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OMFG

I don't think that's Earth and here's why:

We did not see ONE SINGLE clear identifying characteristic at any point. We saw no recognizable land masses, we didn't get to see the Moon, even though these are all things that have been shown before. Why not now? It would have been a great looking shot, with Galactica orbiting serenely over Europe or Florida or something... Or perhaps with our familiar Moon in the background as the fleet jumped into orbit...

...unless that ain't Earth.

Thoughts?

Maybe they came in over the Pacific... :p

The constellations matched. Can you explain that?

I can

The constellations matched. Can you explain that?

I can

Please do :p

Although my own theory is that

A)Which constellations/how many are they using for comparison? if they were orbiting a world in orbit around, say Alpha Centauri (4 LY from Earth), some constellations would be either exactly the same or very close.

B)Where did they get data on the Constellations to use as a basis for comparison? From the 'planetarium' on Kobol? That data would be 4,000 years old by the time the Fleet arrived at this planet. That's enough time for changes in the appearance of the COnstellations.

I think it's Earth, and that it was just destroyed (by Cylons?) in apocalyptic warfare.

That'd have more impact than 'just kidding, it's all an elaborate hoax' or 'it was all a dream!'

Please do :p

Although my own theory is that

A)Which constellations/how many are they using for comparison? if they were orbiting a world in orbit around, say Alpha Centauri (4 LY from Earth), some constellations would be either exactly the same or very close.

B)Where did they get data on the Constellations to use as a basis for comparison? From the 'planetarium' on Kobol? That data would be 4,000 years old by the time the Fleet arrived at this planet. That's enough time for changes in the appearance of the COnstellations.

A) The 12 Zodiacal constellations were the basis for the comparison and you're right: From any system with say, a dozen light years, the differences would be very small.

B) Yep. 4000 year old data. But don't they have the technology to correct for that?

It could be a nearby system. Barnard's Star or Alpha Centauri. But there's another possibility:

Maybe they are in the right solar system, but orbiting the wrong planet.

A) The 12 Zodiacal constellations were the basis for the comparison and you're right: From any system with say, a dozen light years, the differences would be very small.

B) Yep. 4000 year old data. But don't they have the technology to correct for that?

It could be a nearby system. Barnard's Star or Alpha Centauri. But there's another possibility:

Maybe they are in the right solar system, but orbiting the wrong planet.

Burned out ruins on a terraformed Mars??

Though if it was Alpha Centauri, wouldn't you be able to see that it was a trinary star system?

Burned out ruins on a terraformed Mars??

Though if it was Alpha Centauri, wouldn't you be able to see that it was a trinary star system?

Well, apparently the Twelve Colonies were all in one star system. That smells like terraforming to me.

As far as Alpha Centauri, they really didn't dwell on the sky long enough to be sure either way. Though on the star map before they went there, it was a single star. Starbuck mentioned it was near a trinary system.

So it's got to be either our Solar System or Barnard's Star, then, as the Alpha/Beta/Proxima Centauri is the only trinary system in the area, if memory serves.

A)Which constellations/how many are they using for comparison? if they were orbiting a world in orbit around, say Alpha Centauri (4 LY from Earth), some constellations would be either exactly the same or very close.
I think a civilization that figured out hyperdrives has far more precise methods for star analysis and would figure that out.

B)Where did they get data on the Constellations to use as a basis for comparison? From the 'planetarium' on Kobol? That data would be 4,000 years old by the time the Fleet arrived at this planet. That's enough time for changes in the appearance of the COnstellations.
Starbuck's ship? :rolleyes:

Obviously, this is Earth. The reason they didn't show landmasses is because it would show the devastation on the planet (no green). Furthermore, humans (not Cylons) did this through a classic nuclear winter scenario post WWIII. Finally, the happy music before the landing is obviously supposed to offset the truth of an essentially destroyed Earth. I just wonder how the hell they are going to continue the series, if there's no hope left (maybe return to New Caprica?) Also, the series is supposed to be a repeat of something that happened thousands of years ago. How's that gonna work? DeepcreekXC

I think a civilization that figured out hyperdrives has far more precise methods for star analysis and would figure that out.


That all depends on how accurate their original data was.


Starbuck's ship? :rolleyes:

All that was in her Viper were a few gun camera photos

Obviously, this is Earth. The reason they didn't show landmasses is because it would show the devastation on the planet (no green). Furthermore, humans (not Cylons) did this through a classic nuclear winter scenario post WWIII. Finally, the happy music before the landing is obviously supposed to offset the truth of an essentially destroyed Earth. I just wonder how the hell they are going to continue the series, if there's no hope left (maybe return to New Caprica?) Also, the series is supposed to be a repeat of something that happened thousands of years ago. How's that gonna work? DeepcreekXC

Nuclear winter is a myth.

As long as they don't try to seque into a modernized version of "Galactica 1980"

Well, apparently the Twelve Colonies were all in one star system. That smells like terraforming to me.

As far as Alpha Centauri, they really didn't dwell on the sky long enough to be sure either way. Though on the star map before they went there, it was a single star. Starbuck mentioned it was near a trinary system.

How does one match up the 12 colonies being in one star system with Earth being the place where you could see all the 12 colonies in the sky?

Several millennia ago, an asteroid or meteor hit the Earth, reducing the human population to a number that almost not viable genetically. One theory could be that the Human/Cylon fleet landed on this post-cataclysmic Earth. Once the remaining human population of Earth and the Human/Cylon allies discovered each other (the original Earth humans would consider the Galactica people as something in the nature of deities), they set about rebuilding civilization. We, of course, would be the theoretical descendents of those three groups. Gaius Baltar would lead a small group of proto-Jews (including most of the Cylons). Adama and Laura would lead the larger group of polytheists (including a few Cylons like Athena and Tighe). The fleet, and most of the Galactica technology would either be cannibalized for survival or hidden in the asteroid belt. The ruins of Earth civilization would either be scavenged or cleaned up.

I'm probably wrong.

I read too much sci fi.

How does one match up the 12 colonies being in one star system with Earth being the place where you could see all the 12 colonies in the sky?

Are all 12 of the colonies on a existing orbiting body such as Mars or Venus or even the moons of Jupiter. Or are they man made objects such as a ring world?

Something just occurred to me: In the prophecy that gets all of this set in motion, it states that the dying leader is supposed to die before their arrival on earth. That dying leader is presumably Roslin, and on top of that no other major character who could be called a leader has recently kicked the bucket.

Ergo, this can't be earth.

This is a stray thought. Cylons aren't supposed to be fertile with Cylons, are they? So how come Tighe was able to impregnate the Cylon woman?

This is a stray thought. Cylons aren't supposed to be fertile with Cylons, are they? So how come Tighe was able to impregnate the Cylon woman?

I'm sure they'll expand on that. I think what we'll eventually see is that now that the hub is destroyed, the Cylons will start breeding with humans and Cylons and then live out "natural" lives with their human counter parts, ultimately.

This is a stray thought. Cylons aren't supposed to be fertile with Cylons, are they? So how come Tighe was able to impregnate the Cylon woman?

The Final Five are supposed to be "fundamentally different" from the other cylon models. I'm guessing it has to do with that.

Something just occurred to me: In the prophecy that gets all of this set in motion, it states that the dying leader is supposed to die before their arrival on earth. That dying leader is presumably Roslin, and on top of that no other major character who could be called a leader has recently kicked the bucket.

Ergo, this can't be earth.

To be specific, the prophecy says that the dying leader will die before humanity reaches the "promised land". It's entirely possible that this is Earth, and Earth isn't the intended promised land of humanity.

As long as they don't try to seque into a modernized version of "Galactica 1980"

Amen

To be specific, the prophecy says that the dying leader will die before humanity reaches the "promised land". It's entirely possible that this is Earth, and Earth isn't the intended promised land of humanity.

Good point, I hadn't thought of that.

Are all 12 of the colonies on a existing orbiting body such as Mars or Venus or even the moons of Jupiter. Or are they man made objects such as a ring world?

Unknown, since the only colony I recall was Caprica, which looked like a standard Class-M planetoid. That being said, I don't recall anything within the series from what I've seen (granted, that's only through Season 2. . .damn delays in getting Season 3 on DVD) that suggested the other colonies were anything other than other planets. Presumably, if Picon or Sagittaron were a moon of Caprica, they would have been in a subordinate position that didn't seem demonstrated in the government. It would also make much more difficult to explain the fact that the Colonial fleet used FTL drives as their standard transport systems. One doesn't typically use FTL's in a system because of all the debris you're likely to displace yourself onto. Instead, you use them at the star's La Grange Point at the apex or nadir of the star's gravity well to minimize the amount of space junk you're interacting with. Then you use the standard ship drives to transport you within system.

How does one match up the 12 colonies being in one star system with Earth being the place where you could see all the 12 colonies in the sky?

All 12 constellations. Each constellation represented one of the twelve colonies.

Unknown, since the only colony I recall was Caprica, which looked like a standard Class-M planetoid. That being said, I don't recall anything within the series from what I've seen (granted, that's only through Season 2. . .damn delays in getting Season 3 on DVD) that suggested the other colonies were anything other than other planets. Presumably, if Picon or Sagittaron were a moon of Caprica, they would have been in a subordinate position that didn't seem demonstrated in the government. It would also make much more difficult to explain the fact that the Colonial fleet used FTL drives as their standard transport systems. One doesn't typically use FTL's in a system because of all the debris you're likely to displace yourself onto. Instead, you use them at the star's La Grange Point at the apex or nadir of the star's gravity well to minimize the amount of space junk you're interacting with. Then you use the standard ship drives to transport you within system.

It was stated that all twelve colonies were in the same star system. I don't remember where.

It was stated that all twelve colonies were in the same star system. I don't remember where.
http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/
Does it make sense that there would be a star system with 12 inhabitable planets? Not really, but that was in the original and at some point I decided to run with that as another nod to the old show.

As long as they don't try to seque into a modernized version of "Galactica 1980"

Poor Doctor Zee :(

But at least Starbuck would be male ;)

Unknown, since the only colony I recall was Caprica, which looked like a standard Class-M planetoid. <snip>


You just used a fictional Star Trek term to describe a Battlestar Galactica world...

And we all understood you perfectly.

The nerd level of this thread has just reached critical mass. :)

They had to make Earth destroyed or the series would have devolved into a horrible jump the shark situation like the original series did. It would have been forced, out of neccesity, to introduce possibly dozens of new characters for a series that is to be wrapped up permenantly in the next 12 episodes.

Aslo if they found a viable Earth then much of the drama that the series revolves around would be rendered moot. What are the cast of characters going to do sit around a table in a cafe in Manhattan discussing who the 5th hidden Cylon is? Why would they even care any more?

It just doesnt work on several levels.

Also i call BS on there only being one Hub. If you were a creature that had immortality, and that source of immortality was a ship that had a limited range, i would have as many Hubs as possible scattered absolutly everywhere. At the very least there would be backups in case a reactor overloads or some other mechanical disaster happens on the Hub.

You just used a fictional Star Trek term to describe a Battlestar Galactica world...

And we all understood you perfectly.

The nerd level of this thread has just reached critical mass. :)

Well, I don't think there's an official planetary designation system yet in place, given that "gas giant" and "rocky inner planet" describe pretty much all of the 400 and some-odd known planets, excepting of course the now-near-planet Pluto.

But hey, nothing wrong with being a nerd par-extraordinaire.

We can probably assume there are some form of survivors on Earth though because someone had to send Starbuck back in a new spaceship with the coordinates.

You just used a fictional Star Trek term to describe a Battlestar Galactica world...

And we all understood you perfectly.

The nerd level of this thread has just reached critical mass. :)

PHAZON OVERLOAD!

So who's the Final Fifth? I think it's Balthazar.

So who's the Final Fifth? I think it's Balthazar.

I think i have it solved. its Zarek the Vice President. Hes the actor from the original series, he authored the book that the new Battlestar is based on, In terms of storyline, hes always somehow held influence in one way or another along the whole entire series. First as a leader of rebels and now hes the VP and continues to be VP even when the Presidents change, and hes always up to shennanigans like trying to turn Lee against Adama just a few episodes ago.

I think i have it solved. its Zarek the Vice President. Hes the actor from the original series, he authored the book that the new Battlestar is based on, In terms of storyline, hes always somehow held influence in one way or another along the whole entire series. First as a leader of rebels and now hes the VP and continues to be VP even when the Presidents change, and hes always up to shennanigans like trying to turn Lee against Adama just a few episodes ago.

I have no problem with your theory but I just wanted to note that Richard Hatch (Zarek) didn't write the story the new BSG is based upon. His was a completely different continuity and he had been trying to bring Battlestar back as a continuation of the original series (Excluding Galactica 1980.)

But yah your idea is certainly plausible except that you have to account for Deanna stating that 4 of the 5 were in the fleet, and all 4 have been accounted for.

So who's the Final Fifth? I think it's Balthazar.

It's either Baltar or Roslin. One of the Cylons mentioned that there were only four of the final five in the fleet. At that time, both Baltar and Roslin were on the basestar (not in the fleet).

It's either Baltar or Roslin. One of the Cylons mentioned that there were only four of the final five in the fleet. At that time, both Baltar and Roslin were on the basestar (not in the fleet).

Ron Moore has categorically indicated that neither Roslin, Baltar or Adama is the 12th Cylon.

I still say it's Starbuck's mom.

Ron Moore has categorically indicated that neither Roslin, Baltar or Adama is the 12th Cylon.

I still say it's Starbuck's mom.

Bah. He lies ;)

It's either Baltar or Roslin. One of the Cylons mentioned that there were only four of the final five in the fleet. At that time, both Baltar and Roslin were on the basestar (not in the fleet).

Baltar, yeah, that's what I meant to say.

But I forgot about that condition. Now it seems less plausible.

Of course it is earth. Also the home planet of the humanoid cylons and the origin of mankind.
Cylons are just humans after all. They are earthlings. They are the people who trade their humanity for immortality and now need salvation. They therefore have to seek out for the rest of humanity, the colonists. But as time went by, they again become more and more machine-like. Until now... :D