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His Kenyan half-brother says that Obama has a Muslim background.

Better tell "fightthesmears.com".

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1212659716936&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.

In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya.

Speaking of the web site that's supposed to keep Obama unsmeared, it appears that the same idiots who run his regular website are working on fightthesmears.

I would suggest that they hire someone who actually knows what they're doing.

Here's an example of how badly they got hacked, the first day they were up.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080612ObamaSmearHack.jpg

oooh, smears... with mud! :p

UpwardThrust could probably give them some pointers on how to run a website secure from being comically redone.

Gee. Less than two days in, and Republicans are already trying to prevent voices that disagree with them and tell the truth from being heard. Quélle surprise.

His Kenyan half-brother says that Obama has a Muslim background.

I don't see how it matters.

Who is his half-brother? Willie Horton?

actually his site wasn't hacked it was parodied.

That was at fightthesmears.org (parody)

The real domain that they registered is fightthesmears.com which redirects.

Yes, they should have registered the .org to be safe. Even Whitehouse.org was parodied by whitehouse.com and they even got sensitive information sent to them by the Bush administration.

Besides, so what? Some extremely secure military computers get hacked.


As for Obamas supposed Muslim background. That story is extremely lacking in details

Gee. Less than two days in, and Republicans are already trying to prevent voices that disagree with them and tell the truth from being heard. Quélle surprise.

It's hard to say who does more damage on Obama's sites - the antisemite pro-Obama ranters, the muslim radical pro-Obama ranters, the communist pro-Obama ranters, or the occasional Republican hacker.

That, and no one on the Obama team has the slightest idea on how to secure or run a website.

What does it say about a political party that knows it can't win a presidential election if it were decided solely on the issues and the strength of the people running for office?

When it comes to all out, hard core, take no prisoners campaigning there is no organization better than the modern Republican party. I give them credit for knowing how to effectively appeal to Americans' most base fears and prejudices. Truly, they are masterful at the smear campaign.

Their only failing is when they actually win elections and have to lead.

actually his site wasn't hacked it was parodied.

That was at fightthesmears.org (parody)

The real domain that they registered is fightthesmears.com which redirects.

Yes, they should have registered the .org to be safe. Even Whitehouse.org gets parodied by whitehouse.com and they even got sensitive information sent to them by the Bush administration.

Besides, so what? Some extremely secure military computers get hacked.


As for Obamas supposed Muslim background. That story is extremely lacking in details

It's just his half-brother making the assertion. So the fightthesmears people need to put the beat down on his half brother.

Well, he does have a muslim background, doesn't he? Didn't everyone know this before he got the nomination?

It's hard to say who does more damage on McCain's sites - the pro-McCain ranters that claim Hitler was a godsend, the Christian fundamentalist pro-McCain ranters, the racist pro-Obama ranters, or the occasional Democrat hacker.

Hear hear.

actually his site wasn't hacked it was parodied.

That was at fightthesmears.org (parody)

The real domain that they registered is fightthesmears.com which redirects.

Yes, they should have registered the .org to be safe. Even Whitehouse.org was parodied by whitehouse.com and they even got sensitive information sent to them by the Bush administration.

Besides, so what? Some extremely secure military computers get hacked.


As for Obamas supposed Muslim background. That story is extremely lacking in details

If there was anyone going to bring this hackie crap up I knew it would be HW. Littlegreenfootballs as a credible sources makes me crack up more than "cracka."

In other news, my gf's sister's best friend little brother says Obama is part of the KKK. You heard it here first. Zzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzz

Officially, he denies it. Officially, he was never a Muslim, never attended a Muslim school, never was raised Muslim, etc.

IIRC, he did attend a madrassa for a short time when he was very young.

I actually believe he's an atheist, who attends his particular church for political benefit.

1- Neither I nor reality care about what you believe.

2- His religion matters because...?

Apparently no hacking yet on the McCain site. It's not that hard to secure one.

It IS harder for them to make one that navigates WELL, though...

Well, he does have a muslim background, doesn't he? Didn't everyone know this before he got the nomination?

Officially, he denies it. Officially, he was never a Muslim, never attended a Muslim school, never was raised Muslim, etc.

IIRC, he did attend a madrassa for a short time when he was very young.

I actually believe he's an atheist, who attends his particular church for political benefit.

Officially, he denies it. Officially, he was never a Muslim, never attended a Muslim school, never was raised Muslim, etc.

IIRC, he did attend a madrassa for a short time when he was very young.

I actually believe he's an atheist, who attends his particular church for political benefit.

I imagine many American politicians attend their church for fear of losing votes. IMS there is only one 'out' atheist in Congress.

Hear hear.
Apparently no hacking yet on the McCain site. It's not that hard to secure one.

It's hard to say who does more damage on Obama's sites - the antisemite pro-Obama ranters, the muslim radical pro-Obama ranters, the communist pro-Obama ranters, or the occasional Republican hacker.

That, and no one on the Obama team has the slightest idea on how to secure or run a website.

The Republicans do the most damage to themselves by making idiotic statements leaving Obama and the Democrats looking better all of the time. While The majority of Americans see through the bullshit, the deluded few roll around in their verbal diarrhea kicking and screaming.


Looks like the Obama site wasn't hacked so they have a better record than the US military so far.

The Republicans do the most damage to themselves by making idiotic statements leaving Obama and the Democrats looking better all of the time. While The majority of Americans see through the bullshit, the deluded few roll around in their verbal diarrhea kicking and screaming.


Looks like the Obama site wasn't hacked so they have a better record than the US military so far.

His regular site has been hacked. Directories are still open to modifications.

Also, he lets every kind of pro-Obama person post, even if they are rabid antisemites or communist revolutionaries. They can't stop it from happening, and have to constantly go back and delete things. It would be easier to secure it, rather than let idiocy get posted.

Apparently no hacking yet on the McCain site. It's not that hard to secure one.

McCain isn't a threat is why.

McCain's latest slogan: "Change..... my diaper"

His regular site has been hacked. Directories are still open to modifications.

Also, he lets every kind of pro-Obama person post, even if they are rabid antisemites or communist revolutionaries. They can't stop it from happening, and have to constantly go back and delete things. It would be easier to secure it, rather than let idiocy get posted.

No it hasn't. repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Again, it's a credit to Obama that he allows anyone to post on his site.

He's not a Republican after all. Free speech zones are for pussy politicians who can't take real life.

It's hard to say who does more damage on Obama's sites.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the right-wing conspiracy theorist nutjobs.:rolleyes:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the right-wing conspiracy theorist nutjobs.:rolleyes:

Obviously you haven't seen the hundreds of antisemitic rants put on Obama's site by pro-Obama supporters.

His team is trying to remove them as fast as they go up, but they are deliberately leaving some of them, as they apparently don't think that Jew-hating is all bad. Just some of it.

Obviously you haven't seen the hundreds of antisemitic rants put on Obama's site by pro-Obama supporters.

His team is trying to remove them as fast as they go up, but they are deliberately leaving some of them, as they apparently don't think that Jew-hating is all bad. Just some of it.

Do you have any proof at all of these claims?

Doesn't this tripe belong on the election sticky thread?

Mmmm...Tripe...

Do you have any proof at all of these claims?

Obnoxious post but not surprising.

Here you go:

A tribute to Ayers. A unrepentant terrorist:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/martinperlmutter/gGB7tV

Here are a couple of Andaras-like posts from the Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama (but don't you dare all Obama one!):

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/adamroberts/C2Qm/commentary

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/MarxistsSocialistsCommunistsforObama

Here are some about the evil Jews who run the world:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Persecuted+Palestinian/gGgB8r/commentary

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/zhunjunga/gGBt5y (This particlur one links to one of the most hateful radical left conspiracy sites on the web, Information Clearing House. Nice job Obama!)

The great thing is the ones that have been removed but I had the links in other emails to show other Obama cultists. Obama's incompetent web staff must be on 24-hour shifts:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/jemaahislamiyahforobama (Look up Jemaah Islamiya and you will see a nice group of Obama supporters.)

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/juancarloscruz/gGBPjx/commentary (In this episode, the Jews were behind 9/11.)

Just keep going to Obama's website. This stuff isn't hard to find unless you are a complete idiot and/or true Obama believer.

Snip.

The claims I asked for proof of are the claims that the Obama moderators are leaving said posts deliberately.

As for attempting to attack Obama by association, need I remind you that McCain has associated himself, and WILLINGLY with people that called for a crusade, called Hitler a godsend, claimed Jews have "dead souls", are essentially Bush III, and so on, and so forth?

Play the game of guilt by association if you wish, but don't be surprised when you lose easily.

I am NOT an opponent to be trifled with!

Your hand, sir?

It's hard to say who does more damage on Obama's sites - the antisemite pro-Obama ranters, the muslim radical pro-Obama ranters, the communist pro-Obama ranters, or the occasional Republican hacker.


You mean the spam. Or are you just lying again?

Obviously you haven't seen the hundreds of antisemitic rants put on Obama's site by pro-Obama supporters.

His team is trying to remove them as fast as they go up, but they are deliberately leaving some of them, as they apparently don't think that Jew-hating is all bad. Just some of it.

Do you have any proof at all of these claims?

Obnoxious post but not surprising.

Here you go:

A tribute to Ayers. A unrepentant terrorist:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/martinperlmutter/gGB7tV

Here are a couple of Andaras-like posts from the Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama (but don't you dare all Obama one!):

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/adamroberts/C2Qm/commentary

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/MarxistsSocialistsCommunistsforObama

Here are some about the evil Jews who run the world:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Persecuted+Palestinian/gGgB8r/commentary

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/zhunjunga/gGBt5y (This particlur one links to one of the most hateful radical left conspiracy sites on the web, Information Clearing House. Nice job Obama!)

The great thing is the ones that have been removed but I had the links in other emails to show other Obama cultists. Obama's incompetent web staff must be on 24-hour shifts:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/jemaahislamiyahforobama (Look up Jemaah Islamiya and you will see a nice group of Obama supporters.)

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/juancarloscruz/gGBPjx/commentary (In this episode, the Jews were behind 9/11.)

Just keep going to Obama's website. This stuff isn't hard to find unless you are a complete idiot and/or true Obama believer.

OK, now prove that these are by Obama supporters, not trolls. Then prove that Obama agrees with any of these things.

Doesn't this tripe belong on the election sticky thread?

Mmmm...Tripe...

Indeed it does. But you see, that wouldn't have the widest most effective spread. See, this will get closed by Ardie as soon as she sees it and that will end the discussion, which works wonders for the smear, because these things tend not to stand up to investigation and attention, but they do have sticking power as accusations. He only has to hammer away at it until it's locked and then refer to it as 'established' later on when he goes for his next smear. If it were in the proper thread people wouldn't see the headline every time they look at the front page, the claims would be and could be revisited and dismissed, only the really involved and not easily fooled would see it instead of the casual observer where it might germinate in the back of their minds. So while the rule is quite clear, and the thread stickied so that there can be no confusion, he makes it its own thread anyway knowing full well what he is doing.

Officially, he denies it. Officially, he was never a Muslim, never attended a Muslim school, never was raised Muslim, etc.

He has never denied attending a Muslim school. He also, at one point, attended a Catholic school. Does that make him a secret Catholic?

IIRC, he did attend a madrassa for a short time when he was very young.

Not a madrassa. It was an Indonesian public school. It did teach Islam, but not any extremist form of it.

I actually believe he's an atheist, who attends his particular church for political benefit.

I doubt it, considering that he detailed his conversion experience in a book well before he ever went into politics.

The claims I asked for proof of are the claims that the Obama moderators are leaving said posts deliberately.

As for attempting to attack Obama by association, need I remind you that McCain has associated himself, and WILLINGLY with people that called for a crusade, called Hitler a godsend, are essentially Bush III, and so on, and so forth? Play the game of guilt by association if you wish, but don't be surprised when you lose easily.

Your hand, sir?

Some of these posts have been left up quite a long time. The one from Jemaah Islamiya was from March 31st and was removed this past week sometime.

I don't believe McCain sat in a Marxist church that applauded anti-Semetic rants for 20 years. I don't believe people who have bombed ROTC buildings have raised money for McCain. But hey, I have the nasty trait called "high morals".

McCain got endorsements, words, from these people. None has actually started a Crusade nor killed Jews. By the way, that comment about Hitler was in regards to being a part of Biblical prophecy. It was not an endorsement of Hitler's actions. If you can't see the difference, or just take what Media Matters feeds you as fact, you are a hopeless idiot. On the other hand, Hamas has killed quite a few Jews and endorsed Obama. Which one is worse I wonder.

Obama is knee-deep involved with terrorists, convicted criminals, and professional haters. Not that Obama could ever see that side of them.

If you wish to compare lists I will. You give me yours and I will give you mine.

Obviously you haven't seen the hundreds of antisemitic rants put on Obama's site by pro-Obama supporters.

His team is trying to remove them as fast as they go up, but they are deliberately leaving some of them, as they apparently don't think that Jew-hating is all bad. Just some of it.

Tell me, why are you consistently lying about this? Its the second time we've had you splatter it around a thread, and it was dealt with comprehensively the first time....

You might also explain why you dissappeared from this thread.....
you seem to have made a number of assertions which don't hold up to scrutiny there too....... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558737&page=3)

OK, now prove that these are by Obama supporters, not trolls. Then prove that Obama agrees with any of these things.

Don't you think the Obama people check these out? If these were plants you would hear it for sure. But hey, to those who are true believers, everything is a conspiracy. There will never be enough proof to convince you.

Some of these posts have been left up quite a long time. The one from Jemaah Islamiya was from March 31st and was removed this past week sometime.

I don't believe McCain sat in a Marxist church that applauded anti-Semetic rants for 20 years. I don't believe people who have bombed ROTC buildings have raised money for McCain. But hey, I have the nasty trait called "high morals".

McCain got endorsements, words, from these people. None has actually started a Crusade nor killed Jews. By the way, that comment about Hitler was in regards to being a part of Biblical prophecy. It was not an endorsement of Hitler's actions. If you can't see the difference, or just take what Media Matters feeds you as fact, you are a hopeless idiot. On the other hand, Hamas has killed quite a few Jews and endorsed Obama. Which one is worse I wonder.

Obama is knee-deep involved with terrorists, convicted criminals, and professional haters. Not that Obama could ever see that side of them.

If you wish to compare lists I will. You give me yours and I will give you mine.

1- Obama has no responsibility for the people who post in his site.

2- McCain SOUGHT OUT endorsements and words from these hate elementals.

3- Prove that Obama "applauded Marxist rants" or whatever the hell else. You keep using words like communist, Marxist, etc. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

4- Prove that Obama is involved with terrorists and "professional haters". Without buzzwords. Now. Convincingly. Or admit you lost the argument.

Don't you think the Obama people check these out? If these were plants you would hear it for sure. But hey, to those who are true believers, everything is a conspiracy. There will never be enough proof to convince you.

Did the NSG people check out to make sure trolls such as yourself were kept out? No? Then why do you expect Obama's campaign to do the same for ITS trolls?

Indeed it does. But you see, that wouldn't have the widest most effective spread. See, this will get closed by Ardie as soon as she sees it and that will end the discussion, which works wonders for the smear, because these things tend not to stand up to investigation and attention, but they do have sticking power as accusations. He only has to hammer away at it until it's locked and then refer to it as 'established' later on when he goes for his next smear. If it were in the proper thread people wouldn't see the headline every time they look at the front page, the claims would be and could be revisited and dismissed, only the really involved and not easily fooled would see it instead of the casual observer where it might germinate in the back of their minds. So while the rule is quite clear, and the thread stickied so that there can be no confusion, he makes it its own thread anyway knowing full well what he is doing.

QFT.

His Kenyan half-brother says that Obama has a Muslim background.
You didn't know he had a muslim father, hence a "muslim background"?

Oh, I get it. Wink wink, nudge nudge, eh?

Tell me, why are you consistently lying about this? Its the second time we've had you splatter it around a thread, and it was dealt with comprehensively the first time....

You might also explain why you dissappeared from this thread.....
you seem to have made a number of assertions which don't hold up to scrutiny there too....... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558737&page=3)

Par for the course for Deep Kimchi

Tell me, why are you consistently lying about this?

because dk is at best a trolling group name, and at their word, a bunch of fucking fascists. i mean, come on, at least one member of the dk collective has openly and repeatedly called for genocide of muslims.

Indeed it does. But you see, that wouldn't have the widest most effective spread. See, this will get closed by Ardie as soon as she sees it and that will end the discussion, which works wonders for the smear, because these things tend not to stand up to investigation and attention, but they do have sticking power as accusations. He only has to hammer away at it until it's locked and then refer to it as 'established' later on when he goes for his next smear. If it were in the proper thread people wouldn't see the headline every time they look at the front page, the claims would be and could be revisited and dismissed, only the really involved and not easily fooled would see it instead of the casual observer where it might germinate in the back of their minds. So while the rule is quite clear, and the thread stickied so that there can be no confusion, he makes it its own thread anyway knowing full well what he is doing.
Thread title should read "DK tries to smear Obama". That would be correct.

Tell me, why are you consistently lying about this? Its the second time we've had you splatter it around a thread, and it was dealt with comprehensively the first time....

You might also explain why you dissappeared from this thread.....
you seem to have made a number of assertions which don't hold up to scrutiny there too....... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558737&page=3)
Business as usual, and standard operating procedure from that poster.

The definition of a smear is a truth pointed at a liberal.

Don't you think the Obama people check these out? If these were plants you would hear it for sure. But hey, to those who are true believers, everything is a conspiracy. There will never be enough proof to convince you.



They aren't Republicans. They allow people who don't tow the party line to speak their minds. The problem with that is what? That some idiot might think Obama wrote it or agrees with it? Show me Obama himself saying these things and you might have a point. Right now you got nothing.

The definition of a smear is a truth pointed at a liberal.

What truth?

He has never denied attending a Muslim school. He also, at one point, attended a Catholic school. Does that make him a secret Catholic?


Don't tell the women on the View. Most of them hate Catholics.

What truth?

That Obama has a muslim background, that Obama associates with known terrorists, that Obama attended a racist church for over 20 years, et al.

Don't tell the women on the View. Most of them hate Catholics.

Okay, if you're going to just make absurd and idiotic claims here, I might as well start posting recipes.

Do you have a point?

Do you have proof?

Do you have any reason to be here making these claims?

That Obama has a muslim background, that Obama associates with known terrorists, that Obama attended a racist church for over 20 years, et al.

Seems the definition of the truth is unsupported claims made by a conservative

UpwardThrust could probably give them some pointers on how to run a website secure from being comically redone.

Possibly, actually very probably with a bit of time.

But if I understand the first "hack" it was simply someone posting information on his website using built in functionality. Sure choosing that functionality opened them up to being able to comment on things but that was not a "hack" they used the functionality as intended with a message that was not intended

Saying that it was insecure because of that is like saying that this forum is insecure because moderators have to go back and delete posts. No it is functioning as intended, just some people choose to use it.


As for this second one I would really have to look at what was done (have not had time at work to track down all the details)

That Obama has a muslim background, that Obama associates with known terrorists, that Obama attended a racist church for over 20 years, et al.

False, false, false, false.

Not that it WOULD matter if he HAD a Muslim background, the fact is he doesn't.

By your definition of associating, McCain associates with known Nazis.

Not only the church he attended isn't racist, Obama renounced Wright.

Et al.

There is no point for you in trying to win against me. My arguing style is that good. Yours is that poor.

And here we have another rehashed thread where Kimchi points and screams, "LOOK! OBAMA IZ TEH EBIL MOZLEM!! STE-RI-LIZE!! STE-RI-LIZE!!"

Seems the definition of the truth is unsupported claims made by a conservative

no way man! he read it in a blog somewhere

False, false, false, false.



There is no point for you in trying to win against me. My arguing style is that good. Yours is that poor.

Your right, your typical shout down the opposition is just brilliant debate. Keep up the good work. We'll se how it works out for the leftist come January when yet another "Nazi" is inagurated.

Your right, your typical shout down the opposition is just brilliant debate. Keep up the good work. We'll se how it works out for the leftist come January when yet another "Nazi" is inagurated.

To be actual opposition to him you would have had to actually make a valid point by backing your claim with facts that support the theory.

When you fail to make a legit point there is no reason to do anything but oppose you directly

Your right, your typical shout down the opposition is just brilliant debate. Keep up the good work. We'll se how it works out for the leftist come January when yet another "Nazi" is inagurated.

You could come back with proof - that is... if there actually was any.

As it is you just look like a conspiracy nut.

no way man! he read it in a blog somewhere
Well, in that case......
Your right, your typical shout down the opposition is just brilliant debate. Keep up the good work. We'll se how it works out for the leftist come January when yet another "Nazi" is inagurated.

You're doing a much better job, making claims and then failing to back them up. Good stuff, you've convinced us all.

:rolleyes:

Your right, your typical shout down the opposition is just brilliant debate. Keep up the good work. We'll se how it works out for the leftist come January when yet another "Nazi" is inagurated.

You mean before or after I posted the four points debunking your claims, which you chose to ignore?

Evil won't win this time. Obama will get elected.

You mean before or after I posted the four points debunking your claims, which you chose to ignore?

Evil won't win this time. Obama will get elected.

You debunked nothing except the rumor that you have any idea what Obama is really about.

You debunked nothing except the rumor that you have any idea what Obama is really about.

You see, the reason why I can safely say I won this argument is because I have points and you don't. All you can do is trying to convince yourself that I somehow know less than you do (as if that's possible), while trying to smear me in order to keep your preconceived notions safe. I made points. You didn't.

You lost the argument. I won the argument.

AP reports this:

"At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisi, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather.
The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering _ Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Gibbs said he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim."

Sure sounds like a muslim background to any one who is not a biased hack.

AP reports this:

"At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisi, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather.
The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering _ Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Gibbs said he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim."

Sure sounds like a muslim background to any one who is not a biased hack.

And this couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Indonesia is a predominantly Muslim country and that Obama's stepfather was involved in politics? Nothing at all, right?

Obama associates with known terrorists.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

Like many of the most extreme figures from the 1960s Ayers and Dohrn are ambiguous figures in American life.

They disappeared in 1970, after a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally destroyed a Greenwich Village townhouse, and turned themselves into authorities in 1980. They were never prosecuted for their involvement with the 25 bombings the Weather Underground claimed; charges were dropped because of improper FBI surveillance.

Both have written and spoken at length about their pasts, and today he is an advocate for progressive education and a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago; she’s an associate professor of law at Northwestern University.

But — unlike some other fringe figures of the era — they’re also flatly unrepentant about the bombings they committed in the name of ending the war, defending them on the grounds that they killed no one, except, accidentally, their own members.

Dohrn, however, was jailed for less than a year for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating other Weather Underground members’ robbery of a Brinks truck, in which a guard and two New York State Troopers were killed.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001. "


That wouls be September 11th, 2001, to be precise.

AP reports this:

"At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisi, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather.
The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering _ Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Gibbs said he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim."

Sure sounds like a muslim background to any one who is not a biased hack.

Even if a note in his enrollment papers when he was about 5 meant anything, even if he were a Muslim, so fucking what?

Even if a note in his enrollment papers when he was about 5 meant anything, even if he were a Muslim, so fucking what?
So you have gone from "False!" to so what.

Which is it? Is it a lie, or something you don't care about?

great debate. I am glad we could do it.

Snip.

1- If Ayers were as "known a terrorist" as you claim, he'd be in jail right now.

2- That article said nothing about Obama associating with him.

Poor, pointless, Mumkata dos.

So you have gone from "False!" to so what.

Which is it? Is it a lie, or something you don't care about?

great debate. I am glad we could do it.

If your reading abilities weren't so impaired by what you WANT to read, you'd notice that I STILL made the claim that it's false. "Even if his papers meant anything" means they DON'T.

I'm still the superior debater here. Not that, against you, it's something to brag about.

1- If Ayers were as "known a terrorist" as you claim, he'd be in jail right now.

2- That article said nothing about Obama associating with him.

Poor, pointless, Mumkata dos.

You are boring, and refuse to actually debate.

Obama has a muslim bakground, associates with known terrorists, and attended a racist church for more than 20 years, until it became a political liabilty. You cannot hide from truth.

You are boring, and refuse to actually debate.

Obama has a muslim bakground, associates with known terrorists, and attended a racist church for more than 20 years, until it became a political liabilty. You cannot hide from truth.

I'm debating.

You're tossing crap, hoping it sticks and calling it debating.

As for calling me boring, kiddo, your arguing abilities are so beneath me that I literally know I could out-argue in my sleep. Which is what you're about to cause if you keep on making statements without backing them up and calling it debating, especially against someone so superior to you as myself.

You are boring, and refuse to actually debate.

Obama has a muslim bakground, associates with known terrorists, and attended a racist church for more than 20 years, until it became a political liabilty. You cannot hide from truth.

Did Obama choose his stated religion when he attended the school? No? Then I guess he never self-identified as Muslim did he? What, besides a checkmark on a school enrollment sheet gives Obama a Muslim background? His stepfather was one? On no the horror!


Was Obama involved in terrorism? Did he support others in their terrorist acts? No? What was his relationship with Ayers exactly? Oh something boring? I see.


How was Obamas church racist? Because there was once a preacher there who said a couple racist things? Have you ever watched the history channel when they talked about Nazis and played Hitlers speeches? Did those speeches make you racist by association? Did you vow to never watch the history channel again? Has Obama come out for or against racism?

There are a lot of people who are able to listen to a speech by, talk to, work beside or associate with other people that they don't fully agree with and still be able to have contrary ideas. Are you at all able to realize this?

Did Obama choose his stated religion when he attended the school? No? Then I guess he never self-identified as Muslim did he? What, besides a checkmark on a school enrollment sheet gives Obama a Muslim background? His stepfather was one? On no the horror!


Was Obama involved in terrorism? Did he support others in their terrorist acts? No? What was his relationship with Ayers exactly? Oh something boring? I see.


How was Obamas church racist? Because there was once a preacher there who said a couple racist things? Have you ever watched the history channel when they talked about Nazis and played Hitlers speeches? Did those speeches make you racist by association? Did you vow to never watch the history channel again? Has Obama come out for or against racism?

There are a lot of people who are able to listen to a speech by, talk to, work beside or associate with other people that they don't fully agree with and still be able to have contrary ideas. Are you at all able to realize this?

reagardless, the statement was "Obama has a muslim bakground, associates with known terrorists, and attended a racist church for more than 20 years" thus far, none of this has been disproven.

1- If Ayers were as "known a terrorist" as you claim, he'd be in jail right now.

Apparently your definition of "debate" means to denying known fact. Oh, and claiming you have "won" over and over. A simple check of Ayers background, and Obama's connection to him, would reveal the above statement as truth.

But hey, that's just my definition of debate. It requires that I actually know what I am talking about. So glad to see you are not confined by such petty concerns.

reagardless, the statement was "Obama has a muslim bakground, associates with known terrorists, and attended a racist church for more than 20 years" thus far, none of this has been disproven.

YOU have to prove those to be TRUE. WE don't have to prove it to be FALSE. The burden of proof lies with the one making the statement, because no one can prove a negative.

But your lack of skill at this simple concept kinda shows why is it that I'm a better arguer than you.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System

No not racist at all.

Obama attended for 20 years.

:gundge:

Apparently your definition of "debate" means to denying known fact. Oh, and claiming you have "won" over and over. A simple check of Ayers background, and Obama's connection to him, would reveal the above statement as truth.

But hey, that's just my definition of debate. It requires that I actually know what I am talking about. So glad to see you are not confined by such petty concerns.

Why is Ayers not in jail then? What connection does Obama have with Ayers then? In short, what is your point? I claim to have won the debate, and I did, because I have a point which stands to scrutiny. You do not.

Apparently your definition of "debate" means to denying known fact. Oh, and claiming you have "won" over and over.

Might as well bang your head against a wall. you get the same effect. A headache, and a wall that just ignores truth.

reagardless, the statement was "Obama has a muslim bakground, associates with known terrorists, and attended a racist church for more than 20 years" thus far, none of this has been disproven.


having someone say you are a muslim when you are not really doesn't give you a 'muslim background' - that is like saying you shook the hand of a muslim and so you have a muslim background - it makes absoluely no sense and is in no way damning. (DISPROVEN)

Having worked on some boring perfectly legal thing with someone who was an anti-war radical when they were 8 years old doesn't make them terrorist sympathizers. You are trying to say otherwise and this has been (DISPROVEN)

Having a racist at a church doesn't make the church racist. There were a lot of racists in the Republican party and there still are. This makes the racists racist, not the Republican party. Therefore (DISPROVEN)

None of these things are damning for Obama. You are obviously trying to make him look bad so why not use something that actually does the trick. If you can find anything.


Thanks for playing.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System

No not racist at all.

Obama attended for 20 years.

:gundge:

1- No, not racist unless you can spot any place where they say blacks are superior and shouldn't mix with whites.

2- Well, considering McCain is supported by a college that's against interracial couples, wanna press on this charge?

Might as well bang your head against a wall. you get the same effect. A headache, and a wall that just ignores truth.

That's because you're not telling any truths. You're lying, smearing and calling it arguing, all the while having your ass handed to you by me.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System

No not racist at all.

Obama attended for 20 years.

:gundge:

You'll have to show us how black values are racist.

having someone say you are a muslim when you are not really doesn't give you a 'muslim background' - that is like saying you shook the hand of a muslim and so you have a muslim background - it makes absoluely no sense and is in no way damning. (DISPROVEN) But attending a muslim school, identified as a muslim gives you a muslim background. {Proven}

Having worked on some boring perfectly legal thing with someone who was an anti-war radical when they were 8 years old doesn't make them terrorist sympathizers. You are trying to say otherwise and this has been (DISPROVEN)Beggin for political approval at the alter of terrorists does make you a sympathizer {proven}

Having a racist at a church doesn't make the church racist. There were a lot of racists in the Republican party and there still are. This makes the racists racist, not the Republican party. Therefore (DISPROVEN)Having a racist pastor at the church you attend for 20 years, preaching hatred and racism, means you attend a racist church.{Proven}

None of these things are damning for Obama. You are obviously trying to make him look bad so why not use something that actually does the trick. If you can find anything.


Thanks for playing.All of these thing prove that Obama is untruthful, and is hiding his past. They are dammning, and you saying that it is not true does not change a thing.

Nice Try (not really, but i try to be polite)

You'll have to show us how black values are racist.

I suppose if somone espouses white values and claims to support the white race to the exclusion of other races, you would pat them on the back, right?

:headbang:

Hypocrisy

But attending a muslim school, identified as a muslim gives you a muslim background. {Proven}

Beggin for political approval at the alter of terrorists does make you a sympathizer {proven}

Having a racist pastor at the church you attend for 20 years, preaching hatred and racism, means you attend a racist church.{Proven}

All of these thing prove that Obama is untruthful, and is hiding his past. They are dammning, and you saying that it is not true does not change a thing.

Nice Try (not really, but i try to be polite)

1- No, no it doesn't, any more than attending a Catholic school gives you a Catholic background.

2- He didn't beg for political approval at the altar of any terrorist. You have to prove he did.

3- No it doesn't, unless you prove that the pastor's views were exposed in most, or even many, of its sermons.

4- You've just been proven wrong in the three prior remarks, which would be the base for the fourth.

Yours isn't even a nice try. It's more like a five-year-old trying to play Bach in a toy piano.

I suppose if somone espouses white values and claims to support the white race to the exclusion of other races, you would pat them on the back, right?

:headbang:

Hypocrisy

See the bolded part?

You have to prove that's the case. You didn't.

Karl Rove's out of the picture but his disciples live on.

Gawd, it's funny when everyone focuses on trying to hype up "Obama iz teh ebil mozlem" as if they believe the nation would be dense enough to think that's a bigger threat to the country than 4 More Years of Bushevism Via Proxy.

Karl Rove's out of the picture but his disciples live on.

Gawd, it's funny when everyone focuses on trying to hype up "Obama iz teh ebil mozlem" as if they believe the nation would be dense enough to think that's a bigger threat to the country than 4 More Years of Bushevism Via Proxy.

Bush Derangement Syndrome never ceases to be funny.

But attending a muslim school, identified as a muslim gives you a muslim background. {Proven}

Beggin for political approval at the alter of terrorists does make you a sympathizer {proven}

Having a racist pastor at the church you attend for 20 years, preaching hatred and racism, means you attend a racist church.{Proven}

All of these thing prove that Obama is untruthful, and is hiding his past. They are dammning, and you saying that it is not true does not change a thing.

Nice Try (not really, but i try to be polite)

I see, so you wish to cover your ears and go "lalalalalalalalalala - he's a muslim terrorist racist" - I suppose there is no way to reason with you

and I won't lie. That wasn't a nice try, that was pathetic.

Have you ever watched the history channel when they talked about Nazis and played Hitlers speeches? Did those speeches make you racist by association? Did you vow to never watch the history channel again? Has Obama come out for or against racism?

The History Channel didn't marry me to my wife, didn't perform my children's baptism, and it is not something that "keeps me grounded". Nor have I listened to Hitler's rants for 20 years.

You may be impervious to these connections and you have your marching orders to "fight the smears" but these truths will be revealed, no doubt with more to follow, and your beloved Messiah Obama will not be President.

And that's a Good Thing.

Bush Derangement Syndrome never ceases to be funny.

At least Bush actually did something to deserve it: He attacked a country unprovoked, tried in all ways possible to make the world a worse place for anyone different from him, etc.

YOUR Obama derangement syndrome, however, is based on rumors you refuse to prove, and that's just plain sad.

I see, so you wish to cover your ears and go "lalalalalalalalalala - he's a muslim terrorist racist" - I suppose there is no way to reason with you

and I won't lie. That wasn't a nice try, that was pathetic.

This is typical of NSers on the losing end of an debate. Oversimplify complex debates, insult, and laugh.

The end result is always the same. You come off looking foolish.

Obama has a muslim background - Fact

Obama associates with know domestic terrorists - Fact

Obama attended a racist church for 20 years - Fact

Good day

Bush Derangement Syndrome never ceases to be funny.

Indeed. This malady strips the poor victim of any sense of humor, truth, context, and reality. Poor bastards.

The History Channel didn't marry me to my wife, didn't perform my children's baptism, and it is not something that "keeps me grounded". Nor have I listened to Hitler's rants for 20 years.

You may be impervious to these connections and you have your marching orders to "fight the smears" but these truths will be revealed, no doubt with more to follow, and your beloved Messiah Obama will not be President.

And that's a Good Thing.

You seem to think that Wright gave a race speech in the church every single day. Or even most, or many times.

Obama will be President, the world will once again be safe from Republicans, THAT is a good thing and there's nothing you can do to stop it. And it makes you so angry that you won't have another administration full of hate for anything that's not WASP, which is why you're increasingly desperate.

Poor thing.

I suppose if somone espouses white values and claims to support the white race to the exclusion of other races, you would pat them on the back, right?

:headbang:

Hypocrisy

If whites were a repressed minority I would. They aren't Blacks are. Do you deny this?

Oh wait, look who I am askign for an intellectually honest answer.

Also, If you read all of the black values, you would have noticed that they aren't excluding but rather including the rest of humanity as well in who they wish to uplift.

The Pope of Hope will defeat all!!!!

I suppose we will not be allowed to gloat too much when Obama loses, just like in 04 with Kerry

If whites were a repressed minority I would. They aren't Blacks are. Do you deny this?

Oh wait, look who I am askign for an intellectually honest answer.

Also, If you read all of the black values, you would have noticed that they aren't excluding but rather including the rest of humanity as well in who they wish to uplift.

Don't you understand that blacks are allowed to be ignorant racists? They have earned it dammit!

Indeed. This malady strips the poor victim of any sense of humor, truth, context, and reality. Poor bastards.

Meanwhile you seem mute on the fact that McCain actively sought out the endorsement of a pastor that claimed Jewish souls are dead.

The Pope of Hope will defeat all!!!!

I suppose we will not be allowed to gloat too much when Obama loses, just like in 04 with Kerry

Americans are smarter than that. They'll elect Obama and cleanse the White House of Republicans once and for all.

Indeed. This malady strips the poor victim of any sense of humor, truth, context, and reality. Poor bastards.

It's only a laugh riot if you happen to be a Bushevik. The rest of the world tends to find it a sobering analysis of just how much of a trainwreck Your Beloved Dear Leader has managed to turn the United States and Iraq into, just like how he trainwrecked all three businesses Daddy put him in charge of.

Indeed. This malady strips the poor victim of any sense of humor, truth, context, and reality. Poor bastards.
I never cease finding them amusing in thier childlike fear of the boogeyman Bush.

The History Channel didn't marry me to my wife, didn't perform my children's baptism, and it is not something that "keeps me grounded". Nor have I listened to Hitler's rants for 20 years.

You may be impervious to these connections and you have your marching orders to "fight the smears" but these truths will be revealed, no doubt with more to follow, and your beloved Messiah Obama will not be President.

And that's a Good Thing.


So show me how Obama has said or done anything racist and I will show you two examples where he fights against racism. I bet I win.

Also, you are pretty rude and use wild unsupported rhetoric, but I will indulge you this one time. I don't expect to see you come back with anything civil though, so don't try too hard, I don't want you getting a headache.

Please point to where I called Obama my messiah or even have come close to doing such.

Please prove Obama was there to hear Wrights racist remarks. Are you suggesting that every single sermon by Wright was racist in nature? Obama has since denounced Wrights racist remarks as hurtful right? So, how does this reflect badly on Obama? It doesn't? oh.

But attending a muslim school, identified as a muslim gives you a muslim background. {Proven}
Still unproven. I may think that Obama has a "muslim background", but that's a question of definitions for my part. But regardless, attending a public school and having your parent file your enrollment papers and check "muslim" does not prove a muslim background.

Beggin for political approval at the alter of terrorists does make you a sympathizer {proven}
That statement is both unfounded and unproven.

Having a racist pastor at the church you attend for 20 years, preaching hatred and racism, means you attend a racist church.{Proven}
And this is false too. Having a racist at a church, even as a preaching pastor, doesn't make the church racist.

All of these thing prove that Obama is untruthful, and is hiding his past. They are dammning, and you saying that it is not true does not change a thing.
They aren't damming, they're only trivial attempts at swiftboating. And you are clearly completely wrong.

You seem to think that Wright gave a race speech in the church every single day. Or even most, or many times.

Obama will be President, the world will once again be safe from Republicans, THAT is a good thing and there's nothing you can do to stop it. And it makes you so angry that you won't have another administration full of hate for anything that's not WASP, which is why you're increasingly desperate.

Poor thing.

Ummm... Bush has had one of the most diverse administrations in history. It is the Democrat party that enforced and promoted racism for most of its existence.

Please, at least have some of your stupidity grounded in reality.

The great thing is that most Obama cultists, like the idiot I quoted above, speak in language dripping with religious reverence. They really do believe Obama will, as his bitter, anti-American wife says, "heal our souls". He is their Redeemer. That alone should make you shudder when you consider an Obama Presidency.

Meanwhile you seem mute on the fact that McCain actively sought out the endorsement of a pastor that claimed Jewish souls are dead.

Two televangelists. That also collectively declared that Hurricane Katrina was God's Punishment™ on New Orleans for condoning homosexuality, that Adolf Hitler was the best thing for Jews since unleavened bread, and that Christianity should rise up en masse and exterminate all Muslims.

But hey, that's the kind of stuff the Liberal Media™ would broadcast and harp on repeatedly to persecute Real Americans™... oh wait, they didn't.

Two televangelists. That also collectively declared that Hurricane Katrina was God's Punishment™ on New Orleans for condoning homosexuality, that Adolf Hitler was the best thing for Jews since unleavened bread, and that Christianity should rise up en masse and exterminate all Muslims.

But hey, that's the kind of stuff the Liberal Media™ would broadcast and harp on repeatedly to persecute Real Americans™... oh wait, they didn't.

Thanks. :D

Meanwhile you seem mute on the fact that McCain actively sought out the endorsement of a pastor that claimed Jewish souls are dead.

He denounce that pastor whose church he never belonged to for 20 years. In Obamaland that makes your statement false and you can never prove it.

What is also funny is that you morons argue that what a pastor says makes no difference and then turn around and claim that McCain's pastor is far worse. You have become a mockery of yourself.

But hey, claim you won the thread again! I am sure the rush of such a victory inspires Obama fans everywhere. You go girl!

Still unproven. I may think that Obama has a "muslim background", but that's a question of definitions for my part. But regardless, attending a public school and having your parent file your enrollment papers and check "muslim" does not prove a muslim background.


That statement is both unfounded and unproven.


And this is false too. Having a racist at a church, even as a preaching pastor, doesn't make the church racist.


They aren't damming, they're only trivial attempts at swiftboating. And you are clearly completely wrong.

Nice try, but you have still disproven nothing. Obama is dihonest and stole the election from Clinton. /he will not get another chance, irregardless of your diety worship.

Don't you understand that blacks are allowed to be ignorant racists? They have earned it dammit!

So then I guess you can't deny what I said. As usual you got nothing. Like I'm surprised.

This is typical of NSers on the losing end of an debate. Oversimplify complex debates, insult, and laugh.

The end result is always the same. You come off looking foolish.

Obama has a muslim background - Fact

Obama associates with know domestic terrorists - Fact

Obama attended a racist church for 20 years - Fact

Good day
Oh, I just had to add: You're wrong here as well. Especially the bolded part...

I never cease finding them amusing in thier childlike fear of the boogeyman Bush.

A Bogeyman that has virtually ordered the destabilization of the Middle East, attempted to subvert or outright ignore the Constitution, has turned a budget surplus into a deficit, and is pushing for permanent tax cuts to the wealthiest percentage of the nation while there's the subprime mortgage crisis about to burst like John Hurt's chest at the Nostromo Dinner Party.

And his one-time opponent McCain is now a senile zombie drone pledging to continue the trainwreck Bushenomics for at least 4 More Years.

Riiight. Bogeyman are just figments of the imagination that can't do any actual damage. Bush is a real disaster who'll leave behind a gaping scar in geopolitics for years to come, if not more.

Ummm... Bush has had one of the most diverse administrations in history. It is the Democrat party that enforced and promoted racism for most of its existence.

Please, at least have some of your stupidity grounded in reality.

The great thing is that most Obama cultists, like the idiot I quoted above, speak in language dripping with religious reverence. They really do believe Obama will, as his bitter, anti-American wife says, "heal our souls". He is their Redeemer. That alone should make you shudder when you consider an Obama Presidency.

Meanwhile that same administration pushed for the interests of ONLY WASPs at the expense of anything else.

Also, you keep on making claims you can't back up. "Anti-American wife", calling me an idiot for disagreeing with you, and so on. Will you play nice or shall we go to moderation over this?

It's not about him being Obama, it's about him not being a Republican.

HEY EVERYONE! LOOK AT ME MAKING UNPROVEN CLAIMS! I THINK I'M DEBATING!

Aww, aren't you precious.

So then I guess you can't deny what I said. As usual you got nothing. Like I'm surprised.

Let's use your logic: prove that blacks are oppressed in the America of today.

If anyone has oppressed the blacks and driven them into crime and poverty it is the Democrat party.

Oh, I just had to add: You're wrong here as well. Especially the bolded part...

No unh, your wrong.

What, are we toddlers?

Your inablity to disprove anything I have said without resorting to name calling and changing the subject is pathetic.

It's not about him being Obama, it's about him not being a Republican.

Worse. It's about him not being a Bushevik.

Your inablity to disprove anything I have said without resorting to name calling and changing the subject is pathetic.

You have to prove YOUR claims. We don't have to disprove anything until you actually sustain your claims with anything resembling a fact. So far, you've been unable to prove a single claim you make about Obama.

Worse. It's about him not being a Bushevik.

That is ingenius! "Bushevik"! That is almost as clever as "Bushitler"! Please use that term as many times as you can!

But hey, don't you leftists like Bolsheviks?

They aren't damming, they're only trivial attempts at swiftboating. And you are clearly completely wrong.

And remember, to the bitter Kerry backers (Democrats), "swiftboating" means to tell the truth.

And remember, to the bitter Kerry backers (Democrats), "swiftboating" means to tell the truth.

But making up fake quotes, and then replying to them is whitty debate tactics.

And remember, to the bitter Kerry backers (Democrats), "swiftboating" means to tell the truth.

And in your vocabulary "truth" means "whatever I see fit".

So, let's check who here is lacking in their vocabulary.

But making up fake quotes, and then replying to them is whitty debate tactics.

What fake quotes? Oh, and this is not a debate.

But hey, don't you leftists like Bolsheviks?

I don't know, don't you rightists like Nazis?

What fake quotes? Oh, and this is not a debate.

Yes it is, you just happen to be losing it.

I don't know, don't you rightists like Nazis?

The Nazis were leftists. National SOCIALISM. Get it? Just because the Commies didn't like that Nazis doesn't mean they weren't both leftists.

Yes it is, you just happen to be losing it.

Whatever gets you through the night.

The Nazis were leftists. National SOCIALISM. Get it? Just because the Commies didn't like that Nazis doesn't mean they weren't both leftists.

Considering what they ACTUALLY stood for, you and me both know they were an extreme RIGHT group.

That YOU are the one calling ME an idiot in face of these facts is just laughable.

Let's use your logic: prove that blacks are oppressed in the America of today.

If anyone has oppressed the blacks and driven them into crime and poverty it is the Democrat party.


You really need proof of this? Then, I'm sorry but you are too blind to see the obvious an no amount of proof will dissuade you. The fact that blacks are having an easier time now than they did 10 or 20 years ago might mask the problems some are facing today for you, but be it willful ignorance or unwillful, I think you will be beyond help until you yourself decide to open your eyes and take an honest look.

I'm almost willing to bet that you think whites are being oppressed en masse by the minorities of today and think that Obama is going to enslave the white race and start a pro-terrorism cabinet as he imposes sharia law on the US. You seem pretty susceptible to the republican kool aid you are obviously gulping down.

I'm still waiting for your responses from my earlier challenges to your unsupported claims. You seem to have conveniently skipped over them.

What fake quotes? Oh, and this is not a debate.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13766993&postcount=111

This one. This is pathetic.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13766993&postcount=111

This one. This is pathetic.

Well, so far, all you HAVE done is make claims, not bother to prove them, and call it debating. So, I stand by my statement.

Hey Frogs, this debate is over, you lost, get over it.

:p

No seroiusly, you lost, can't you tell. None of the salient points have been disproven, and you have been called a Nazi. On NS, that means you lose.

I do recall him attending a madrassa when he lived in Indonesia. But that doesn't make him a Muslim, anymore than attending a Catholic school makes you Catholic.

Anyway, I don't think this makes him disqualified for President. This might actually be a point in his favor - he would know better how to deal with Muslim countries. I still prefer McCain, but I'm not convinced Obama would be a disaster.

The Nazis were leftists. National SOCIALISM. Get it? Just because the Commies didn't like that Nazis doesn't mean they weren't both leftists.

The Nazis said that Jews were inferior, that Aryans were the master race and that the Third Reich would last for a thousand years. Their saying it does not make it true.

I can't wait until the "whitey" tape comes out. Obama out!

Well, so far, all you HAVE done is make claims, not bother to prove them, and call it debating. So, I stand by my statement.

Why even argue and debate with a pair of Drudgeball champions? And that's assuming they're not puppet accounts- in which case the mutual petting could be considered masturbation.

Did you know that Obama's uncle liberated Auschwitz.

Obama is a liar, and he doesn't even know how many states are in the US.

http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/obama57stateflagpin.jpg

Obama's country.

Obama out!
Of what?

Nice try, but you have still disproven nothing.
That's where you fail. You see, the burden of proof isn't on me, it's on you. And you have failed to prove anything. So I don't have to disprove anything.

Obama is dihonest and stole the election from Clinton.
Fail. It was not stolen.

/he will not get another chance, irregardless of your diety worship.
Fail. Show me how I "worship" him, let alone support his candidacy.

I can't wait until the "whitey" tape comes out. Obama out!

You mean the tape that doesn't exist?

Hey, how hard could it be to fake it?

Oh, about as hard as one of McCain calling Obama a ******...

You mean the tape that doesn't exist?

Hey, how hard could it be to fake it?

No unh, your wrong.

What, are we toddlers?
Your behavious does support the theory that you are one, yes.

Your inablity to disprove anything I have said without resorting to name calling and changing the subject is pathetic.
What name calling?

I just pointed out that you were incorrect when you claimed that Sumamba Buwhan looked silly. And you've not stopped digging yet, btw.


Did you know that Obama's uncle liberated Auschwitz.

Obama is a liar, and he doesn't even know how many states are in the US.
Buchenwald. A mistake does not a liar make.

Obama is dihonest and stole the election from Clinton.

Tricksy Obama, he stole it from us precious.

I heard that she gave it away.

What name calling?

I just pointed out that you were incorrect when you claimed that Sumamba Buwhan looked silly. And you've not stopped digging yet, btw.

He's right about that one thing actually. You'll often find me standing in my Underoos yelling at a brick wall and expecting it to address my points. There's plenty of proof in just this one thread of that.


http://distractiblemind.ambulatorycomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/profile-img1-underoos.jpg

Well, he does have a muslim background, doesn't he? Didn't everyone know this before he got the nomination?

QFT.

I like how it scandalous to be remotely related to Islam. Really gives America that whole "Land of the Free" image.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...he'll be out of the election for sure!

He's right about that one thing actually. You'll often find me standing in my Underoos yelling at a brick wall and expecting it to address my points. There's plenty of proof in just this one thread of that.


http://distractiblemind.ambulatorycomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/profile-img1-underoos.jpg

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Where did you get my ID picture?

QFT.

I like how it scandalous to be remotely related to Islam. Really gives America that whole "Land of the Free" image.

You see, if anyone except Christians gets into power in America they'll turn it into a theocracy. It's a well known fact, just ask any right-wing pundit.

>.>

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Where did you get my ID picture?



is that you my long lost twin?


Also, wtf?, I am so moving to Brazil if that could be an ID picture.

He's right about that one thing actually. You'll often find me standing in my Underoos yelling at a brick wall and expecting it to address my points. There's plenty of proof in just this one thread of that.


http://distractiblemind.ambulatorycomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/profile-img1-underoos.jpg

Actually, as we've seen in other pictures of you, "silly" is the wrong word to use. Let's go with "scary" or "Frightening" ;)

is that you my long lost twin?


Also, wtf?, I am so moving to Brazil if that could be an ID picture.

Nah, it can't, sorry to burst your bubble. ;)

Actually, as we've seen in other pictures of you, "silly" is the wrong word to use. Let's go with "scary" or "Frightening" ;)

Ouch Gravlen


that really stings. I was hoping that one of the adjectives would have been "sexy" or hawtness"

Nah, it can't, sorry to burst your bubble. ;)

Caught you in a lie! Now everything you have ever said before becomes invalid. I win at arguing on the internet!

I'm still moving to Brazil. You beautiful people with your tiny swimsuits... :fluffle:

Caught you in a lie! Now everything you have ever said before becomes invalid. I win at arguing on the internet!

I'm still moving to Brazil. You beautiful people with your tiny swimsuits... :fluffle:

You do realize that we wear swimsuits pretty much like YOU do, right - for the beach, in the pool...

Ouch Gravlen


that really stings. I was hoping that one of the adjectives would have been "sexy" or hawtness"

Sorry, I should have used the qualifier "To small children". When it comes to adults, it's a completely different (and naughtier) matter :p ;) :fluffle:

AP reports this:

"At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisi, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather.
The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering _ Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Gibbs said he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim."

Sure sounds like a muslim background to any one who is not a biased hack.

AP reports this? With no link, how do we know AP reports this rather than you made it up?

I don't see how it matters.

Seriously, yeah. Why does anyone give a flying fuck what his religion is? He has good policy ideas and that's all that matters.

You do realize that we wear swimsuits pretty much like YOU do, right - for the beach, in the pool...

I've already learned that I cannot trust you so I choose to believe this is your office wear

http://www.capitalchicks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/aussie-bum.jpg

Sorry, I should have used the qualifier "To small children". When it comes to adults, it's a completely different (and naughtier) matter :p ;) :fluffle:


Small children aren't blinded by my exterior beauty and can see my dark soul draining all that is good from around me.

I've already learned that I cannot trust you so I choose to believe this is your office wear

http://www.capitalchicks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/aussie-bum.jpg

Oh, but it isn't! I'm UNEMPLOYED! IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE! HA! :p

As for attempting to attack Obama by association, need I remind you that McCain has associated himself, and WILLINGLY with people that called for a crusade, called Hitler a godsend, claimed Jews have "dead souls", are essentially Bush III, and so on, and so forth?
I am certainly no fan of McCain, but I would like to see your proof of the above claims.

AP reports this? With no link, how do we know AP reports this rather than you made it up?

Actually he is correct. It was reported by AP and also contradicted by AP.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200702130001

Showing us that the media suck at their job and we really have no good sources at all to rely upon. :(

Seriously, yeah. Why does anyone give a flying fuck what his religion is? He has good policy ideas and that's all that matters.

According to the Kimchiteers on NSG- including recent inductees Mumakata dos and The Smiling Frogs, being a Muslim means you're automatically an Al'Qaeda Sleeper Operative waiting for Osama Bin Ladin to broadcast a subliminal signal that makes you commit a suicide bombing in the middle of a city or do some other terroristy act.

Which of course is their roundabout way of saying that Barack Obama is Al'Qaeda's Dirty Muslim Manchurian Candidate who'll hand the United States over to Bin Ladin if he gets into the White House.

I am certainly no fan of McCain, but I would like to see your proof of the above claims.

The pastors he sought the support of. One called for a crusade against all Muslims and said Hitler was sent by God and Jews have "dead souls".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Hagee#Controversial_Views

There was another one with anti-Catholic views and more than a few that believe Katrina, 9/11 and other events are God's punishment for the pseudo-sin du jour...

Which of course is their roundabout way of saying that Barack Obama is Al'Qaeda's Dirty Muslim Manchurian Candidate who'll hand the United States over to Bin Ladin if he gets into the White House.

A delusion that has the potential to become very entertaining on 1/21/09, due to the fact that neocons will be going completely insane with fear created by such fantasies while the rest of us sane people laugh at them.

The pastors he sought the support of. One called for a crusade against all Muslims and said Hitler was sent by God and Jews have "dead souls".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Hagee#Controversial_Views

There was another one with anti-Catholic views and more than a few that believe Katrina, 9/11 and other events are God's punishment for the pseudo-sin du jour...

Rod Parsley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Parsley)

Isn't the Obama campaign smearing the entire religion of Islam by treating the suggestion that Obama is a Muslim as an insult? Granted it's untrue and the record should always be ste straight but that doesn't justify calling affiliation with a religion a smear.

Isn't the Obama campaign smearing the entire religion of Islam by treating the suggestion that Obama is a Muslim as an insult? Granted it's untrue and the record should always be ste straight but that doesn't justify calling affiliation with a religion a smear.

It becomes a smear when people use it as a bludgeon. The "Muslim" thing isn't a smear, the e-mails it's used in are.

You're correct in that a good thing to do would be saying "I'm not Muslim, not that there's anything wrong with that.", but that might open up a can of worms in the shape of people not finding his denial strong enough. I'd rather Obama set the record straight on 11/5, for now. And heck, the Muslims themselves seem to have other things to worry about.

The pastors he sought the support of. One called for a crusade against all Muslims and said Hitler was sent by God and Jews have "dead souls".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Hagee#Controversial_Views

There was another one with anti-Catholic views and more than a few that believe Katrina, 9/11 and other events are God's punishment for the pseudo-sin du jour...



If you read down the same link you posted you will find:

video of McCain at a Houston town hall meeting shows him stating, “Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee’s views, which I obviously do not,"


Now we know...neither candidate agrees with the views of their endorsing pastors. Proving once and for all big mouthed opinionated political pastors aren't worth much.

Rod Parsley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Parsley)

Thanks.

If you read down the same link you posted you will find:




Now we know...neither candidate agrees with the views of their endorsing pastors. Proving once and for all big mouthed opinionated political pastors aren't worth much.

I know it, you know it, the neocons here that try to use Wright as a bludgeon seem not to know it.

You see, the only way it would be acceptable for Wright to be used like this would be including McCain's pastors in the arguments against McCain. In order to be coherent, one either picks both or neither. I pick neither.

I know it, you know it, the neocons here that try to use Wright as a bludgeon seem not to know it.

You see, the only way it would be acceptable for Wright to be used like this would be including McCain's pastors in the arguments against McCain. In order to be coherent, one either picks both or neither. I pick neither.

Well there is one difference though. The pastors endorsing McCain are not his life long pastor. Wright is Obama's which bears more weight. Though no parishoner is responsible for a pastor's beliefs. Some do question supporting a pastor that is so controversial.

While McCain hasn't spent two decades supporting either Parsley or Hagee, the Obamas have supported Wright, long before Barrack was even politically known.

I am not saying Obama agrees with Wright, he has said that he doesn't. I am just saying the relationships are not exactly the same.

Beggin for political approval at the alter of terrorists does make you a sympathizer {proven}

So is McCain a racist sympathizer? McCain very literally specifically sought out the endorsement of Hagee and Parsley. I assume you denounce him for being a racist sympathizer, yes?

You're voting third-party one would assume. Obviously, you're not a hypocrite, are you?

If you read down the same link you posted you will find:




Now we know...neither candidate agrees with the views of their endorsing pastors. Proving once and for all big mouthed opinionated political pastors aren't worth much.

^this.

What we're arguing against is the rabid rants trying to make Obama guilty by association. Unfortunately, there are very few conservatives taht actually want to talk about policy. Instead they want to talk about trolls on Obama's website and various associations that EVERY politician has. Even by modern political standards, this election is sad.

Isn't the Obama campaign smearing the entire religion of Islam by treating the suggestion that Obama is a Muslim as an insult? Granted it's untrue and the record should always be ste straight but that doesn't justify calling affiliation with a religion a smear.

In the world as a whole Islam is not a smear. However in the United States, almost everyone associates Muslims with radical terrorists like Al'Qaeda and Osama Bin Ladin, Hezballah and Hamas. Obama's detractors will use Islam as a smear, insinuating that he is either a co-conspirator with the likes of Bin-Ladin or at the very least sympathetic or lenient on them.

Isn't the Obama campaign smearing the entire religion of Islam by treating the suggestion that Obama is a Muslim as an insult? Granted it's untrue and the record should always be ste straight but that doesn't justify calling affiliation with a religion a smear.

Lying about anyone is a smear. It would be fin for me to be homosexual, but if someone accused me of it, knowing it to be false, it would be a smear. That I KNOW there is nothing wrong with being homosexual is irrelevant. I would equally consider it a smear if someone lied and told people I was a girl or a doctor or like black licorice.

Lying about anyone is a smear. It would be fin for me to be homosexual, but if someone accused me of it, knowing it to be false, it would be a smear. That I KNOW there is nothing wrong with being homosexual is irrelevant. I would equally consider it a smear if someone lied and told people I was a girl or a doctor or like black licorice.

...you don't like black licorice?!

...you don't like black licorice?!

Actually, I've seen him associate with a person who does like black licorice, which means that he must like it as well.

Actually, I've seen him associate with a person who does like black licorice, which means that he must like it as well.
The supermarket he shops in SELLS black licorice.

Need I say more..?

Why hasnt this been merged?

Actually he is correct. It was reported by AP and also contradicted by AP.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200702130001

Showing us that the media suck at their job and we really have no good sources at all to rely upon. :(

For once, I agree with you. I wouldn't have expected AP to be so shoddy in their research.:headbang:

The supermarket he shops in SELLS black licorice.

Need I say more..?

Yeah, you need to say "I win this thread", because that's what you just did. :D

Well there is one difference though. The pastors endorsing McCain are not his life long pastor. Wright is Obama's which bears more weight. Though no parishoner is responsible for a pastor's beliefs. Some do question supporting a pastor that is so controversial.

While McCain hasn't spent two decades supporting either Parsley or Hagee, the Obamas have supported Wright, long before Barrack was even politically known.

I am not saying Obama agrees with Wright, he has said that he doesn't. I am just saying the relationships are not exactly the same.

It's not about the intensity, it's about the principle behind guilt by association.

Small children aren't blinded by my beastly sexuality and can see my dark soul draining all that is good from around me.
Fixed.

And I still do wonder what's happening below the frame...

Isn't the Obama campaign smearing the entire religion of Islam by treating the suggestion that Obama is a Muslim as an insult? Granted it's untrue and the record should always be ste straight but that doesn't justify calling affiliation with a religion a smear.

They aren't calling an affiliation with a religion the smear - Claiming that Obama is lying and trying to cover up his past is the smear.

Informing the ignorant that Obama ia lying and tyring to cover up his past is not smear, it is pointing out the flaws of a very bad candidate.

Informing the ignorant that Obama ia lying and tyring to cover up his past is not smear, it is pointing out the flaws of a very bad candidate.

Except you're not doing that.

Informing the ignorant that Obama ia lying and tyring to cover up his past is not smear, it is pointing out the flaws of a very bad candidate.

Except you have yet to prove any allegations you made. So, no, you have no point.

Also, I'll be happy to remind you that you're powerless to keep Obama out of the White House.

You can't do a thing. It'll happen regardless of your will.

Powerless.

How does that make you feel?

Except you have yet to prove any allegations you made. So, no, you have no point.

Also, I'll be happy to remind you that you're powerless to keep Obama out of the White House.

You can't do a thing. It'll happen regardless of your will.

Powerless.

How does that make you feel?

Heikoku, would you stop being so arrogant please? If anyone here is powerless to actually affect the election, it's you. Mum here might be rather foolish, but at least he has the right to vote in our election. You don't. Therefore he does have power. It's not much, but he has it.

Heikoku, would you stop being so arrogant please?

No. :D

Also, considering the guy's rhetoric, odds are he lives in a deep-red state. Ergo, zero influence.

Aside from that you're right.