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the old question will be seen around, but here is a new one for this thread, now that the trolling is over:

What shall we do to save America from its impending doom?

Withall of our electoral choices being either corrupt or stupid, our country is turning for the worse. what is it that we need to do to fix the political problems with the USA?

This is just my opinion, but i would like to hear what others think on the subject.

Right now, we can only vote for some one who either has allot of money, allot of publicity, or a high enough position politically. With this election we literally end up voting for the best of the worst choices we have ever seen. Hillery only want to be president because she is a woman, and Obauma because he is black.
I know their arguments, but that's what they break it down to.

What i think we should do is kill of our current politicians, then force people who are best fit into doing the job, weather they want to o it or not. if they suck, execute or fire them.

problem solved in my opinion, but what are your opinions NS users?

spelling is your friend.

Sounds like an election thread. You should post this in the stickied thread instead.

This is just my opinion, but i would like to hear what others think on the subject.

Right now, we can only vote for some one who either has allot of money, allot of publicity, or a high enough position politically. With this election we literally end up voting for the best of the worst choices we have ever seen. Hillery only want to be president because she is a woman, and Obauma because he is black.
I know their arguments, but that's what they break it down to.

What i think we should do is kill of our current politicians, then force people who are best fit into doing the job, weather they want to o it or not. if they suck, execute or fire them.

problem solved in my opinion, but what are your opinions NS users?

But what about the wrongly convicted Politicians?[/Sarcasm]

McCain only wants the job because he's a mammal. The bastard.

Hmm, good idea except for all the, well, murder.

Who's going to be doing the shooting, again?

hmmm maybe we should have like politicians who are bred and raised from birth to lead? it would make things so much easier :)

in this same time, we get rid of life in prison, and replace with public execution. After a week of torture they regret their crime, dying as good people. then the people we hire to kill them will kill the politicians under the same united equal punishment as all the other criminals.

this may be in wrong place but lets keep it here.

What execute people because we forced them into a job and expected better of them? Sounds a little harsh.

As for the current crop of politicians I think it would be much better to ship them all off to some place like Easter Island, give them an ample supply of LSD in their water supplies, film the proceedings and then profit from the proceeds of sureality TV.

in this same time, we get rid of life in prison, and replace with public execution, after a week of torture, so they regret their crime, dying as good people. then the people we hire to kill them, will kill the politicians, under the same united equal punishment as all the other criminals.

this may be in wrong place but lets keep it here.

Because torture makes you regret crime, it doesn't just make you regret being tortured?

in This Same Time, We Get Rid Of Life In Prison, And Replace With Public Execution, After A Week Of Torture, So They Regret Their Crime, Dying As Good People. Then The People We Hire To Kill Them, Will Kill The Politicians, Under The Same United Equal Punishment As All The Other Criminals.

Qft.

What execute people because we forced them into a job and expected better of them? Sounds a little harsh.


Well, if the know that messing up = death, they will perform better.

Well, if the know that messing up = death, they will perform better.Not really. Quite a lot of people tend to fuck up most severely when under a great deal of pressure like that. just like many people tend to royally screw up their lives when under no pressure at all.

hmmm maybe we should have like politicians who are bred and raised from birth to lead? it would make things so much easier :)Stop plagiarising Plato. It's bad for your mental health... because... well, it's Plato. You might as well go around professing that everything as an ideal form.

Damnit. I wanted to think of something better to say, but that's all I could really remember of Plato except for the Cave metaphor and the Sophists and the several types of government.

Hmm... just typoed Cave as Cava. I think I may have something on the mind... :)

this may be in wrong place but lets keep it here.Ohohono, not the wrong place silly :D
Against the rules set up to prevent election threads from overpolluting NSG.

If it were really about gender/race, then Carol Mosley Braun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Moseley_Braun) would have been the candidate back in 2004, she's black and a woman. Reductionism should not be substituted for insight.

Also, as pointed out, our presidential candidacy musings are confined to the sticky thread because this is an international forum (meaning you're going to want to be specific when you say "what our country needs"...since there are a lot of countries represented here) and they don't want us dominating the front page with our election. And believe me, given the chance, we will.

If it were really about gender/race, then Carol Mosley Braun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Moseley_Braun) would have been the candidate back in 2004, she's black and a woman. Reductionism should not be substituted for insight.Well if she'd also been a disabled Welsh lesbian, then you might have a point.

... Yay for references to Yes Minister!

I'm tempted to dismiss the OP as a poor attempt at a joke or else as simple trolling, and unworthy of responce, but here goes:

First, provide one shread of evidence that either Clinton or Obama is running because of race or gender, respectively. Clinton's big issue is health care, and Obama has explicitely based his campaign on moving past racial differences. Unless you can give some evidence to support this assertion, I will conclude that you are making these allegations simply because its a black man and a woman running, in which case you are probably a racist(since only white men can have real policies; any one else is just trying to get power for their little group instead of the white men who should be in charge. You do realize thats the impression your post gives?)

Secondly, you are advocating armed revolt. Hope you enjoy that visit from the FBI. If you're lucky, you might even get a free trip to Cuba.

Finally, are you completely disregarding the fact that violent revolutionaries tend to end up being just as bad as, or even worse than the people they overthrow? So we kill all our politicians, regardless of individual merrit, becoming more corrupt and ruthless than they ever were. Then we appoint new leaders, and kill off anyone who does a bad job. But how do we determine what constitutes doing a bad job? Ultimately, everyone has a different view on this, so it likely would boil down to "killing anyone we don't like." That's either totalitarianism, if one or a few people are doing it, or its civil war, if everyone's doing it to each other. I suppose you could do it by majority vote, but what about when someone decides holding a vote is "doing a bad job", and takes matters into their own hands?

In other words, this ranks among the stupidest posts I've ever read, unless it was intended as comedy, in which case it just wasn't that funny. And yeh, put it in the election thread. Awaiting locking in three, two, one...

Well if she'd also been a disabled Welsh lesbian, then you might have a point.

... Yay for references to Yes Minister!

hey! female, black and lesbian would be fine but WELSH is out of the question!

This is just my opinion, but i would like to hear what others think on the subject.

Right now, we can only vote for some one who either has allot of money, allot of publicity, or a high enough position politically. With this election we literally end up voting for the best of the worst choices we have ever seen. Hillery only want to be president because she is a woman, and Obauma because he is black.
I know their arguments, but that's what they break it down to.

What i think we should do is kill of our current politicians, then force people who are best fit into doing the job, weather they want to o it or not. if they suck, execute or fire them.

problem solved in my opinion, but what are your opinions NS users?

Ah yes, forced labour and arbitrary executions. It's the foundation of any enlightened society.

This is just my opinion, but i would like to hear what others think on the subject.

Right now, we can only vote for some one who either has allot of money, allot of publicity, or a high enough position politically. With this election we literally end up voting for the best of the worst choices we have ever seen. Hillery only want to be president because she is a woman, and Obauma because he is black.
I know their arguments, but that's what they break it down to.

What i think we should do is kill of our current politicians, then force people who are best fit into doing the job, weather they want to o it or not. if they suck, execute or fire them.

problem solved in my opinion, but what are your opinions NS users?

This (http://www.rootsconnection.ch/c/pics/flyer-pic/tshirt/1992-georgeclinton.jpg) is another way around it :)

is Hillary still alive?

Stop plagiarising Plato. It's bad for your mental health... because... well, it's Plato. You might as well go around professing that everything as an ideal form.

I was actually referring to the argument for absolute monarchy and have never even touched on Plato in my life:p

Stop plagiarising Plato. It's bad for your mental health... because... well, it's Plato. You might as well go around professing that everything as an ideal form.

Call me unsophisticated, but despite how much greek literature i have read, I was advised against plato, so i never read it.

This is just my opinion, but i would like to hear what others think on the subject.

Right now, we can only vote for some one who either has allot of money, allot of publicity, or a high enough position politically. With this election we literally end up voting for the best of the worst choices we have ever seen. Hillery only want to be president because she is a woman, and Obauma because he is black.
I know their arguments, but that's what they break it down to.

What i think we should do is kill of our current politicians, then force people who are best fit into doing the job, weather they want to o it or not. if they suck, execute or fire them.

problem solved in my opinion, but what are your opinions NS users?

Way to commit a felony. :rolleyes:

hey! female, black and lesbian would be fine but WELSH is out of the question!You seem to have forgotten disabled. Or do you consider one of those four to also encompass disability? ;)

Anyway, damn racist Americans. We'd let you be PM of our country, but can we be President of yours? No... we let you extradite our citizens, but do you let us extradite yours? No... We import parts of your culture, but do you import parts of ours? No... (The Beeb has to force it upon you instead). We also let you walk all over us in the name of that 'special relationship', but do you...

You seem to have forgotten disabled. Or do you consider one of those four to also encompass disability? ;)

Anyway, damn racist Americans. We'd let you be PM of our country, but can we be President of yours? No... we let you extradite our citizens, but do you let us extradite yours? No... We import parts of your culture, but do you import parts of ours? No... (The Beeb has to force it upon you instead). We also let you walk all over us in the name of that 'special relationship', but do you...

yeah that would make great sense but we are talking WELSH here.

I was actually referring to the argument for absolute monarchy and have never even touched on Plato in my life:pPlato makes the same argument. But only philosopher kings instead. People who supposedly are most learned in the ways of the world, yet have no interest in governing it because of this fact.

Call me unsophisticated, but despite how much greek literature i have read, I was advised against plato, so i never read it.One should always attempt read Plato at least once, if only to realise that one should never have bothered in the first place. It lends a certain insight in to life. Like how perhaps the Blessed Chris is not the first of his kind.

McCain only wants the job because he's a mammal. The bastard.

we gave mammals civil rights 40 years ago and now he touts it around in an election? what a douche

yeah that would make great sense but we are talking WELSH here.What about the Welsh, huh?

What about the Welsh, huh?

youll have to ask infinte dunes or "yes minister"

hmmm maybe we should have like politicians who are bred and raised from birth to lead? it would make things so much easier :)
We do, what the hell do you think public schools are for?

We do, what the hell do you think public schools are for?

future politicians are bred in our public schools?!

future politicians are bred in our public schools?!
Aye. Certainly are in the boarding sections of some of them.

future politicians are bred in our public schools?!

God(s) forbid...

Aye. Certainly are in the boarding sections of some of them.I was about to ask just precisely which definition of public we were using... I have never understood why privately run schools are called public schools in the UK. :confused:

I was about to ask just precisely which definition of public we were using... I have never understood why privately run schools are called public schools in the UK. :confused:
Public schools were historically funded by guilds and other such enterprises, whereas private schools were historically owned by their headmasters.

And the names sort of stuck. Although in Scotland, 'public school' is a bit more ambiguous than in England and Wales.

Public schools were historically funded by guilds and other such enterprises, whereas private schools were historically owned by their headmasters.

And the names sort of stuck. Although in Scotland, 'public school' is a bit more ambiguous than in England and Wales.Ah, interesting. And here was me thinking it was just something to confuse the Americans with.

I do think there a ridiculous amount of different types of school you can get in the UK though. There are: public, private, state, grammar, independent, comprehensive, technology college, media-arts college, city academies and faith schools. Of which almost none are mutually exclusive.

I'm tempted to dismiss the OP as a poor attempt at a joke or else as simple trolling, and unworthy of responce, but here goes:

First, provide one shread of evidence that either Clinton or Obama is running because of race or gender, respectively. Clinton's big issue is health care, and Obama has explicitely based his campaign on moving past racial differences. Unless you can give some evidence to support this assertion, I will conclude that you are making these allegations simply because its a black man and a woman running, in which case you are probably a racist(since only white men can have real policies; any one else is just trying to get power for their little group instead of the white men who should be in charge. You do realize thats the impression your post gives?)

Secondly, you are advocating armed revolt. Hope you enjoy that visit from the FBI. If you're lucky, you might even get a free trip to Cuba.

Finally, are you completely disregarding the fact that violent revolutionaries tend to end up being just as bad as, or even worse than the people they overthrow? So we kill all our politicians, regardless of individual merrit, becoming more corrupt and ruthless than they ever were. Then we appoint new leaders, and kill off anyone who does a bad job. But how do we determine what constitutes doing a bad job? Ultimately, everyone has a different view on this, so it likely would boil down to "killing anyone we don't like." That's either totalitarianism, if one or a few people are doing it, or its civil war, if everyone's doing it to each other. I suppose you could do it by majority vote, but what about when someone decides holding a vote is "doing a bad job", and takes matters into their own hands?

In other words, this ranks among the stupidest posts I've ever read, unless it was intended as comedy, in which case it just wasn't that funny. And yeh, put it in the election thread. Awaiting locking in three, two, one...

Okay Okay, i know i was not expecting the honors society to post, but i was hoping for some intelligent answers for those who at least think about life. beyond the serial box "love America" slogo's. You receive no points for originality, but i think that if one person blindly feels this strongly, or if you all blindly thought that this was about race and gender, then i apologies for not making the obvious clearer. let me now clarify with one thing. not a correction, but deeper explanation: It is the voters who are making this about race and gender, and the many posts i received about that proved it. Obauma and Clinton, if you all actually paid attention to what is going on, are promising us nothing. it is the voters who made this about race and gender to such a degree that that is all their election has become.

for example: can you honestly tell me what Obauma plans to do with the wreckage that is America? He says make it better, but we are in a war that needs to end correctly, or we all face severe consequence. whenever he is asked about it, he says "ill resolve it, now lets talk about this small middle class issue..." never has he said what he will do. No one cares about race anymore, when was the last time a man was able to drop the N bomb in a public park without being asked to leave? in the south maybe, but that is an issue only they can detain through change of society. because all the freedom fighters and the like solved racial issues then, racism is killing itself.

As for Clinton, she has contradicted herself so much that her campaign was no longer worth listening to. So though she was for health care, she never omitted a resolve to make that happen that she had not already ruled out by something else she said.

I have nothing against race or gender, i merely have a prejudice against intelligence and the daft thinking of the mass populous we call the USA. Prejudice is something i only see as a thing between intelligence in this country. for instance people may say they hate black people because they "desecrate society" but then say they love Will Smith because he is a good actor. I have a hatred for any one who desecrates the hard work of intelligent individuals, weather they be white or black.

I said earlier that i know it is in the wrong place, but if it offended you so much as to only its location, why did you not relocate it?
exactly.
I say our country in the title because generally when we talk about bad things and change in a country we are generally speaking of the USA, and if you realized that i was speaking of the USA, there is nothing to be upset about.

America, and the world, we need change, we are not a great nation, we are stupid, cowardly, and in desperate need of reform. Do not post how upset you are over my threads (unless it is truly relevant), but instead speak of your own resolve. I think no ideas that have been thought out are stupid. but crying because you disagree can be said elsewhere. doing it here only proves my point. We need to become better people. Sure, killing them off is radical, but think of it this way: don't think of the good they did, but the bad. A saint could be kind and thoughtful to every one, but the second one kills in cold blood, what does that really say about that person. The good is used to cover for the bad, not redeem it. If we do not act with a strong justice, then we are doomed as a nation to fail. maybe my idea is too extreme, so how can we make it work, and also benefit our country. like i said, they are all in due to power and corruption. how to we remove the stain left on the constitution by these people, and find something new that works. By not doing this it is unconstitutional. maybe not my plan specifically, but it is our duty as Americans to remake the whole system if we come across times like we are facing now. our governments have done a damn fine job making the revolutionary unable to do this, so when the Government attacks its people for trying to fix our country, they are doing nothing more than going against everything our country once stood for.

I think our country needs to reverse the laws about university fees, keep the subsidies for solar power for home owners, should change its view on the EU car and CO2 rulings to give our car industry a chance to develop cleaner and less consumption cars, support the french presidency and try to get back the Irish, but also create something that really makes the EU a vision for its citizens.

Well, if the know that messing up = death, they will perform better.

Given the extent to which national prosperity is contingent upon global, super-national economics over which no state has control, surely to expect politicians to "perform better" is either deluded, or requires heavy circumscription of the free market?

I think our country needs to reverse the laws about university fees, keep the subsidies for solar power for home owners, should change its view on the EU car and CO2 rulings to give our car industry a chance to develop cleaner and less consumption cars, support the french presidency and try to get back the Irish, but also create something that really makes the EU a vision for its citizens.

Like a vision of an institution we've firmly told to fuck off, just as Mr. Major should have done in Maastricht?

We do, what the hell do you think public schools are for?

Bah. The two best politicians we've had since 1945 came from Grammar schools.

Okay Okay, i know i was not expecting the honors society to post, but i was hoping for some intelligent answers for those who at least think about life.

you expected serious responses from a post that advocates executing politicians?

you cant even be bothered to spell the candidates names right or keep up with the news that mrs clinton dropped out of the race last month.

why would anyone take you seriously?

What i think we should do is kill of our current politicians, then force people who are best fit into doing the job, weather they want to o it or not. if they suck, execute or fire them.

problem solved in my opinion, but what are your opinions NS users?

This is the worst idea ever posted on NSG. What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Like a vision of an institution we've firmly told to fuck off, just as Mr. Major should have done in Maastricht?

You did choose to misunderstand my sentence, didn't you? If you didn't choose, then please read it again, the word "really" is important.
If you did choose, you are trolling.

This is the worst idea ever posted on NSG. What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

If it was so blatantly obvious that, in your opinion, it was stupid, would it not be clear to the readers it was so? so you are not sure of its stupidity? you have to confirm it by telling your self it is stupid. think beyond the "what would uncle Sam say" and tell me "what would I say?"
Also, if every one who has read this has become "stupider" for reading this, wouldn't that mean your own persona was effected by it, making you the stupid one?

I cannot take mercy upon my own soul, and i need not your points for i hit the jackpot.

If it was so blatantly obvious that, in your opinion, it was stupid, would it not be clear to the readers it was so?
Oh but it is.
so you are not sure of its stupidity?
No, I am
you have to confirm it by telling your self it is stupid. think beyond the "what would uncle Sam say" and tell me "what would I say?"
Silly boy, I'm not American. I don't give a rat's ass what 'Uncle Sam' says. I think that killing all politicians and forcing people to run the country, killing them if they fail, is a terrible idea.
Also, if every one who has read this has become "stupider" for reading this, wouldn't that mean your own persona was effected by it, making you the stupid one?

I cannot take mercy upon my own soul, and i need not your points for i hit the jackpot.

It's a quote from a movie, don't read too deeply into it.

Oh but it is.

No, I am

Silly boy, I'm not American. I don't give a rat's ass what 'Uncle Sam' says. I think that killing all politicians and forcing people to run the country, killing them if they fail, is a terrible idea.

Well, i am happy that you say right out it is a bad idea, without all the obscenities. for i thought it was just a rage. but to prove further it is no rage, tell me why you think it is a bad idea.

I assume that if you are not American, then you are Canadian, possibly you live in England, but i will say that in all my travels around this globe, only in America did any one ever use the term "Rat's Ass". England has better ways to phrase that, America says that right out, and Canada is the hat of my terrible country, and they pick up some dirty words here and there. But I have heard it used in Australia, but that is not a real country anyway. If you are not American, then why would you care about me wanting to get rid of the Politicians of the US? In other countries it would be a bad idea, but not here. Here in America, it is just radical. And if you are not American why would you want god to have mercy on my soul? It is not the problems of other countries i am addressing, it is only the issues of my own country.
But, off subject, Why "rat's ass"? Did some one have a bestiality fetish when they coined that term? would that mean that the users of that term are into bestiality? I feel bad for the pets of the users of this term. I prefer to keep a clean tongue of such language for it makes one sound copious in their neurological imbalance. Besides the phrase "uncouth lout" sounds better.

without further adieu, what do you suggest we do?

Well, i am happy that you say right out it is a bad idea, without all the obscenities. for i thought it was just a rage. but to prove further it is no rage, tell me why you think it is a bad idea.
First, hundreds of people would die just because they're politicians. Second, hundreds more would die because they have no idea how to run a country. Third, the country would have few, if any, competent leaders. It would be a disaster.

I assume that if you are not American, then you are Canadian, possibly you live in England, but i will say that in all my travels around this globe, only in America did any one ever use the term "Rat's Ass". england has better ways to phrase that, America says that right out, and Canada is the hat of my terrible country.
I'm Irish.

without further adieu, what do you suggest we do?

I assume you mean ado. I suggest that you stop voting for people because they're the lesser of two evils and start voting for people that will actually improve the country. If there aren't any then run yourself.

I assume you mean ado. I suggest that you stop voting for people because they're the lesser of two evils and start voting for people that will actually improve the country. If there aren't any then run yourself.

First, you may be Irish but you live in America. i know this because you are not writing in Gaylic. but enough about your "supposed country" (they do not say 's Rat's ass in Ireland btw. its an Irish-American phrase. so immigrants and people of Irish decent use it here in English, and if you are not American, but living in America, then you are an "illegal immigrant?" i could care less. as far as i care, it is all land, we don't own it, we just live on it, and we should not have to sign papers to live on land.

adieu is french, it is correct, ado is just the way people who cannot spell french words (or use spell check) spell it. we are both right.

Sadly, Americans can not simply "run" They would not win. you need money and political support, and all the people who have that today are stupid or corrupt. it is like that with every one in our country right now. it is a scandal that is so cleverly part of US life that revealing it would do no good. they make the laws, thus they get away with it.

If you are not American then i would not expect you to know this, only Americans know this, but will not say it.

all of our politicians need to be killed. imprisonment will do nothing, they still live, thus control power. A government needs to fall before a new and better one takes its place.

let me clarify: that is my opinion, not the definite answer

First, you may be Irish but you live in America.
I've lived in Ireland all my life.
i know this because you are not writing in Gaylic.
It's Gaelic. And you betray your nature as a troll. Anyone who is knowledgeable enough to know what Irish is in Irish should know that almost everyone in Ireland speaks English. Go neiri an bothair leat.

adieu is french, it is correct, ado is just the way people who cannot spell french words (or use spell check) spell it. we are both right.

a·dieu /əˈdu, əˈdyu; Fr. aˈdyɶ/
–interjection
1. good-bye; farewell.
–noun
2. the act of leaving or departing; farewell. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adieu)

a·do /əˈdu/
–noun
busy activity; bustle; fuss (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ado)

"Ado" and "adieu" aren't the same word. Ifreann is right, you're using "adieu" incorrectly.

Okay Okay, i know i was not expecting the honors society to post, but i was hoping for some intelligent answers for those who at least think about life.

We were expecting an intelligent OP. Guess we're even.

My team's ahead, actually. but whatev.

This is the worst idea ever posted on NSG. What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

A simple wrong would've worked, you know.

I assume you mean ado.

I certainly wish he'd bid us adieu....

Hillery only want to be president because she is a woman, and Obauma because he is black.
I know their arguments, but that's what they break it down to.


No.

.....is fewer people telling us what we need.

A simple wrong would've worked, you know.

A little style never hurts.

A little style never hurts.

I'm pretty sure that was Billy's follow-up to that statement.

I'm pretty sure that was Billy's follow-up to that statement.

All I know of that movie is that quote :)

All I know of that movie is that quote :)

Probably for the best.

Okay, Okay, i have been keeping this up long enough.

I was hoping for intelligent answers to my original idea. i knew they were extreme, and i was bored and thought i would post the most far left idea possible. instead of the answers i craved, it appears as if every one on this forum is incapable of inteligent answers. the guy i was messing with a minute ago didn't even answer my main question. he just babelfished gaylick and pretended to be irish. didnt answer the question.

all too knit picky, and when i realized that all was lost on you all, i just started messing around... and you all took it seriously.

It did not start as a trolling, but ended as such because aparently it is the only way to talk to you.

my disappointments are endless, however you can all know that your stupidity is forever at length for those who posted around page 2.

you have two choices, continue the debate answering the question and not dicking around with the pointless details, or let it die, and death to such a thread at this point seems like the honorable thing to do.

you lost the game

if you wish to continue, let me end the flame wars and make this the question:

What should we do to bring an end to America's impending doom?

Okay, Okay, i have been keeping this up long enough.

I was hoping for intelligent answers to my original idea. i knew they were extreme, and i was bored and thought i would post the most far left idea possible. instead of the answers i craved, it appears as if every one on this forum is incapable of inteligent answers. the guy i was messing with a minute ago didn't even answer my main question. he just babelfished gaylick and pretended to be irish. didnt answer the question.

all too knit picky, and when i realized that all was lost on you all, i just started messing around... and you all took it seriously.

It did not start as a trolling, but ended as such because aparently it is the only way to talk to you.

my disappointments are endless, however you can all know that your stupidity is forever at length for those who posted around page 2.

you have two choices, continue the debate answering the question and not dicking around with the pointless details, or let it die, and death to such a thread at this point seems like the honorable thing to do.

you lost the game

Just out of curiosity, is English your native tongue? Do you suffer from any disabilities of the physical and/or mental variety?

This isn't an insult, I just need to know the answers so I can decide whether I can legitimately point out that your claims of our stupidity are embodied in a quagmire of linguistic genocide.

By the by, does anyone know if calling him stupid to discredit his argument of us being stupid falls under the category of Ad Homnim?

..is to understand that for thread purposes there are more countries in the world than the USA!! (fs)

By the by, does anyone know if calling him stupid to discredit his argument of us being stupid falls under the category of Ad Homnim?

Na, it would be Ad Hominem though ;)

and even then I don't think that anyone would mind.

didnt answer the question.

I ignored the question because you are a troll.

You seem to have forgotten disabled. Or do you consider one of those four to also encompass disability? ;)

Anyway, damn racist Americans. We'd let you be PM of our country, but can we be President of yours? No... we let you extradite our citizens, but do you let us extradite yours? No... We import parts of your culture, but do you import parts of ours? No... (The Beeb has to force it upon you instead). We also let you walk all over us in the name of that 'special relationship', but do you...

Tell that to my friend who is obsessed with Captain Jack Harkness.

Okay Okay, i know i was not expecting the honors society to post, but i was hoping for some intelligent answers for those who at least think about life. beyond the serial box "love America" slogo's. You receive no points for originality, but i think that if one person blindly feels this strongly, or if you all blindly thought that this was about race and gender, then i apologies for not making the obvious clearer. let me now clarify with one thing. not a correction, but deeper explanation: It is the voters who are making this about race and gender, and the many posts i received about that proved it. Obauma and Clinton, if you all actually paid attention to what is going on, are promising us nothing. it is the voters who made this about race and gender to such a degree that that is all their election has become.

for example: can you honestly tell me what Obauma plans to do with the wreckage that is America? He says make it better, but we are in a war that needs to end correctly, or we all face severe consequence. whenever he is asked about it, he says "ill resolve it, now lets talk about this small middle class issue..." never has he said what he will do. No one cares about race anymore, when was the last time a man was able to drop the N bomb in a public park without being asked to leave? in the south maybe, but that is an issue only they can detain through change of society. because all the freedom fighters and the like solved racial issues then, racism is killing itself.

As for Clinton, she has contradicted herself so much that her campaign was no longer worth listening to. So though she was for health care, she never omitted a resolve to make that happen that she had not already ruled out by something else she said.

I have nothing against race or gender, i merely have a prejudice against intelligence and the daft thinking of the mass populous we call the USA. Prejudice is something i only see as a thing between intelligence in this country. for instance people may say they hate black people because they "desecrate society" but then say they love Will Smith because he is a good actor. I have a hatred for any one who desecrates the hard work of intelligent individuals, weather they be white or black.

I said earlier that i know it is in the wrong place, but if it offended you so much as to only its location, why did you not relocate it?
exactly.
I say our country in the title because generally when we talk about bad things and change in a country we are generally speaking of the USA, and if you realized that i was speaking of the USA, there is nothing to be upset about.

America, and the world, we need change, we are not a great nation, we are stupid, cowardly, and in desperate need of reform. Do not post how upset you are over my threads (unless it is truly relevant), but instead speak of your own resolve. I think no ideas that have been thought out are stupid. but crying because you disagree can be said elsewhere. doing it here only proves my point. We need to become better people. Sure, killing them off is radical, but think of it this way: don't think of the good they did, but the bad. A saint could be kind and thoughtful to every one, but the second one kills in cold blood, what does that really say about that person. The good is used to cover for the bad, not redeem it. If we do not act with a strong justice, then we are doomed as a nation to fail. maybe my idea is too extreme, so how can we make it work, and also benefit our country. like i said, they are all in due to power and corruption. how to we remove the stain left on the constitution by these people, and find something new that works. By not doing this it is unconstitutional. maybe not my plan specifically, but it is our duty as Americans to remake the whole system if we come across times like we are facing now. our governments have done a damn fine job making the revolutionary unable to do this, so when the Government attacks its people for trying to fix our country, they are doing nothing more than going against everything our country once stood for.
Just me, or is this totally unintelligible gibberish? I can't tell what the hell his point is.

Okay, Okay, i have been keeping this up long enough.

I was hoping for intelligent answers to my original idea. i knew they were extreme, and i was bored and thought i would post the most far left idea possible. instead of the answers i craved, it appears as if every one on this forum is incapable of inteligent answers. the guy i was messing with a minute ago didn't even answer my main question. he just babelfished gaylick and pretended to be irish. didnt answer the question.

all too knit picky, and when i realized that all was lost on you all, i just started messing around... and you all took it seriously.

It did not start as a trolling, but ended as such because aparently it is the only way to talk to you.

my disappointments are endless, however you can all know that your stupidity is forever at length for those who posted around page 2.

you have two choices, continue the debate answering the question and not dicking around with the pointless details, or let it die, and death to such a thread at this point seems like the honorable thing to do.

you lost the game

Warned for trolling.

What should we do to bring an end to America's impending doom?
Push it out to sea and then put some weights on it, just to end the thing, and allow for a revival of the Canadian shipbuilding industry.

*nods*

You admit you were posting a far out thing, and you didn't expect far out answers? Buddy, this is the internet. Craziness is part of life.

If you tried to make a serious post and it got treated as nonsense, my sympathies. I know what thats like first hand. But I say count your blessings. More intelligent and serious sites have a lower tolerance for confusing posts with extreem, unsupported ideas. On a more serious-minded forum, you might well have received a permanent ban by now.