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I thought I had the answer to that question figured out (Europe). But then I actually READ about Europe, and about how they have nutjobs there too:rolleyes: and then I read this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrei-markovits-and-jeff-weintraub/some-blind-spots-and-hypo_b_106187.html


Does no one else read the huffington post? I'd of thought this would have come up by now.

My first reaction is to say the US, but Europe has quite a bit of racism over there. The Swiss just had that racist election and German neo-nazi violence continually flairs. 200,000 Turkish immigrants in Germany have just been sent home while the same can't be said for Germany's much larger white immigrant community. And France, of course, funnels many of their dark immigrants into poor suburbs. Not to mention I've heard a lot of racist slogans and chants get cried during European soccer matches. And of course, here's an article on racism in Greece:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7445665.stm

I suspect racism is significant problem in Europe, but that it doesn't receive the publicity it does in the US. In any case, it's difficult to tell who has more racism.

Europe. In 2005 Germany had a Human Zoo, with an African Village...Germans scare me.

The concept of the human zoo has not completely disappeared. A Congolese Village was displayed at the Brussels 1958 World's Fair.[4] An African Village was opened in Augsburg's zoo in Germany in July 2005.[5]

http://www.eth.mpg.de/events/current/pdf/1120750934-01.pdf

Ha! Those stupid fools. Dog-catcher is an appointed position, not an elected one.

who has the most racist history the US well maybe the UK if you look at things in India and Australia.

But largely with the exception of the UK europe has not had to deal with sizable minority populations.

recently it is hard to tell. comparing political systems is really not a clear measure. the elections of minorities were a reaction we had to racism pre 1950 where by we were willing to redraw district lines intentionally to include minorities.
Where as the goal of the European structure is stability. because to become prime minister you have to severe in parliament for a good while and also serve your party. it minimizes the chances of electing cowboys but also limits the chance of electing fresh blood into the new post.

My first reaction is to say the US, but Europe has quite a bit of racism over there. The Swiss just had that racist election and German neo-nazi violence continually flairs. 200,000 Turkish immigrants in Germany have just been sent home while the same can't be said for Germany's much larger white immigrant community. And France, of course, funnels many of their dark immigrants into poor suburbs. Not to mention I've heard a lot of racist slogans and chants get cried during European soccer matches. And of course, here's an article on racism in Greece:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7445665.stm

I suspect racism is significant problem in Europe, but that it doesn't receive the publicity it does in the US. In any case, it's difficult to tell who has more racism.

Not to mention that discrimination against the jewish faith didn't exactly end in 1945 in Europe, did it?

Not to mention that discrimination against the jewish faith didn't exactly end in 1945 in Europe, did it?

there is a reason there are very few Jews left in western europe.
but thats religious not racist. well briefly ethnic during Hitlers reign.

but thats religious not racist. well briefly ethnic during Hitlers reign.

Hey, you know the steorotypical caricatures of Jewish people with hooked noses? Just a bit more proof that religion can rearrange one's face.
*rolls eyes*

there is a reason there are very few Jews left in western europe.
but thats religious not racist. well briefly ethnic during Hitlers reign.

I don't know, it seems to me that its been 'ethnic' since before the Roman Empire.

The Swiss just had that racist election
Yes. Racist against non-citizens, even those who are White.

Please...this is getting old.

there is a reason there are very few Jews left in western europe.
but thats religious not racist. well briefly ethnic during Hitlers reign.

Many still insist Jewish is a race. I wonder if that began as pro- or anti-jewish propaganda?

Many still insist Jewish is a race. I wonder if that began as pro- or anti-jewish propaganda?
It's partly Jews own fault. Anti-semites called Jews a race to isolate them from society and create more hostility to them. "They're different so they must be evil."

But Jews also many times (long ago) wanted to keep themsleves seperate and thought of themselves as a seperate people...so I think it was perpetuated by both sides.

I'm Jewish btw.

Does no one else read the huffington post?

Good God no. :p

Anyway, yeah: there's racism most places.

I'm not, but I really like bagels. :)
Same. With eggs. :D

It's partly Jews own fault. Anti-semites called Jews a race to isolate them from society and create more hostility to them. "They're different so they must be evil."

But Jews also many times (long ago) wanted to keep themsleves seperate and thought of themselves as a seperate people...so I think it was perpetuated by both sides.

I'm Jewish btw.

I'm not, but I really like bagels. :)

Many still insist Jewish is a race. I wonder if that began as pro- or anti-jewish propaganda?

Yes.

I have lived in the UK and was stationed in Germany for a short time. I can say my own experiences tell me that Europe has the edge on the US. Both places have problems however Europe's seemed worse.

While Judaism is not a race we are different, mainly because there is relatively little intermariage... and people change depending on where they live. For instance, I believe that the Chinese and Asians in general are not a different race... they are semitic people that emigrated east. Our Talmud (written about 1800 years ago, btw) explains, in an unracist way, as a simple fact, that the Chinese people's eyes became squinted because of all the dust storms in China because of their many deserts, so they naturally adapted. So just because people may be different, doesn't make them a different race.

Within the past year, I have been on the receiving end of racism at least three times for being white... in America. :confused:

While Judaism is not a race we are different, mainly because there is relatively little intermariage... and people change depending on where they live. For instance, I believe that the Chinese and Asians in general are not a different race... they are semitic people that emigrated east. Our Talmud (written about 1800 years ago, btw) explains, in an unracist way, as a simple fact, that the Chinese people's eyes became squinted because of all the dust storms in China because of their many deserts, so they naturally adapted. So just because people may be different, doesn't make them a different race.

Note: Talmud doesn't actually say that. Just another shitty troll.

Many still insist Jewish is a race. I wonder if that began as pro- or anti-jewish propaganda?

Neither! I believe that it came from scientific observation. The faith of jewish is not a race but that doesent men that geneticcly there could be differences. If you group people in large groups, they tend to develop traits

Note: Talmud doesn't actually say that. Just another shitty troll.
Ummm... considering im doing religious studies full time, and ive actually seen it inside there, you obviously dont know what you're talking about...

Neither! I believe that it came from scientific observation. The faith of jewish is not a race but that doesent men that geneticcly there could be differences. If you group people in large groups, they tend to develop traits

Exactly the point I was making before

Europe. In 2005 Germany had a Human Zoo, with an African Village...Germans scare me.

The concept of the human zoo has not completely disappeared. A Congolese Village was displayed at the Brussels 1958 World's Fair.[4] An African Village was opened in Augsburg's zoo in Germany in July 2005.[5]

http://www.eth.mpg.de/events/current/pdf/1120750934-01.pdf

Wait were those Africans captured and placed in the zoo, or were they paid performers who willing did it?

I think all people are racist, and it doesn't matter where you come from races will have an aversion to other races and people from other countries, or even different regions.

I think all people are racist, and it doesn't matter where you come from races will have an aversion to other races and people from other countries, or even different regions.

Perhaps our capacity for intolerance is our most unifying aspect. ;)

Why would anyone read the Huffington post?: :headbang:

Europe, hands down. There is at very least a good faith effort in most parts of the US to combat racism. There is little to mirror that effort in Europe.

the US has a rotten history with native americans, but spain definitely had a higher death toll for native american genocide. my black friend (from netherlands antilles in the caribbean) said she couldn't even leave the car in some parts where she visited with her white dutch husband because people were threatening her...the way I hear germans talk about turks and russians talk about gypsies (yes, I know they are called Roma, or Gitano, but there's no point using a name most people haven't heard when everyone knows the other and it isn't perjorative) is pretty appalling, too.

on the other hand, my sociology book cites a US study that said a white man who admits to having done 18 months in prison for crack cocaine is still more likely to get a job than a black man with identical credentials without the cocaine charge. not sure if that's worse than being north african muslim in france or not...but it's pretty bad.

western civ fails, India ftw!

who has the most racist history the US well maybe the UK if you look at things in India and Australia.
Except for racial laws during fascism and nazism, and for ghettos in Poland, Europe didn't have segregation laws in the last century, like the US did. (in Europe; in overseas colonies it's another thing). That is to say, Europe has known much racism and xenophobia, and the governments usually try to reduce it.

But largely with the exception of the UK europe has not had to deal with sizable minority populations.

Huh?
Spain: basques, catalans, and lots of gypsies, plus immigration from morocco
France: basques, occitans, germans (in Alsace-Lorraine), bretons, plus italians, pied-noirs, algerians, vietnamese and senegalese from immigration
Belgium: country split between walloons, flemish and some germans, plus lots of italian immigrants
Italy: germans (südtirol and some other places), slovenians, occitans, sardinians, plus immigration from albania, senegal, morocco, egypt, tunisia, philippines, ukraine, romania, and gypsies, and internal migration
Germany: lots of immigration from italy, poland, russia, ukraine, turkey
Switzerland: country split in four (german-speakers, french-speakers, italian-speakers and rumantsch-speakers), plus immigration from italy, turkey and the balkans

I'd say that mainland europe has got LOTS of recent experience with minorities, both historical and recent.

who has the most racist history the US well maybe the UK if you look at things in India and Australia.

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Were we really racist? We just oppressed the hell out of any indigenous populations we came across. Equal opportunity oppression perhaps

Europe, hands down. There is at very least a good faith effort in most parts of the US to combat racism. There is little to mirror that effort in Europe.

Actually there are a whole lot of such efforts in Europe, but most probably this does not come to attention to the American public.

The media, on both side of the Atlantic Ocean, prefer to report ugly things since this guarantees high sales.

For example, when I read or watch American media, I would come under the impression that mobs of neo-nazies rampage through Germany under the applause of the population.
In fact I never have seen a single skinhead of another obvious neo-nazi in my city. (This unfortunately was different when I lived in Eastern Germany for some time.)
In contrast to this I never hear anything about the many efforts to combat racism in Germany in American media.

This is also true vice versa. When I follow German media, it appears that segregation is still practiced in America and held dear by the vast majority of the white majority and never are any American efforts to combat this reported.
Yet I am sure that this picture of America is distorted.

To come back to the topic's question: I am pretty sure that racism is equal in both societies, but due to the nature of the news business, it appears to us that racism is worse in the other society.

I thought I had the answer to that question figured out (Europe). But then I actually READ about Europe, and about how they have nutjobs there too:rolleyes: and then I read this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrei-markovits-and-jeff-weintraub/some-blind-spots-and-hypo_b_106187.html


Does no one else read the huffington post? I'd of thought this would have come up by now.

I'm inclined to say both are equally racist. After all, America (being the mleting pot that it is) inherited it's prejudices from Europe. And maybe, just maybe, America can be a bit more tolerant, but not by a long haul.

Well we in Europe do racism very well, as is evidanced by the great cry of imigration that goes up every so offten. which really makes me laugh coming from Britian, an island of immigrants.

I have never been to Europe, but I cannot imagine a country more racist than America. It would be catastrophic! People would be shooting each other even more than in America. Or beating each other with clubs, since guns are allowed in England.
It is a good eye-opening article though.

Racism is more prevalent in the larger cities here. *Iz happy for his own small city*

*cheers for your small city*:p

I'm inclined to say both are equally racist. After all, America (being the mleting pot that it is) inherited it's prejudices from Europe. And maybe, just maybe, America can be a bit more tolerant, but not by a long haul.

Racism is more prevalent in the larger cities here. *Iz happy for his own small city*

Were we really racist? We just oppressed the hell out of any indigenous populations we came across. Equal opportunity oppression perhaps

Yeah good point. It's like the KKK they aren't racist they hate all black people and treat them all the same there is not one black person they hate more than the other.

Europe has the free movement area
America has the mexico border fence
I wonder which one is more racist...

Europe has the free movement area
America has the mexico border fence
I wonder which one is more racist...

We used to have a wall...

I have lived in the UK and was stationed in Germany for a short time. I can say my own experiences tell me that Europe has the edge on the US. Both places have problems however Europe's seemed worse.

a lot of it is that Europe has not had to deal with the problem until recently. So they don't take measures to include minority groups in society as we have learned to do.

both still have issues.

considering im doing religious studies full time, and ive actually seen it inside there...
Yeah right, that's why you gave a cite.
Troll.

Europe has the free movement area
America has the mexico border fence
I wonder which one is more racist...

That free movement area you're describing... it only applies for nations with white majorities.

Japan and the Koreas certainly could be in the running for this "award." Why are we limiting the discussion to the Western world?

Europe has the free movement area
America has the mexico border fence
I wonder which one is more racist...

And how long has turkey wanted to join this free movement area ????

15% of the US population is now from South of the Fence. Is France, the UK, or Germany 15% Polish ???

And how long has turkey wanted to join this free movement area ????

15% of the US population is now from South of the Fence. Is France, the UK, or Germany 15% Polish ???

Yeah, it's noteworthy to mention that France now has the absolute highest percentage of nonwhites in its border in its entire history, ~9%. This number is lower than the lowest percentage of nonwhites in the US in its entire history, 10-11%.

id say wer about the same, exept as europe is made of many differnt political ideas, we(euros) have had to learn to get along with other countries, while the US has a F##K THEM ALL policiy

Depends where in the US and where in Europe, and concerning whom.

Actually there are a whole lot of such efforts in Europe, but most probably this does not come to attention to the American public.

The media, on both side of the Atlantic Ocean, prefer to report ugly things since this guarantees high sales.

For example, when I read or watch American media, I would come under the impression that mobs of neo-nazies rampage through Germany under the applause of the population.
In fact I never have seen a single skinhead of another obvious neo-nazi in my city. (This unfortunately was different when I lived in Eastern Germany for some time.)
In contrast to this I never hear anything about the many efforts to combat racism in Germany in American media.

This is also true vice versa. When I follow German media, it appears that segregation is still practiced in America and held dear by the vast majority of the white majority and never are any American efforts to combat this reported.
Yet I am sure that this picture of America is distorted.

To come back to the topic's question: I am pretty sure that racism is equal in both societies, but due to the nature of the news business, it appears to us that racism is worse in the other society.

Well, I suppose that would have to be true. Sometimes I forget media bias.

However, it does seem like Europeans have a greater tendency to just ignore race issues until they explode in their face (Paris a few years ago). I'm sure this isn't the rule everywhere, but problems exist when people who aren't used to living with people who are different from them move in (especially if those differences are pronounced ie skin color), change scares people. The US has had a longer history of dealing with those problems (not well most of the time), and as a result race relations are almost always in the public forum.

We had Hitler, we totally win.

Well, I suppose that would have to be true. Sometimes I forget media bias.

However, it does seem like Europeans have a greater tendency to just ignore race issues until they explode in their face (Paris a few years ago). I'm sure this isn't the rule everywhere, but problems exist when people who aren't used to living with people who are different from them move in (especially if those differences are pronounced ie skin color), change scares people. The US has had a longer history of dealing with those problems (not well most of the time), and as a result race relations are almost always in the public forum.

This is quite interesting in light of the riots you mention...

http://iht.nytimes.com/articles/2008/05/26/america/paris.php

U.S. courts the support of French Muslims
By Katrin Bennhold
Published: May 26, 2008

CLICHY-SOUS-BOIS, France: For Karim Zéribi, the highlight was shaking the hand of the candidate Barack Obama. For Ali Zahi, it was meeting the basketball star, Earvin "Magic" Johnson, his childhood hero. And Mohamed Hamidi still cannot quite believe that the minaret of a mosque he saw in Washington was taller than that in the village of his parents in Algeria.

Hamidi, a well-known blogger, Zahi, a local politician and Zéribi, the founder of a recruitment agency, are all French, Muslim and under 42. Each grew up, and works, in suburbs that became emblematic of the rioting that rocked France for three weeks in 2005.

And, during recent months, all three joined the small but growing ranks of young minority leaders in Europe invited to the United States on 21-day, tailor-made trips organized by the U.S. State Department - tours that softened their view of a superpower generally distrusted and disliked in their communities.

There is more via the link (article spans two pages)...

So someone with at least half a brain is getting a clue. Its about time.

We had Hitler, we totally win.

It's also hard to argue with that kind of logic.

Well, I suppose that would have to be true. Sometimes I forget media bias.

However, it does seem like Europeans have a greater tendency to just ignore race issues until they explode in their face (Paris a few years ago). I'm sure this isn't the rule everywhere, but problems exist when people who aren't used to living with people who are different from them move in (especially if those differences are pronounced ie skin color), change scares people. The US has had a longer history of dealing with those problems (not well most of the time), and as a result race relations are almost always in the public forum.

Well, I actually only remember the French riots and no other similar riots in Europe.

In the US, the riots in South Central a few years ago immediately come to my mind, so it seems to me that also this is pretty en par for both.

It's also hard to argue with that kind of logic.

It's very rare that a Godwin is actually perfectly on-topic and wins the thread!

Well, I actually only remember the French riots and no other similar riots in Europe.

In the US, the riots in South Central a few years ago immediately come to my mind, so it seems to me that also this is pretty en par for both.

when? the ones 16 years ago?

when? the ones 16 years ago?

Yeah, I think it has been some when in the 90s.

I'd say we're about the same, except as Europe is made of many different political ideas, we (Europeans) have had to learn to get along with other countries, while the US has a F##K THEM ALL policy.

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Well, I actually only remember the French riots and no other similar riots in Europe.

In the US, the riots in South Central a few years ago immediately come to my mind, so it seems to me that also this is pretty en par for both.

The French had one in 2005 and again in 2007.
Spain had one in 2000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/635092.stm
the UK had one in 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/UK/07/08/bradford.injured/index.html

Also European countries tend to have much smaller minority communities.
So these seem to point to more widespread problems.

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I see you fixed Euros to Europeans, how do you know he isn't a coin?

I see you fixed Euros to Europeans, how do you know he isn't a coin?

I´m hoping he´s an European and not an euro. It would be highly disturbing to have a piece of currency as an NSGer posting around. Of course, after being here for a few months, I have come to realize that this place has everything and everyone.

NSG pwns! It´s the UN and NATO combined, but improved and dastardly hilarious.:p

Also European countries tend to have much smaller minority communities.
So these seem to point to more widespread problems.

The overall percentage of ethnic minorities is roughly the same. Just they're more subdivided. And that's with the USA classing 'African-Americans' as one group whereas European countries would have smaller classifications, differentiating between Indian and Pakistani communities for example.

The overall percentage of ethnic minorities is roughly the same. Just they're more subdivided. And that's with the USA classing 'African-Americans' as one group whereas European countries would have smaller classifications, differentiating between Indian and Pakistani communities for example.

Europeans classify other Europeans such as Celts, Germans, Italians, Slavs, and Poles. It is not so much differentiating between Indian and Pakistani. Its the differentiation between other whites that causes Europeans minority population to be inflated.
If we were to do this in the US we would have a 80% minority population with the majority being German Americans.

There is no such thing as race, which makes racism such an odd malady of the mind.

Europeans classify other Europeans such as Celts, Germans, Italians, Slavs, and Poles. It is not so much differentiating between Indian and Pakistani. Its the differentiation between other whites that causes Europeans minority population to be inflated.
If we were to do this in the US we would have a 80% minority population with the majority being German Americans.

With helium or just plain air?

I´m hoping he´s an European and not an euro. It would be highly disturbing to have a piece of currency as an NSGer posting around. Of course, after being here for a few months, I have come to realize that this place has everything and everyone.

NSG pwns! It´s the UN and NATO combined, but improved and dastardly hilarious.:p

lol, well it takes all types. Also QFT

the question isn't fair because we have Czechs :(

I have lived in the UK and was stationed in Germany for a short time. I can say my own experiences tell me that Europe has the edge on the US. Both places have problems however Europe's seemed worse.

you always pick us last :(

lol, well it takes all types. Also QFT

;)

Europeans classify other Europeans such as Celts, Germans, Italians, Slavs, and Poles. It is not so much differentiating between Indian and Pakistani. Its the differentiation between other whites that causes Europeans minority population to be inflated.
If we were to do this in the US we would have a 80% minority population with the majority being German Americans.

Slavs are in fact a different ethnicity altogether. Celts are not identified on modern censuses. It's a question of cultural minorities overlapping with ethnic minorities. Xenophobia versus racism I suppose.

And the US would have nothing like that amount.

Slavs are in fact a different ethnicity altogether. Celts are not identified on modern censuses. It's a question of cultural minorities overlapping with ethnic minorities. Xenophobia versus racism I suppose.

And the US would have nothing like that amount.

The French do. well they don't count ethnicities but they consider them a minority.

The Slavs are white people. it seems silly to think of them as anything else.

Europe is racist then ignorant. They have racist jokes for each other, americans, asians and anything you can name. Even their "politically correct" approach to dealing with poor african and middle east nations is racist in the way that anyone who criticizes the approach of handing out cash blindly is deemed as racist.

Americans on the other hand are more ignorant then racist. They have too few people with passports to see the rest of the world let alone understand it. By listening to American news i see how quickly they move over international politics as they simply dont care.

Which is the best of being ignorant or racist? I dont know

That free movement area you're describing... it only applies for nations with white majorities.

Now, name a single EU country which has a non-white majority.

Europeans classify other Europeans such as Celts, Germans, Italians, Slavs, and Poles. It is not so much differentiating between Indian and Pakistani. Its the differentiation between other whites that causes Europeans minority population to be inflated.


Actually, we classify ourselves with our citizenship. That is, Germans see themselves as Germans, Italians see themselves as Italians etc, not as "whites". Germans who are ethnically Turk see themselves as Germans of Turkish ancestry, like Belgians who are ethnically Italians see themselves as Belgians. Generally we don't put together Indians and Pakistani in a single group, because that would be like saying that Morocco and Egypt, or Senegal and Nigeria are the same country.

Poles are Slavs, in case you didn't know. So to be clear, we usually differentiate between Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Russians, Byelorussians, Ukrainians, Slovenes, Croatians, Serbs, Montenegrinos, Bosnians, Macedonians and Bulgarians.

There is no "celtic" citizenship - just some countries (Ireland, Spain, France, UK) that are home to large groups of Celts, be they majorities or minorities. I've never heard something answering "I'm Celt" when asked "where you are from?", while I heard people answering "I'm Irish" or "I'm from Brittany".

And how long has turkey wanted to join this free movement area ????

15% of the US population is now from South of the Fence. Is France, the UK, or Germany 15% Polish ???

Actually the ascension of Turkey to the EU is looking quite likely, if they sort out those pesky Human Rights Violations.

Well about 15% of the UK population are from non-White British origins if that's the sort of thing your getting at. But given the differences in population sizes, I suspect if 15% of the UK, France and Germany were each made up for Poles there wouldn't be many Poles left in Poland.

Actually, we classify ourselves with our citizenship. That is, Germans see themselves as Germans, Italians see themselves as Italians etc, not as "whites". Germans who are ethnically Turk see themselves as Germans of Turkish ancestry, like Belgians who are ethnically Italians see themselves as Belgians. Generally we don't put together Indians and Pakistani in a single group, because that would be like saying that Morocco and Egypt, or Senegal and Nigeria are the same country.

Poles are Slavs, in case you didn't know. So to be clear, we usually differentiate between Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Russians, Byelorussians, Ukrainians, Slovenes, Croatians, Serbs, Montenegrinos, Bosnians, Macedonians and Bulgarians.

There is no "celtic" citizenship - just some countries (Ireland, Spain, France, UK) that are home to large groups of Celts, be they majorities or minorities. I've never heard something answering "I'm Celt" when asked "where you are from?", while I heard people answering "I'm Irish" or "I'm from Brittany".
From the Wiki I get. (France used as an example.)
An estimate of 10-15 million French citizens or about one-fifth of the population is of ethnic/ non-French origins. The largest of such groups are Germans, Greeks, Italians, Portuguese, Poles.

My understanding is the US is about 40% minority or two fifths.
and we have a much more inclusive majority, counting all Europeans as being in the roughly 60 % majority.

Actually the ascension of Turkey to the EU is looking quite likely, if they sort out those pesky Human Rights Violations.

Well about 15% of the UK population are from non-White British origins if that's the sort of thing your getting at. But given the differences in population sizes, I suspect if 15% of the UK, France and Germany were each made up for Poles there wouldn't be many Poles left in Poland.

I was suing Poles as an example since they are know as going around doing the same types of work.
15% in the Us are Hispanic. 12% are African American. the Hispanic is notable since they largely came in the last 2 or 3 generations.
over all it is about 40% non white in the US I think.

From the Wiki I get. (France used as an example.)
An estimate of 10-15 million French citizens or about one-fifth of the population is of ethnic/ non-French origins. The largest of such groups are Germans, Greeks, Italians, Portuguese, Poles.

I really can't get your point, in the scope of the racism issue.

Also, grouping ethnically-german Frenchmen with ethnically-italian Frenchmen ignores the origin of the presence of those minorities (which are perfectly assimilated into french society, btw: see Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, or the many german family names you get in the upper ranks of the French government; even the Sarkozy family name doesn't look very much french, it's Hungarian iirc). Franco-Italians usually come from immigration from Italy to France (apart from the residents of the Cote d'Azur), while most Franco-Germans are from the german-speaking districts of Alsace and Lorraine (aka Elsaß und Lothringen).

My understanding is the US is about 40% minority or two fifths.
and we have a much more inclusive majority, counting all Europeans as being in the roughly 60 % majority.

Again, can't get your point. Please explain more clearly.
From the data you've given, it appears that 80% of the french citizens belong to the "majority", while just 60% of the US citizens belong to the "majority". I'd say that the french society looks more "inclusive", since less people are "left out". Then again, being in the "majority" doesn't mean much: I'm sure that french minister Rachida Dati enjoys better life standards than the average ethnically-french worker of Peugeot.

I'm puzzled.:confused:

I suspect if 15% of the UK, France and Germany were each made up for Poles there wouldn't be many Poles left in Poland.

That's why Germany wants freedom of movement for Poles... LEBENSRAUM! :D

Again, can't get your point. Please explain more clearly.
From the data you've given, it appears that 80% of the french citizens belong to the "majority", while just 60% of the US citizens belong to the "majority". I'd say that the french society looks more "inclusive", since less people are "left out". Then again, being in the "majority" doesn't mean much: I'm sure that french minister Rachida Dati enjoys better life standards than the average ethnically-french worker of Peugeot.

I'm puzzled.:confused:

But that 80% of French are French.

the 60% in the US include French,Brits,Irish,Germans, Italians, Slavs, Czechs, and Jews among others. Less people are in the majority because we have had larger number of immigrants in the last 50 years then France.