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My child has effectively bypassed all the web filters I previously had, recently I downloaded glubble to her firefox, but she just now figured out how to bypass it and I can't get into my account to fix it (she's changed all the passwords, security questions, email address attached etc.)

I can just delete it and start over, but it will only take her about 10 minutes to do this again.

She actually does need internet access for school, and yes, she is continuing school in the summer.

I know there is a way to fix her browser so it will only go to approved sites. I don't know how to do it.

She has bypassed/broken/hacked 3 different firewalls and also bypassed 2 web filters.

Does anyone know of a way to stop her from screwing around when she should be working? Help?

Thats what you get for having a smart kid.


What kind of passwords did you use? Try a random password generator maybe?

Or break her fingers every time she tries to hack in. Either she'll learn, or she won't be able to type.

I don't think she has ADD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkzytidhP1M), but it is just as effective on children with out it

Thats what you get for having a smart kid.

Yeah, I know. :(

What kind of passwords did you use? Try a random password generator maybe?
I did a random p/w for glubble, but I think she told them she couldn't remember it and then had them email me and broke into my email and reset the password and then deleted the evidence.

Or break her fingers every time she tries to hack in. Either she'll learn, or she won't be able to type.
yeah, this sounds appealing except I already paid tuition for her.

what sort of internet sites do little girls bypass a firewall to access? :eek:

I suggest you avoid firewalls and just track what she has been looking at (administering a telling off for a no-no and such)

edit: or set the password to call to power is awesome

what sort of internet sites do little girls bypass a firewall to access? :eek:

I suggest you avoid firewalls and just track what she has been looking at (administering a telling off for a no-no and such)

edit: or set the password to call to power is awesome

http://tv.disney.go.com/disneychannel/hannahmontana/

yeah.

One question:

What sites is she getting onto? Just out of curiousity, because I think I have a program that blocks all sites with a certain tag... *Fervently searches files for the name of the program...*

ultimately if she is more commuter literate than you, you are probably better off punishing her for breaking the rules in a different way rather than fighting her on a playing field where she has the advantage... you could also take the nuclear option and tell her if she continues to violate your rules you will ban her from the computer whether she needs it for school or not... some students don't have home computers, public schools at least can't require children to have computer access at home.

where is her PC?

Seriously think about moving it....that is the only way....that she know you can see her working.

Otherwise you are playing a losing battle...

Yeah, I know. :(


I did a random p/w for glubble, but I think she told them she couldn't remember it and then had them email me and broke into my email and reset the password and then deleted the evidence.


yeah, this sounds appealing except I already paid tuition for her.

On machine filters are almost always problematic but they are also cheep.

Her method around the blocker that you proposed seems most likley as it probably required a change. what i would recomend is possibly doing the same setup but use an email with a randomly generate PW that you do not normally use.

For example make a yahoo or MSN or other alternitive account for only the purpose of this. Make sure passwords are not saved by FF (when in doubt create them in another account, FF does alright profiling now) and make sure it is randomly generated

That should prevent her from getting email password reset requests

My wife says:

Try www.ic3.gov. She suggested you should contact someone like that, and see if they want to give your lil girl a scholarship or something. :)

I agree - it's probably best to see if you can find some way to channel this, rather than shut it down. Firstly - because it could turn out to be useful (profitable?) later if she works at it, and secondly - because if you fight it... it sounds like she'll win. :)

Buy a keylogger, plug it in between the keyboard and tower, so you can track what she's doing - but I'd say let her get on with it. (But make sure she's aware that there are lines she didn't ought to cross... if the FBI start banging on the door, she's grounded).

There are some government records that I need to.....eh.....relocate. Does your daughter want to earn some extra pocket money?

Or... Tell the MCP to de-rez her. :)

She may be our only hope when the machines take over.

ultimately if she is more commuter literate than you, you are probably better off punishing her for breaking the rules in a different way rather than fighting her on a playing field where she has the advantage... you could also take the nuclear option and tell her if she continues to violate your rules you will ban her from the computer whether she needs it for school or not... some students don't have home computers, public schools at least can't require children to have computer access at home.
She's homeschooled. She's attending online classes at a local college. It's not that she's more computer literate than I am, it's just she's better at hacking into things than I thought she would be.....or even more motivated than I thought she would be.

where is her PC?

Seriously think about moving it....that is the only way....that she know you can see her working.

Otherwise you are playing a losing battle...
Yeah, I think I'm going to have to glue the laptop to the dining room table.
On machine filters are almost always problematic but they are also cheep.

Her method around the blocker that you proposed seems most likley as it probably required a change. what i would recomend is possibly doing the same setup but use an email with a randomly generate PW that you do not normally use.

For example make a yahoo or MSN or other alternitive account for only the purpose of this. Make sure passwords are not saved by FF (when in doubt create them in another account, FF does alright profiling now) and make sure it is randomly generated

That should prevent her from getting email password reset requests
This might possibly work.
My wife says:

Try www.ic3.gov. She suggested you should contact someone like that, and see if they want to give your lil girl a scholarship or something. :)

I agree - it's probably best to see if you can find some way to channel this, rather than shut it down. Firstly - because it could turn out to be useful (profitable?) later if she works at it, and secondly - because if you fight it... it sounds like she'll win. :)

Buy a keylogger, plug it in between the keyboard and tower, so you can track what she's doing - but I'd say let her get on with it. (But make sure she's aware that there are lines she didn't ought to cross... if the FBI start banging on the door, she's grounded).
haha.

okay she absolutely has to use the computer for school and you are very computer literate, maybe you need to confront her and lay out the consequences for her changing the computers settings as opposed to attempting to create settings she can't change. if you tell your child they can play in your yard but not over at the neighbors and they disobey, you correct them for their behavior. you don't attempt to build taller and taller walls to keep they out of the neighbors yard.

Yeah, I think I'm going to have to glue the laptop to the dining room table.



there are a few security devices you can use to lock down your laptop...just google laptop locks...

sorry for the advice...UT's post is full of his usual wisdom.. :)

okay she absolutely has to use the computer for school and you are very computer literate, maybe you need to confront her and lay out the consequences for her changing the computers settings as opposed to attempting to create settings she can't change. if you tell you child they can play in your yard but not over at the neighbors and they disobey, you connect them for their behavior. you don't attempt to build taller and taller walls to keep they out of the neighbors yard.

nice post.

and the only sensible advice for any parent to follow.

you child will always be better at this than you are. accept it or you will just make her sneakier until you cant tell what she's been up to. today hannah montana tomorrow brittney spears!

One question:

What sites is she getting onto? Just out of curiousity, because I think I have a program that blocks all sites with a certain tag... *Fervently searches files for the name of the program...*
*belatedly realizes that daughter has found and tampered with that file*

if she changed your passwords you should make her change them back or give you the new ones. it seems like she see it as a game to thwart your filters, you need to convince her that those filters are just like rules around the house, the fact that she can break them doesn't mean she is allowed to break them.

have you considered a secure browser, such as friendlyway (http://www.friendlyway.com/internet-kiosk-software/touch-screen-kiosks-secure-browser/), provisio, or many others?

on the assumption they work as well as they're supposed to (and render pages properly as to not render them useless) you'd have to prevent her from installing another browser, which i guess you could do easily with your OS



another thought: have you thought about getting a fingerprint reader? could help somehow with keeping passwords hidden/etc

but i agree... if she's showing a lot of ingenuity and creative thinking, maybe this is something to encourage in a positive manner? like teach her to code or something...

It's a difficult problem. Unless you can get the ISP to filter for you, anything can really be circumvented with enough effort. You could install a secure browser, but then she might just download her own, or bring a USB stick with portable firefox on it. You can try to set the DSL-modem to filter (if you have DSL and a modem that allows filtering), but she can just reset the modem. You can try to give her a different account on the computer with reduced privileges, but for all I know she'll just reinstall windows.
I think windows can use a file to lookup DNS names, if you make entries for sites you don't want available you can set them to another ip. Or you can use a DNS-server that allows filtering. Both these latter two solutions might be hard enough to think of, seeing as there's no overt change to anything else. But then, the web's abound with proxy's, and there's google's cache or translation sites.

I suppose, you could just hide the modem in a locked safe when you're not around to see what she's up to. Without looking over their shoulder, it's really difficult to effectively keep control over what websites your children can visit.