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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1815845,00.html

My first reaction: what.

My second reaction: Damn, that homeless guy is damn lucky.

"We found out one of the fathers is a 24-year-old homeless guy," the principal says, shaking his head.

Seriously, I don't understand this at all. I mean, I'm all for people doing whatever they'd like, including teenagers having sex. But purposefully trying to have a kid while in high school? WTF? And the excuse of
finally have[ing] someone to love them unconditionally
is terrible.

The article mentions that people blame movies like Juno and Knocked Up, but I don't think that's it. I think the problem lies with the acceptance that people have with teen pregnancy these days. Sure, I don't think that we should completely ostracize a person cause they made a mistake, but bending over backwards to help? Fuck that. This high school had a day care on-site, and they wonder why teens don't think it's a bad idea to have a kid?

Back when I was in high school, I knew of exactly one girl who was pregnant. My entire four years there, only one, and that was in senior year. No one said anything, no one made fun of her, no one made her feel bad about it, but we didn't go out of our way to help her just because she was pregnant. (Not to say we didn't help; she was terrible at math, but we didn't help because she was pregnant.)

What does NSG think, I wonder?

I'm willing to bet there were many, many more pregnancies that you didn't find out about. Many end in abortion, miscarriage, or the girl just leaving school quietly.

And, as the girls are under the age of 21, they are legally obligated to provide access to a free and adequite education through 12th grade unless the girls elect to leave at the age of 16 with parental concent or 18.

I knew a girl in middle school who was pregnant. But yeah, a high school having a on-site daycare center is outrageous.

It probably is because of the casualness that teen pregnancies are regarded with these days. *Sighs*

If they're going to have a day care, they must have an Abortion clinic to counter balance it.:p

Like the world doesn't have enough teen mothers already. This is a pretty absurd situation if you ask me. Looks like the school cafetaria has to add prophylactic drugs to their food in order to stop the girls of that school from breeding spawn.

This isn't new. I remember in 96 when I ripped my knee apart and being on bed rest watching Maury......they had "teens out of control" going on and on about how they were going to have a baby so someone would love them........I think they sent them all to boot camp.

This isn't new. I remember in 96 when I ripped my knee apart and being on bed rest watching Maury......they had "teens out of control" going on and on about how they were going to have a baby so someone would love them........I think they sent them all to boot camp.

The babies? :p

Why does everything have to have some deeper import? Why can't it be that a bunch of dumb, poor young girls collectively decided to make a foolish choice because they combine the unenviable characteristics of being dumb, poor, and foolish?

If I had to guess what happened beyond that, I'd say little more than what the girls said themselves: they live in a community with no hope for the future. So they took it upon themselves to make a hopeful future. Their means were. . . not exactly tinged with genius. When you're desperate, you do desperate things.

I didn't see anything about a daycare being on site in the article but whatever seeing as how my school actually did and it was kindof awesome helping out there when you got suspended from lessons (nobody got pregnant in my year iirc yay!)

anyway no this isn't about some kind of supportive jibba-jabba and for gods sakes you should help pregnant girls as much as you can in school seeing as how they need it

Ireland, 18, gave birth her freshman year and says some of her now pregnant schoolmates regularly approached her in the hall, remarking how lucky she was to have a baby. "They're so excited to finally have someone to love them unconditionally," Ireland says. "I try to explain it's hard to feel loved when an infant is screaming to be fed at 3 a.m.

sounds like normal behavior around new mums tbh I would be a tad horrified if they said "omg I bet you wished you had flushed it now"

SNIP

I was of the impression that it was one very smooth homeless man with some sort of miracle way to screw everything he sees

That is so retarded. If you want unconditional love get a damn puppy. Then of course the parents are like "ZOMG! YOU CAN'T GIVE OUR KIDS BIRTH CONTROL!!!" I say schools should be able to. Hell, us teenagers are gonna have sex, it is a fact of life. Then again, some of us are smarter then others.

I was of the impression that it was one very smooth homeless man with some sort of miracle way to screw everything he sees

He wasn't homeless; you'd be amazed what a bottle of Courvoisier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ladies-man-movie.jpg) can still get you these days.

He wasn't homeless; you'd be amazed what a bottle of Courvoisier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ladies-man-movie.jpg) can still get you these days.

I don't know myself I mean its like the perfect position to be in because what can they take? his box?

also everyone knows that to get a teenage girl pregnant all you need is to tell her that your an astronaut about to be blasted into space

Unless you're being raped, you're having sex "on purpose". Sheesh.

Unless you're being raped, you're having sex "on purpose". Sheesh.

considering these girls are in high school...

considering these girls are in high school...

Even in my day, girls were having sex when they were in high school...

Getting pregnant on purpose - that's something else.

No girls ever were pregnant at my high school, mainly because it was all boys. *nods*

Water is wet.

No girls ever were pregnant at my high school, mainly because it was all boys. *nods*

Not that they weren't having sex...

finally have[ing] someone to love them unconditionally
Some one get these retards a dog.

Some one get these retards a dog.

That's what Paris Hilton did. -nods-

Even in my day, girls were having sex when they were in high school...

ah but they are still a minors (I'm not sure sure with your crazy American school system) and so Mr smooth getting his smoothie stirred raises some eyebrows to say the least

No girls ever were pregnant at my high school, mainly because it was all boys. *nods*

I thought that wasn't enforced anymore? I had a friend at a girls school and the few guys that where there well you can imagine...

That's what Paris Hilton did. -nods-

its a good thing kids today have such good role models like Paris Hilton

I thought that wasn't enforced anymore? I had a friend at a girls school and the few guys that where there well you can imagine...

Catholic all boys. No exceptions. :p

Not that they weren't having sex...

They weren't because they didn't exist. :p

Catholic all boys. No exceptions. :p



They weren't because they didn't exist. :p

I think he was implying gay sex and/or sex with those from different schools. More a point about teens having sex than getting pregnant.

I knew a girl in middle school who was pregnant. But yeah, a high school having a on-site daycare center is outrageous.

More outrageous than any other alternative?

It probably is because of the casualness that teen pregnancies are regarded with these days. *Sighs*

It probably isn't. If these girls were raised by TV, movies and pop culture instead of parents, they grew up stunted and stupid and perfectly capable of making the kind of ass-headed pact they have been reported making. Time, like the rest of most media, are interested in shocking and scaring as many people as they can -- parents are especially vulnerable.

The babies? :p

LOL! *adopts R. Lee Ermey's voice*

IS THAT A PACIFIER I SEE IN YOUR MOUTH, PRIVATE? DO YOU WANT YOUR MOMMY? ARE YOU GOING TO CRY?!?

Why does everything have to have some deeper import? Why can't it be that a bunch of dumb, poor young girls collectively decided to make a foolish choice because they combine the unenviable characteristics of being dumb, poor, and foolish?

If I had to guess what happened beyond that, I'd say little more than what the girls said themselves: they live in a community with no hope for the future. So they took it upon themselves to make a hopeful future. Their means were. . . not exactly tinged with genius. When you're desperate, you do desperate things.

^This, in spades.

No circle jerks, no assplay, and no pedo priests?

I am sincerely offended by that.

No circle jerks, no assplay, and no pedo priests?

Well where's the fun in that?

Catholic all boys. No exceptions. :p



They weren't because they didn't exist. :p

No circle jerks, no assplay, and no pedo priests?

I quite dislike the common referral to teen pregnancy as a "mistake". Even Obama has said it. It's either:

A) Not a mistake, but a lack of foresight, or lustful blindness, or stupidity that made them think that unprotected sex wouldn't get them pregnant.

or

B) An actual condom/contraceptive/whatever else failure that did result in the succesful insemination of the female, in which case it is not a 'mistake" but an "accident" as it was not a human error or misjudgement.

This just in: Teens having sex on-purpose
first reaction to thread title: they thought teens were having sex accidentally?

"whoops, sorry, didn't mean to stick that there... "

More outrageous than any other alternative?

Birth control is outrageous?:confused:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1815845,00.html

My first reaction: what.

My second reaction: Damn, that homeless guy is damn lucky.



Seriously, I don't understand this at all. I mean, I'm all for people doing whatever they'd like, including teenagers having sex. But purposefully trying to have a kid while in high school? WTF? And the excuse of

is terrible.

The article mentions that people blame movies like Juno and Knocked Up, but I don't think that's it. I think the problem lies with the acceptance that people have with teen pregnancy these days. Sure, I don't think that we should completely ostracize a person cause they made a mistake, but bending over backwards to help? Fuck that. This high school had a day care on-site, and they wonder why teens don't think it's a bad idea to have a kid?

Back when I was in high school, I knew of exactly one girl who was pregnant. My entire four years there, only one, and that was in senior year. No one said anything, no one made fun of her, no one made her feel bad about it, but we didn't go out of our way to help her just because she was pregnant. (Not to say we didn't help; she was terrible at math, but we didn't help because she was pregnant.)

What does NSG think, I wonder?

I pity those babies, their mothers are inept. They have not finished their education which limits their ability to parent and maintain a career that'll cover the costs, they are single which means a lower family income (no husband working along with the wife to), these girls seem irresponsible, responsibility is a key trait every parent MUST have, teenagers are not mentally mature to have children in modern society, back in the early days when the what mattered was how many crops they harvested and how much meat they've slaughtered teenagers made more than fit parents yet today with all these economic needs one must consider before bringing a new life into the world one must be mentally mature, the human brain isn't mature enough to juggle payments and income, ect ect whilst raising a child until at least 20 years of age. They're just not ready, those children are going to suffer for their mothers' inadequacies. I admire their eagerness to contribute to human race yet if they were serious about making a contribution they would make sure the future[children] had a bright and secure future rather than just creating additions and disregarding all else. They really should have planned ahead.

That is so retarded. If you want unconditional love get a damn puppy. Then of course the parents are like "ZOMG! YOU CAN'T GIVE OUR KIDS BIRTH CONTROL!!!" I say schools should be able to. Hell, us teenagers are gonna have sex, it is a fact of life. Then again, some of us are smarter then others.

Given that the kids INTENDED to get pregnant and kept trying till they succeeded, methinks birth control is not REALLY a factor here.

...But yeah, a high school having a on-site daycare center is outrageous.

Umm.. my high school had one; well of sorts. It was more like Pre-K for kids of the students.

Also, blaming Juno and Knocked Up for the win? What's with that? There are tons more of movies about girls getting pregnant for the wrong reasons or accidently than just those two. The movie "Saved!" comes to mind. Heck an even episode of "Strangers with Candy" would have been apt.

what's that new reality series... the Baby Borrowers (http://www.nbc.com/The_Baby_Borrowers/)... me thinks these teens need a dose of reality on what raising a child really involves.

Umm.. my high school had one; well of sorts. It was more like Pre-K for kids of the students.

Also, blaming Juno and Knocked Up for the win? What's with that? There are tons more of movies about girls getting pregnant for the wrong reasons or accidently than just those two. The movie "Saved!" comes to mind. Heck an even episode of "Strangers with Candy" would have been apt.
People always look for a scapegoat. Movies are popular, therefore, they present a perfect target for people who don't want to blame stupidity/bad parenting/the nanny state/whatever is really causing this.

My second reaction: Damn, that homeless guy is damn lucky.





At 24. sounds like the art school drop out "I choose to be homeless to fight the system" guy.
More then likely he isn't really homeless as his college friends take turns letting him shower and sleep at their place. with maybe a few nights spent out in the woods high on X or acid. Either that or he has a Van down by the river.

People always look for a scapegoat. Movies are popular, therefore, they present a perfect target for people who don't want to blame stupidity/bad parenting/the nanny state/whatever is really causing this.

not just movies, but TV shows, books, magazines, peers, drugs, 'role models', everything BUT the parents are blamed.

yet the networks showing series like Swingtown (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/swingtown/) kinda help them by supplying the ammo they use.

our school has an on-school Day Care.
I think there are like 5 or 6 babies in it. Gosh, and the school only schools about 600 kids.

I know a chick in my math class who left cause she got pregnant. So it may be 7 babies soon...

On school day-cares arn't the problems. These dont encourage kids to stick things in places they shouldn't be at that time. The kids just think they are ready or something. Maybe for popularity? Iunno.

1. girl + guy
2. :fluffle:
3. :eek:
4 :D
5. :eek:
6 :D
7 :eek: :eek: :eek:
then pregnancy..hmm. an emote to resemble pregnancy.... :mp5:
8 (birth) :eek:

DO THEY think thay can handle that? Dumbies...

not just movies, but TV shows, books, magazines, peers, drugs, 'role models', everything BUT the parents are blamed.

yet the networks showing series like Swingtown (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/swingtown/) kinda help them by supplying the ammo they use.

It's not OUR fault, it's THEIR fault! They're popular, and the cause of all evil! Ban them, ban them, ban them! It's not our fauuuult! *Throws tantrum*:D

Speaking from near the site (Hamilton-Wenham, about a 20-minute drive south from there).

Both the nurse and the nearby pregnancy health clinic (where they ran the pregnancy tests) called for birth control to be available without parental consent. The mayor shot them down with this:

But the notion of a school handing out birth control pills has met with hostility. Says Mayor Carolyn Kirk: "Dr. Orr and Ms. Daly have no right to decide this for our children."

Both have since resigned, more than likely to be replaced by conservative abstinence-only crackpots.

in reference to these high school day cares...

Do they [the day care center] require the parents to attend their kids during recess, and lunch? Do they require the parent to pick up their child immediately [or close approximation] after school? Does it require the child travel with the mother and/or father on field trips/school outings?

just wondering.

I wonder if you were a 24 year old and several 14,15, and 16 year old girls kept coming around wanting sex would you go for it ???

Even though it can lead to jail time.

first reaction to thread title: they thought teens were having sex accidentally?

"whoops, sorry, didn't mean to stick that there... "

I originally thought that it was the media being the media by reporting the obvious, I was all pumped to bad mouth the media (again).

I wonder if you were a 24 year old and several 14,15, and 16 year old girls kept coming around wanting sex would you go for it ???

Even though it can lead to jail time.

nope, I would wait till they were 19 or legally an adult. reguardless of any Age of Consent.

that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

nope, I would wait till they were 19 or legally an adult. reguardless of any Age of Consent.

that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

lol I sense BS.

And yet the rate of teen pregnancies is still lower than it was in the past.

And yet the rate of teen pregnancies is still lower than it was in the past.

Pardon me for asking but it seems that I find this untrue. Would you be kind enough as to provide a source.

Pardon me for asking but it seems that I find this untrue. Would you be kind enough as to provide a source.

I think you will find that since abortion has been legal the rate has dropped significantly. Of course in reference to CthulhuFhtagn so what?

I watched a video at the US Department of Education addressing teen pregnancy.

In the United States, over half of the female population will be or will have been pregnant by age 20. However, those with miscarriages and those opting for abortions are tacked into this very disturbing estimate.

Personally, I don't believe in sex till marriage. But as it's the unpopular vote, we need to up the counciling departments at school, and provide more accurite education for sex, contraception, and support so these teens have other options.

Pardon me for asking but it seems that I find this untrue. Would you be kind enough as to provide a source.

Right here. (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf)

I'm still looking for rates from back in the '50s, but I'm pretty sure it was higher then as well.

Edit: Birthrate was higher. Haven't found anything on pregnancy rates yet, though. (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html)

In the third world there isnt much to do so people have sex. The unemployed dont spend time working and are more likely to have a babie. After the NY blackout there was a spike in babie numbers 9 months later.

Teens like any other age adult group will start having sex as soon as they see nothing else to do.

In the third world there isnt much to do so people have sex.

Is this fact? Or is the truth closer to "There are less people able or willing to be sure that the sex that happens is mutually wanted?"

In the third world there isnt much to do so people have sex. The unemployed dont spend time working and are more likely to have a babie. After the NY blackout there was a spike in babie numbers 9 months later.

Teens like any other age adult group will start having sex as soon as they see nothing else to do.

"how is babby made. how girl get pragnant."

And yet the rate of teen pregnancies is still lower than it was in the past.

In the past you were expected to drop dead at thirty, so you kind of had to have kids early on :p.

Wow. Getting pregnant during high school on purpose? Just when I thought I would never again be amazed at the stupidity of people.

And what is this crap about a kid "loving you unconditionally?" That is pure bullshit. I wonder how many times the average kid says "I hate you," to a parent. And how many of these kids, I wonder, will later resent their mothers for being such morons to ruin their chances of later providing a better place to raise a kid by getting knocked up during high school.

I had a discussion with my BF on the exact same topic yesterday... we'd been watching the news, and they reported that the number of teens aged between 14-19 aborting has increased by 4% in the last year (I think that was the number), while the number of pregnancies in the age group had gone down by 10%. A government official was quoted saying that figures regarding teen pregnancy had improved, but were still the worst in Europe, the only country in the developed world that had worse statistics in that age group apparently is the USA.

My BF said he found it unacceptable to call those numbrs "bad", as it wasn't a bad thing as such, having a baby, no matter what age.
I didn't agree, as I think that, yes, having a baby can be a good thing. But having a baby demanding your whole focus while you should be doing something else, like obtaining invaluable skills to help you later in life, is not exactly positive.
There are people dropping out of highschool to work, and while having work certainly isn't a bad thing, abandoning education at a too early stage certainly is.

I think it's a dilemma either way : If you help the girl that wants to keep the baby, you might in fact encourage others to have kids that otherwise maybe wouldn't.
If you don't help her, she might end up dropping out of school, and society might get stuck with another welfare case.

Personally, I'd try some sort of middle way : give her some help, but not too much. A creche in the school is definitely the wrong way to go.

Personally, I don't believe in sex till marriage.

How can you not believe in that? It's quite obviously happening all over the place. :confused:

In the grand scheme of things, I think I like the idea of a teenager having a baby. It kind of puts them off child-rearing when they realize what a pain in the ass it is, and this stops them from having another four kids when they get older.

That, and the fact that if you're dumb enough to intentionally get pregnant during high school you probably weren't going to do that well anyway. At least we're setting our next generation up for a lot of self-made go-getters that crawl their way up from the gutter.