NationStates Jolt Archive

Has anyone noticed how American history parallels British history in terms in national development?????

I was looking at some British history programs and it seemed that some of the stuff they did, people in the US did later on.

In what ways do you think US developmental history is the same as it was in Britain and in what ways do you think it is different?
How do you think it affects the foreign policies the two have toward each other???
Do the commonalities justify the current alliance between the countries? Do the differences prove that the alliance has outlived its usefulness???



We took most of our constitution's bill of rights from the Magna Carta. The founders of the USA were akin to the capitalist elitists of late medieval Britain and had the same ideas basically.

Now the USA is going down the same path to mixed capitalism/socialism that Britain went down.

The Brits were the first nation to free the slaves. America followed suit later. Then all the countries freed the slaves.

We seem to be following British footsteps in just about everything. Even in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now we are about to follow them into Africa with all that humanitarian stuff.

I don't think repeating the mistakes of others is such a great thing.

Obviously I don't mean freeing the slaves. That was good, albeit long overdue.

But invading Iraq definitely was a mistake, as is most of our current foreign policy.

Edit: Lol, I timewarped Fass.

The Brits were the first nation to free the slaves. America followed suit later. Then all the countries freed the slaves.

Nope. The Brits were not the first. No, the USA did not follow its suit. No, "all the countries" did not follow the USA's suit - the USA's slavery ban happened very, very late. It along with segregation is why the "land of the free" moniker was and continues to be such a joke in among others Europe.

I think the USA as a whole has far more right wing politics than those in Britain at the moment, also the US has a far higher number of practicing Christians.
I can sorta see what you mean, but if you also take into account the welfare state the two countries have very different systems in operation.
oh and the gun control laws are different, at least from the Southern states not sure about the Northern ones on gun control.

Yet you might be able to draw parallels on the problems with imigration and drugs and booze cultures, that and the US has a kind of mini Empire at the moment.

Edit: Lol, I timewarped Fass.

What, you thought that I was immune to server glitches and that it thus couldn't be done?

I think the USA as a whole has far more right wing politics than those in Britain at the moment, also the US has a far higher number of practicing Christians.
I can sorta see what you mean, but if you also take into account the welfare state the two countries have very different systems in operation.
oh and the gun control laws are different, at least from the Southern states not sure about the Northern ones on gun control.

Yet you might be able to draw parallels on the problems with imigration and drugs and booze cultures, that and the US has a kind of mini Empire at the moment.

DC has a strict gun control law that bans even handgun ownership that is being challenged by the SCOTUS. If DC wins, other states like California, Massachussetts, and the north eastern states will likely follow. But if it loses, it puts a damper on most gun control in the US.

DC has a strict gun control law that bans even handgun ownership that is being challenged by the SCOTUS. If DC wins, other states like California, Massachussetts, and the north eastern states will likely follow. But if it loses, it puts a damper on most gun control in the US.

And if DC loses, it will be a victory for freedom.

What, you thought that I was immune to server glitches and that it thus couldn't be done?

I for one am very disappointed and you have lost a great deal of the awe I had for you. :(

And if DC loses, it will be a victory for freedom.

Hear Hear! Down with the ban.

I for one am very disappointed and you have lost a great deal of the awe I had for you. :(

That's OK, I could afford to lose it since I've so much coming from elsewhere.

The Brits were the first nation to free the slaves. America followed suit later. Then all the countries freed the slaves.

1588 Lithuania and Japan abolish slavery
1723 Russia abolishes slavery
1761 Portugal abolishes slavery
1772 Slavery declared illegal in England, including overseas slaves living in England. Lord Chief Justice Mansfield rules that English law does not support slavery.
1777 Slavery abolished in Madeira
1778 Slavery illegal in Scotland
1783 Russia abolishes slavery in Crimean Khanate
1783 Bukovina: Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor issued an order abolishing slavery on 19 June 1783 in Czernowitz
1791 Haiti gains independence and emancipation
1792 Slave trading abolished in Denmark
1793 Upper Canada, by Act Against Slavery
1794 French First Republic abolishes slavery
1802 Denmark abolish slave trade in Danish colonies
1803 Lower Canada abolishes slavery
1804 Haiti abolishes slavery
1807 Abolition of the Slave Trade Act: slave trading abolished in British Empire. Captains fined £100 per slave transported.
1807 British begin patrols of African coast to arrest slaving vessels. West Africa Squadron (Royal Navy) established to suppress slave trading; by 1865, nearly 150,000 people freed by anti-slavery operations[8]
1807 Abolition in Prussia, Germany The Stein-Hardenberg Reforms.
1811 Spain abolishes slavery at home and in all colonies except Cuba,Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo
1814 Dutch outlaw slave trade
1815 British pay Portuguese £750,000 (several hundred million dollars in current values) to cease their trade
1815 Congress of Vienna. 8 Victorious powers declared their opposition to slavery
1817 Spain paid £400,000 by British to cease trade to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo[10]
1818 Treaty between Britain and Spain to abolish slave trade
1818 Treaty between Britain and Portugal to abolish slave trade
1818 France and Holland abolish slave trading
1819 Treaty between Britain and Netherlands to abolish slave trade
1821 Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela abolish slavery
1822 Greece abolishes slavery.
1823 Chile abolishes slavery
1827 Treaty between Britain and Sweden to abolish slave trade
1829 Mexico abolishes slavery
1831 Bolivia abolishes slavery
1834 The Slavery Abolition Act 1833 comes into force, abolishing slavery throughout most of the British Empire. The exceptions being territories controlled by the Honourable East India Company and the islands of Ceylon and St Helena.
1834 Jamaica abolishes slavery
1835 Treaty between Britain and France to abolish slave trade
1835 Treaty between Britain and France and Denmark to abolish slave trade
1836 Portugal abolishes transatlantic slave trade
1840 Treaty between Britain and Venezuela to abolish slave trade
1841 Quintuple Treaty is signed; England, France, Russia, Prussia, and Austria agree to suppress slave trade
1842 Uruguay abolishes slavery[3]
1843 Treaty between Britain and Uruguay to suppress slave trade
1843 Treaty between Britain and Mexico to suppress slave trade
1843 Treaty between Britain and Chile to suppress slave trade
1843 Argentina abolishes slavery
1843 Treaty between Britain and Bolivia to abolish slave trade
1846 Tunisia abolishes slavery
1847 Sweden abolishes slavery
1848 Denmark abolishes slavery
1848 Slavery abolished in all French and Danish colonies
1848 Treaty between Britain and Muscat to suppress slave trade [11]
1849 Treaty between Britain and Persian Gulf states to suppress slave trade [11]
1851 Brazil ends slave trade
1854 Peru abolishes slavery
1854 Venezuela abolishes slavery
1855 Moldavia abolishes slavery.
1856 Wallachia abolishes slavery
1862 Cuba abolishes slave trade
1863 Slavery abolished in Dutch colonies

At least they're not running parallel to German history.

1588 Lithuania and Japan abolish slavery
1723 Russia abolishes slavery
1761 Portugal abolishes slavery
1772 Slavery declared illegal in England, including overseas slaves living in England. Lord Chief Justice Mansfield rules that English law does not support slavery.
1777 Slavery abolished in Madeira
1778 Slavery illegal in Scotland
1783 Russia abolishes slavery in Crimean Khanate
1783 Bukovina: Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor issued an order abolishing slavery on 19 June 1783 in Czernowitz
1791 Haiti gains independence and emancipation
1792 Slave trading abolished in Denmark
1793 Upper Canada, by Act Against Slavery
1794 French First Republic abolishes slavery
1802 Denmark abolish slave trade in Danish colonies
1803 Lower Canada abolishes slavery
1804 Haiti abolishes slavery
1807 Abolition of the Slave Trade Act: slave trading abolished in British Empire. Captains fined £100 per slave transported.
1807 British begin patrols of African coast to arrest slaving vessels. West Africa Squadron (Royal Navy) established to suppress slave trading; by 1865, nearly 150,000 people freed by anti-slavery operations[8]
1807 Abolition in Prussia, Germany The Stein-Hardenberg Reforms.
1811 Spain abolishes slavery at home and in all colonies except Cuba,Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo
1814 Dutch outlaw slave trade
1815 British pay Portuguese £750,000 (several hundred million dollars in current values) to cease their trade
1815 Congress of Vienna. 8 Victorious powers declared their opposition to slavery
1817 Spain paid £400,000 by British to cease trade to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo[10]
1818 Treaty between Britain and Spain to abolish slave trade
1818 Treaty between Britain and Portugal to abolish slave trade
1818 France and Holland abolish slave trading
1819 Treaty between Britain and Netherlands to abolish slave trade
1821 Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela abolish slavery
1822 Greece abolishes slavery.
1823 Chile abolishes slavery
1827 Treaty between Britain and Sweden to abolish slave trade
1829 Mexico abolishes slavery
1831 Bolivia abolishes slavery
1834 The Slavery Abolition Act 1833 comes into force, abolishing slavery throughout most of the British Empire. The exceptions being territories controlled by the Honourable East India Company and the islands of Ceylon and St Helena.
1834 Jamaica abolishes slavery
1835 Treaty between Britain and France to abolish slave trade
1835 Treaty between Britain and France and Denmark to abolish slave trade
1836 Portugal abolishes transatlantic slave trade
1840 Treaty between Britain and Venezuela to abolish slave trade
1841 Quintuple Treaty is signed; England, France, Russia, Prussia, and Austria agree to suppress slave trade
1842 Uruguay abolishes slavery[3]
1843 Treaty between Britain and Uruguay to suppress slave trade
1843 Treaty between Britain and Mexico to suppress slave trade
1843 Treaty between Britain and Chile to suppress slave trade
1843 Argentina abolishes slavery
1843 Treaty between Britain and Bolivia to abolish slave trade
1846 Tunisia abolishes slavery
1847 Sweden abolishes slavery
1848 Denmark abolishes slavery
1848 Slavery abolished in all French and Danish colonies
1848 Treaty between Britain and Muscat to suppress slave trade [11]
1849 Treaty between Britain and Persian Gulf states to suppress slave trade [11]
1851 Brazil ends slave trade
1854 Peru abolishes slavery
1854 Venezuela abolishes slavery
1855 Moldavia abolishes slavery.
1856 Wallachia abolishes slavery
1862 Cuba abolishes slave trade
1863 Slavery abolished in Dutch colonies

And I seem to remember that it was Mexico's abolition of slavery that was one of the main causes of the Texas revolt. The Americans who moved to Texas wanted to keep their slaves and the Mexican govt said no. So the immigrants declared Texas a seperate state from Mexico. And bam you had the Texas war of independence. A war that was mostly intended to ensure that Texans could keep slaves.






Though there were a few whose actual intention was annexation into the USA.