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I'm kind of annoyed that the new movie is yet another installment in the Clone Wars. The more movies and stories you insert between existing 'canon' stories, the more likely you are to create a continuity error.

And is it just me, or is anyone else getting kinda tired of all the Jedi lately? I don't mean to go on a rant here but one of the things that makes a Jedi so awesome is the rarity. Now, it's like Lucas Arts is trying to capitalize on the popularity of the Jedi by ramming as many Jedi saturated stories down our throats as they possibly can. Mind you, this is perfectly consistent with George Lucas, who never misses an opportunity to milk the cash cow that is Star Wars for every last possible drop.

But to be honest, with all the new SFX technology we have and all the new sci fi writing talent coming into the picture, I'd like to see more stories about Han Solo and his generation. Tell me what happened after Episode VI. From the novels that are considered canon we know there's still a threat from the remnants of the Imperial Fleet. We know Luke Skywalker founds a Jedi Academy... I want to hear more about THAT! If we must be inundated with Jedi then tell me a new story that I don't know the ending of.

But that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.

What is this? Star Wars Episode 3.5? 7? 0?
Episode Zero could actually be pretty cool, but I'd have to insist on old-school space helmets and a 70s B-movie space-flick plot.

From the novels that are considered canon we know there's still a threat from the remnants of the Imperial Fleet. We know Luke Skywalker founds a Jedi Academy... I want to hear more about THAT! If we must be inundated with Jedi then tell me a new story that I don't know the ending of.

Do you really want George Lucas to touch that stuff? Do you?

What is this? Star Wars Episode 3.5? 7? 0?

Episode Zero could actually be pretty cool, but I'd have to insist on old-school space helmets and a 70s B-movie space-flick plot.

I think it comes before 3 but after 2 so... 2.5?

Heh Episode Zero... maybe... A movie about Exar-Kun wouldn't go amiss...

Do you really want George Lucas to touch that stuff? Do you?

No. In my fantasy world Joss Whedon or Ron Moore writes it...

The original story called for an episodes VII, VIII and IX which were as much epilogue to the primary story(IV, V and VI) as epsodes I, II and III were prologue.

I think Lucas hesitates to stomp non-canon books and such quite that thoroughly though.

I still wonder what the hell a whill is. :p

The original story called for an episodes VII, VIII and IX which were as much epilogue to the primary story(IV, V and VI) as epsodes I, II and III were prologue.

I think Lucas hesitates to stomp non-canon books and such quite that thoroughly though.

I still wonder what the hell a whill is. :p

You know, at this point I'd even be okay with them changing the actors if that meant they could make that trilogy. Hmmm... That has just inspired a new thread...

I still wonder what the hell a whill is. :p

I don't know, but I bet it will come with a funny voice and a sack of comic relief.

Not being au fait with Star Wars, having only watched the films, my only observation would be that something before Episode 1 would probably be more interesting, and engaging, than an extended Clone wars battle.

And is it just me, or is anyone else getting kinda tired of all the Jedi lately?
Get out.


:p

Get out.


:p

Ancient wizards and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

Ancient wizards and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
Unless said blaster is snapped out of your hand by some ancient wizard.

Unless said blaster is snapped out of your hand by the Force by a frickin Jedi.

Need I remind you that when order 66 was executed, a whole LOT of Jedi died by blaster fire?

Need I remind you that when order 66 was executed, a whole LOT of Jedi died by blaster fire?

Reflected blaster fire. Never put too many Jedi in a room together.

Answer:
ANY Star Wars movie will be generally good.
Episode I was a piece of cow-pat but still managed to be as popular.
To be honest it's good they're doing Clone Wars again, got some solid plot already there.
I mean, the original trilogy was a decent story, and then the prequel trilogy was technically the same over arching plot, so was good.
However, I'm not saying Lucas can't still make decent stories, an epilogue trilogy would be interesting, or a prequel prequel one would be nice.
Either way you get see the Sith en mass, instead of the two you get in I-VI

EDIT: What the hell was I trying to say there, I contradicted myself twice. I shoud've concentrated more.
PROTIP: Don't attempt to reply to three threads on different forums at the same time. I've edited out the wtf parts.

Reflected blaster fire. Never put too many Jedi in a room together.

I beg your pardon? I seem to recall a squad of clone troopers spraying down that Twi'lek Jedi with direct fire on that jungle world, The one guy getting hosed on the bridge, and a third being shot down etc etc etc

I beg your pardon? I seem to recall a squad of clone troopers spraying down that Twi'lek Jedi with direct fire on that jungle world, The one guy getting hosed on the bridge, and a third being shot down etc etc etc

Okay, I admit there was no reflection there. Only refraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage#Cause)! The blaster fire was bent towards them by strange space atmospheres. Pure luck, really.
Okay, I admit it! I've never seen episodes I and II. I pick up what I can from Battlefront.

Okay, I admit there was no reflection there. Only
refraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage#Cause)! The blaster fire was bent towards them by strange space atmospheres. Pure luck, really.

Ahhhh of course... ;)

I beg your pardon? I seem to recall a squad of clone troopers spraying down that Twi'lek Jedi with direct fire on that jungle world, The one guy getting hosed on the bridge, and a third being shot down etc etc etc
That's what you get for watching crappy 'prequels'.

Okay, I admit there was no reflection there. Only
refraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage#Cause)! The blaster fire was bent towards them by strange space atmospheres. Pure luck, really.

Answer: It doesn't matter about the "science". They just died. Plots don't care for your so called laws of Physics, bwahahahaha.

Answer: It doesn't matter about the "science". They just died. Plots don't care for your so called laws of Physics, bwahahahaha.

Maybe the Force misfired and fried their innards? Explosively?

What is this? Star Wars Episode 3.5? 7? 0?
Episode Zero could actually be pretty cool, but I'd have to insist on old-school space helmets and a 70s B-movie space-flick plot.

As opposed to what, a decent movie? This is Star Wars we're talking about. Star Wars is the epitome of pop, the kind of thing that is well liked by a lot of people but that doesn't actually have much value to it, and that overall shames the genre it belongs to.

As opposed to what, a decent movie? This is Star Wars we're talking about. Star Wars is the epitome of pop, the kind of thing that is well liked by a lot of people but that doesn't actually have much value to it, and that overall shames the genre it belongs to.
The original trilogy was good! After that, ugh. It all went down hill.

Link to this "new" movie?

The original trilogy was good! After that, ugh. It all went down hill.

A good popcorn flick, perhaps, but an actual good set of movies? Not really. The plots were ridiculously simple, not to mention boring. Especially The Empire Strikes Back. That was literally the most boring movie I have ever watched.

That's what you get for watching crappy 'prequels'.

d'oh!

Need I remind you that when order 66 was executed, a whole LOT of Jedi died by blaster fire?

only when utilizing surprise, betrayal, and a numerical advantage.

if the jedi had know the clone troopers were coming to get them it would have been far less one sided.

A good popcorn flick, perhaps, but an actual good set of movies? Not really. The plots were ridiculously simple, not to mention boring. Especially The Empire Strikes Back. That was literally the most boring movie I have ever watched.

To each his own.

I will admit, I'm a huge fan of Lawrence of Arabia.

only when utilizing surprise, betrayal, and a numerical advantage.

if the jedi had know the clone troopers were coming to get them it would have been far less one sided.

You say that like surprise, betrayal and numerical superiority were bad things in battle.

That's how battles are won, my friend. Letting your enemy know you're coming is asking for defeat no matter who they are.

only when utilizing surprise, betrayal, and a numerical advantage.

if the jedi had know the clone troopers were coming to get them it would have been far less one sided.
Pfft, that's what the force is for. How do you think they knock away laser beams in the first place? They can see into the flipping future.

The entirety of Episode 3 was a contrived load of crap.

1) Jedi, beings who must be able to see into the future just to be allowed to train as Jedi (as seen in Episode 1), and who deflect blaster fire with a sword made of pure energy which is powered by their mind and have been fighting robots, some of which have their own shield generators, for years, were wiped out in a matter of months by a bunch of pansy clones and Anakin Skywalker?

2) Amidala died from complications of child birth in a major hospital but Anakin Skywalker who had his arms and legs cut off and was tossed in lava, for a few hours, was saved by some backwoods medical droids?

3) How did a bunch of clones manage to beat droids? Even clones take some amount of time to train and grow where as droids can be put together in a bloody assembly line and replenish any losses in a day. Not only that, but why didn't their army consist more of the ones that had their own blasted shield generators?

4) Sam Jackson, aka Mace Windu, a Jedi (who can, as I mentioned, see into the future) had beaten Palpatine into a corner and was about to kill him (something Yoda couldn't even do later in the movie) was done in when Anakin Skywalker cut his hand off? Really? He can see into the future and is a more skilled Jedi than Yoda and he got his hand surprise cut off by Captain Angst?

Pfft, that's what the force is for. How do you think they knock away laser beams in the first place? They can see into the flipping future.

The entirety of Episode 3 was a contrived load of crap.

1) Jedi, beings who must be able to see into the future just to be allowed to train as Jedi (as seen in Episode 1), and who deflect blaster fire with a sword made of pure energy which is powered by their mind and have been fighting robots, some of which have their own shield generators, for years, were wiped out in a matter of months by a bunch of pansy clones and Anakin Skywalker?

2) Amidala died from complications of child birth in a major hospital but Anakin Skywalker who had his arms and legs cut off and was tossed in lava, for a few hours, was saved by some backwoods medical droids?

3) How did a bunch of clones manage to beat droids? Even clones take some amount of time to train and grow where as droids can be put together in a bloody assembly line and replenish any losses in a day. Not only that, but why didn't their army consist more of the ones that had their own blasted shield generators?

4) Sam Jackson, aka Mace Windu, a Jedi (who can, as I mentioned, see into the future) had beaten Palpatine into a corner and was about to kill him (something Yoda couldn't even do later in the movie) was done in when Anakin Skywalker cut his hand off? Really? He can see into the future and is a more skilled Jedi than Yoda and he got his hand surprise cut off by Captain Angst?

Truth. And the Windu part was ridiculous.

2) Amidala died from complications of child birth in a major hospital but Anakin Skywalker who had his arms and legs cut off and was tossed in lava, for a few hours, was saved by some backwoods medical droids?

Maybe she insisted on a "traditional" childbirth. She always struck me as one of those new-age types.

Reminds me of when "Cleo" (for the non-US, she used to run a Psychic Hotline where you would call up to get your fortune read; it was a 900 number which charged you by the minute, and they would keep you on hold a lot) got arrested for fraud. David Letterman said, "Wow! She should have seen that coming!"

Pfft, that's what the force is for. How do you think they knock away laser beams in the first place? They can see into the flipping future.

The entirety of Episode 3 was a contrived load of crap.

1) Jedi, beings who must be able to see into the future just to be allowed to train as Jedi (as seen in Episode 1), and who deflect blaster fire with a sword made of pure energy which is powered by their mind and have been fighting robots, some of which have their own shield generators, for years, were wiped out in a matter of months by a bunch of pansy clones and Anakin Skywalker?

As revealed in the movies the Sith were using their force power to block a large part of the jedi's ability to see the future. and as saw in episode two there is a limit to the amount of blasters that can be deflected.


2) Amidala died from complications of child birth in a major hospital but Anakin Skywalker who had his arms and legs cut off and was tossed in lava, for a few hours, was saved by some backwoods medical droids?

women die during child birth yes, your also leaving out the pretty harsh force choke she received. Sometimes people survive amputation and being burned. I fail to see your point.


3) How did a bunch of clones manage to beat droids? Even clones take some amount of time to train and grow where as droids can be put together in a bloody assembly line and replenish any losses in a day. Not only that, but why didn't their army consist more of the ones that had their own blasted shield generators?

The clones were trained for years in secret before the Jedi took them in to battle. In fact they were born and trained in nothing but how to fight.
On top of that they had human flexibility the droids did not. not to mention being led by Jedi helps with force Usage and such.


4) Sam Jackson, aka Mace Windu, a Jedi (who can, as I mentioned, see into the future) had beaten Palpatine into a corner and was about to kill him (something Yoda couldn't even do later in the movie) was done in when Anakin Skywalker cut his hand off? Really? He can see into the future and is a more skilled Jedi than Yoda and he got his hand surprise cut off by Captain Angst?
As said before the Sith had blocked the Jedi's ability to see the future in regards to their plots.
2 possible reasons why mace could beat Palpatine and yoda could not.
1. read the books mace used a light saber fighting style specifically designed to counter sith.
-Or-
2. He was allowed to beat him so that way he could be "saved" by anakin and turn anakin to the dark side.

Oh God....NO ANOTHER ONE!! :mad:

Welp, time to shove a light saber up George Lucas's ass.

*steals a light saber and gets on bus*

Well I for one am cautiously optimistic about this movie and the following TV series. We had the Clone Wars shorts of course, but I see this as the first real test of weather Star Wars can be successful both as TV and movies (like Star Trek). Of course it could go either way. On the down side, Annakin having an aprentice during this period (as teasers indicate) is a major continuity concern, and will be very hard to rationalize in a convincing manner. Also, the suckiness of having kids in action movies becomes an issue here. Also, the character animation is not to my liking.

On the plus side, The troop, vehicle, and background animation is excellent, detailed and realistic. Also, Star Wars music is always awesome, so as long as John Williams is composing, I have that to look forward to. Finally, I'm pleased by how Lucas is portraying the Clone Wars, as an epic Galactic Battle as opposed to the series of small-scale skirmishes that some of the authors (namely Karen Travis and her fans), have tried to portray it as:rolleyes:.

Regarding the desire for less Jedi-centric stories, your just going to have to wait for the live action series. It'll be set between the trilogies, and unless even the pretense of continuity is utterly dismissed, there won't be many Jedi around;).

I would love to see proof of this new movie.

You could try Star Wars.com

As revealed in the movies the Sith were using their force power to block a large part of the jedi's ability to see the future. and as saw in episode two there is a limit to the amount of blasters that can be deflected.
What movies?
And what is the limit? I don't remember any massive battles in episode 2.

women die during child birth yes, your also leaving out the pretty harsh force choke she received. Sometimes people survive amputation and being burned. I fail to see your point.
Pfft, force choke. I choke you. But not to death. Will you die? No. Choking doesn't do anything really unless it crushes your windpipe, then you are boned. Also, his arms and legs were cut off and he was DUMPED IN LAVA, for hours. Sure, the lava probably cauterized his wounds, but it also gave him full body burns of a degree we don't even have a number for. Very, very, very few people, if any, survive full-body third degree burns. And he wished he had full-body third degree burns.

The clones were trained for years in secret before the Jedi took them in to battle.
But when a clone dies, it dies. Did they have a time machine with anti-paradoxes built in to bring back clones from before they were collected?

In fact they were born and trained in nothing but how to fight.
Exactly, they were born, raised, and trained. Droids are assembled. It takes 1/100000th the time of putting together a clone. Even with fast aging tanks and brain-implanted training, which I never saw that the Star Wars universe had.

As said before the Sith had blocked the Jedi's ability to see the future in regards to their plots.
2 possible reasons why mace could beat Palpatine and yoda could not.
1. read the books mace used a light saber fighting style specifically designed to counter sith.
-Or-
2. He was allowed to beat him so that way he could be "saved" by anakin and turn anakin to the dark side.
See, this is why Episode 3 is a load of contrived crap. Read your explanation. You have to start pulling things out of rabbit holes to try to explain this nonsense.

A light saber fighting style specifically designed to counter Sith? Lolwhat? Each Sith, like each Jedi, would have their own melee combat style (because regardless of training, no two people are going to fight exactly the same), and the only difference between Jedi and Sith in combat is that the Jedi refrain from using lethal force powers. Something a light sabre won't stop.

I would love to see proof of this new movie.
It's the animated Clone Wars movie they have been planning for years. The trailer was before Kung Fu Panda. Cartoonish 3d.

I would love to see proof of this new movie.
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5306/200805061bgdk1.jpg

And here's (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000639.html) the trailer.

women die during child birth yes, your also leaving out the pretty harsh force choke she received. Sometimes people survive amputation and being burned. I fail to see your point.

I don't know if "burned" does temperatures of 1000˚C for, as tph says, a few hours, justice.
I guess they could still save him, though. I mean, it is in the Future.
The very distant past is kind of like the future…

Anakin is a Jedi, and Jedi are quite durable. Blaster fire that could down war droids in one shot would take several at least to finish a Jedi during order 66. Also Sith draw on pain and anger for power, and Anakin would have been in extreem pain (as well as being pretty pissed;)).

As for Padme's death, it was explicitly stated that she had no physical injuries, but had "lost the will to live". Lousy mother though, if she can't muster the will to live for her children.:mad:

As for Padme's death, it was explicitly stated that she had no physical injuries, but had "lost the will to live". Lousy mother though, if she can't muster the will to live for her children.:mad:

But you also have to remember how much she loved Anakin as well and how their last meeting went down. It is little wonder that she lost the will to live.

I propose another Star Wars films, where everyone dies. Just two hours of everyone dying, which includes George Lucas, that way, Star Wars can finally die!

I propose another Star Wars films, where everyone dies. Just two hours of everyone dying, which includes George Lucas, that way, Star Wars can finally die!

Win.

Everyone dies. Then Sam Jackson, aka Mace Windu, comes back and breaks the fourth wall by running into the offset area and starts slaughtering people.

Then Sam Jackson, aka Mace Windu, comes back and breaks the fourth wall by running into the offset area and starts slaughtering people.
While the entire cast & crew take turns slapping Anakin and telling him to, "cheer the fuck up".

Win.

Everyone dies. Then Sam Jackson, aka Mace Windu, comes back and breaks the fourth wall by running into the offset area and starts slaughtering people.

Win! Would he be laughing while slaughtering people? You gotta have that crazed mad man laugh ya know. Slaughtering people just isn't as much fun if you don't have the right laugh.

Pfft, I'm a fan of war movies and I liked the original trilogy for the actual war scenes like the Battle of Yavin, the Battle of Hoth, and the Battle of Endor. In fact, I'd love to see a movie like this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cmfNNXma2vY). Hell, maybe throw in some of this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=nJ-xoIziMmQ), too, just for the Hell of it.

I don't know if "burned" does temperatures of 1000˚C for, as tph says, a few hours, justice.
I guess they could still save him, though. I mean, it is in the Future.
The very distant past is kind of like the future…

Where, apparently, they can save you from being frazzled into biltong by lava, but not from childbirth.

Looking at the poster, this is going to wanktastic.

Looking at the poster, this is going to wanktastic.

Yes! I mean, no, bad. Very bad.

What movies?
And what is the limit? I don't remember any massive battles in episode 2.

episode two in the arena, before the clone troopers showed up. Several Jedi reached their limit on what they could block from the blaster using droids


Pfft, force choke. I choke you. But not to death. Will you die? No. Choking doesn't do anything really unless it crushes your windpipe, then you are boned. Also, his arms and legs were cut off and he was DUMPED IN LAVA, for hours. Sure, the lava probably cauterized his wounds, but it also gave him full body burns of a degree we don't even have a number for. Very, very, very few people, if any, survive full-body third degree burns. And he wished he had full-body third degree burns.

the light saber cauterized his wounds, thats been a staple since episode 4.
He didn't get dumped into the lava. He slid to the point where the clothes dangling from his stump caught on fire.
reasonable enough to survive with advanced space technology.
Her death was a bit much, if only because they were trying to make it look like she died of a broken heart. Several plays considered classics do that so i think you can bear with them on that.


But when a clone dies, it dies. Did they have a time machine with anti-paradoxes built in to bring back clones from before they were collected?

or they just had enough clones to deal with loses.


Exactly, they were born, raised, and trained. Droids are assembled. It takes 1/100000th the time of putting together a clone. Even with fast aging tanks and brain-implanted training, which I never saw that the Star Wars universe had.

did you watch episode 2 they explained they modified the DNA to make them age faster. 5 years I think it was. the clones were more effective. Also the vulnerable aspect of driods was the jedi would target the planets where they were manufactured. where as the clone production planet was unable to be targeted.


See, this is why Episode 3 is a load of contrived crap. Read your explanation. You have to start pulling things out of rabbit holes to try to explain this nonsense.

A light saber fighting style specifically designed to counter Sith? Lolwhat? Each Sith, like each Jedi, would have their own melee combat style (because regardless of training, no two people are going to fight exactly the same), and the only difference between Jedi and Sith in combat is that the Jedi refrain from using lethal force powers. Something a light sabre won't stop.

wrong. the jedi refrain from using negative emotions such as anger. Lethal powers are acceptable provided they are handed out without hate. Mace Windu had an unique style in that he would not use his own anger, but was able to use anger directed against him to improve his speed.

the light saber cauterized his wounds, thats been a staple since episode 4.
He didn't get dumped into the lava. He slid to the point where the clothes dangling from his stump caught on fire.
reasonable enough to survive with advanced space technology.
Did you tune out while his whole body was on fire?

or they just had enough clones to deal with loses.
I don't think you are quite understanding the nature of the production line. There is literally no way to take out enough droids. Literally. They will keep being produced as long as their production centers are running and you will never be able to destroy enough of them. It takes practically zero time to produce an entire company of droids.

did you watch episode 2 they explained they modified the DNA to make them age faster. 5 years I think it was.
So it takes 5 years for a clone to become an adult. Ok. It takes 5 minutes to produce a droid (and that is being generous to your argument). So a clone has to wipe out 525,948.766 droids to break even.

the clones were more effective. Also the vulnerable aspect of driods was the jedi would target the planets where they were manufactured. where as the clone production planet was unable to be targeted.
Yeah, there is no way the droids couldn't have flown over to that one planet, and destroyed it. I don't think you understand the meaning of contrived either.


wrong. the jedi refrain from using negative emotions such as anger. Lethal powers are acceptable provided they are handed out without hate. Mace Windu had an unique style in that he would not use his own anger, but was able to use anger directed against him to improve his speed.

Show me one Jedi force choking or force lightning a guy. Just one.

What I found contrived about the clones was that the Jedi knew they were cloned from a man working for the Sepperatists, in secret even from them, and yet trusted them as troops, apparently no questions asked.

Their ineptitude brought Order 66 on them. I'm not saying they deserved it, but it is partly there fault it happened.

About the Force choke, I'm pretty sure Luke did it on one of Jabba's guards, or at least it looked kind of like a choke. Of course, Luke was sort of between light and dark in that film, filled with doubts over Vader's revelation. This is symbolized by Lucas in his all-black attire.

In fact, I'd love to see a movie like this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cmfNNXma2vY). Hell, maybe throw in some of this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=nJ-xoIziMmQ), too, just for the Hell of it.
And some of this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=muaAZE0M3LU).

I wondered how the seemingly able and useful clone troopers became the horrendously inept stormtroopers.

SW is definitely more about themes than realism, if you want realism then I can see how SW is not your cup of tea.

I wondered how the seemingly able and useful clone troopers became the horrendously inept stormtroopers.

SW is definitely more about themes than realism, if you want realism then I can see how SW is not your cup of tea.

Well, after the Clone Rebellion on Kamino that took place between trilogies, the Empire decided that untamed Jango DNA was very, very threatening so instead they extracted new DNA and cloned from the most incompetent templates in the galaxy. Or so SW Battlefront II says.

However, my theory is that to prevent the clones from getting too dangerous or to ensure that their buyers would come back to buy new ones in case the old ones died of natural causes for once, the Kaminoans set an expiration date and all the old clones except for the 501st died out only to be replaced by the most incompetent fools in the galaxy. How I came across this theory? When I was playing SW Battlefront II with my friends and one of them exclaimed, "Ha, take that you walking milk cartons!" Milk cartons have expiration dates so thus clones may have expiration dates too. :D

And don't get me wrong, I love SW, it's one of my favorite series of movies, but yeah, the romanticism kinda annoys me. But there are some aspects that haven't been milked dry yet or even at all in some cases, mainly the War aspect of Star Wars. If you've read the Republic Commando series of books, played either Battlefront games, or have attended a 501st Legion parade, you'll get what I'm talking about.

Win! Would he be laughing while slaughtering people? You gotta have that crazed mad man laugh ya know. Slaughtering people just isn't as much fun if you don't have the right laugh.

It would be more badass if he killed everyone while repeating that bible passage from Pulp Fiction.

Also, his arms and legs were cut off and he was DUMPED IN LAVA, for hours. Sure, the lava probably cauterized his wounds, but it also gave him full body burns of a degree we don't even have a number for. Very, very, very few people, if any, survive full-body third degree burns. And he wished he had full-body third degree burns.


Technically, he wasn't in the lava. He was just close enough that his clothes and body fats ignited. As to the degree of burning, it didn't look any worse than third degree burning. Fourth degree, muscle charring, burns at best. Given his relatively intact torso, head and his ability to breathe, it's unlikely. And fifth degree, bone charring, is totally out.

*VOMITS*

Sorry...allergic reaction to shitty ideas.

*leaves*

Delator, that was downright trollish.

The hell? I thought Star Wars was over with.. :confused:

And is it just me, or is anyone else getting kinda tired of all the Jedi lately?


I was a huge SW fan, before the release of SW1 - although I'm a fellow of the Society for the Extermination of the Ewoks. After watching SW1 I went "meh, let's hope that Lucas won't direct SW2". Then I went "definitely bleah" and, although I have SW3 on my shelf, I never managed to get past the first 30 minutes. Sucky sucky sucky.
I've deleted from my mind the existance of SW1,2,3 and still cherish the times when there were no bloody midichlorians. What comes next, mp3chlorians? Ipodchlorians?


Mind you, this is perfectly consistent with George Lucas, who never misses an opportunity to milk the cash cow that is Star Wars for every last possible drop.


Of the Farce the ways such are, hmmm! Watch shall you, and a lot of money give you shall too, hmmm!

Money leads to bad movie. Bad movie leads to merchandise. Merchandise leads to (my) anger.


Relief of anger:

RYAN VS DORKMAN
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8NE5elL30w4

RYAN VS DORKMAN II
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-is63goeBgc&feature=related

THREE IN THE AFTERNOON
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GpuEMSH6zB4

SIX IN THE MORNING (part 1 & 2)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nfUgbkXHTXM&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N0a5vA-WCfk&feature=related

CHAD VADER - DAY SHIFT MANAGER (here linky to part 1)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4wGR4-SeuJ0

KILL VADER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9-tFTifY8

Did you tune out while his whole body was on fire?

those are flames?
lava is not composed of flames. his clothes got caught on fire. his clothes covered his entire body so yes his body was on fire.
you see fire spreads yes. but it doesn't mean the fire is as hot as the lava.


I don't think you are quite understanding the nature of the production line. There is literally no way to take out enough droids. Literally. They will keep being produced as long as their production centers are running and you will never be able to destroy enough of them. It takes practically zero time to produce an entire company of droids.

really??? because I don't recall the movies ever detailing how many factories to produce robots. the books suggest a limited number due to the various sides of not completely trusting each other with the technology. Also they were played off against each other by the sith. not to mention they never got into the material needed to make the droids. I mean if you watch saving private ryan to compare German Vs US war time industries then have at it. odds say you will still be wondering how on earth those sherman tanks ever took on tiger tanks.


So it takes 5 years for a clone to become an adult. Ok. It takes 5 minutes to produce a droid (and that is being generous to your argument). So a clone has to wipe out 525,948.766 droids to break even.

well the clones did have a head start by some odd decade i think.

Yeah, there is no way the droids couldn't have flown over to that one planet, and destroyed it. I don't think you understand the meaning of contrived either.

1st the records were removed of the planets existence from all records.
2nd the planet is populated by some sort of race of advanced aliens that perhaps wouldn't like their planet blown up.
3rd count Dooku was commanding the droid armies.
Lord tyranus started the production of clone troopers.
Lord Tyranus = Count Dooku. so it is unlikely count dooku would ever allow his clone production place to be over ran. as the civil was engineered by the Sith to justify a power grab, not actually topple the republic.

Show me one Jedi force choking or force lightning a guy. Just one.

Luke episode 6 jabba's palace on the guard. though they did adjust the sound in special edition to make it look like something else.
moving beyond that Morichro was used by yaddle(female yoda) to shut down organs like the brain or heart. and is perhaps the most instantly deadly force power. but thats from the books.
not to mention using the force to guide your light saber can be very deadly.

those are flames?
lava is not composed of flames. his clothes got caught on fire. his clothes covered his entire body so yes his body was on fire.
you see fire spreads yes. but it doesn't mean the fire is as hot as the lava.


Basic fact check.

Reality facts.
1: Fires burn until all fuel is consumed, or starved of oxygen.
2: Fires do not go out on their own while there is fuel to consume.
3: Human body fat and muscle, while not the most combustible of fuels, will continue to burn if left alone until it carbonizes, long after the victim is dead.
4: Human deaths in fire is more due to smoke inhalation than burns.

Movie facts.
1: Anakin's clothes and body ignited.
2: Anakin lacked limbs with which to perform stop, drop and roll
3: Flames had enveloped all of Anakin's body.
4: Palpatine found Anakin after the fires burned out.

Movie+Reality combination conclusion.

Palpatine would have found a charred body, completely beyond recognition, all muscle groups failed, and lungs damaged beyond repair. The brain would have cooked inside the skull to fatal levels even if it hadn't given out due to burn trauma.

But he didn't. He found what appeared to be a scalded Anakin, not a burned one. So we go to.

Fan theory posit

Magic pixy dust.

I want to see when the Yuuzhan Vong come in and fight, show us that war! That would be awesome! I would also like to see more about the sith, becuase they never really show anything about the sith in the movies except them getting owned. I agree that I would like to see Han Solo's Story to, becuase I read the novels about him and they were pretty good.

I'm kind of annoyed that the new movie is yet another installment in the Clone Wars. The more movies and stories you insert between existing 'canon' stories, the more likely you are to create a continuity error.

And is it just me, or is anyone else getting kinda tired of all the Jedi lately? I don't mean to go on a rant here but one of the things that makes a Jedi so awesome is the rarity. Now, it's like Lucas Arts is trying to capitalize on the popularity of the Jedi by ramming as many Jedi saturated stories down our throats as they possibly can. Mind you, this is perfectly consistent with George Lucas, who never misses an opportunity to milk the cash cow that is Star Wars for every last possible drop.

But to be honest, with all the new SFX technology we have and all the new sci fi writing talent coming into the picture, I'd like to see more stories about Han Solo and his generation. Tell me what happened after Episode VI. From the novels that are considered canon we know there's still a threat from the remnants of the Imperial Fleet. We know Luke Skywalker founds a Jedi Academy... I want to hear more about THAT! If we must be inundated with Jedi then tell me a new story that I don't know the ending of.

But that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.

George Lucas really messed up Episodes 1-3. And messed up Episode 6.

Episode 5 was the best (Empire Strikes Back) but primarily because Lucas did not direct it.

I think he's only doing this now to pull another chunk of cash. I think he did Episodes 1-3 to satisfy his ego, not to please the audience.

What makes you think he really cares what people want?

Technically, he wasn't in the lava. He was just close enough that his clothes and body fats ignited. As to the degree of burning, it didn't look any worse than third degree burning. Fourth degree, muscle charring, burns at best. Given his relatively intact torso, head and his ability to breathe, it's unlikely. And fifth degree, bone charring, is totally out.

His legs were definitely in lava, or what was left anyway. And he was helluva burned. Definitely fourth degree burning, but surviving full body third degree burns is unlikely, and he was fucking hosed head to toe. Contrived bullshit that he survived.

It would be more badass if he killed everyone while repeating that bible passage from Pulp Fiction.

What does Yoda look like?
What?
What planet you from?
What?
What ain't no planet I ever heard of! They speak Basic on What?
What?
BASIC, MOTHERFUCKER! DO-YOU-SPEAK-IT?
Yes!
Then you know what I'm saying!
Yes!
Describe what Yoda looks like!
What, I-?
Say what again. SAY WHAT AGAIN. I dare you, I double dare you. Say what one more goddamn time.
He's g-g-green...
Go on.
He's bald...
Does he look like a bitch?
What?
DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?
No!
Then why you try to fuck him like a bitch, Anakin?
I didn't.
Yes you did. Yes you did, Anakin. You tried to fuck him. And Yoda don't like to be fucked by anybody, except Mrs. Yoda.

:D

*snip more bullshit*
Do you work for George Lucas? Are you George Lucas? Star Wars 1-3 were obviously, and epically, contrived bullshit and you are defending it with leaps of logic and more contrived bullshit.

I don't know, I think my reinterpretation would make it worth watching again. But watching Anakin get hosed in the first five minutes of the movie instead of whining the whole way through about how Jedi are evil from his point of view, well, that'll redeem ANY Star Wars flick. I mean, evil is a very malleable term, saving people left and right and fighting robots that bomb civilian populations sure sounds evil to me.

I want to see when the Yuuzhan Vong come in and fight, show us that war! That would be awesome! I would also like to see more about the sith, becuase they never really show anything about the sith in the movies except them getting owned. I agree that I would like to see Han Solo's Story to, becuase I read the novels about him and they were pretty good.

You realize novels are written by people who sit around and think of what would be cool and would give Star Wars fans boners and then write that.

Real story of Han Solo:
Son of an alcoholic child-beating widower, he ran away and become a thief in the streets of some planet or other. He eventually became an alcoholic and went into smuggling to feed his habit and accidentally saved Chewbacca's life. Then he met Skywalker. The end.

Yes, Hero, but it's STILL better than the drek Lucas peddles onscreen.

Meh

Technically, he wasn't in the lava. He was just close enough that his clothes and body fats ignited. As to the degree of burning, it didn't look any worse than third degree burning. Fourth degree, muscle charring, burns at best. Given his relatively intact torso, head and his ability to breathe, it's unlikely. And fifth degree, bone charring, is totally out.

Actually, he was probably using the Force to protect himself from the full intensity of the heat.

Think about it. During the lightsaber duel both he and Obi-Wan were in very close proximity to the lava and neither of them combusted. Sure, the droids and repulsor platforms were shielded, but the ambient temperature would have been plenty enough to kill them both, not to mention toxic gases.

When Anakin was wounded and laying on the bank of the lava flow, he was presumably using the force then, too. His control slipped when Obi-Wan spoke to him, telling him he'd loved him when Anakin said "I hate you!" THAT was the point at which Anakin's clothing combusted and so did his skin. Presumably, his control of the Force slipped in that moment of emotion.

And he wasn't there for hours, as the Emperor arrived only moments after Obi-Wan's ship departed.

(Note: I've posted the article where this theory came from above.)

His legs were definitely in lava, or what was left anyway. And he was helluva burned. Definitely fourth degree burning, but surviving full body third degree burns is unlikely, and he was fucking hosed head to toe. Contrived bullshit that he survived.

I seem to remember blackened bits of skin and reddish skin. That's closer to third degree. Anyway, given the circumstance, look at post #64. I've outlined the basic facts of the case.

Do you work for George Lucas? Are you George Lucas? Star Wars 1-3 were obviously, and epically, contrived bullshit and you are defending it with leaps of logic and more contrived bullshit.

Hey... guys... it's just a movie. :)

Here, perhaps this (http://www.stardestroyer.net/ROTS/Revelations-1.html) will help settle it.


Vader's entire body was severely burned, both inside and out. The novelization describes his injuries further:

You don't even have lungs anymore.

Mechanisms hardwired into your chest breathe for you. They will pump oxygen into your bloodstream forever.

Lord Vader? Lord Vader, can you hear me?

And you can't, not in the way you once did. Sensors in the shell that prisons your head trickle meaning directly into your brain.

You open your scorched-pale eyes; optical sensors integrate light and shadow into a hideous simulacrum of the world around you.

It would appear that he sustained massive injuries to his lungs (presumably suffered by inhaling the scorching hot air), as well as his ears and eyes. It is difficult to see how he survived at all, given such massive damage to his body, but presumably he used the Force to sustain himself until help arrived. Some of these injuries may have healed in the years following Episode 3, as he is able to hear Luke with his own ears after being unmasked in Episode 6. The novelization also exaggerates somewhat by saying that he no longer has any lungs at all, when we know that he has lungs but they are just horribly burned, thus requiring the infamous artificial breathing apparatus which gives him his characteristic breathing sound.

The exact cause of his ignition is not entirely clear. There was no burst of lava striking him, but you could see heat distortion in the air, and it seems likely that the extremely high ambient temperature one would expect from such an environment caused the ignition. Of course, it bears noting that both he and Obi-Wan had been just as close to the lava on many prior occasions, and Obi-Wan had even been hit by pieces of flying lava (as you can see from the burn marks on his clothing later), yet neither of them appeared to be in any danger of ignition.

The lava on Mustafar was extremely "bursty"; so much so that great gouts of flame and lava routinely shot far into the air, which indicates a very volatile mixture of lava and gases. Indeed, when the shielding was shut down over part of the station, the facility took serious damage in mere minutes. Under these conditions, a normal human would probably be killed by the heat or the toxic gases before long, yet Obi-Wan and Anakin fought hard for an extended period in very close proximity to the lava, with no thermal protection or breathing apparatus whatsoever. One can only surmise that they both used the Force to protect themselves during their battle.

Interestingly enough, Anakin did not ignite until some time had passed. He did not ignite when he screamed "I hate you!" at Obi-Wan. He did not ignite until Obi-Wan looked at him with tears in his eyes and said "You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you." Could it be that this outpouring of emotion from his old mentor briefly weakened Anakin's hold on the Dark Side of the Force, thus breaking his concentration and causing him to be lit aflame? That is an unanswerable question, but it is an interesting speculation nonetheless. Once his legs ignited and the pain overwhelmed him, his entire body promptly burst into flame, which would make sense if he was using his powers to protect himself until then.

Actually, he was probably using the Force to protect himself from the full intensity of the heat.

Think about it. During the lightsaber duel both he and Obi-Wan were in very close proximity to the lava and neither of them combusted. Sure, the droids and repulsor platforms were shielded, but the ambient temperature would have been plenty enough to kill them both, not to mention toxic gases.

When Anakin was wounded and laying on the bank of the lava flow, he was presumably using the force then, too. His control slipped when Obi-Wan spoke to him, telling him he'd loved him when Anakin said "I hate you!" THAT was the point at which Anakin's clothing combusted and so did his skin. Presumably, his control of the Force slipped in that moment of emotion.

I would have imagined his control would have slipped during the period where he was going "Ahgh! Ahgh! Ahgh! My legs!"

Besides, when they were fighting, they weren't as close to the lava flows as when Anakin was doing his rendition of a slug. They were fighting on top of shielded droids, and ambient temperature drops considerably through an air medium in a short distance if there is a considerable difference in local air and magma heated air.

Given that Ben's shoes didn't catch fire when he was standing on the rocks, we can safely assume that local ambient temperatures are not superheated.

Besides, Force protected clothing? That's really stretching it.


And he wasn't there for hours, as the Emperor arrived only moments after Obi-Wan's ship departed.

Obi Wan and Anakin were fighting it out atop a lava river quite some distance from the facility when it ended. Based on the scale of the facility, even at a dead run, not counting how high he would have to scale to get back to the landing pad, unless Obi Wan has a teleporter, it would have taken at least several minutes for him to get back on his ship.

Several minutes of ignition is more than enough to turn a human body into a crispy critter.

Thereby, we go back to the fan posit.

Magic pixy dust.

Fan theory posit

Magic pixy dust.

Update to ILM standards: magic PIXEL dust.

I saw a poster for this new star wars cartoon when I went to see Indiana Jones. I really don't know whether it will be good or not.

Show me one Jedi force choking or force lightning a guy. Just one.

Luke episode 6 jabba's palace on the guard. though they did adjust the sound in special edition to make it look like something else.
moving beyond that Morichro was used by yaddle(female yoda) to shut down organs like the brain or heart. and is perhaps the most instantly deadly force power. but thats from the books.
not to mention using the force to guide your light saber can be very deadly.
Oh, and what about Yoda, force lightning in ep. 2 and 3.

Yoda didn't actually use force lightning in the movies. He redirceted it from his sith opponents.

Yoda didn't actually use force lightning in the movies. He redirceted it from his sith opponents.
Ah, but he did. Im not sure, maybe in Ep. 3, he did it that way, but the bulge in the middle in the battle with Count Dooku, also known as lord tyrannus(is that spelled right?), was actually the paths connecting, things dont just reflect in the middle.

Ah, but he did. Im not sure, maybe in Ep. 3, he did it that way, but the bulge in the middle in the battle with Count Dooku, also known as lord tyrannus(is that spelled right?), was actually the paths connecting, things dont just reflect in the middle.

Uh...Yoda didn't use force lightning in either 2 or 3.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HmSwk9YTmeY

Hmm, the animation looks nice. I'll probably rent it on dvd with expectations for adequacy. At first glance the scale seems a lot smaller than the movies though, which is a pitty.

I still wonder what the hell a whill is. :p

The species of Yoda and Vandar and other weird tiny-yet-frikkin-kick-ass-things.

Glad to help.

Reflected blaster fire. Never put too many Jedi in a room together.
Inverse ninja law.
Basic fact check.

Reality facts.
1: Fires burn until all fuel is consumed, or starved of oxygen.
2: Fires do not go out on their own while there is fuel to consume.
3: Human body fat and muscle, while not the most combustible of fuels, will continue to burn if left alone until it carbonizes, long after the victim is dead.
4: Human deaths in fire is more due to smoke inhalation than burns.

Movie facts.
1: Anakin's clothes and body ignited.
2: Anakin lacked limbs with which to perform stop, drop and roll
3: Flames had enveloped all of Anakin's body.
4: Palpatine found Anakin after the fires burned out.

Movie+Reality combination conclusion.

Palpatine would have found a charred body, completely beyond recognition, all muscle groups failed, and lungs damaged beyond repair. The brain would have cooked inside the skull to fatal levels even if it hadn't given out due to burn trauma.

But he didn't. He found what appeared to be a scalded Anakin, not a burned one. So we go to.

Fan theory posit

Magic pixy dust.

http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/starWarsE3.html

Relevant review :)

Reflected blaster fire. Never put too many Jedi in a room together.

On the other hand, take just two of them and suddenly tennis becomes interesting.

Uh...Yoda didn't use force lightning in either 2 or 3.
Uh, yes he did. Watch the movies why dontcha!

Uh, yes he did. Watch the movies why dontcha!

I have. Several times.

Show me one Jedi force choking or force lightning a guy. Just one.
Kyle Katarn in the Jedi Knight game series. Doy!

http://www.freewebs.com/mygamesnow/Lightning.jpg

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