left wing to be a little narrow in scope.

If you want to keep a devout Muslim away from you in public, just have a dog.

While a sniffer dog doesn't touch you, the mere presence of a dog is offensive enough to the very devout.

When I walk in public in Herndon, I often have my malinois with me. He's a very well behaved dog, and many people like to come up to him and pet him.

There are some Muslims that frequent the Milwaukee Custard near our house. On summer nights, it's a popular place with everyone, and there are tables outdoors. Our dog enjoys a bit of frozen custard as well.

But when we show up, you can see the Muslims literally bolting from the place, frowning at the dog.

They've made complaints locally, but there is no law against a dog on a leash in a public place outdoors. Some of them wanted to make dog ownership illegal.

They've made complaints locally, but there is no law against a dog on a leash in a public place outdoors. Some of them wanted to make dog ownership illegal.

Is this as real as your so-called "Muslims want to change high school menu" rant which, when challenged to provide the school's name so others could corroborate your story, you ran away from?

O look.....


There are some Muslims that frequent the Milwaukee Custard near our house. On summer nights, it's a popular place with everyone, and there are tables outdoors. Our dog enjoys a bit of frozen custard as well.

But when we show up, you can see the Muslims literally bolting from the place, frowning at the dog.

They've made complaints locally, but there is no law against a dog on a leash in a public place outdoors. Some of them wanted to make dog ownership illegal.


Source? (providing that its other than your rectum)

If you want to keep a devout Muslim away from you in public, just have a dog.


:rolleyes:

Because the mere presence of Muslims in public is as offensive to you as the dog is to them?

Is this as real as your so-called "Muslims want to change high school menu" rant which, when challenged to provide the school's name so others could corroborate your story, you ran away from?

Herndon High School.

O look.....




Source? (providing that its other than your rectum)

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/dogs.htm

Come by and we'll walk to the custard shop, and you can watch them scatter.

If you want to keep a devout Muslim away from you in public, just have a dog.

While a sniffer dog doesn't touch you, the mere presence of a dog is offensive enough to the very devout.

When I walk in public in Herndon, I often have my malinois with me. He's a very well behaved dog, and many people like to come up to him and pet him.

There are some Muslims that frequent the Milwaukee Custard near our house. On summer nights, it's a popular place with everyone, and there are tables outdoors. Our dog enjoys a bit of frozen custard as well.

But when we show up, you can see the Muslims literally bolting from the place, frowning at the dog.

They've made complaints locally, but there is no law against a dog on a leash in a public place outdoors. Some of them wanted to make dog ownership illegal.

This is true, but normally in cases of having a BLACK dog. Most things BLACK are considered evil or haraam in Islam.

( That leaves you to guess what Mohammad thought about the "raisin head" Africans)

Hey DK, maybe Muslims "bolt from the place" when you arrive not because of your dog, but because you hate Muslims and have in fact described on this very forum an orgasmic pleasure you derived from killing them? Maybe they can sense your murderous, sadistic demeanor? Shouldn't be too hard. Should be about as difficult as identifying a dog, for that matter.

Herndon High School.
That was the one you lied about? Its hard to keep track....


Come by and we'll walk to the custard shop, and you can watch them scatter. .

Walk with you? O I don't think so. Its bad enough your dog has to endure the slur on his character.

To clarify
They've made complaints locally, but there is no law against a dog on a leash in a public place outdoors. Some of them wanted to make dog ownership illegal.

...thats what I want a source for. The Milwaukee muslims who want to ban dog ownership.

That was the one you lied about? Its hard to keep track....



Walk with you? O I don't think so. Its bad enough your dog has to endure the slur on his character.

To clarify


...thats what I want a source for. The Milwaukee muslims who want to ban dog ownership.

The store is Milwaukee Custard. The city is Herndon, Virginia.

I'm sorry that the Muslims don't post everything on the Internet for your edification - maybe you should read our local town paper.

The store is Milwaukee Custard. The city is Herndon, Virginia.

I'm sorry that the Muslims don't post everything on the Internet for your edification - maybe you should read our local town paper.

And you expect me to believe that every right wing wank mag/blog/site wouldn't pounce on that like flies on shite?

Again, a source please.

And you expect me to believe that every right wing wank mag/blog/site wouldn't pounce on that like flies on shite?

Again, a source please.

No, they wouldn't. There are too many instances of this sort of shit happening in the US now.

No, they wouldn't. There are too many instances of this sort of shit happening in the US now.

So many, you can't even cite one.

Yeah that makes sense. I'm convinced. "The Muslims" are taking over! HALP!

So many, you can't even cite one.

Yeah that makes sense. I'm convinced. "The Muslims" are taking over! HALP!

This would be easy. Have Szanth come over for a dog walk.

This would be easy. Have Szanth come over for a dog walk.

A hypothetical anecdote doesn't qualify as an argument. GTFO.

This would be easy. Have Szanth come over for a dog walk.

produce a vid or it did not happen.

No, they wouldn't. There are too many instances of this sort of shit happening in the US now.

More shite. Get a source or go back under the rock.

More shite. Get a source or go back under the rock.

Already gave you a source for how Muslims feel about dogs.

I don't see you refuting that with any evidence of your own.

Already gave you a source for how Muslims feel about dogs.


I never asked for it and made that clear. The point in contention is

They've made complaints locally, but there is no law against a dog on a leash in a public place outdoors. Some of them wanted to make dog ownership illegal.

....which refers to Herndon, Virginia, as you clarified. Now, source please....

Ok, so my post was a little melodramatic. The validity of my point is not necisarily changed, however. Since the efficiancy of sniffer dogs might be impeded, the authorities are still sacrificing safety to appease religious beliefs. Granted this is not uncommon, and maybe even necissary to a point, but one has to be very careful where one draws that particular line. The inability of so many to get my point reflects more on their reading comprehension than mine.

Ahahaha... You fail to read the article, and yet you lash out against the reading comprehension of others. What drollery! :p

Short post:

With all the new laws being passed in favour of the views of minorities, governments are neglecting the majorities. For example, some jobs in Britain may go to minorities in the case of an equal chance for the job, simply because they are minorities, and no. I cannot be assed to find a link.

Simply put: The majority is turning into the minority. No racism intended, but I expect that one day you will be put down in life for being a white male.

Short post:

With all the new laws being passed in favour of the views of minorities, governments are neglecting the majorities. For example, some jobs in Britain may go to minorities in the case of an equal chance for the job, simply because they are minorities, and no. I cannot be assed to find a link.

Simply put: The majority is turning into the minority. No racism intended, but I expect that one day you will be put down in life for being a white male.

White men aren't the majority. But I can see why you'd make that mistake - they do have the majority of the money, the power and the influence.

some jobs in Britain may go to minorities in the case of an equal chance for the job, simply because they are minorities

bollocks :)

though you would have a point if you was mentioning how the disabled get guaranteed interviews...not that I'm one to get into a fight with a blind man because I tried to squeeze past him on a busy street and knocked him over

White men aren't the majority. But I can see why you'd make that mistake - they do have the majority of the money, the power and the influence.

lets just hope the oppressed majority doesn't discover the white weakness for chocolate coins

Already gave you a source for how Muslims feel about dogs.

No, you gave an anecdote about people you infer to be Muslims getting out with the dog as what you infer is a reason.

But I know of someone who just might want to test this out. She's my friend, a Muslim, has a dog to test it with and loves her dog.

Oh, wait, that kinda INVALIDATES THAT PIECE OF CRAP YOU CALL A POINT, DOESN'T IT?

Because she, a Muslim, has a dog. She carries her dog around, bathes the dog, takes great care of the dog.

Five bucks say the Muslims, IF they are, are uncomfortable being in the same room as YOU. I'm an agnostic, and I would be.

Oh, wait, that kinda INVALIDATES THAT PIECE OF CRAP YOU CALL A POINT, DOESN'T IT?
In the name o' the wee man, there's no need to shout.

in The Name O' The Wee Man, There's No Need To Shout.

You Will Have To Speak Up, The Internet Gets Noisy This Time Of Night

EDIT: DANGIT

Muslims may not have to undergo sniffer dog checks in UK
27 Jun 2008, 1737 hrs IST,ANI

LONDON: Muslim passengers may not be touched by sniffer dogs of the British Transport Police after complaints that the practice is against Islam. According to the religion, dogs are deemed to be spiritually “unclean”.

A Transport Department report has raised the prospect that animals should only touch passengers’ luggage because it is considered “more acceptable”, the Daily Express reported. The ban may restrict the efficiency of sniffer dog squads which have been trained to spot terrorists at railway stations.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Muslims_object_to_sniffer_dog_checks/articleshow/3172842.cms

This PCness is just getting silly...
Your thoughts?
Oh sure, the UK PD is intentionally attacking Islam and there is no other reason as to why the PD in the UK utilizes sniffer dogs than to attack and crusade against Islam. :rolleyes:

They just don't want the dogs to find any bombs. And secondly how long before millions of drug dealers begin pretending to be Muslim that way they can get their goods through? No one no matter race, religion or gender should have special treatment. In democratic society "rule of law" is important. Everyone is under it, no one is over it.

In the name o' the wee man, there's no need to shout.

Meh.

No, you gave an anecdote about people you infer to be Muslims getting out with the dog as what you infer is a reason.

But I know of someone who just might want to test this out. She's my friend, a Muslim, has a dog to test it with and loves her dog.

Oh, wait, that kinda INVALIDATES THAT PIECE OF CRAP YOU CALL A POINT, DOESN'T IT?

Because she, a Muslim, has a dog. She carries her dog around, bathes the dog, takes great care of the dog.

Five bucks say the Muslims, IF they are, are uncomfortable being in the same room as YOU. I'm an agnostic, and I would be.

5 bucks says Kimchi either tries to "counter" this point with a No True Muslim fallacy, or just takes off.

:D

They just don't want the dogs to find any bombs.
Who is this mysterious and ominous 'they'?

And secondly how long before millions of drug dealers begin pretending to be Muslim that way they can get their goods through?
Never.

As sniffer dogs are still very much being used.

No one no matter race, religion or gender should have special treatment.
And no-one is, as the police have apparently stated.

As a side note, you wouldn't support criminal profiling then?

Oh sure, the UK PD is intentionally attacking Islam and there is no other reason as to why the PD in the UK utilizes sniffer dogs than to attack and crusade against Islam. :rolleyes:

They just don't want the dogs to find any bombs. And secondly how long before millions of drug dealers begin pretending to be Muslim that way they can get their goods through? No one no matter race, religion or gender should have special treatment. In democratic society "rule of law" is important. Everyone is under it, no one is over it.

1- Dogs can do their jobs just fine without touching people.

2- Prove the bolded part or admit you don't have any base to say it, at all, and were saying it out of ignorance-based prejudice. NOW.

5 bucks says Kimchi either tries to "counter" this point with a No True Muslim fallacy, or just takes off.

:D

I'll assume he's not stupid enough to dare to attack my friend. She IS off-limits, and it WILL be flamebaiting/flaming if he does.

1- Dogs can do their jobs just fine without touching people.

2- Prove the bolded part or admit you don't have any base to say it, at all, and were saying it out of ignorance-based prejudice. NOW.

People on NSG are still addicted to screaming "0MG!! w3 1z cav1ng 1n 2 t3h 3b1il m0zlemz!!!!111111one".

Who is this mysterious and ominous 'they'?


Never.

As sniffer dogs are still very much being used.


And no-one is, as the police have apparently stated.

As a side note, you wouldn't support criminal profiling then?

I'm just saying, the proposal to prevent sniffer dogs from doing their duty is proposterous and I'm glad the police have made the correct decision.

I'm just saying, the proposal to prevent sniffer dogs from doing their duty...
A sniffer dog's duty is to touch people?

I'm just saying, the proposal to prevent sniffer dogs from doing their duty is proposterous and I'm glad the police have made the correct decision.

There was never a proposal to prevent them from doing their jobs. There was a proposal to prevent them from touching people while doing so, which has no bearing on them doing the jobs, and a proposal the police ACCEPTED.

But I'm glad you agree with that. Unless, of course, you were just happy because you thought they didn't accept it, thus proving, once and for all, that you didn't read the article and are making a fool of yourself by trying to argue with people that did.

A sniffer dog's duty is to touch people?

Yes. In inappropriate places, too. Sexually. To the tune of Barry Manilow.

There was a proposal to prevent them from touching people while doing so, which has no bearing on them doing the jobs, and a proposal the police ACCEPTED.
I don't know if that's entirely true.

And once again, no need to shout. This nonsense isn't worth getting angry over.

Yes. In inappropriate places, too. Sexually. To the tune of Barry Manilow.
I can't decide what's worse: being touched inappropriately by a dog or listening to Barry Manilow...

I don't know if that's entirely true.

And once again, no need to shout.

I can't decide what's worse: being touched inappropriately by a dog or listening to Barry Manilow...

Seems it was, and wouldn't shouting be more than a word?

As for your second question, it seems to depend on your religion.

Seems it was
Then I've missed that announcement. The only media I've seen relating to this farce is the Indian Times article in the OP.

and wouldn't shouting be more than a word?
Not on t'internet.

Bold or italics to stress, generally. CAPS IS BAD FORM.

Bold or italics to stress, generally. CAPS IS BAD FORM.

OKAY.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

OKAY.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)
:p

Quite all right.

To the OP:

Would they prefer the bomb-sniffing pigs or rats instead?

Which reminds me - when the Islamic extremists start taking action here, they can count on my slugs being greased with bacon fat... :mp5: :D

Which reminds me - when the Islamic extremists start taking action here, they can count on my slugs being greased with bacon fat... :mp5: :D

Demonstrate to the terrorists that you're willing to kill yourself by fouling your own barrel in an attempt to profane their beliefs. That'll show 'em!

Never mind the part about this being spun by said terrorists as "proof" of an actual Western war declared on Islam and Muslims as a whole.

Demonstrate to the terrorists that you're willing to kill yourself by fouling your own barrel in an attempt to profane their beliefs. That'll show 'em!

Never mind the part about this being spun by said terrorists as "proof" of an actual Western war declared on Islam and Muslims as a whole.

bacon fat actually makes a ok lubricant substitute for firearms. not as good as oil based but if you got nothing else it will do. In British there was some rebellion about that I think.

To the OP:

Would they prefer the bomb-sniffing pigs or rats instead?

Which reminds me - when the Islamic extremists start taking action here, they can count on my slugs being greased with bacon fat... :mp5: :D

Wow. I bet you think you're very clever. A few pages ago, we debunked these same claims of yours. You might be less clever than you think.