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That's it! America's doomed!

NERVUN
24-06-2008, 13:16
Doomed! Just, doomed! Doomed, doomed, doomed, doomed, doomed!

Japanese game shows coming to America

By MATT HURWITZ, For The Associated Press

Monday, June 23, 2008

(06-23) 15:40 PDT LOS ANGELES, (AP) --

A grown man wearing a diaper is spun around until he can barely stand, then is made to try an obstacle course carrying pitchers of milk without spilling any. Another man, dressed like an insect, flings himself onto a giant-sized "windshield" with a giant-sized "splat."

Is American television going crazy? No — American television is going Japanese.

With the increasing popularity of YouTube clips from Japanese game shows such as "Endurance,""Hole in the Wall" and "Human Tetris," U.S. networks — never shy about imitation — are bringing similar antics to their prime-time schedules.

On Tuesday, ABC is airing back-to-back premieres of "Wipeout" (8 p.m EDT) and "I Survived a Japanese Game Show" (9 p.m. EDT), with a domestic edition of "Hole in the Wall" coming this fall on Fox.

"It's going to be like nothing that American audiences have ever seen on network television," says "I Survived" host Tony Sano.

Indeed, Americans, accustomed to such family-friendly game shows as "Jeopardy!,""The Price is Right" and "Deal or No Deal" will likely find the new shows somewhat jolting. Then again, that's the idea.

"There is a great desire to shock over there," notes "Hole in the Wall" executive producer Stuart Krasnow. "Ironically, we're more puritan over here. But the Japanese will shock to any extreme."

Popular around the world, "Hole" pits contestants against solid walls coming at them with odd-shaped openings. They must mimic those shapes with their bodies to allow them to pass through the walls, lest they get knocked into a pool of water.

Physically challenging, for sure. But for sheer zaniness, "I Survived" executive producers Arthur Smith and Kent Weed have gone all-out weird.

"We watched hundreds of hours of Japanese shows and looked for all of the consistent themes," says Smith, "whether it's being dizzy, use of treadmills, falling into water. We took those elements and then designed new games around them," with a little help from Japanese game show producers to make the stunts more ... well, Japanese.

"I Survived" moves two teams of five unsuspecting American contestants — who, by the way, didn't know they were going to Japan — into a house in Tokyo. The teams compete in bizarre games, with the winning crew in each round getting a "reward," such as a VIP tour around Tokyo, while the losers suffer a "punishment," such as having to haul rickshaws around Tokyo. They then vote their two worst teammates into an elimination game, such as "Splat On a Windshield."

By now, you're probably picking up that the most consistent themes in Japanese game shows are humiliation and embarrassment — sometimes to the point of sadistic — which oddly enough can serve as stress relief for conservative Japanese. "It's one of the only avenues they have for release, where they can actually let go and not be conservative anymore," notes Weed.

Krasnow agrees. While U.S. game show contestants are in it for the cash and prizes, he says the motivation is far different for the Japanese player.

"It's true escapism," he notes. "It allows them to really not be that proper person who just fits in all the time. Their culture is really about not being the loud one in the room and not being noticed. So for them to stand out is funny in and of itself."

To make it through such torture also reflects well on one's family, Smith says of the Japanese. "Their games are all about saving face. When you don't do good, you've harmed your family — you don't look good in your family's eyes."

All this is very different from American game shows, where players are generally treated with respect, no matter how goofily they behave.

"Treating our contestants well is our bread and butter," says "The Price Is Right" executive producer Syd Vinnedge. "For us, the contestants, and therefore the audience, are the stars of the show."

Hosts of U.S. game shows, such as Drew Carey, laugh with nutty contestants, not at them. The American host, Krasnow explains, "is there to comfort the losing contestant, to put a silver lining on a contestant who feels bad. In Japan, it's not like that — it's shock for shock's sake. If they feel bad, who cares?"

And unlike Japan, U.S. game show contestants are typically chosen for their likeability. "We place a lot of emphasis on casting," says David Goldberg, president of Endemol Entertainment, which produces "Deal or No Deal" and the upcoming "Wipeout.""We think it's really important to have people playing the game that we relate to and have a genuine interest in seeing them win."

One thing that's true in both the U.S. and Japan — there doesn't seem to be a shortage of people who are willing to do just about anything in front of a camera.

"Ninety-five percent of the world are voyeurs, and 5 percent of the world are exhibitionists," says Krasnow. "Thank God for the 5 percent."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/06/23/entertainment/e154053D23.DTL

As someone who lives in Japan and sees the kinds of silliness that the Japanese will regularly put people though... the thought of it being combined with reality-style TV from the US has me convinced that, yes, the US is doomed!
Brutland and Norden
24-06-2008, 13:30
I grew up with 'bout two of those Japanese game shows. They're much entertaining than American game shows. Also, I object slightly to American game-shows being called "family-friendly". :D When I was a kid, you don't even know what the answer to those Jeopardy questions are... I just didn't understand or know or "get" what should be laughed at. But I get a bellyful of laughs from seeing people stepping on floating fake stones or walking across spinning planks... and falling. I dunno, I guess I like clowns or clowning around. :p
Aurill
24-06-2008, 13:51
American Televsion has been going down hill for years. All the good shows keep getting cancelled with junk keeps returning to the air.

Besides, after the writers strike last year the industry just hasn't recovered and probably never will.

This does have a good side. It gives parents a reason to turn off the TV, and spend time with their children. I guess if the networks want to improve family values a good way to do it is to air stuff that most Americans would prefer not to allow their kids to watch.
Kyronea
24-06-2008, 14:48
Doomed! Just, doomed! Doomed, doomed, doomed, doomed, doomed!



http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/06/23/entertainment/e154053D23.DTL

As someone who lives in Japan and sees the kinds of silliness that the Japanese will regularly put people though... the thought of it being combined with reality-style TV from the US has me convinced that, yes, the US is doomed!
No, no, no, no, no!

We're importing the WRONG TELEVISION! We're supposed to be creating our own ANIME, not game shows! We've got enough idiot game shows as it is.
Heikoku 2
24-06-2008, 15:17
No, no, no, no, no!

We're importing the WRONG TELEVISION! We're supposed to be creating our own ANIME, not game shows! We've got enough idiot game shows as it is.

I'm sorry, but you created your anime sometimes.

It was crap. All of them. :p

Plus there's the unfortunate American tradition of completely butchering the animes through editing... :p
Peepelonia
24-06-2008, 15:19
Well I don't know, two words 'takeshi's castle' :D
Lunatic Goofballs
24-06-2008, 15:23
Some of you are reading this and thinking about me. I can feel it.

Feels good. :)
The_pantless_hero
24-06-2008, 16:03
"We watched hundreds of hours of Japanese shows and looked for all of the consistent themes," says Smith, "whether it's being dizzy, use of treadmills, falling into water. We took those elements and then designed new games around them,"
Judging by all Japanese game shows I have seen, their entire concept is going to be based around water pits. It doesn't matter what the thing is, it must have a water pit for some one to fall into. Japanese Wheel of Fortune probably has contestants standing above water tanks ready to fall in if they hit the Bankrupt section.
Non Aligned States
24-06-2008, 16:04
No, no, no, no, no!

We're importing the WRONG TELEVISION! We're supposed to be creating our own ANIME, not game shows! We've got enough idiot game shows as it is.

America is to anime what ingesting cyanide is to good health. Case in point, a comparison between Macross and its American spinoff Robotech. Quality of story, animation, plot all goes to Japan. American studios tend to think anime is strictly for under-10 year olds, and end up either censoring imports because scenes are too "mature" or make rubbish plots and try to label it as anime.
The_pantless_hero
24-06-2008, 16:06
Exactly, America has this idea that if it is animated, it is for children. Young children. Which would have been ok back before Looney Tunes became too intense for prime time television (use of guns and making fun of disabilities and cross-dressing? Ban that to late night!) Though Cartoon Network has been making strides to fixing this, though it is limited to late night (and all their cartoons are ridiculous).
Kyronea
24-06-2008, 17:31
Ssh! You guys are ruining my not-so-good-and-in-fact-probably-idiotic-statement!
Conserative Morality
24-06-2008, 17:35
No, no, no, no, no!

We're importing the WRONG TELEVISION! We're supposed to be creating our own ANIME, not game shows! We've got enough idiot game shows as it is.

No. you've got it all wrong. You're supposed to be DESTROYING Anime, not creating more of it!
The Alma Mater
24-06-2008, 17:38
Human Tetris ! Hurrah !
Kyronea
24-06-2008, 17:52
No. you've got it all wrong. You're supposed to be DESTROYING Anime, not creating more of it!

Heh?! What's wrong with anime?
Conserative Morality
24-06-2008, 17:55
Heh?! What's wrong with anime?

1. It tends to be utterly moronic.

2. I don't like the style of it.(The animation.)

3. The stories in the manga (Proper usage?) sucks. I'm embarrassed to say I've actually read a few, but I didn't like them.
CthulhuFhtagn
24-06-2008, 18:34
1. It tends to be utterly moronic.

2. I don't like the style of it.(The animation.)

3. The stories in the manga (Proper usage?) sucks. I'm embarrassed to say I've actually read a few, but I didn't like them.

Anime, as a genre, is about as large as books. Odds are it's a problem with what you've seen, not with the genre itself.
The_pantless_hero
24-06-2008, 18:36
Anime, as a genre, is about as large as books. Odds are it's a problem with what you've seen, not with the genre itself.
Considering anime is animation, I feel your comparison, while inherently nonsensical, is lacking a link.

Maybe you meant manga, but once we sort out that error, we get into the major issue of books not being a genre. Unless of course you meant genre of 'entertainment' at which point I quit and you can die >_>
CthulhuFhtagn
24-06-2008, 18:38
Considering anime is animation, I feel your comparison, while inherently nonsensical, is lacking a link.

Maybe you meant manga, but once we sort out that error, we get into the major issue of books not being a genre. Unless of course you meant genre of 'entertainment' at which point I quit and you can die >_>

Genre's the wrong word. Medium, would probably be better.

Edit: Technically, genre could be used. As animation is a subset of film, and thus a genre, books are a subset of literature.
Geniasis
24-06-2008, 18:49
I'm sorry, but you created your anime sometimes.

It was crap. All of them. :p

Untrue. Take Avatar for instance. It's about as close as you can get to Western "Anime" and it's pretty decent considering that it's primarily a children's show.

Plus there's the unfortunate American tradition of completely butchering the animes through editing... :p

We... don't like to talk about that.

@Conserative; You've been watching the wrong Anime. Try Cowboy Bebop. Or Monster.
The Alma Mater
24-06-2008, 18:57
Untrue. Take Avatar for instance. It's about as close as you can get to Western "Anime" and it's pretty decent considering that it's primarily a children's show.

Alfred J Kwak also was pretty good - and contained very serious themes (e.g. racism, oppression, stateforms and so on).
Geniasis
24-06-2008, 19:02
Alfred J Kwak also was pretty good - and contained very serious themes (e.g. racism, oppression, stateforms and so on).

I've never heard of that one. Sounds like it's worth looking into.
The Alma Mater
24-06-2008, 19:09
I've never heard of that one.

No wonder - it is almost 20 years old ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J_Kwak
The_pantless_hero
24-06-2008, 19:57
@Conserative; You've been watching the wrong Anime. Try Cowboy Bebop. Or Monster.

Lol, Cowboy Bebop came to the states so early, it was sliced up worse than any show to proceed it. While the translation was dubbing was good, it was seriously cut up - even though it aired at 1AM, it still had more cut out than is shown on Saturday morning cartoons now, or even Saturday afternoon for Cartoon Network. Alot of blood and bloody scenes were completely tossed, the ones that wern't editable. Though it is still the best anime to be found, IMO.
Skyland Mt
24-06-2008, 20:37
A lot of Japanese culture seems pretty twisted, certainly in regards to television, but frankly gameshows and reality TV blow no matter what.
CthulhuFhtagn
24-06-2008, 20:51
Lol, Cowboy Bebop came to the states so early, it was sliced up worse than any show to proceed it. While the translation was dubbing was good, it was seriously cut up - even though it aired at 1AM, it still had more cut out than is shown on Saturday morning cartoons now, or even Saturday afternoon for Cartoon Network. Alot of blood and bloody scenes were completely tossed, the ones that wern't editable. Though it is still the best anime to be found, IMO.

The editing was done by Cartoon Network, not by the translators. In other words, the dub contains all that stuff. Cartoon Network just didn't show it.
Maineiacs
24-06-2008, 20:52
This reminds me of a joke I heard.

Qeustion: You wake up in a foreign country, somewhere in Asia. From clues like the writing on billboards, etc., you figure you're probably either in China or Japan. How do you figure out which country you're in (assuming you don't speak either language)?

Answer: Take off all your clothes, and run down the street screaming and throwing pieces of ham at people. If they throw you in jail, you're in China; if they put you on a game show, you're in Japan.
Anti-Social Darwinism
24-06-2008, 21:05
First Lin Minmei, then Iron Chef America, now this. *cries*
Geniasis
24-06-2008, 21:23
Lol, Cowboy Bebop came to the states so early, it was sliced up worse than any show to proceed it. While the translation was dubbing was good, it was seriously cut up - even though it aired at 1AM, it still had more cut out than is shown on Saturday morning cartoons now, or even Saturday afternoon for Cartoon Network. Alot of blood and bloody scenes were completely tossed, the ones that wern't editable. Though it is still the best anime to be found, IMO.

Why the hell do you think I meant dubbing? Anyone who's a true anime-nerd knows the True Way TM
Dragontide
24-06-2008, 22:53
Bring back DEADWOOD!!!
Mad hatters in jeans
25-06-2008, 01:54
so what does this mean for yogi bear then?

exactly you can't think of an answer because the answer is wtf right?
Port Arcana
25-06-2008, 09:51
Finally! Some quality shows to watch on telly!:D
Andaras
25-06-2008, 09:54
I have to admit, that 'Hole in the Wall' show is quite epic.
Non Aligned States
25-06-2008, 13:03
Why the hell do you think I meant dubbing? Anyone who's a true anime-nerd knows the True Way TM

Even American commercial subbing sucks compared to fan group subbing. Badly.
Dorksonia
25-06-2008, 20:23
You actually believe anything the AP prints??!! Reuters??!! It blows my mind how easy it is to indoctrinate small minded people.