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Aside from vehemently denying he's Muslim, or ever has been Muslim (to the point where he has to explain that "there's nothing wrong with being Muslim"), the true colors of the campaign appear to have come out.

Obama's campaign is, despite their apology, apparently very, very, very sensitive about being seen with, photographed with, associated with, or impugned to be Muslim.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html

So, they threw them under the bus. Also, it looks like he won't be visiting his relatives in Kenya any time soon - their comments that he was Muslim got them thrown under the bus as well.

If he actually believes that he's standing up for an ideal US where Muslims are equally respected (add to his list of other ethnicities and belief systems that he touts in the name of egalitarian diversity), why is he so eager to throw them under the bus?

If popular opinion is saying that being Muslim is wrong, why is he going along with popular opinion? I thought he was a man of principle and ideals...

How do you know Obama had anything to do with the campaigners decision?

Aside from vehemently denying he's Muslim, or ever has been Muslim (to the point where he has to explain that "there's nothing wrong with being Muslim"), the true colors of the campaign appear to have come out.

Obama's campaign is, despite their apology, apparently very, very, very sensitive about being seen with, photographed with, associated with, or impugned to be Muslim.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html

So, they threw them under the bus. Also, it looks like he won't be visiting his relatives in Kenya any time soon - their comments that he was Muslim got them thrown under the bus as well.

If he actually believes that he's standing up for an ideal US where Muslims are equally respected (add to his list of other ethnicities and belief systems that he touts in the name of egalitarian diversity), why is he so eager to throw them under the bus?

If popular opinion is saying that being Muslim is wrong, why is he going along with popular opinion? I thought he was a man of principle and ideals...

For him to implement his ideals, he must win the Election first. If that means winning the "hearts" and "minds" of the inbred morons that believe Islam is evil, so be it, the joke will later be on them.

Furthermore, the only reason he HAS to do that is because the opposition doesn't try to associate him with Islam, but with terrorism, by trusting the aforementioned inbred morons to mistake one for the other. The "terrorist fist jab" Fox News spouted is an example.

For him to implement his ideals, he must win the Election first. If that means winning the "hearts" and "minds" of the inbred morons that believe Islam is evil, so be it, the joke will later be on them.

Furthermore, the only reason he HAS to do that is because the opposition doesn't try to associate him with Islam, but with terrorism, by trusting the aforementioned inbred morons to mistake one for the other. The "terrorist fist jab" Fox News spouted is an example.

So, in order to implement his ideals, he has to lie, and throw his ideals and supporters under the bus....

One would imagine that Obama would have been different...

How do you know Obama had anything to do with the campaigners decision?

That's a rather lame out... (I didn't know what my staffers were doing).

First rule of leadership - you're responsible for whatever your underlings do, especially if it's being done in your presence (at a photo shoot where you're in the picture).

So, in order to implement his ideals, he has to lie, and throw his ideals and supporters under the bus....

One would imagine that Obama would have been different...

The only reason he has to do this is the fact that the right-wing pundits and morons have associated Islam with terror. Other morons decided to start rumors about Obama in that direction, in an underhanded tactic to scare voters. So, it's THEIR fault.

The only reason he has to do this is the fact that the right-wing pundits and morons have associated Islam with terror. So, it's THEIR fault.

I think if he thinks that shunning Muslims is wrong, then he should find his nutsack and put them in the photo with himself.

Throwing them under the bus shows that he is more afraid of what other people might think or say, and places more importance on that than on his ideals.

Obama apologized for the behavior of the volunteers

Obama apologized for the behavior of the volunteers

It's obvious that he knew it was already something they did - he was there at the photo shoot.

He's only apologizing after he was called out on it.

I would be surprised if from here to the election, any hijab-wearing women appear in photos with him.

He also explicitly threw his relatives in Kenya under the bus, after they said he was Muslim. I don't see him apologizing for that.

Latest rumor is that Obama has fathered two black children!

I think if he thinks that shunning Muslims is wrong, then he should find his nutsack and put them in the photo with himself.

Throwing them under the bus shows that he is more afraid of what other people might think or say, and places more importance on that than on his ideals.

He has to be elected President first. Plus, as I said, it's the Right's fault for trying to claim Obama is a terrorist and trying to associate Islam with terror.

He has to be elected President first. Plus, as I said, it's the Right's fault for trying to claim Obama is a terrorist and trying to associate Islam with terror.

So it wouldn't be the fault of all of those Islamic terrorists, now would it?

And the typical American who upon reading the headlines, might make up their own minds?

So, in your words, he has to lie first, and then become President...

I thought you were tired of lying for a cause, and having a lying President.

What is with this "throwing people under the bus" analogy? And who did he throw under the bus? Muslims? Who the article notes he's been photographed with multiple times?

Your argument makes no sense. To volunteers decided, for whatever reason, to ban these two women. Obama, and his campaign managers, dealt with it after being informed of the incident. They should remove or reprimand the volunteers as well but I can't see your issue.

And how would he know? In a crowded room full of people what anyone was doing. It's not like he was looking down and listening to them or anything. And what's this about family in Kenya? What are you on about there?

So it wouldn't be the fault of all of those Islamic terrorists, now would it?

And the typical American who upon reading the headlines, might make up their own minds?

So, in your words, he has to lie first, and then become President...

I thought you were tired of lying for a cause, and having a lying President.

1- TERROR is their fault. The association between Islam and terror is the fault of the morons who make it.

2- If he'll rid the world of Republicans in office, he can claim unicorns are real, for all I care.

3- Bush lied for a WAR. A war is not a cause.

What is with this "throwing people under the bus" analogy? And who did he throw under the bus? Muslims? Who the article notes he's been photographed with multiple times?

Your argument makes no sense. To volunteers decided, for whatever reason, to ban these two women. Obama, and his campaign managers, dealt with it after being informed of the incident. They should remove or reprimand the volunteers as well but I can't see your issue.

And how would he know? In a crowded room full of people what anyone was doing. It's not like he was looking down and listening to them or anything. And what's this about family in Kenya? What are you on about there?

The "bus" analogy is proof that DK ("Hotwife") is a rabid follower of Hannity, Rush, Larson, and like hive-minded neo-conservative scaremongers. How do I know this? On long drives in North Dakota, AM radio is sometimes the only signal my car's radio can get. I also listen when in town for just this kind of thing -- to be able to spot someone else regurgitating the neocons' talking points.

What is with this "throwing people under the bus" analogy? And who did he throw under the bus? Muslims? Who the article notes he's been photographed with multiple times?

Your argument makes no sense. To volunteers decided, for whatever reason, to ban these two women. Obama, and his campaign managers, dealt with it after being informed of the incident. They should remove or reprimand the volunteers as well but I can't see your issue.

And how would he know? In a crowded room full of people what anyone was doing. It's not like he was looking down and listening to them or anything. And what's this about family in Kenya? What are you on about there?

His family in Kenya stated last week that he was Muslim.

The campaign cut off all communications with the family, announced that they would not be visiting anymore, and denied he was a Muslim.

Try to keep up on the news, will you?

This is politics. You don't win elections by being honest, especially in USA.

Latest rumor is that Obama has fathered two black children!

The stuff I'm posting isn't rumor. It's fact. Please know the difference.

That's a rather lame out... (I didn't know what my staffers were doing).

First rule of leadership - you're responsible for whatever your underlings do, especially if it's being done in your presence (at a photo shoot where you're in the picture).

But that's what it is, Obama in this one circumstance did not have complete understanding between him and his campaigners, thus resulting in a little bit of a misunderstanding leading to this incident. Oh wow, what a sensation, this is really totally news worthy and not a trivial cock up that can happen to anyone!

Rather harsh, but I can't blame him. Anybody with half a brain knows that a Muslim has no chance of winning the election, and if he's associated in any way with Islam, it will only lower his chances.

The stuff I'm posting isn't rumor. It's fact. Please know the difference.

Okay, but that still doesn't explain his two black kids and his vagina.

How long was Obama in Kenya? Was it when he was a kid? If that's the case, wouldn't he have wanted to fit in? Does this not then become a similar issue to early adult drug use -- something with W and Clinton that has been proven to no longer matter?

Honestly, the whole "HE'S A MUSLIM!" jackassery is getting incredibly desperate and stale.

Okay, but that still doesn't explain his two black kids and his vagina.

I didn't post about his kids, lol.

How long was Obama in Kenya? Was it when he was a kid? If that's the case, wouldn't he have wanted to fit in? Does this not then become a similar issue to early adult drug use -- something with W and Clinton that has been proven to no longer matter?

Honestly, the whole "HE'S A MUSLIM!" jackassery is getting incredibly desperate and stale.

I'm not saying he was Muslim. His relatives are, to this day, insisting that he is.

It's not Rush saying it. It's not even me saying it. It's all of his relatives in Kenya.

In fact, they put it in a nice light. They say that even as a Muslim President, he will be good to the Jews.

I'm not saying he was Muslim. His relatives are, to this day, insisting that he is.

It's not Rush saying it. It's not even me saying it. It's all of his relatives in Kenya.

In fact, they put it in a nice light. They say that even as a Muslim President, he will be good to the Jews.

You know what? Much of my family would probably say I'm a Christian.

Doesn't make it true.

I didn't post about his kids, lol.

Since your all-powerful sourceless news reporting brain told me his family did something, I'd like to hear the news on his black kids and possible lady parts.

Why should I keep up with the news? I already know as much about the canidates as is important. Non of them are worth voting for. With the exception fo the former green canidate gone independent but even he's not really worth voting for though I m curious to see where he will go if elected.

But that's what it is, Obama in this one circumstance did not have complete understanding between him and his campaigners, thus resulting in a little bit of a misunderstanding leading to this incident. Oh wow, what a sensation, this is really totally news worthy and not a trivial cock up that can happen to anyone!

Let's put this in perspective, shall we?

It's a dictum of leadership that you are personally responsible for the actions and failings of your subordinates.

BUSH: I never ordered any torture
<long list of staffers> "torture the shit out of them, and it's legal"

Just a trivial cock up, and a misunderstanding of Bush's intent by his staffers, I suppose you would say? Or no?

Let's put this in perspective, shall we?

It's a dictum of leadership that you are personally responsible for the actions and failings of your subordinates.

BUSH: I never ordered any torture
<long list of staffers> "torture the shit out of them, and it's legal"

Just a trivial cock up, and a misunderstanding of Bush's intent by his staffers, I suppose you would say? Or no?

As soon as Bush discovered the incident, did he put a stop to it, reprimand (and legal action against, really, as torture is most certainly *not* legal) those responsible, or, hell, even admit to it?

I'm not saying he was Muslim. His relatives are, to this day, insisting that he is.

It's not Rush saying it. It's not even me saying it. It's all of his relatives in Kenya.

In fact, they put it in a nice light. They say that even as a Muslim President, he will be good to the Jews.

Tell me something.

What's the favorite color of your second cousin's daughter?

Indeed it does . But you see, that wouldn't have the widest most effective spread. See, this will get closed by Ardie as soon as she sees it and that will end the discussion, which works wonders for the smear, because these things tend not to stand up to investigation and attention, but they do have sticking power as accusations. [b]He only has to hammer away at it until it's locked and then refer to it as 'established' later on when he goes for his next smear. If it were in the proper thread people wouldn't see the headline every time they look at the front page, the claims would be and could be revisited and dismissed, only the really involved and not easily fooled would see it instead of the casual observer where it might germinate in the back of their minds. So while the rule is quite clear, and the thread stickied so that there can be no confusion, he makes it its own thread anyway knowing full well what he is doing.
His family in Kenya stated last week that he was Muslim.

The campaign cut off all communications with the family, announced that they would not be visiting anymore, and denied he was a Muslim.

Try to keep up on the news, will you?

The only thing I missed was Ardie didn't lock it, but then, she can't be everywhere.

Let's put this in perspective, shall we?

It's a dictum of leadership that you are personally responsible for the actions and failings of your subordinates.

BUSH: I never ordered any torture
<long list of staffers> "torture the shit out of them, and it's legal"

Just a trivial cock up, and a misunderstanding of Bush's intent by his staffers, I suppose you would say? Or no?

Come on, this is just grasping at straws, do you really, really think this little incident is enough of a reason to actually shed doubt on his leadership skills?

I'm not saying he was Muslim. His relatives are, to this day, insisting that he is.

It's not Rush saying it. It's not even me saying it. It's all of his relatives in Kenya.

In fact, they put it in a nice light. They say that even as a Muslim President, he will be good to the Jews.

Then why are you making such a fuss over it? My grandmother, rest her soul, would have told anyone who asked that I'm an Episcopalian, for that's how I was baptized. I can assure you that I'm not. So what?

Let's put this in perspective, shall we?

It's a dictum of leadership that you are personally responsible for the actions and failings of your subordinates.

BUSH: I never ordered any torture
<long list of staffers> "torture the shit out of them, and it's legal"

Just a trivial cock up, and a misunderstanding of Bush's intent by his staffers, I suppose you would say? Or no?

Let's put this in perspective, shall we?

TORTURE

Photo-op SNAFU

And I'd drive the point home better if posts accepted font 1024.

There's an analogy somewhere.
Well, there's a whole lot of them.
Which I don't really need to make, because it all comes back around to the fact that's it's really dumb to blame a superior for something that an underling does, unless direct instructions were given.
Bring me evidence that Obama sat down with these two volunteers, and said "okay, don't let anyone who looks Muslim sit behind me," and then we'll talk?
Because, yea, that would be pretty lame of him.

And, I mean, the family thing.
For one, you said it yourself, it was the campaign that cut ties with them?
Maybe Obama still calls them up at night, frustrated and tired.

Of course, maybe it was Obama himself that said he wanted to separate himself from his family.
Which could happen for a number of reasons.
Hell, his family may be a bunch of ignorant bigots, for all we know?
Maybe they're fighting and he doesn't want to talk with them?
Or, maybe he really did cut them off because he was afraid of the Muslim image.
Which would, once again, be lame.

You'd have to find out who set into motion the act of actually separating Obama's family from the campaign, and then determine the motives for doing so.

Now, you can say it's obvious why it was done, that you don't need to do any research.
That he's just "throwing people under the bus?"
You may be right, you may be wrong.
Regardless, you're making an ignorant statement.
And, gods below.
Don't we have enough of them as it is?

I guess I'll add an analogy for my original statement, even though it's quite extreme.
Some chick gets raped at a steel mill.
We should hold the manager accountable for her being raped?
And not the person that raped her?
= /

The stuff I'm posting isn't rumor. It's fact.
You have posted nothing that would convince you have any facts on your side. So far, it is just ASSERTION, by you alone, which does not even rise to the level of "rumor" (more than one person would have to be saying it for it to be a rumor).

There's an analogy somewhere.
Well, there's a whole lot of them.
Which I don't really need to make, because it all comes back around to the fact that's it's really dumb to blame a superior for something that an underling does, unless direct instructions were given.
Bring me evidence that Obama sat down with these two volunteers, and said "okay, don't let anyone who looks Muslim sit behind me," and then we'll talk?
Because, yea, that would be pretty lame of him.

And, I mean, the family thing.
For one, you said it yourself, it was the campaign that cut ties with them?
Maybe Obama still calls them up at night, frustrated and tired.

Of course, maybe it was Obama himself that said he wanted to separate himself from his family.
Which could happen for a number of reasons.
Hell, his family may be a bunch of ignorant bigots, for all we know?
Maybe they're fighting and he doesn't want to talk with them?
Or, maybe he really did cut them off because he was afraid of the Muslim image.
Which would, once again, be lame.

You'd have to find out who set into motion the act of actually separating Obama's family from the campaign, and then determine the motives for doing so.

Now, you can say it's obvious why it was done, that you don't need to do any research.
That he's just "throwing people under the bus?"
You may be right, you may be wrong.
Regardless, you're making an ignorant statement.
And, gods below.
Don't we have enough of them as it is?

I guess I'll add an analogy for my original statement, even though it's quite extreme.
Some chick gets raped at a steel mill.
We should hold the manager accountable for her being raped?
And not the person that raped her?

Beautifully crafted first post. Would you like to be my sidekick? :D

There's an analogy somewhere.
Well, there's a whole lot of them.
Which I don't really need to make, because it all comes back around to the fact that's it's really dumb to blame a superior for something that an underling does, unless direct instructions were given.
Bring me evidence that Obama sat down with these two volunteers, and said "okay, don't let anyone who looks Muslim sit behind me," and then we'll talk?
Because, yea, that would be pretty lame of him.

And, I mean, the family thing.
For one, you said it yourself, it was the campaign that cut ties with them?
Maybe Obama still calls them up at night, frustrated and tired.

Of course, maybe it was Obama himself that said he wanted to separate himself from his family.
Which could happen for a number of reasons.
Hell, his family may be a bunch of ignorant bigots, for all we know?
Maybe they're fighting and he doesn't want to talk with them?
Or, maybe he really did cut them off because he was afraid of the Muslim image.
Which would, once again, be lame.

You'd have to find out who set into motion the act of actually separating Obama's family from the campaign, and then determine the motives for doing so.

Now, you can say it's obvious why it was done, that you don't need to do any research.
That he's just "throwing people under the bus?"
You may be right, you may be wrong.
Regardless, you're making an ignorant statement.
And, gods below.
Don't we have enough of them as it is?

I guess I'll add an analogy for my original statement, even though it's quite extreme.
Some chick gets raped at a steel mill.
We should hold the manager accountable for her being raped?
And not the person that raped her?
= /

We have a winner! First Post of the Year candidate. Well said.

Since your all-powerful sourceless news reporting brain told me his family did something, I'd like to hear the news on his black kids and possible lady parts.

I still want an answer on this.

Then why are you making such a fuss over it? My grandmother, rest her soul, would have told anyone who asked that I'm an Episcopalian, for that's how I was baptized. I can assure you that I'm not. So what?

It's one thing if you're posting here - it's another thing if you're being elected to the Presidency.

I think he's lying - and I think it's because he's sensitive over the whole Islam thing.

I would have more respect for him if he wasn't denying it, and had Muslims in his photos, and was saying, "yes, in my youth I was, and many of my family members were". He can even say he became Christian later.

But the flat denials going back to the beginning of time, contradicted by many people in Kenya, along with his campaign's sensitivity about being photographed with Muslims makes it seem that he's lying hard.

You lose, because I had links in the OP.

His family in Kenya stated last week that he was Muslim.

The campaign cut off all communications with the family, announced that they would not be visiting anymore, and denied he was a Muslim.

Try to keep up on the news, will you?

Sourceless.

You have posted nothing that would convince you have any facts on your side. So far, it is just ASSERTION, by you alone, which does not even rise to the level of "rumor" (more than one person would have to be saying it for it to be a rumor).

You lose, because I had links in the OP.

It's one thing if you're posting here - it's another thing if you're being elected to the Presidency.

I think he's lying - and I think it's because he's sensitive over the whole Islam thing.

I would have more respect for him if he wasn't denying it, and had Muslims in his photos, and was saying, "yes, in my youth I was, and many of my family members were". He can even say he became Christian later.

But the flat denials going back to the beginning of time, contradicted by many people in Kenya, along with his campaign's sensitivity about being photographed with Muslims makes it seem that he's lying hard.

It's one thing if you're posting here - it's another thing if you're claiming things about someone's Presidential qualifications.

Your own posts admit that it's all conjecture on your part designed to make your vitriol seem reasonable. It isn't. We see it for what it is. Tripe.

But the flat denials going back to the beginning of time, contradicted by many people in Kenya, along with his campaign's sensitivity about being photographed with Muslims makes it seem that he's lying hard.

Do you know the favorite color of your second cousin's daughter?

He has to be elected President first. Plus, as I said, it's the Right's fault for trying to claim Obama is a terrorist and trying to associate Islam with terror.
Yes, yes, and it's the right who have caused global warming, stopped world peace, started WW1 and WW2, blew up the sun, and are the cause of all evil in this world, right?:rolleyes:
This is politics. You don't win elections by being honest, especially in USA.
The truth^

Will not get you elected.:(

Do you know the favorite color of your second cousin's daughter?

Blue, why do you ask? :p

It's one thing if you're posting here - it's another thing if you're claiming things about someone's Presidential qualifications.

Your own posts admit that it's all conjecture on your part designed to make your vitriol seem reasonable. It isn't. We see it for what it is. Tripe.

It's pretty clear to me he's lying through his teeth to get elected.

Heikoku even said that's a valid strategy, so it would appear to be true from Heikoku's point of view.

Lying about your past isn't a good sign.

It's pretty clear to me he's lying through his teeth to get elected.

Heikoku even said that's a valid strategy, so it would appear to be true from Heikoku's point of view.

Lying about your past isn't a good sign.

I didn't say he was lying about his past. Nor did I say it's a valid tactic. I said he was dissociating himself from Islam.

Also, I repeat my question: DO YOU KNOW THE FAVORITE COLOR OF YOUR SECOND COUSIN'S DAUGHTER?

Blue, why do you ask? :p

I'm asking HW...

My point would be that family members don't know much about each other unless it's immediate family. And that in the same CITY, let alone miles apart, without much communication.

I didn't say he was lying about his past. Nor did I say it's a valid tactic. I said he was dissociating himself from Islam.

Also, I repeat my question: DO YOU KNOW THE FAVORITE COLOR OF YOUR SECOND COUSIN'S DAUGHTER?

Logically, that's not a relevant question. Everyone in the Kenyan family knows family history. Especially his half-brother, who said he was Muslim and would be good to the Jews.

And color preference isn't something as obvious as religious upbringing.

And color preference isn't something as obvious as religious upbringing.

You're assuming that religious upbringing is indicative of religious beliefs?
Even when he was a kid.
Something about...
being officially a member of a religion doesn't always mean you believe in the religion?
I'm officially a Methodist.
And have been for years.
And I think it's all just a really elaborate fairy-tale, and am by no means a Methodist.
Granted, we'd have to find out what he meant when he said "I was never a Muslim."
Which would be tricky.

It's pretty clear to me he's lying through his teeth to get elected.

Heikoku even said that's a valid strategy, so it would appear to be true from Heikoku's point of view.

Lying about your past isn't a good sign.

It isn't? Name one politician who hasn't.

Hell, McCain has shredded those testifying to keep POW searches active, for cryin' out loud, and he WAS one! It might not be lying, but it's certainly being stunningly full of shit, and if we can tolerate that in a politician and even accord him deference and respect in spite of it, where is the big deal in trying to clear up and set the record straight about a past that your opponents are trying to distort in order to discredit you?

Seriously, do you even read your own posts?

Logically, that's not a relevant question. Everyone in the Kenyan family knows family history. Especially his half-brother, who said he was Muslim and would be good to the Jews.

And color preference isn't something as obvious as religious upbringing.

Prove to me that they know. Over miles and miles apart, without that frequent a communication, and so on.

Everyone in the Kenyan family knows family history.

What a leap.

Ask his relatives.

My parents would have said I was Methodist when I was 8.
Which would have been a lie.

You're assuming that religious upbringing is indicative of religious beliefs?
Even when he was a kid.

Ask his relatives.

I don't have to prove it.

But you're trying to.

And I'm sure you would admit that if you were running for President.

Either that, or you would use the "valid tactic" of lying, and think of something else.
What does this post even mean?
This is a worthless statement that has no bearing on anything.
You're making an assumption, yet again.

Prove to me that they know. Over miles and miles apart, without that frequent a communication, and so on.

I don't have to prove it.

Obama denies ever having any Muslim upbringing at all, even though as a child he attended a madrassa for a while. Sounds like Muslim upbringing.

His Kenyan relatives have no motive to lie.

Why should he deny it? Why should be lie about it?

Because it's a "valid tactic"?

If it's a valid tactic for Obama, would you permit all the other candidates to lie through their teeth as a "valid tactic"?

Ask his relatives.

If people ask my relatives, I'm sure they'll say I'm a Catholic.

Occultist. For about 12 years now.

If people ask my relatives, I'm sure they'll say I'm a Catholic.

Occultist. For about 12 years now.

And I'm sure you would admit that if you were running for President.

Either that, or you would use the "valid tactic" of lying, and think of something else.

Apparently not, with the madrassa records and his relatives in Kenya.

Gods below, the facts are in his head.
There's no way any living human being can say what the beliefs of another human being are.
Because we can't read minds.

I don't have to prove it.

Obama denies ever having any Muslim upbringing at all, even though as a child he attended a madrassa for a while. Sounds like Muslim upbringing.

His Kenyan relatives have no motive to lie.

Why should he deny it? Why should be lie about it?

Because it's a "valid tactic"?

If it's a valid tactic for Obama, would you permit all the other candidates to lie through their teeth as a "valid tactic"?

Again, I didn't claim lying about his past, which he didn't, was a valid tactic. He denies it because the facts are on his side.

Again, I didn't claim lying about his past, which he didn't, was a valid tactic. He denies it because the facts are on his side.

Apparently not, with the madrassa records and his relatives in Kenya.

And I'm sure you would admit that if you were running for President.

Either that, or you would use the "valid tactic" of lying, and think of something else.

If I wanted to become President so I could rescue my country and the world from more war? I'd keep my belief system to myself.

I wonder how my response posts keep ending up behind the posts I'm responding to?

I wonder how my response posts keep ending up behind the posts I'm responding to?

Jolt's a bit off sometimes and timewarps people's posts. Nothing to worry about. Unless it is....

Records just indicate that his parents placed him in a Muslim setting?
Not that he was personally a Muslim?

Apparently not, with the madrassa records and his relatives in Kenya.

The relatives in Kenya mean nothing.

The records, linky.

I wonder how my response posts keep ending up behind the posts I'm responding to?

Oh, that's a feature here. You see, NSG has a time travel feature. ;)

Not really, it's just some weird lag.

The relatives in Kenya mean nothing.

The records, linky.

Obama says that "during the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school." That's from his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

It's in his own words.

Obama says that "during the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school." That's from his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

It's in his own words.

So, a predominantly Muslim school is a "madrassa" now?

OH MY GOD, I WAS SCHOOLED IN A CHURCH/SYNAGOGUE! :eek:

:rolleyes:

"Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion)."

Any type of school?

"The word madrasah literally means "school" and does not imply a political or religious affiliation, radical or otherwise. In post 9/11 United States political contexts, however, the word has often been used to define Islamic schools - especially in the negative context of anti-Americanism and radical extremism."

Oh my.
That's fun, isn't it?

"Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion)."

Any type of school?

Shhhh! You're fucking up his equivocation. How can he properly scaremonger if you point out the obvious?

Either that, or you would use the "valid tactic" of lying, and think of something else.

Do you honestly believe that all of the other candicates are not lying?

Mind you, I don't give a damn about these elections personally.

So what if he had a muslim background? So what if he denies it? What does it have to do with the elections outside trying to hurt his image in the eyes of jackasses who think that muslim/islamist = terrorist?

All politicians lie, especially during elections. You know they're lying when their mouth moves.

"Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion)."

Any type of school?

OH NO! WE'RE ALL BEING TAUGHT IN MADRASSAS!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

:D

I think if he thinks that shunning Muslims is wrong, then he should find his nutsack and put them in the photo with himself.

Throwing them under the bus shows that he is more afraid of what other people might think or say, and places more importance on that than on his ideals.

I have the strange feeling that you would be one of those people who, if the Muslims HAD sat behind him in the picture, would currently be screaming "OMFG! Obama lets terrorists into his rallies!"

Epic phail for you troll.

I have the strange feeling that you would be one of those people who, if the Muslims HAD sat behind him in the picture, would currently be screaming "OMFG! Obama lets terrorists into his rallies!"

Epic phail for you troll.

Got it in one.

I have the strange feeling that you would be one of those people who, if the Muslims HAD sat behind him in the picture, would currently be screaming "OMFG! Obama lets terrorists into his rallies!"

Epic phail for you troll.

Exactly. It's as if DK is implying that Obama would be given a complete pass by his ilk if he hadn't tried to dissociate himself from his tangential Muslim past. How's that worked before with Rev. Wright or Mr. Ayers? Uh-huh.

Epic phail, in spades.

One last thing. This situation reminds me of an American colloquialism.

Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't.

Do you honestly believe that all of the other candicates are not lying?

He claims he's not lying, because he's "not like the others". He claims that this makes him the candidate for "change".

If lying is a "valid tactic" then it isn't any change at all.

He claims he's not lying, because he's "not like the others". He claims that this makes him the candidate for "change".

If lying is a "valid tactic" then it isn't any change at all.

Exactly.

Obama says that "during the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school." That's from his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

It's in his own words.
Ruuuuunnnn!!! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!!

THE END IS NIGH! AN INTERNET TROLL HAS DECLARED IT!!!

I wonder how my response posts keep ending up behind the posts I'm responding to?Several servers feed into Jolt, and their clocks tend to drift apart. Jolt merges all the submissions and sorts them by the time-stamps, which are often delightfully inconsistent.

I'd rather that a crowd of anti-Islamic morons were complaining that Obama associates with Muslims than the same crowd pointing out that he is trying to distance himself from Islam.

You lose, because I had links in the OP.

Your links do not in any way support your assertions, which do not even rise to the level of "rumor".

OP's opening comments indicate that you critcize Obama for denying he's a Muslim, implying that you believe he is one, and then criticize him for not treating muslims fairly. This is why the GOP will fail: they don't even have a coherent attack, anymore than Clinton did. Nothing sticks to Obama, so they've been reduce to flinging every random clod of dirt they can get their grubby little hands on.

Secondly, if your trying to insinuate something about his character from his refusal to visit his family (prove its anything more than right wing gossip), well, I'd say its perfectly normal to avoid distant relatives who slander you in public.

Thirdly, this should probably have gone in the election thread. Based on past experience, I fully expect a moderator to lock this shortly. Serves you right.



And finally, I wouldn't give a hoot weather Obama was a Muslim, Christian, Atheist, or anything else, as long as he respected the sepparation of Church and State, something the GOP's devout Christians have been unable to achieve.

Constitution? What Constitution?

Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't.

Does this have something to do with abstinence-only education? ;)

Why should I keep up with the news?

This is a priceless quote that conveys how most Obama cultists feel. They are an emotional bunch who will not allow mere reality and reason to hinder their attacks on Hotwife for pointing out that Obama's own family claims he was/is a Muslim (a fact that is proven because the family keeps saying it) and the fact that Hotwife had the audacity to question the morals of a man who finds it convenient to cut off members of his own family when he finds them a liability.

Could not Obama just say he went to school at a Muslim school and was a member of a Muslim family? I think his 20 years in a Christian church, even one as racist and anti-American as Trinity, is proof that the man is a true believer in Christ.

It is plain to see that the "Fight the Smears" crowd is in force in this forum and will not allow St. Obama to be talked about in any capacity outside of open worship. Considering the posts I had read I see that Obama's followers have no moral compass ("okay to lie and be President if you are going to wipe out the Republicans) and possess no capacity for critical analysis.

Thank you Hotwife!

He claims he's not lying, because he's "not like the others". He claims that this makes him the candidate for "change".

If lying is a "valid tactic" then it isn't any change at all.

Fine -- then make THAT your point. Otherwise, you have no point.

This is a priceless quote that conveys how most Obama cultists feel…

Stay away from the Kool-Aid come November, that's all I'll say.

I'm not saying he was Muslim. His relatives are, to this day, insisting that he is.

It's not Rush saying it. It's not even me saying it. It's all of his relatives in Kenya.

In fact, they put it in a nice light. They say that even as a Muslim President, he will be good to the Jews.

Source?

The last source you put up that said anything remotely like this is one in which his brother said that he "had a Muslim background", not that he was, himself, Muslim.

I'd also like a source on him "throwing his family under the bus."

Logically, that's not a relevant question. Everyone in the Kenyan family knows family history. Especially his half-brother, who said he was Muslim and would be good to the Jews.

You're lying again. The actual words of his half-brother exposes you. (http://a.media.abcnews.com/podcasts/080618_israelie_army_audio.mp3)

That's a podcast of the interview. That's only the answers, and not the questions. However, the closest you'll get is:

I don’t think that’s in any way going to be something to worry about. I myself am not speaking for him. But we are here, we love people in general. People love us. I myself love people who love me. You know, so, and I think it’s mutual. I can’t go in terms of Israel and Kenya and America, and so forth, you know, but based on what else I’ve heard him say and what I know of him as an individual, I don’t think Israel should worry too much, you know, about the connection. Because, I am a Muslim myself, and I don’t think that my being a Muslim has got anything to do with my brother being the President of the United States.

But yeah. Lies, slander and smears are just business as usual.

The stuff I'm posting isn't rumor. It's fact. Please know the difference.

Actually, what you post is trolling nonsense.

This is a priceless quote that conveys how most Obama cultists feel.

You can't generalise the opinions of one person to a group of millions, not matter how much you want to, especially not when that person does not even belong to the group you're trying to generalise his opinions to.

I think he's lying - and I think it's because he's sensitive over the whole Islam thing.

And he's been lying and supposedly sensitive about it since well before he got into politics?

He refers to his essentially agnostic upbringing in Dreams From My Father - written before he became involved in political life and well before 9/11.

I would have more respect for him if he wasn't denying it, and had Muslims in his photos, and was saying, "yes, in my youth I was, and many of my family members were". He can even say he became Christian later.

So you would have more respect for him if he made up a different history that you would like better? In other words, you would prefer him to lie?

But the flat denials going back to the beginning of time, contradicted by many people in Kenya, along with his campaign's sensitivity about being photographed with Muslims makes it seem that he's lying hard.

How would the people in Kenya know what religion he did and did not ascribe to in his youth? They never even met him until he was an adult.

Exactly. It's as if DK is implying that Obama would be given a complete pass by his ilk if he hadn't tried to dissociate himself from his tangential Muslim past. How's that worked before with Rev. Wright or Mr. Ayers? Uh-huh.

Epic phail, in spades.

How does it work to be proven liar?

Ayers is a terrorist? Fact.

Wright is a hateful racist who hangs with anti-Semites? Fact.

Obama's family claims one of their family members was raised a Muslim? Fact.

Calling someone a troll or attacking the messenger for stating fact is stupidity itself. It is Obama supporters of your stripe who will be the downfall of Obama.

Ask yourself how your candidate is going to bring Hopeandchange to our country when he is willing to denounce his preacher and confidant of 20 years and family members for political reasons.

What is really funny is this quote: "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother who helped raise me." Since that speech he has disowned both Wright and some family members. Truly inspiring!

Obama denies ever having any Muslim upbringing at all, even though as a child he attended a madrassa for a while. Sounds like Muslim upbringing.

(a) It was an Indonesian public school that was, as most things are in Indonesia, Muslim. Most private schools in the US are Christian. Does that mean that every person who has attended such a school is Christian as well? Or that they were while attending the school? My atheist husband might be surprised to hear that.

(b)He also attended a Catholic school for a while. Does that mean he is secretly Catholic?

His Kenyan relatives have no motive to lie.

His Kenyan relatives didn't even meet him until he was an adult. If they were commenting on how he was raised (and you haven't given any evidence that they were), they are not exactly the best source for that information.

Why should he deny it? Why should be lie about it?

Maybe if you didn't assume that he was lying....

Snip.

You're wrong.

See? Simple as that.

Obama says that "during the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school." That's from his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

It's in his own words.

So he's both secretly Catholic and secretly Muslim?

I went to a Baptist College. Does that make me Baptist? Does it mean I was Baptist at the time?

My husband went to a Christian high school, does that mean he isn't (and wasn't) an atheist?


"The word madrasah literally means "school" and does not imply a political or religious affiliation, radical or otherwise. In post 9/11 United States political contexts, however, the word has often been used to define Islamic schools - especially in the negative context of anti-Americanism and radical extremism."

Oh my.
That's fun, isn't it?

Interesting. I didn't know that. I've always heard it used to refer to schools teaching extremist versions of Islam.

Interesting. I didn't know that. I've always heard it used to refer to schools teaching extremist versions of Islam.
And we always hear he word 'sharia' refer to extremist hardline Islamic law. Part of the parcel of convincing a large populace they face an threat of inhuman beasts.

Obama's own family claims he was/is a Muslim (a fact that is proven because the family keeps saying it)
No-one has shown me anyone from the family saying that even once.

No-one has shown me anyone from the family saying that even once.

What, you want supporting evidence? You're supposed to just accept as a given that it has been "proven" already, that way we can skip the debate and get back to what's most important; recognizing that Obama is a terrorist muslim communist who, if not stopped soon, will destroy America!

You're wrong.

See? Simple as that.
Ah. He's wrong because you SAID he's wrong. Thank you for pointing this out. For you must be the Lord Almighty in order to make a mere opinon truth, with no proof of any kind, other then thy holy word! *Worships*:rolleyes:
Fine -- then make THAT your point. Otherwise, you have no point.
So you're admitting that Obama is just like every other politician and isn't really about 'change'?

Ah. He's wrong because you SAID he's wrong. Thank you for pointing this out. For you must be the Lord Almighty in order to make a mere opinon truth, with no proof of any kind, other then thy holy word! *Worships*:rolleyes:

Well, no.

He's wrong because he's tried to make these same claims in other threads, over and over and over again, only to be thoroughly humiliated in each and every opportunity in which this happened.

But thanks for taking the bait, I was hoping he (or someone) would: I needed a set-up for the remark I had prepared, and you just provided it.

Well, no.

He's wrong because he's tried to make these same claims in other threads, over and over and over again, only to be thoroughly humiliated in each and every opportunity in which this happened.

But thanks for taking the bait, I was hoping he (or someone) would: I needed a set-up for the remark I had prepared, and you just provided it.

Mind to post where he was proved wrong?

Mind to post where he was proved wrong?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558818

Most recent one.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558818

Most recent one.

Not seeing it. All I see is a bunch of NSGers doing one of the following:

1. Talking about how not to get a site hacked into.

2. Asking why does it matter that Obama has a Muslim background
and
3. Yelling about how the republicans are Neo-Nazis trying to oppress the voices that go against them.

Funny Kimchi should be lecturing us all on Obama's supposed "hypocrisy", nevermind the fact that again this was nothing directly planned or supervised by Obama.

Considering that Kimchi has explicitly made it clear his/their views are that Islam is an intolerant, violent religion incompatible with "Western Values" and that each and every Muslim ought to be interned, deported, sterilized and executed... why is it that he wasn't cheering the part about the two volunteers barring the Muslims? If anything I'd have expected Kimchi to cry foul at Obama apologizing to teh ebil mozlemz and caving in to Teh Caliphate™.

Spewing the same old "Obama attended a madrassa" spooking point when it's been proven over and over again to have been a predominantly Muslim-attended public school. In Kimchi's world, if any given school has enough Muslim students, it's automatically considered a franchise of Al'Qaeda University.

Honestly, the way Kimchi rants about Muslims like they were a Tyrannid Hive Fleet I almost get the impression he might be Charles Johnson.

He also explicitly threw his relatives in Kenya under the bus, after they said he was Muslim. I don't see him apologizing for that.


Why not jump under the Bus and ask them how they're feeling...?

Not seeing it. All I see is a bunch of NSGers doing one of the following:

1. Talking about how not to get a site hacked into.

2. Asking why does it matter that Obama has a Muslim background
and
3. Yelling about how the republicans are Neo-Nazis trying to oppress the voices that go against them.

1- Along with gloating that it did.

2- Not only he doesn't, but why would it?

3- And TSF claiming the Left likes Bolshevism. So, yeah.

Also, did TSF support any of his claims in that thread?

1- Along with gloating that it did.

2- Not only he doesn't, but why would it?

3- And TSF claiming the Left likes Bolshevism. So, yeah.

Also, did TSF support any of his claims in that thread?

1. Yeah.

2. Where is your proof that he wasn't raised Muslim? The only reason it matters, is because he claims he's for change, yet he goes and does what every politicion does: Lies.

3. I'll admit TSF is rarely right (Right as in correct), but neither of you backed up your answers. You were both at fault, and right now, TSF has made several good points you have refused/ failed to address.

1. Yeah.

2. Where is your proof that he wasn't raised Muslim? The only reason it matters, is because he claims he's for change, yet he goes and does what every politicion does: Lies.

3. I'll admit TSF is rarely right (Right as in correct), but neither of you backed up your answers. You were both at fault, and right now, TSF has made several good points you have refused/ failed to address.

The only people who harp on Obama's supposed Muslim upbringing are people who either want voters to believe he's Osama Bin Ladin's personal Manchurian Candidate or they actually believe he's Bin Ladin's personal Manchurian Candidate.

You're wrong.

See? Simple as that.

Yes. You really are that simple. Good show!

1. Yeah.

2. Where is your proof that he wasn't raised Muslim? The only reason it matters, is because he claims he's for change, yet he goes and does what every politicion does: Lies.

3. I'll admit TSF is rarely right (Right as in correct), but neither of you backed up your answers. You were both at fault, and right now, TSF has made several good points you have refused/ failed to address.

1- HELL YEAH!!! (Gimme five. Or a terrorist fist jab, whatever.) :p

2- Come on, now: We both know negatives can't be proven. And people failed to prove that he WAS raised a Muslim.

3- He lacks in points because of the sheer lack of logic in the way by which he tries to tie Obama to Wright and, worse yet, to Ayers. It doesn't work like that.

The only people who harp on Obama's supposed Muslim upbringing are people who either want voters to believe he's Osama Bin Ladin's personal Manchurian Candidate or they actually believe he's Bin Ladin's personal Manchurian Candidate.
But that's not *MY* problem. My problem is that he's hiding it yet still campaigning for change.
1- HELL YEAH!!! (Gimme five. Or a terrorist fist jab, whatever.) :p

2- Come on, now: We both know negatives can't be proven. And people failed to prove that he WAS raised a Muslim.

3- He lacks in points because of the sheer lack of logic in the way by which he tries to tie Obama to Wright and, worse yet, to Ayers. It doesn't work like that.
You have a point. But it is suspicious. He's cutting off contact, preventing himself from being seen with Muslims... He knows that many people still say "OMG! TEH EBIL MUSLIMS!1!!11" and he's trying to hide that. HOWEVER, he still is basing his campaign on 'change' and THAT'S what bugs me. He's the same as any other politician, if he'd just drop one or the other, I'd be fine with him. Well, other then the fact he's just another Neo-Liberal/Hillary lite.

Yes. You really are that simple. Good show!

You see, you so far failed to prove a single one of your assertions, poor thing...

But that's not *MY* problem. My problem is that he's hiding it yet still campaigning for change.

You have a point. But it is suspicious. He's cutting off contact, preventing himself from being seen with Muslims... He knows that many people still say "OMG! TEH EBIL MUSLIMS!1!!11" and he's trying to hide that. HOWEVER, he still is basing his campaign on 'change' and THAT'S what bugs me. He's the same as any other politician, if he'd just drop one or the other, I'd be fine with him. Well, other then the fact he's just another Neo-Liberal/Hillary lite.

The problem is we're assuming here that HE ordered his aides to exclude the ladies, that he cut off contact with his family for THAT reason, and so on and so forth.

You see, you so far failed to prove a single one of your assertions, poor thing...

Never have I seen truth and fact sway you from your ignorance. I have seen you take valid points and sources and completely ignore them in order to proclaim your superior skills at celebrating your "win".

I am correct about a great many things. My sources have had no effect on you or Obama's cultists. Really, no connection between Wright and Obama? As Hillary once said, that would require a suspension of disbelief. But hey, you keep on keeping on my friend.

Obama will lose in November and I will be here to rub your nose in it. Hugs and kisses!

The problem is we're assuming here that HE ordered his aides to exclude the ladies, that he cut off contact with his family for THAT reason, and so on and so forth.

If he can't control his aides how can he control the country?

We haven't seen anything to show that he has "cut off contact with his family" for any reason at all, or that any of his family ever said any of the things claimed.

If he actually believes that he's standing up for an ideal US where Muslims are equally respected (add to his list of other ethnicities and belief systems that he touts in the name of egalitarian diversity), why is he so eager to throw them under the bus?


Because its a politically smart and prudent decision. All it takes is one photograpgh of him standing with a guy in a turban and BOOM idiot demogoges like Bill O'riely and Sean Hannity will be all over the airwaves waving their "proof" of Obama's plans to institute Sharia.

The only reason he has to do this is the fact that the right-wing pundits and morons have associated Islam with terror. Other morons decided to start rumors about Obama in that direction, in an underhanded tactic to scare voters. So, it's THEIR fault.

If you read the Koran you would have seen that it is Islam that aligns itself with terror, no one had to do it for them.

Never have I seen truth and fact sway you from your ignorance. I have seen you take valid points and sources and completely ignore them in order to proclaim your superior skills at celebrating your "win".

I am correct about a great many things. My sources have had no effect on you or Obama's cultists. Really, no connection between Wright and Obama? As Hillary once said, that would require a suspension of disbelief. But hey, you keep on keeping on my friend.

Obama will lose in November and I will be here to rub your nose in it. Hugs and kisses!

1- You have yet to prove that Obama agreed with Wright. Or even that Wright gave this kind of sermon with Obama there.

2- The one with Ayers is even more fake.

3- When Obama wins I'll be glad to rub it in your scolex.

If he can't control his aides how can he control the country?

If McCain can't control a teleprompter, how can he control the country?

If you read the Koran you would have seen that it is Islam that aligns itself with terror, no one had to do it for them.

"...Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred..." (Al-An`am 6: 151)

And on it goes.

The assertion that the Quran teaches terror is a very stupid one, and those who make it should be ashamed for believing such tripe so easily.

If he can't control his aides how can he control the country?

Is that what a President is supposed to do, in your opinion - control the actions of everyone in the country? Perhaps you've forgotten what country this is, comrade.

If you read the Koran you would have seen that it is Islam that aligns itself with terror, no one had to do it for them.
True that. No other Holy Book does that.

True that. No other Holy Book does that.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
Say pretty please...

Say pretty please...

I know your being sarcastic, which is good. It saved me a few minutes of writing out a long, verbal bitch slap,

Say pretty please...

Pretty please, with sugar on top? *Puppy dog eyes*

If he can't control his aides how can he control the country?

Look, modern medicine has advanced a lot recently, he'll still be able to live a perfectly full life.

I know your being sarcastic, which is good. It saved me a few minutes of writing out a long, verbal bitch slap,
I don't care! You are full of lies! Your location and adding 6000+ posts to your count would make you Alien Born. Get real, noob.


Lalalallalalallalala!

I don't care! You are full of lies! Your location and adding 6000+ posts to your count would make you Alien Born. Get real, noob.

I think, I THINK you mistook the quoted poster.

If you read the Koran you would have seen that it is Islam that aligns itself with terror, no one had to do it for them.

You clearly have not read the Qu'ran.

I think, I THINK you mistook the quoted poster.
I tjink it is possible when pjosting while a bit tipsy. Now, you gonna live with it, or you gonna take it outside..?

2. Where is your proof that he wasn't raised Muslim?

Well, there's his autobiography, written well before he got into politics. There is no evidence that his mother, who was single throughout much of his upbringing, subscribed to any particular religion at all. His grandmother, who helped raise him, is still alive. She is not Muslim and has not made any claims that he is or was.

How's this: where's the proof that he was?

The only reason it matters, is because he claims he's for change, yet he goes and does what every politicion does: Lies.

And yet no lies have been demonstrated. People assume he's lying - and, apparently, that he has been lying pretty much all of his adult life, about this. Where does that assumption come from?

You have a point. But it is suspicious. He's cutting off contact, preventing himself from being seen with Muslims...

Is that why he was photographed with a woman in hijab the day after this happened?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20080618/2008_06_17t213910_450x318_us_usa_politics_obama_economy.jpg?x=400&y=282&sig=izhkKSfJqYV9Qh9qEtS7hA--


The problem is we're assuming here that HE ordered his aides to exclude the ladies, that he cut off contact with his family for THAT reason, and so on and so forth.

Has any evidence actually been put forth that he has cut off contact with his family at all?


Never have I seen truth and fact sway you from your ignorance.

Have you ever presented either?

The lies spewing from the keyboards of Hotwife and Smiling Frogs made me angry enough to restore my nation to reply. (thanks to the people at NS for making that easier, by the way)

Obama was not raised Muslim, nor was he raised by his family in Kenya. There are no madrassa "records" but rather quotes taken and distorted from his book. His mother was atheist/agnostic. His grandparents on his mothers side were probably not muslim. The family you are speaking of are his paternal family, who he was not raised by, and spent his childhood over a thousand miles away from. He was only in indonesia because the man his mother married was from indonesia and was doing humanitarian work there.

Hotwife and Smiling frogs, you are liars. You have no honor. What you are speaking are lies, and I intend to allow you no delusions to the contrary.

Hotwife and Smiling frogs, you are liars. You have no honor. What you are speaking are lies, and I intend to allow you no delusions to the contrary.

STYLISH!!! :D

Has any evidence actually been put forth that he has cut off contact with his family at all?

>.>

<.<

Uhm, include that in the "and so on" part...

Apparently not, with the madrassa records and his relatives in Kenya.
Uhu, I have family in Canada I haven't seen for about 15 years, and we went to a Methodist service, I guess they might have thought I was into it and such. I also went to about 5 methodist services for Christmas. And my primary school had a bunch of Christian prayers in assembly.

That would be about as much proof of me being a Methodist as there is of Obama being a Muslim.

STYLISH!!! :D

Thank you. I've been playing L5R recently and the samurai in my head demanded to speak.

You know, it is pretty frustrating with posters like The Smiling Frogs, HotWife, Muqtada Al Dos and so forth. So much so that it take quite a bit of effort not to hurl abusive language at them.

Although, if you think about it, it would be rather boring here without the extreme fringe of the right (or even the left but I haven't seen The Red Arrow in a long time) coming in here with their Limbaugh, Coulter and O'Rielly talking points.

What would be the point in coming here without all the wild crazy talk?

So here's to you infuriating ones with your unsupported claims and inability to make a reasoned argument!

*raises glass*

Thank you. I've been playing L5R recently and the samurai in my head demanded to speak.

Welcome.

I mean, I, for one, am more towards the modern anime style, not necessarily samurai, just some somewhat thematic gloating. But I can appreciate a good "you have no honor" speech. I mean, works well and stuff. ;)

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Hotwife and Smiling frogs, you are liars. You have no honor. What you are speaking are lies, and I intend to allow you no delusions to the contrary.


Seems like a duel is required.

Ahhh I long for the good old times when the ability with the sword was all you needed to prove your point. *sniff* :(

Never have I seen truth and fact sway you from your ignorance. I have seen you take valid points and sources and completely ignore them in order to proclaim your superior skills at celebrating your "win".

I am correct about a great many things. My sources have had no effect on you or Obama's cultists. Really, no connection between Wright and Obama? As Hillary once said, that would require a suspension of disbelief. But hey, you keep on keeping on my friend.

Obama will lose in November and I will be here to rub your nose in it. Hugs and kisses!

I've yet to see you "prove" any of your points in any of the threads I've seen your name in. You keep pulling "facts" out of nowhere and telling how these "facts" have been "proven" without any source or backup.

No, I'm not "Obama cultist". I do not really know what he stands for nor do I care as it's american politics and I'm not american. However, political debates occassionally have some good entertainment.

You've proven to be one interesting entertainment with your web of lies. It's quite fun to read how people dismantle it.

The Smiling Frogs kicks puppies and hates ice cream. Fact.

:p

Best troll I've seen so far, good work Hotwife.

Hotwife, I would have thought that having your threads closed each time you make a US election thread outside the stickied topic would have got the point across to you.

However, since it hasn't, please read the sentence in red print:

DO NOT MAKE U.S. ELECTION THREADS OUTSIDE THE STICKIED TOPICS.

Please note that this is not a ban on your recurrent subject-matter, ie, whether Obama is a Muslim. If this becomes a major election topic after today, you are welcome to raise it again, in the appropriate stickied thread.

However, should you repeat, as the main content of your post, the angles you have already used or other approaches that have already been discussed, I will view it as trolling and respond to it as such.