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how much control does nationstates have over its forum?

In the technical sense? Very little. If any.

While it is rumoured the good gents at Jolt have email addresses for technical suggestions, it is not known whether they actually check them.

Ah, I see. Why not make a forum on their own site? They are not very hard to program. Hell, can be done using BASIC.

In terms of the way the forum works or the rules?

What is your malfunction?

Ah, I see. Why not make a forum on their own site? They are not very hard to program. Hell, can be done using BASIC.

same could be said of you making your own forum with your own rules and you can then moderate the poster's on there to your heart's content.

Ah, I see. Why not make a forum on their own site? They are not very hard to program. Hell, can be done using BASIC.

I believe the briefest possible answer to this question is simply: "money".

this won't end well (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13759915&postcount=3).
Kylamus, you are warned for reposting closed threads. Do it again and you will enjoy a three day ban.

same could be said of you making your own forum with your own rules and you can then moderate the poster's on there to your heart's content.

That's what Drunk Commies did. I like this concept better though. More user friendly this way.

this won't end well (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13759915&postcount=3).

Yeah Kylamus. You´ve been warned already, mate. Be careful.;)

I believe the briefest possible answer to this question is simply: "money".

Cost very little. Seems to me that Nation States is already paying for their own forum. Either they are using jolts moderators (in which case there would be extra fee since they are jolt's workers) or they are paying moderators. They will be paying jolt to have a forum on their site, they would pay less if they attached it to their own site. Please prove me wrong if you know more about how payment works on web. They probably already have a lot of programmers already to maintain the site and clean up bugs, they probably know how to make a forum. Although, it does depend on what programming language they use. I tried programming, it is pretty difficult once it gets more advanced.

Ah, I see. Why not make a forum on their own site? They are not very hard to program. Hell, can be done using BASIC.

mr barry used to host a forum on his own but it wasnt powerful enough to handle the volume of postings. so he made a deal with jolt to host it here.

Cost very little. Seems to me that Nation States is already paying for their own forum. Either they are using jolts moderators (in which case there would be extra fee since they are jolt's workers) or they are paying moderators.

Or their moderators are volunteers.

Which they are.

And what do you know of the economics of webhosting? You're what...12?

this won't end well (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13759915&postcount=3).

I can do 3 day ban. Plus I reposted a thread once. This is different thread. As long as something gets done. You would just push it into martyrdom. Or I get to look really stupid, either way, the idea is out there. Can someone please say what is wrong with Nation States making a forum on their own web?

I can do 3 day ban. Plus I reposted a thread once. This is different thread. As long as something gets done. You would just push it into martyrdom. Or I get to look really stupid, either way, the idea is out there. Can someone please say what is wrong with Nation States making a forum on their own web?

uhhhh.

I can see a lot wrong with that particular statement

Ah, I see. Why not make a forum on their own site? They are not very hard to program. Hell, can be done using BASIC.
I would like to see you make a web based forum with ACTUAL BASIC.

Would have to be masochistic

The point is not the difficulty of running a forum, any fool can throw up a Vbullitin or PHPBB board the trick is finding the server and network horsepower at a reasonable price for the size we are

If I remember right we get a pretty good deal where we are specially considering it is a multipul server setup to handle the load

Or their moderators are volunteers.

Which they are.

And what do you know of the economics of webhosting? You're what...12?

I hosted a web site for 2 years. It is closed now, not enough people were visiting it to be worth anything. Created it on weebly, lol.

uhhhh.

I can see a lot wrong with that particular statement

You don't have your own Web, I have really fast trucks on mine.

I hosted a web site for 2 years. It is closed now, not enough people were visiting it to be worth anything. Created it on weebly, lol.

your pokemon fansite does not qualify as "hosting a web site"

Or I get to look really stupid

Fait accompli.

Please prove me wrong if you know more about how payment works on web.

On the web there is a thing called "bandwidth". The more traffic a site gets, the more bandwidth is required. Bandwidth can be purchased from hosts with "money". Money, often previously in the form of specie, but increasingly in the form of credit, is used to pay for goods or services rendered.

I can do 3 day ban. Plus I reposted a thread once. This is different thread. As long as something gets done. You would just push it into martyrdom. Or I get to look really stupid, either way, the idea is out there. Can someone please say what is wrong with Nation States making a forum on their own web?

It wont get done and for the reasons listed in my last post the cost difference alone is enough to preclude that.

Fair enough, I am beaten. I got to look really stupid, lol. Although it would be nice if some changes were made to the forum. Will have to wait for Nation States 2

Cost very little. Seems to me that Nation States is already paying for their own forum. Either they are using jolts moderators (in which case there would be extra fee since they are jolt's workers) or they are paying moderators. They will be paying jolt to have a forum on their site, they would pay less if they attached it to their own site. Please prove me wrong if you know more about how payment works on web. They probably already have a lot of programmers already to maintain the site and clean up bugs, they probably know how to make a forum. Although, it does depend on what programming language they use. I tried programming, it is pretty difficult once it gets more advanced.
I suggest you try hosting your own forum on your own servers and see how much it will actually cost you.

they did try it and our forums actually brought down servers due to our volume.

I can do 3 day ban. Plus I reposted a thread once. This is different thread. As long as something gets done. You would just push it into martyrdom. Or I get to look really stupid, either way, the idea is out there. Can someone please say what is wrong with Nation States making a forum on their own web?
because it costs alot to set up their own server, set up their own domain and to pay for the bandwith as well as the resources for the current number of players.

everyone else is telling you this, but you seem to think that they are the ones not knowing what you're talking about.

as for the topic being different, it's too similar to your other posts. we're just warning you to be careful. ;)

I hosted a web site for 2 years. It is closed now, not enough people were visiting it to be worth anything. Created it on weebly, lol.

Thats the grand total of your experience? you are not even fit to evaluate the cost and difficulty of this sort of move

You don't have your own Web, I have really fast trucks on mine.

I tried to build one once. I ran out of tubes.

Cost very little. Seems to me that Nation States is already paying for their own forum. Either they are using jolts moderators (in which case there would be extra fee since they are jolt's workers) or they are paying moderators. They will be paying jolt to have a forum on their site, they would pay less if they attached it to their own site. Please prove me wrong if you know more about how payment works on web. They probably already have a lot of programmers already to maintain the site and clean up bugs, they probably know how to make a forum. Although, it does depend on what programming language they use. I tried programming, it is pretty difficult once it gets more advanced.

NationStates used to have its own forum, on its own server. Because this game, and posting on these forums, costs us users exactly $0.00, the money to host the old forums came out of Max Barry's wallet. While this game was decent marketting for his book Jennifer Government, any potential increase in sales was totally dwarfed by the costs of hosting the old server once this game exploded.

The old server was plagued with problems that would make the Jolt issues seem like nothing. This was because we severely strained the old server's capacity, and Max was unable/unwilling to fund a larger, more powerful server.

So, the move to Jolt occured. It costs Max no money (or, very little money that is easily recouped by the benefits of the advertisement of his book) to be here because we bring 100,000+ eyeballs to Jolt's little advertisements in the corners of the screen, which Jolt gets compensated for.

I'm sure we could go back to the cramped little server we once had. There, the moderators would enjoy all the privileges you want so badly for them to have. Of course, it would be of little use, as the forum would never be online to use. But, in theory, it would be everything you're looking for.

To put it succinctly, you don't know what you are talking about whatsoever, and you would do very well to stop posting things that you are clearly ignorant about.

I hosted a web site for 2 years. It is closed now, not enough people were visiting it to be worth anything. Created it on weebly, lol.

There's a big difference between hosting a website with 3 people, and hosting one with 80,000 (or more).

Fair enough, I am beaten. I got to look really stupid, lol. Although it would be nice if some changes were made to the forum. Will have to wait for Nation States 2

What exactly did you hope to accomplish here? What did you think would happen? You've been spamming the shit out of our forum for two days now with nonsensical crap like this, then you somehow expect us to hoist you on our virtual shoulders because you came up with this wonderful and never considered idea of "we should have a better server" and declare you the messiah of NSG?

What exactly did you hope to accomplish here? What did you think would happen? You've been spamming the shit out of our forum for two days now with nonsensical crap like this, then you somehow expect us to hoist you on our virtual shoulders because you came up with this wonderful and never considered idea of "we should have a better server" and declare you the messiah of NSG?

Well, considering the risk to self vs. possible gain, it was probably worth a shot. :p

Fair enough, although you know some of the adverts in the corner are really annoying. The grand theft one is nice, but Savage 2 and that Astro Empire thing draw my attention too much. whoever designed those adverts did me in. Ikariam should be advertised on here, best free massive game i have found yet. Simple and fun.

Ikariam should be advertised on here, best free massive game i have found yet.

Maybe you can write to Jolt and tell them.

What exactly did you hope to accomplish here? What did you think would happen? You've been spamming the shit out of our forum for two days now with nonsensical crap like this, then you somehow expect us to hoist you on our virtual shoulders because you came up with this wonderful and never considered idea of "we should have a better server" and declare you the messiah of NSG?

lol, I suggested server changes about an hour ago. I have posted threads on abortion, space travel, and overpopulation. so far they have all pretty hit dead ends because people have started ripping each other to shreds. kinda gets in the way of discussing the issue.

Maybe you can write to Jolt and tell them.

Just read that they probably do not check their e-mails about it.

Fair enough, I am beaten. I got to look really stupid, lol. Although it would be nice if some changes were made to the forum. Will have to wait for Nation States 2

You do realize that NS2 might be a pay to play site right?

changes are nice but because this is just one section of a larger entity, it's rather difficult for NS:Forums to make changes. near impossible in fact.

It's nice that you are thinking about ways to 'improve' these forums, but please read the replies to your inquiries. alot of posters may be abit... rough around the edges, but the information they give tends to be good.

NationStates used to have its own forum, on its own server. Because this game, and posting on these forums, costs us users exactly $0.00, the money to host the old forums came out of Max Barry's wallet. While this game was decent marketting for his book Jennifer Government, any potential increase in sales was totally dwarfed by the costs of hosting the old server once this game exploded.

The old server was plagued with problems that would make the Jolt issues seem like nothing. This was because we severely strained the old server's capacity, and Max was unable/unwilling to fund a larger, more powerful server.

So, the move to Jolt occured. It costs Max no money (or, very little money that is easily recouped by the benefits of the advertisement of his book) to be here because we bring 100,000+ eyeballs to Jolt's little advertisements in the corners of the screen, which Jolt gets compensated for.

I'm sure we could go back to the cramped little server we once had. There, the moderators would enjoy all the privileges you want so badly for them to have. Of course, it would be of little use, as the forum would never be online to use. But, in theory, it would be everything you're looking for.

To put it succinctly, you don't know what you are talking about whatsoever, and you would do very well to stop posting things that you are clearly ignorant about.

If I were pricing this out I would put about a 2000 a month total on it as a rough estimate to bring it up to the performance range we are talking about if we were renting room in a data center and the servers. Actually a pretty good deal for the amount of horsepower you would be getting but

I would have to look at a lot more usage patterns but about 20K in hardware and about 10Mbps fiber drop would probably get you in the range(though with peek usage I may be lowballing this one) if you did not turn on things like avatars

Yeah for the bugs Jolt is worth every cent

You do realize that NS2 might be a pay to play site right?

changes are nice but because this is just one section of a larger entity, it's rather difficult for NS:Forums to make changes. near impossible in fact.

It's nice that you are thinking about ways to 'improve' these forums, but please read the replies to your inquiries. alot of posters may be abit... rough around the edges, but the information they give tends to be good.

I am not talking bout the quality of the replies, I do read them, I am talking about how people start attacking each other. They mess up a good post such that everyone starts insulting one another.

If I were pricing this out I would put about a 2000 a month total on it as a rough estimate to bring it up to the performance range we are talking about if we were renting room in a data center and the servers. Actually a pretty good deal for the amount of horsepower you would be getting but

I would have to look at a lot more usage patterns but about 20K in hardware and about 10Mbps fiber drop would probably get you in the range(though with peek usage I may be lowballing this one) if you did not turn on things like avatars

Yeah for the bugs Jolt is worth every cent

$2000! not bad

Well, considering the risk to self vs. possible gain, it was probably worth a shot. :p

Fuck, my Messiah hasn't done anything for me in 2000 years! :p

$2000! not bad

A MONTH.

You do realize that NS2 might be a pay to play site right?


What is wrong with something being pay to play?

A MONTH.

I can read.

Fair enough, although you know some of the adverts in the corner are really annoying. The grand theft one is nice, but Savage 2 and that Astro Empire thing draw my attention too much. whoever designed those adverts did me in. Ikariam should be advertised on here, best free massive game i have found yet. Simple and fun.
you do know that those advertisements pay the site (Jolt in this case) per click on those advertisements. you want to help keep costs down? click on those advertisements and go visit the advertiser's sites. ;)

lol, I suggested server changes about an hour ago. I have posted threads on abortion, space travel, and overpopulation. so far they have all pretty hit dead ends because people have started ripping each other to shreds. kinda gets in the way of discussing the issue.
Welcome to NSG.

notice that your spacetravel and overpopulation threads are still going. yes people will tear into each other, but that's NSG. The thing you need to do is sift through their post to get the gist of what they are saying and keep your post on topic. nevermind trying to keep others on topic, that is an excercise in fustration.

$2000! not bad

So you're willing to part with $24,000 annually to host this game and forums? Or do you completely lack any sort of grasp on the value of money?

I am not talking bout the quality of the replies, I do read them, I am talking about how people start attacking each other. They mess up a good post such that everyone starts insulting one another.

no, people didn't start attacking "each other". People started attacking YOU.

And considering:

1) you outright lied to this forum and pretended to be a doctor when, not only are you not a doctor, you barely qualify as being not a child

2) your threads contain serious factual errors and total misunderstandings regarding the topics you posted about

3) you have generally failed to do any real research to substantiate your points, and when challenged to do so, either ignored it, or asked other people to do it for you.

So if you have perceived any bickering in these threads, it's because your threads have, generally, failed.

$2000! not bad

Per month just for hardware and network

Hardware purchase strait up would be about 20K+ not including internet drain

I can read.

Thats 0 Dev time and me lowballing it which means you have to have a specialist that can make a forums run on multipul front ends and possibly multipule back end servers. Tell ya what in industry you start at about 100 an hour of their time and go up from there ... depending on if you buy bulk time from them

Where do you propose Max get enough money per month to fund such a forum from? 24K a year will feed a family.

no, people didn't start attacking "each other". People started attacking YOU.

And considering:

1) you outright lied to this forum and pretended to be a doctor when, not only are you not a doctor, you barely qualify as being not a child

2) your threads contain serious factual errors and total misunderstandings regarding the topics you posted about

3) you have generally failed to do any real research to substantiate your points, and when challenged to do so, either ignored it, or asked other people to do it for you.

So if you have perceived any bickering in these threads, it's because your threads have, generally, failed.

1. lied about being doctor TRUE
2. non factual information (not including #1) LIE
3. TRUE I am incredibly lazy

If you can find non-factual info in my posts then I will admit to it, but to my knowledge, all my info is factual. Please give me chance to change any of these mistakes so that ppl do not get wrong info.

1. lied about being doctor TRUE
2. non factual information (not including #1) LIE
3. TRUE I am incredibly lazy

2) so aborted babies come out in poop?

What is wrong with something being pay to play?
alot of people enjoy NS because it's free. ;)

I can read.
but can you do the math?

what other single item would come close to being $2000 per month.

Rent/morgage on a house.

you are saying that a web forum that costs the same as the roof over your head per month is 'not bad'?

you see, it's replies like that what causes people to attack you. you make outlandish claims and porport that you are correct.

Fuck, my Messiah hasn't done anything for me in 2000 years! :p

Hey man, appearing on cheese sandwiches is a lot of work! Stop pressuring me! I mean… stop pressuring Him… slip of the tongue there…

*awkward silence*

alot of people enjoy NS because it's free. ;)


but can you do the math?

what other single item would come close to being $2000 per month.

Rent/morgage on a house.

you are saying that a web forum that costs the same as the roof over your head per month is 'not bad'?

you see, it's replies like that what causes people to attack you. you make outlandish claims and porport that you are correct.

In context on how much a web forum can cost 2000 dollars is not bad. And to my knowledge, yes miscarried babies come out amongst the dung.

In context on how much a web forum can cost 2000 dollars is not bad.

How the fuck do you know what a web forum can cost?


And to my knowledge, yes miscarried babies come out amongst the dung.

Which is one of the reasons of your rapidly gained reputation as one who has, and pardon the pun, shit for brains.

In context on how much a web forum can cost 2000 dollars is not bad. And to my knowledge, yes miscarried babies come out amongst the dung.

ghbf4rn

That was my face hitting my keyboard.

Hey man, appearing on cheese sandwiches is a lot of work! Stop pressuring me! I mean… stop pressuring Him… slip of the tongue there…

*awkward silence*

lol, this thread needs some levity, eh? I appear to be in some nasty here.

1. lied about being doctor TRUE
2. non factual information (not including #1) LIE
3. TRUE I am incredibly lazy

If you can find non-factual info in my posts then I will admit to it, but to my knowledge, all my info is factual. Please give me chance to change any of these mistakes so that ppl do not get wrong info.
did he just contradict himself by saying there is no non-factual information in his posts then turn around and say there MIGHT be some non-factual information in his posts?

In context on how much a web forum can cost 2000 dollars is not bad.

Well, that's not the context, is it? The real context is "how much a web forum for a free site can cost", and in that, the correct context, $2000 a month is extraordinarily high. Sites that run operating costs higher than that almost exclusively have some sort of ad revenue or are membership sites. NationStates is neither.

You are very, very bad at this.

In context on how much a web forum can cost 2000 dollars is not bad. And to my knowledge, yes miscarried babies come out amongst the dung.

Again who pays?

Compared to big setups I have seen going for more then 30 or 40K a month sure it is not gigantic

But I have seen hosted server farms for clinics that host their entire medical record setup come in under 2K a month and they are a CLINIC paying for it

Again I say who pays ... and is it justified when they get the resources for free right now?

Cost very little. Seems to me that Nation States is already paying for their own forum. Either they are using jolts moderators (in which case there would be extra fee since they are jolt's workers) or they are paying moderators. They will be paying jolt to have a forum on their site, they would pay less if they attached it to their own site. Please prove me wrong if you know more about how payment works on web. They probably already have a lot of programmers already to maintain the site and clean up bugs, they probably know how to make a forum. Although, it does depend on what programming language they use. I tried programming, it is pretty difficult once it gets more advanced.

Paying moderators?
BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Have a lot of programmers?
BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Hey man, appearing on cheese sandwiches is a lot of work! Stop pressuring me! I mean… stop pressuring Him… slip of the tongue there…

*awkward silence*

*comes out of the shadows, picks New Malachite up, sits him on her lap and rocks back and forth*

Look what you´ve done to NM, you ungreatful Flecklestein!

There there, New Malachite Messiah. *massages his shoulders*
Nanatsu will make it all better, even if I´m a false prophet and all.;)

*comes out of the shadows, picks New Malachite up, sits him on her lap and rocks back and forth*

Look what you´ve done to NM, you ungreatful Flecklestein!

There there, New Malachite Messiah. *massages his shoulders*
Nanatsu will make it all better, even if I´m a false prophet and all.;)

*cries, wants his Teddy Bear*

In context on how much a web forum can cost 2000 dollars is not bad. And to my knowledge, yes miscarried babies come out amongst the dung.

ROTFLMFAO!

ok, here's your chance to back up your claim of that there is NO NON-FACTUAL INFORMATION IN ANY OF YOUR POSTS.

1) "In context on how much a web forum can cost 2000 dollars is not bad."
back it up. show me where a web forum costs that would make $2000 'not bad'.

2) "And to my knowledge, yes miscarried babies come out amongst the dung." show me where you got this knowledge from. and refute this FACT.
a miscarried baby is not in the same location where the colon and small intestine are connected to the rectum. thus a miscarried baby does NOT come out amongst the dung.

*cries, wants his Teddy Bear**comes out of the shadows, picks New Malachite up, sits him on her lap and rocks back and forth*

Look what you´ve done to NM, you ungreatful Flecklestein!

There there, New Malachite Messiah. *massages his shoulders*
Nanatsu will make it all better, even if I´m a false prophet and all.;)

*looks at NMS*
lucky bastard

Paying moderators?
BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Have a lot of programmers?
BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

breath kat... take deep breaths... don't overdo it on the laughing... :D

In context on how much a web forum can cost 2000 dollars is not bad. And to my knowledge, yes miscarried babies come out amongst the dung.

Then perhaps you can use the three day vacation you've earned researching the difference between the vaginal opening and the anus.

where the colon and small intestine are connected to the rectum.[/I]

Uhm, the small intestine (by which I would presume you mean the terminal ileum) is not connected to the rectum, and you're clearly feeding a troll.

*looks at NMS*
lucky bastard


*sticks out tongue, waves lolly in a mocking fashion*

Plus I reposted a thread once. This is different thread.

If I may...



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Forum Change VISIT http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558628,

Forum Change http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558631

How Much Control Does Ns Have Here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558634

Then perhaps you can use the three day vacation you've earned researching the difference between the vaginal opening and the anus.

It'll probably take all three. ;)