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ETA claim Basque AVE construction site attack!

News like this make me feel completely ashamed and saddened of how Spanish society is sinking into the muck.

Although I would like to see Euskal Herriá finally reach independence, the means by which the ETA organization is trying to reach said status is deplorable.

And even when I dislike the Lehendakari Ibarretxe, I agree with his statement: "quien amenaza y pone bombas" al tren y a las empresas "niega el progreso al pueblo vasco" (Whoever threatens and places bombs" on the train and on enterprises "denies progress to the Bsaque people").

ETA have admitted responsibility for a bomb attack on a construction site for the region's new AVE high-speed train network. Two mechanical diggers belonging to Aménabar, one of the companies contracted to carry out the work, were damaged by two small bombs that went off at 2.30am yesterday morning on a site in Hernani's Santa Bárbara district.

Several people living nearby reported the blast to the police, who immediately dispatched officers to investigate though the slightly damaged diggers did not come to light until shortly after 8am - by construction workers at the start of the morning shift (photo). ETA claimed the attack yesterday afternoon in a telephone call to the Vizcaya office of the DYA regional traffic help-line, that was made at 5.15pm.

Although this is the first time ETA itself has attacked the unpopular Basque high-speed train project, there have been several previous instances of 'kale borroka' vandalism and petty sabotage against offices and installations belonging to the various construction companies responsible for completing the new network, commonly referred to as the Basque 'Y' owing to its eventual shape.

http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/14933/eta-claim-basque-ave-construction-site-attack

Any comments?

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They didn't like the train? Why?

Why is ETA opposed to the new rail system? Have they said, or did they just blow it up for the hell of it?

That's what people who consider their country socialist get! :p Jk.


But why are they attacking the railroad? It' not making any sense. *Iz confused :confused:*

Why are you shocked? I thought ETA had been around since the 60s and killed plenty. Two bits of machinery seem like nothing really

well at least they are just attacking the construction sites I suppose

Why is ETA opposed to the new rail system?
Because they're pricks.
Have they said, or did they just blow it up for the hell of it?
:eek:

Nay, ETA never do such attacks for no reason, or to raise their members' ailing morale now that the region is semi-autonomous, and Franco, along with any reason to leave Spanish central control, has been dead for a long time.

Oh no. It's a strike for freedom. And to fight against the oppressive forces in Madrid. Yes.

Why are you shocked? I thought ETA had been around since the 60s and killed plenty. Two bits of machinery seem like nothing really

And it could be around for a 100 years and senseless acts of destruction connected to it will always shock me. Violence is not a means to achieve anything and the Spanish people are tired, we're absolutely tired, of ETA's shit.

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They didn't like the train? Why?

Because the train is being built by the Spanish government. They're the #1 enemy of Euskal Herriá's intent in being independent.

Nay, ETA never do such attacks for no reason, or to raise their members' ailing morale now that the region is semi-autonomous, and Franco, along with any reason to leave Spanish central control, has been dead for a long time.

Oh no. It's a strike for freedom. And to fight against the oppressive forces in Madrid. Yes.

Ditto. Terrorist organizations like ETA, IRA or Al Qaeda, to name some, never attack senselessly. There's always a purpose, be it political or religious behind their intents.

In ETA's case, this is an attack against the Spanish government.

Because the train is being built by the Spanish government. They're the #1 enemy of Euskal Herriá's intent in being independent.
Because the train is being built by the Spanish government? I say let them build their own train, if they can. :D

Because the train is being built by the Spanish government? I say let them build their own train, if they can. :D

That could solve the problem, provided Spain gives Euskal Herriá it's freaking independence. Of course, if that were to happen, I'm sure the Euskadi will turns their forces (ETA included) of becoming free from France.:p It's a never-ending cycle of shyte.

That could solve the problem, provided Spain gives Euskal Herriá it's freaking independence. Of course, if that were to happen, I'm sure the Euskadi will turns their forces (ETA included) of becoming free from France.:p It's a never-ending cycle of shyte.
Do the Basques really ant separation form Spain? I'm sure they contributed much to Spain, and Spain also contributed much to them... though I must say that language-wise, Spanish and Basque are far, far different.

Do the Basques really ant separation form Spain?

Yes. And Galicia, Catalunya and Asturias along with Euskadi.

I'm sure they contributed much to Spain, and Spain also contributed much to them...

What needs to be taken into consideration is that nationalism is very strong in Spain. And by that I mean you feel more attached to your province than to your country. Contributions aside, the land you're born in (regardless of it being in Spain) is first.

Example (and I've given this one several times):
I am an Asturian first and then I'm a Spaniard. It's the same feeling with the Euskadi.

Euskal Herriá is first in the heart to the Euskadi. Of course, most of them feel that Spain is of no importance whatsoever. Hence, the separatist movement is very strong. And it's being like that for centuries. The Euskadi have always felt that the Romans, and then the Spanish invaded their territory. The Euskadi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_%28historical_territory%29#History) are fierce in their national identity since Roman times.

though I must say that language-wise, Spanish and Basque are far, far different.

Euskera is not only different fron Spanish, it has no resemblance to any dialect spoken either in Spain or the rest of Europe. There's even evidence that suggests that their (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iru%C3%B1a-Veleia) language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquitanian_language) was already being spoken in the region since before the period of the Roman conquest of Hispania and Gallia.

Euskal Herria, like Quebec, Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Okinawa, and may others should be free...

Completely free - no support from the oppressors you just escaped...

And free to face the results of acts of war upon other states... ;)

What needs to be taken into consideration is that nationalism is very strong in Spain. And by that I mean you feel more attached to your province than to your country. Contributions aside, the land you're born in (regardless of it being in Spain) is first.

Example (and I've given this one several times):
I am an Asturian first and then I'm a Spaniard. It's the same feeling with the Euskadi.

It's the same in many places. When asked about my origins, I ID myself more as a Texan than as a US citizen. And for my residency, I'm rather the Naniwa/Kansai/Osaka pride fellow.



Euskal Herriá is first in the heart to the Euskadi. Of course, most of them feel that Spain is of no importance whatsoever. Hence, the separatist movement is very strong. And it's being like that for centuries. The Euskadi have always felt that the Romans, and then the Spanish invaded their territory. The Euskadi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_%28historical_territory%29#History) are fierce in their national identity since Roman times.

Euskera is not only different fron Spanish, it has no resemblance to any dialect spoken either in Spain or the rest of Europe. There's even evidence that suggests that their (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iru%C3%B1a-Veleia) language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquitanian_language) was already being spoken in the region since before the period of the Roman conquest of Hispania and Gallia.

That was my understanding.

Live and let live. Unless someone gets violent. Then things get nasty.

What needs to be taken into consideration is that nationalism is very strong in Spain. And by that I mean you feel more attached to your province than to your country. Contributions aside, the land you're born in (regardless of it being in Spain) is first.

Example (and I've given this one several times):
I am an Asturian first and then I'm a Spaniard. It's the same feeling with the Euskadi.

Euskal Herriá is first in the heart to the Euskadi. Of course, most of them feel that Spain is of no importance whatsoever. Hence, the separatist movement is very strong.
Ok I see. Regional autonomy not enough? They want another Czechoslovakia or another Yugoslavia?

I can understand about the Catalans, Galicians, and Basques, but you Asturians want to separate? You people started Spain after all! :p

It's amusing to see it because my country is like that too, but much more diverse: more than 70 languages, many ethnic groups (and ethnic stereotypes), identifying with province or region... yet we are still whole, glued together by Spain and named after one of your kings. :D We are "fractured" along religious lines, however.

Euskera is not only different fron Spanish, it has no resemblance to any dialect spoken either in Spain or the rest of Europe.
AFAIK Basque is a language isolate.

Euskal Herria, like Quebec, Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Okinawa, and may others should be free...

Completely free - no support from the oppressors you just escaped...

And free to face the results of acts of war upon other states... ;)

You know, I just realized that I didn't capatalise the name of ETA (Euskadi Ta Askatasuna). Therefore it reads as "Pain, pain, pain..." in Japanese.:p

And I agree with you on your statement.

Ok I see. Regional autonomy not enough? They want another Czechoslovakia or another Yugoslavia?

Yup, I guess that's what they want.

I can understand about the Catalans, Galicians, and Basques, but you Asturians want to separate? You people started Spain after all! :p

Asturies ye Asturies e lo demais ye tierriña conquistá! ;)

It's amusing to see it because my country is like that too, but much more diverse: more than 70 languages, many ethnic groups (and ethnic stereotypes), identifying with province or region... yet we are still whole, glued together by Spain and named after one of your kings. :D We are "fractured" along religious lines, however.

It the same with Spain. Before we became the country that you know nowadays, and the empire that conquered the Philipines (not gloating about it) and the Americas, we were a fractured set of provinces.

The South was under Moorish dominion, the North was a storm of provinces vying for control. And all these provinces, from Gibraltar to León and back again acquired an identity all of their own, characteristic of who they were before and after Roman conquest, before and after the Moorish invasion, and before and after Queen Isabel and King Fernando unified us as a country. This identity, be it Extremeña, Asturian, Sevillian, Madrilian even, and an extension, Asturias, León and Euskadi are what defined us, as a people then and now. Spain, as a whole, came much later.

AFAIK Basque is a language isolate.

Yup, an oddity among Europeans. I tried learning it, but I found it too complicated.

You know, I just realized that I didn't capatalise the name of ETA (Euskadi Ta Askatasuna). Therefore it reads as "Pain, pain, pain..." in Japanese.:p

And I agree with you on your statement.

Actually, "Eta" is a rather rude and old word for the burakumin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin), one of Japan's largest minority groups... (Yep. Japan has minorities, and they aren't just us whities. Ryukyuans, Koreans, Chinese, Ainu, and the Burakmin all have large populations...)

Actually, "Eta" is a rather rude and old word for the burakumin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin), one of Japan's largest minority groups... (Yep. Japan has minorities, and they aren't just us whities. Ryukyuans, Koreans, Chinese, Ainu, and the Burakmin all have large populations...)

I'm terribly sorry! I have always been under the impression that "eta" meant pain, in Japanese.:eek:

It's the same in many places. When asked about my origins, I ID myself more as a Texan than as a US citizen. And for my residency, I'm rather the Naniwa/Kansai/Osaka pride fellow.

Texans share that we us. They're fiercly proud of being Texans, then they're from the US. I'm Asturian, then I'm Spanish.;)

That was my understanding.

Live and let live. Unless someone gets violent. Then things get nasty.

Which is why ETA's actions, although not news to me, sadden me.

Yup, I guess that's what they want.
No love for federalism?

But still, AFAIK Catalans do not bomb public plazas, Galicians do not assassinate parliamentarians, or Castilians do not destroy trains... :confused:

Asturies ye Asturies e lo demais ye tierriña conquistá! ;)
No entiendo. :confused: Ang kahulugan ba niyan ay kayo ang sumakop sa buong lupain ng Espanya?
Yup, an oddity among Europeans. I tried learning it, but I found it too complicated.Different structure, unique grammar...

No love for federalism?

But still, AFAIK Catalans do not bomb public plazas, Galicians do not assassinate parliamentarians, or Castilians do not destroy trains... :confused:

I told you the Euskadi are fierce in their sentiment. Whereas the other provinces go through diplomatic channels, the Basque use senselss violence. Means to an end. Really sad.

No entiendo. :confused: Ang kahulugan ba niyan ay kayo ang sumakop sa buong lupain ng Espanya?

Asturias is Asturias and the rest is conquered land.;)

Different structure, unique grammar...

Different everything. Yes.

I told you the Euskadi are fierce in their sentiment. Whereas the other provinces go through diplomatic channels, the Basque use senselss violence. Means to an end. Really sad.
It's sad, I agree...

"Why can't we all just get together..." *sighs*

Asturias is Asturias and the rest is conquered land.;)
Oh, I see. I only got to the "Asturias is Asturias..." part.

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I'm terribly sorry! I have always been under the impression that "eta" meant pain, in Japanese.:eek:
You can always say that you meant the Greek letter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta). ;)

It's sad, I agree...

"Why can't we all just get together..." *sighs*

Exactly.

Oh, I see. I only got to the "Asturias is Asturias..." part.

Asturian isn't that hard to follow once you have a good grasp of Spanish. It has a lot of similarities to Portuguese and a few archaisms.

EDIT:

You can always say that you meant the Greek letter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta). ;)

Good idea. But in this case I meant to write the word as ETA and not as Eta, as it came out.:p