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...the whole planet is getting ridiculous? I keep looking around and see that we're going over the top on some issues or some questions raised are not answered.

Recently I've been looking at politics (bad idea...makes me depressed) in and around the UK (sorry, have not been paying attention to the US elections much, wake me up when it's over and tell me who won, I can't vote on it so I don't really have the right to a say on anything about it).

I thought I had a say in the UK...apparently not, at least not from what I have seen so far.

As many are no doubt aware, from multiple threads, the EU Lisbon Treaty was said no to in a referendum that the Irish held, the same kind of referendum that the British government said people in England were going to get but never did give us, since they knew it wouldn't go their way.

We all know that they're deciding to crack down on knife crime, or at least gonna try and re-enforce stuff from 1996 on the issue, I wasn't really paying too much attention to when this stuff is from. However one issue of mine has popped up: What about Sikhs and Pagans who use knives and swords ritually as a part of their religion? They're not using it for stabbing, but for other purposes...a Sikh is required by his religion to carry a ceremonial sword (or knife in a swords place) on his person at all times. And Pagans often use swords and knives as tools, for instance athames to direct energy with. What will happen to them when it comes to the knife law, how will they be dealt with?

I recently read that the UN said the UK should consider if we want to keep the monarchy (an issue brought up by Sri Lanka), while others were disapproving on how we dealt with immigrants from the Sudan, the treatment of Muslims and the issue of sexual discrimination.

Why are so many places getting a say in how we run our country, when we aren't being given the chance?

(Yes, feel free to correct me, I'm damn sure I've got stuff wrong and I want to be corrected so I can learn).

I'll let GIR fill this one in for me. (http://www.siberkat.com/thewavszim2/yaydoomg.wav)

Thank you GIR.

Am I the only person who thought the post would consist entirely of the phrase "... a nut"

Am I the only person who thought the post would consist entirely of the phrase "... a nut"

I'll do that post for you later dude.

And Wil - Thank you, it's good to know we're all doomed.

...the whole planet is getting ridiculous? I keep looking around and see that we're going over the top on some issues or some questions raised are not answered.

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Yes, and quite often.

*clears throat* GETTING ridiculous? To quote Ollie from "The mist"
As a species, we're fundamentally insane. Put more than two of us in a room, we pick sides and start dreaming up reasons to kill one another. Why do you think we invented politics and religion?
Does that make for a normal world? No, it makes for a ridiculous one. So join the A.H.M.(Anti human movement) now, and contribute to the extinction of all humans :p.

I'll let GIR fill this one in for me. (http://www.siberkat.com/thewavszim2/yaydoomg.wav)

Thank you GIR.

That sounded like Oddworld.

*clears throat* GETTING ridiculous? To quote Ollie from "The mist"

Does that make for a normal world? No, it makes for a ridiculous one. So join the A.H.M.(Anti human movement) now, and contribute to the extinction of all humans :p.

Wouldn't that play right into the whole thinking up reasons to kill each other?

in politics its put up or shut up.

if you dont like what your government is doing, fight it.

they are counting on you and people like you to decide that that is too much trouble so they can continue to do whatever they like.

so think about it and decide just how important it is to you.

I've felt that way for years, I think my first clue was when I was about nine or ten and I found out that burglars have managed to successfully sue home-owners for leaving dangerous stuff around.

That is pretty absurd, yes.

Wouldn't that play right into the whole thinking up reasons to kill each other?

SHHHH!!!:p

Wait, are we in the same room? *Takes knife*

*slowly backs away*
*pulls out phone*
*calls in air strike*

*slowly backs away*
*pulls out phone*
*calls in air strike*

*realises things are getting ridiculus*
*godmods them all out of existance*
*gets bored*
*godmods a bunch of sexy women with no clothes on into existance*


NSG is nice :D I con do anything i want :P so long as i don't mind godmodding :D ;)

I've felt that way for years, I think my first clue was when I was about nine or ten and I found out that burglars have managed to successfully sue home-owners for leaving dangerous stuff around.
Thank you liability, lawyers, judges and ass-holes.

...the whole planet is getting ridiculous? I keep looking around and see that we're going over the top on some issues or some questions raised are not answered.

Recently I've been looking at politics (bad idea...makes me depressed) in and around the UK (sorry, have not been paying attention to the US elections much, wake me up when it's over and tell me who won, I can't vote on it so I don't really have the right to a say on anything about it).

I thought I had a say in the UK...apparently not, at least not from what I have seen so far.

As many are no doubt aware, from multiple threads, the EU Lisbon Treaty was said no to in a referendum that the Irish held, the same kind of referendum that the British government said people in England were going to get but never did give us, since they knew it wouldn't go their way.

We all know that they're deciding to crack down on knife crime, or at least gonna try and re-enforce stuff from 1996 on the issue, I wasn't really paying too much attention to when this stuff is from. However one issue of mine has popped up: What about Sikhs and Pagans who use knives and swords ritually as a part of their religion? They're not using it for stabbing, but for other purposes...a Sikh is required by his religion to carry a ceremonial sword (or knife in a swords place) on his person at all times. And Pagans often use swords and knives as tools, for instance athames to direct energy with. What will happen to them when it comes to the knife law, how will they be dealt with?

I recently read that the UN said the UK should consider if we want to keep the monarchy (an issue brought up by Sri Lanka), while others were disapproving on how we dealt with immigrants from the Sudan, the treatment of Muslims and the issue of sexual discrimination.

Why are so many places getting a say in how we run our country, when we aren't being given the chance?

(Yes, feel free to correct me, I'm damn sure I've got stuff wrong and I want to be corrected so I can learn).
I think the underlined is the main problem.

I think that's something to do with, the people who shout the loudest will be heard first.

Besides i doubt there will be any radical changes in UK, i mean it's the UK radical isn't really done here.
Even someone throwing flour on the PM was seen as a massive public event (this is the last PM mind you), so i'm not surprised if folks want to kick up a storm in the UK.

I think the bigger problems are the oil price increases and the various protests recently.

Recently I've been looking at politics (bad idea...makes me depressed) in and around the UK (sorry, have not been paying attention to the US elections much, wake me up when it's over and tell me who won, I can't vote on it so I don't really have the right to a say on anything about it).You have the right to an opinion on anything you like (mostly, given Labour's erosion of Freedom of Speech and Protest). Goes double on the internet.


I thought I had a say in the UK...apparently not, at least not from what I have seen so far.
You do we have regular elections, and between times feel free to moan at your representatives (www.theyworkforyou.com).


As many are no doubt aware, from multiple threads, the EU Lisbon Treaty was said no to in a referendum that the Irish held, the same kind of referendum that the British government said people in England were going to get but never did give us, since they knew it wouldn't go their way.
Reasonably true. Having promised they should have delivered.


We all know that they're deciding to crack down on knife crime, or at least gonna try and re-enforce stuff from 1996 on the issue, I wasn't really paying too much attention to when this stuff is from. However one issue of mine has popped up: What about Sikhs and Pagans who use knives and swords ritually as a part of their religion? They're not using it for stabbing, but for other purposes...a Sikh is required by his religion to carry a ceremonial sword (or knife in a swords place) on his person at all times. And Pagans often use swords and knives as tools, for instance athames to direct energy with. What will happen to them when it comes to the knife law, how will they be dealt with?
The new law I believe you're referring to has an exemption for reasonable cause, I'd imagine that'd cover them.


I recently read that the UN said the UK should consider if we want to keep the monarchy (an issue brought up by Sri Lanka), while others were disapproving on how we dealt with immigrants from the Sudan, the treatment of Muslims and the issue of sexual discrimination.

Why are so many places getting a say in how we run our country, when we aren't being given the chance?


People saying that the UK should do such and such is not comparable to a referendum (or lack thereof). They're offering opinions not actually making decisions or exerting any direct influence over the country. And again, you have those elections, last one about a month ago.

Sorry, have not been paying attention to the US elections much, wake me up when it's over and tell me who won, I can't vote on it so I don't really have the right to a say on anything about it

You have the freedom to say whatever you please about US politics, that's kind of the whole point of the system as a concept. The thing that most Europeans seem either unwilling or unable to comprehend(yourself excluded), is that, regardless of whatever wacky opinions they may have about US politics, they don't count, since they're not US citizens.

As for the world spiraling downwards, entropy will increase, it tends to be a bugger that way, and things will get a lot worse before they get better.

The thing that most Europeans seem either unwilling or unable to comprehend(yourself excluded), is that, regardless of whatever wacky opinions they may have about US politics, they don't count, since they're not US citizens.

As long as the US continues to hold a significant role in the world, our opinions will be voiced and recognised.

As long as the US continues to hold a significant role in the world, our opinions will be voiced and recognised.

Recognized by who, exactly? Like I said, feel free to maunder on to your heart's content about everything under the sun, but if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to count for anything.

Recognized by who, exactly? Like I said, feel free to maunder on to your heart's content about everything under the sun, but if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to count for anything.

A good point is a good point no matter where it comes from, and if it's a good point and people hear it they'll pay attention to it. If on the other hand they're the sort of people that don't listen to other's arguments and opinions then I doubt nationality will make a difference.

Sure we can't directly affect anything, but we don't necessarily have to.

A good point is a good point no matter where it comes from, and if it's a good point and people hear it they'll pay attention to it.

Depends on your definition of 'good point', I suppose. The majority of the political commentary on U.S. politics I hear coming from Europe only demonstrates the elusive nature of that beast, because Lord knows, y'all have yet to find it.

If on the other hand they're the sort of people that don't listen to other's arguments and opinions then I doubt nationality will make a difference.

Depends on if it's an opinion worth listening to. I've got lots of opinions, and I'll freely admit some of them aren't worth much(my hatred for plastic sandals, for instance) but on the other hand, I don't expect people to take those ones seriously or give them much credence. The moral of the story being, I suppose, if you're going to say something and want to be taken seriously, make sure it's something worth listening to.

No the world is perfectly sane.

write to your MP if you have an issue and remember that we ask countries to do things all the time:)

Recognized by who, exactly? Like I said, feel free to maunder on to your heart's content about everything under the sun, but if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to count for anything.

well yes I suppose it won't count for much when most of the world hates you anyway but in case you haven't noticed the world has quite a large effect on your daily life

...the whole planet is getting ridiculous? I keep looking around and see that we're going over the top on some issues or some questions raised are not answered.
Get a livejournal, for chrissakes.

Thank you, it's good to know we're all doomed.
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Get a livejournal, for chrissakes.

Indeed.

well yes I suppose it won't count for much when most of the world hates you anyway but in case you haven't noticed the world has quite a large effect on your daily life

Aaaaand that's got what, exactly, to do with anything, really? Other than proving you have a death-grip on the completely obvious, you've added nothing of value.

Aaaaand that's got what, exactly, to do with anything, really? Other than proving you have a death-grip on the completely obvious, you've added nothing of value.

...that yes our opinion does matter on your issues seeing as how a considerable degree of the American economy rest on import/export

I suggest avoiding the smart look because its hard to pull off :)

...that yes our opinion does matter on your issues seeing as how a considerable degree of the American economy rest on import/export

Oh, yes, I forgot, it's Europe that's the pre-eminent super-power in the world today. Tell you what, I'm fairly certain that Europe is more economically dependent on the U.S. than the other way around. Your average European can have any opinion they like on U.S. politics or policy, but in terms of practical effect or impact, it means exactly dick.

Oh, yes, I forgot, it's Europe that's the pre-eminent super-power in the world today. Tell you what, I'm fairly certain that Europe is more economically dependent on the U.S. than the other way around. Your average European can have any opinion they like on U.S. politics or policy, but in terms of practical effect or impact, it means exactly dick.

Oh, you´re fairly certain are you? That´s reassuring. No need to let a silly thing like reality bother you.

Oh, you´re fairly certain are you? That´s reassuring. No need to let a silly thing like reality bother you.

I say 'fairly certain' because, while I believe this to be the case, in the absence of concrete data I can put my finger on at the moment(I'm carrying out this discussion while at work, in between tending to the things I'm actually paid to do, thus my attention and time to pursue this is limited)
I'm not foolish enough to issue an absolute statement to the effect because there exists the possibility I may be wrong. A very slight possibility, sure enough, but existing nonetheless.

As for my grip on reality, rest assured its strength is exceeded only by Hercules's apocryphal grasp on Cerberus.

*realises things are getting ridiculus*
*godmods them all out of existance*
*gets bored*
*godmods a bunch of sexy women with no clothes on into existance*


NSG is nice :D I con do anything i want :P so long as i don't mind godmodding :D ;)

!NICE!
*god mods himself back into existence*
*parties with girls*