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As you have heard in late spring of 2008, a salmonella outbreak caused the removal of tomatoes from stores and restaurants across the United States. This what I dont get. The FDA said that tomatoes from states such as Ohio, Florida, ect are safe...Well if most of the U.S states tomatoes are safe then where is this coming from? MEXICO mybe. America used to have some of the best food systems in the world and now we have a thrid world saftey rate..


Do you think Importing key foods from Mexico, or China are safe and does it pose a threat to Americans?

As you have heard in late spring of 2008, a salmonella outbreak caused the removal of tomatoes from stores and restaurants across the United States. This what I dont get. The FDA said that tomatoes from states such as Ohio, Florida, ect are safe...Well if most of the U.S states tomatoes are safe then where is this coming from? MEXICO mybe. America used to have some of the best food systems in the world and now we have a thrid world saftey rate..

Do you think Importing key foods from Mexico, or China are safe and does it pose a threat to Americans?

Actually, any farming system or food shipment system can become contaminated.

We're hearing more about it now, because due to changes after 9/11, there is far more inspection of the food system in the US.

It also enables us to track back - there are now people and funds assigned to this purpose.

10 years ago, the government wouldn't have raised an eyebrow or done anything after a hundred or so salmonella cases. They'd say (if it even came to their attention) that it was a minor outbreak.

As long as food is inspected and held to standards, it's all good, no matter where it came from. The thing to remember is that every once in a while, something gets through.

Actually, any farming system or food shipment system can become contaminated.

We're hearing more about it now, because due to changes after 9/11, there is far more inspection of the food system in the US.

It also enables us to track back - there are now people and funds assigned to this purpose.

10 years ago, the government wouldn't have raised an eyebrow or done anything after a hundred or so salmonella cases. They'd say (if it even came to their attention) that it was a minor outbreak.

As long as food is inspected and held to standards, it's all good, no matter where it came from. The thing to remember is that every once in a while, something gets through.

But is it good that the FDA is lowering the standards....What about that whole beef clone idea?

But is it good that the FDA is lowering the standards....What about that whole beef clone idea?

You already commonly eat meat from twin calves.

A clone is the same thing. You're saying it's not safe to eat a twin of another calf?

They aren't lowering the standards. In fact, now that the CDC is involved in food safety, the standards are going up.

More food is being examined and tested for bacteria and other adulterants that are KNOWN to be hazardous.

As you have heard in late spring of 2008, a salmonella outbreak caused the removal of tomatoes from stores and restaurants across the United States. This what I dont get. The FDA said that tomatoes from states such as Ohio, Florida, ect are safe...Well if most of the U.S states tomatoes are safe then where is this coming from? MEXICO mybe. America used to have some of the best food systems in the world and now we have a thrid world saftey rate..


Do you think Importing key foods from Mexico, or China are safe and does it pose a threat to Americans?

Our food safety record is quite good. Remember, the media only reports the problems.

I don't buy (knowingly) imported food, partially because of the safety issues, but more importantly, because I believe in supporting local growers.

There is no possible way to ensure total 'food safety'.
You can reduce the chances, but you can never eliminate risk.

You can devote nearly all the GDP of a nation toward food inspection and you still will not completely eliminate food borne illness.

It is simply a matter of how much do you want to spend on the inspection of foods and enforcement of regulation. I suppose we could setup factories to produce 'nutrient bars' of heavily processed foods sealed in a sterile environment and ban all other sources of food. That might bring you close.

In a country of 300 million, a few hundred people getting salmonella is insignificant.

There is no possible way to ensure total 'food safety'.
You can reduce the chances, but you can never eliminate risk.

You can devote nearly all the GDP of a nation toward food inspection and you still will not completely eliminate food borne illness.

It is simply a matter of how much do you want to spend on the inspection of foods and enforcement of regulation. I suppose we could setup factories to produce 'nutrient bars' of heavily processed foods sealed in a sterile environment and ban all other sources of food. That might bring you close.

In a country of 300 million, a few hundred people getting salmonella is insignificant.

Probably best said by Mary Shafer.

But, no matter what you do, it will never be perfectly, 100% risk-free
to fly. Or to drive, or to walk, or to do anything.

One of our pilots here died when he waited too long to eject from a
spinning aircraft. He was wrong; he should have jumped out earlier.
He failed in his duty, IMO.

One of our engineers was walking his dog when a car driven by a kid
jumped the curb and hit him. Only his leg was broken. But he walks
his dog again, now. Who know better than him the danger?

There's no way to make life perfectly safe; you can't get out of it alive.

You can't even predict every danger. How can you guard against a hazard
you can't even conceive of?

I agree that the days of "kick the tires and light the fires" are gone,
but insisting on perfect safety is the single most reliable way of
killing an aerospace project.

I've been on both sides of the FRR (Flight Readiness Review) process
for a number of aeronautical projects. Experienced engineers try to
think of everything that can go wrong. But airplanes can still
surprise the best team.

I've had to sign a form, certifying that to the best of my knowledge
everything that we're going to do on a flight is safe. I've never
seriously asked myself "What will I say to the AIB (Accident
Investigation Board)" because once one starts on that, the form will
never be signed, the flight will never be flown, and the research will
never be done.

But I have asked myself "Have I told everybody exactly what we're
going to do and what the _known_ risks are and are we agreed that
these risks are acceptable" and when I can answer that "yes" I sign
the form. That also answers the question of what I'd say to the AIB.

I'm not talking about abstract theories here, I'm talking about test
pilots that I've known for decades. Believe me, I _know_ exactly what
the consequences of a mistake on my part could mean. The reminders
are all around me: Edwards AFB--killed in the XB-49, Lilly
Ave--first NASA pilot killed at what's now Dryden, Love Rd--I _saw_
Mike's burning F-4 auger into the lakebed, with him in it. But once
I've done my best, like everybody else on the team, it's time to go
fly the airplane.

Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
live in the real world.

--
Mary Shafer
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA
SR-71 Flying Qualities Lead Engineer

Our food safety record is quite good. Remember, the media only reports the problems.

I don't buy (knowingly) imported food, partially because of the safety issues, but more importantly, because I believe in supporting local growers.

You dont know where most food comes from.....:confused:

You dont know where most food comes from.....:confused:

Actually, if you want to be literal, I do. I worked on a farm for over 20 years.

I shop at Whole foods, their food is labelled as to source.

As you have heard in late spring of 2008, a salmonella outbreak caused the removal of tomatoes from stores and restaurants across the United States. This what I dont get. The FDA said that tomatoes from states such as Ohio, Florida, ect are safe...Well if most of the U.S states tomatoes are safe then where is this coming from? MEXICO mybe. America used to have some of the best food systems in the world and now we have a thrid world saftey rate..


Do you think Importing key foods from Mexico, or China are safe and does it pose a threat to Americans?

I don't think it is a country specifically.
The problems is lower work standards. Like not doing anything about the worker pissing on the produce he is about to pick.

Probably best said by Mary Shafer.
Hey! Do you know Mary? If so, we have a common friend.

Hey! Do you know Mary? If so, we have a common friend.

No, but among software developers she's famous.

No, but among software developers she's famous.
Oh... I try not to mess with software -- it's the devil's work. Maybe an FPGA or ASIC now and then, but having your name attached to anything less structured is a sure way to quit engineering and start coding for a living.

Anyhow, if you ever get a chance to meet her at a convention, take the opportunity.

We have some of the safest food in the world, we just have outbreaks of food born illness, just like every other country. We have one or two cases of mad cow, but those cows were imported from canada. Those cows were exterminated. But a lot of countries still won't buy our beef. Which is bull shit.

I don't buy American food myself mostly because it would be strange and unnecessary but I certainly won't be touching your beef or milk :p

though your pretty much at the whim of health inspectors either way

MEXICO mybe.?

what is it with Americans and blaming Mexicans for your problems? the San Andreas Fault etc

their food is labelled as to source.

and we all know how reliable that is ;)

I don't buy American food myself mostly because it would be strange and unnecessary but I certainly won't be touching your beef or milk :p

though your pretty much at the whim of health inspectors either way



what is it with Americans and blaming Mexicans for your problems? the San Andreas Fault etc



and we all know how reliable that is ;)

Whats wrong with our beef?

Whats wrong with our beef?

Look, you don't understand NS General yet. If you blame anyone except white Americans for <fill in the issue here> you're being a racist.

Whats wrong with our beef?

you pump it full of hormones so I wake up one morning with a pair of womans boobs ;)

that and your filthy freedom germs! (and poor standards of those that work in your beef industry)

Look, you don't understand NS General yet. If you blame anyone except white Americans for <fill in the issue here> you're being a racist.

don't be silly everyone knows humanity's problems stem from the Jews

still I won't stop you from bitching and moaning about how we always pick on you

don't be silly everyone knows humanity's problems stem from the Jews

**looks for the NS General Blame Spinner**

**looks for the NS General Blame Spinner**

here it is and it accepts all races and creeds :) (http://cemc2.math.uwaterloo.ca/mathfrog/images/spinner.gif)

*kicks David Dickinson's head in*

you pump it full of hormones so I wake up one morning with a pair of womans boobs ;)

that and your filthy freedom germs! (and poor standards of those that work in your beef industry)



don't be silly everyone knows humanity's problems stem from the Jews

still I won't stop you from bitching and moaning about how we always pick on you

You only have to worry about germs if you don't cook it. You can buy organic beef, without the hormornes, but its more expensive and is really stringy and gets stuck in your teeth more. Just suck it up and eat it. I''m just fine and I've been eating Beef since I was old enough to deigest it.

And Hotwife, I've been on general longer than you. I know that when I doubt, blame America.

You only have to worry about germs if you don't cook it. You can buy organic beef, without the hormornes, but its more expensive and is really stringy and gets stuck in your teeth more. Just suck it up and eat it. I''m just fine and I've been eating Beef since I was old enough to deigest it.

you do know freedom germs was in fun no? also I have never had any complaints with E.U/UK beef (apart from the madness) though your idea of sucking up and eating something which could very well prove harmful amuses me to no end

also E.U says no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormonal_meat)

And Hotwife, I've been on general longer than you. I know that when I doubt, blame America.

this is an odd attitude is it actually true?

you do know freedom germs was in fun no? also I have never had any complaints with E.U/UK beef (apart from the madness) though your idea of sucking up and eating something which could very well prove harmful amuses me to no end

also E.U says no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormonal_meat)



this is an odd attitude is it actually true?

What I meant was that quit whining and eat it. The EU also lost that hearing. There is no evidence that shows its harmful. Thats like syaing" I don't want to use a cell phone because they'res a hundred-trillion to one shot of me getting a brain tumor."

As you have heard in late spring of 2008, a salmonella outbreak caused the removal of tomatoes from stores and restaurants across the United States. This what I dont get. The FDA said that tomatoes from states such as Ohio, Florida, ect are safe...Well if most of the U.S states tomatoes are safe then where is this coming from? MEXICO mybe. America used to have some of the best food systems in the world and now we have a thrid world saftey rate..


Do you think Importing key foods from Mexico, or China are safe and does it pose a threat to Americans?
Where do you get the idea that the United States food system is now 3rd world? It's designed and run by people and people and people are not infallible. There's bound t be an outbreak of disease or a contamination of something every once in a while no matter how good th system and the people running it are.

A lot of 3rd world food is unregulated organic fertilized with cocktail of human and animal shit and usually results in the introduction of new, potentially harmful friends to your intestines and internal organs. Tap water here is clean, safe, reliable, and taste good enough to sell (which is just bottled water companies do, it's all tap water). 3rd world tap water, if they've even got the plumbing for it, can lead to rapid and severe weightloss and pissing or shitting blood.

God bless Jesusland.

Whats wrong with our beef?


Ask the South Koreans....they are the ones who protest eating it...here about all those riots.