NationStates Jolt Archive

The Government.

That's right. You've chosen your massive and valiant space fleet, complete with the supreme commander, his/her loyal sidekick, the flagship, Your fighter squadrons, your motive for the war, and the attackers.

Now tell us, what sort of Government would be the most suited to produce a fleet of this type? What's the best political system with the ability to take care of its own needs and the peoples' as well as have the industrial and scientific ability to create this defensive armada?

A constitutional monarchy, with a certain amount of real power vested in the nobility, providing continuity of government, and a certain amount vested in the elected assemblies, providing popular input into government. The former would be necessary to enable a government stretching over light years, while the latter allows for humane government.

An extremely populist military dictatorship, obviously.

I was thinking a Capitalist Monarchy.

Capitalist because private industry is, and has always been, the most productive economic model in terms of raw industrial strength and innovation.

Monarchy because to assemble such a space fleet for such a singular purpose would require a political will that's next to impossible to achieve with a democratic system hobbled by the will of a population that
may or may not have even the slightest idea what's going on.

The Government.

That's right. You've chosen your massive and valiant space fleet, complete with the supreme commander, his/her loyal sidekick, the flagship, Your fighter squadrons, your motive for the war, and the attackers.

Now tell us, what sort of Government would be the most suited to produce a fleet of this type? What's the best political system with the ability to take care of its own needs and the peoples' as well as have the industrial and scientific ability to create this defensive armada?

Mine! A Queendom or the very Spanish Inquisition. Why? Because no one expects it.:D

Mine! A Queendom or the very Spanish Inquisition. Why? Because no one expects it.:D

Never! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A)

Never! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A)

Blasphemer (http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sbo0846l.jpg)!!

An extremely populist military dictatorship, obviously.

Something like the government of Starship Troopers but not?

Something like the government of Starship Troopers but not?
Sorta, aye.

Sorta, aye.
Starship Troopers is more of a what? Democratic military oligarchy?

Starship Troopers is more of a what? Democratic military oligarchy?

Limited franchise democracy. With the franchise limited to military veterans.

Starship Troopers is more of a what? Democratic military oligarchy?

I think Starship Troopers meant to portray the Government as being a totalitarian "benevolent dictatorship." (According to the sense given by the commentary with the director.) He wanted to show how information was under the complete control of the Government (the propaganda clips, the propaganda taught in school).

And remember the line Mr. Rasczak said to Rico at the dance:

"The freedom to choose [whether nor not to become a citizen through military service] is the only freedom you really have left. Use it."

Ever read "Starship troopers"? Yeah, that would work.

In a purely pragmatic sense, the obvious answere is capitallist military dictatorship, along the lines of Nazi Germany. Of course if the dictator is nuts/incompetant(like Hitler), then your fairly screwed.

In light of that consideration, I'll take a Capitallist Constitutional Monarchy as well.

Monarchic democracy.

I'm thinking something along the lines of the Star Kingdom of Manticore - with an elected legislature, but a hereditary monarchy with real power.

Only a capitalist society can provide the scientific advancements or industrial capability needed to build such a force. But a monarchy ensures that key aspects of foreign policy will not change every few years as new leaders take power.

Government? A Waaagh! isn't a form of government!

Only a capitalist society can provide the scientific advancements or industrial capability needed to build such a force.
A patently false assertion repeatedly made by those raised to be scared of the communist bogeyman. Which is ironic considering why be scared of something that by your own beliefs can't be as technologically or industrially advanced? :rolleyes:

A patently false assertion repeatedly made by those raised to be scared of the communist bogeyman. Which is ironic considering why be scared of something that by your own beliefs can't be as technologically or industrially advanced? :rolleyes:

Perhaps you could show us an example from history that proves the assertion false?

I dont have the slightless idea of what this threat is about....

but the only form of goverment that could possible work is a Holy Empire with me as Holy Immortal Emperor.

Perhaps you could show us an example from history that proves the assertion false?
I don't know who you think we had the space race with but it wasn't Japan...

I don't know who you think we had the space race with but it wasn't Japan...

If someone had to build you a space fleet, would you want to use Soviet tech, or American tech?

I don't know who you think we had the space race with but it wasn't Japan...

The soviet's rocket advancements was don't largely with kidnapped German scientist.

If someone had to build you a space fleet, would you want to use Soviet tech, or American tech?
Apparently NASA thinks Soviet tech.

The soviet's rocket advancements was don't largely with kidnapped German scientist.
You're not very familiar with the American space program, are you?

Mine! A Queendom or the very Spanish Inquisition. Why? Because no one expects it.:D

A Woman leader in a time of War? Well, that's just gonna be a repeat of Actium. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium)


*Runs*

A Woman leader in a time of War? Well, that's just gonna be a repeat of Actium. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium)


*Runs*

<_<
I take offense to that. Cleopatra was a psyco bitch, but she was respected, you know. I ain´t no psyco bitch.:p

The Government.
each planet in my... err... Gallimaufry (for lack of a better word) will be governed however they want to be governed. if one planet wants a planetary monachy; then so be it, if another wants to be a theocracy; so be it.

the only concessions each planet must abide by is
1) Each planet must allow free travel from the planet. while they can control who can come in, if a person wants to leave, they will be allowed to leave.
2) Internal matters will not be the concerned of the Gallimaufry. the Federation body will concern itself only when conflicts threaten to spread out to other planets.
3) all conflicts that involve other planets (citizens of one planet breaking the law while visiting others) will be dealt with not within the planet's government, but within a designated devision of the Gallimaufry that will mediate between the two to determine Guilt or Non-Guilt.
4) Trade is handled through the Gallimaufry, this is to reduce planetary taxes and to establish more control. Planets can control who they trade with and how, but the negotiations are handled at Gallimaufry Central. if planets attempt to set up their own trade by bypassing the Gallimaufry, then all involve will be punished. For example. Earth and Terraformed Mars want to set up a trade of resources. Their representatives will perform the negotiations at Gallimaufry Central, Gallimaufry Officials will document the negotiations, any changes, and hold the trade agreements in storage. The Gallimaufry will recieve a small percentage of the trade instead of taxes.

more to be thought up as I think them up.

A patently false assertion repeatedly made by those raised to be scared of the communist bogeyman. Which is ironic considering why be scared of something that by your own beliefs can't be as technologically or industrially advanced? :rolleyes:

A communist society could do it, I'll admit. But you only have to look at the United States v. the Soviet Union to see that a capitalist society can do it better. The Soviets got a head start on the US in the space race. Then the US overtook them and got to the moon first.

I won't deny the technological breakthroughs of the Soviet Union. For producing Sputnik and Yuri Gagarin, the Soviet Union deserves to be remembered forever (they also get credit for Tetris). And frankly, the Russians are damn good engineers. But the US has superior technology and industrial production.

See, competition breeds efficiency and innovation. You're trying to outdo the other guy.

Anyway, those are the reasons I want a capitalist economy to produce my fleet.

A communist society could do it, I'll admit. But you only have to look at the United States v. the Soviet Union to see that a capitalist society can do it better. The Soviets got a head start on the US in the space race. Then the US overtook them and got to the moon first.

Very true. The Russians were launching space capsules into orbit back when the Founding Fathers were attending grammar school.

An anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more serious affairs.

Sorry but Nanatsu started it.

An anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more serious affairs.

Sorry but Nanatsu started it.
I prefer a government in which strange women lying in ponds distribute swords to determine who is the supreme ruler of the nation.

I prefer a government in which strange women lying in ponds distribute swords to determine who is the supreme ruler of the nation.

:p

strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you.

An anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more serious affairs.

Sorry but Nanatsu started it.

Em... what did I start again?:confused:

A Marxist Government would work best for this venture.
Send all the fitter stronger rich folks to fight, all money in control of the government and it's people, and seeing as there is alien races to annihilate the people would fully back strong military forces and work all the harder for... the greater good.
For every citizen that falls in combat 3 more take his place, the universe would see a never ending red tide of blood.
All private industry would be abolished and controlled strictly by the government, the new boom in metal industries and food and clothing would supply the military forces for years in space.
There would be no civil war because the government is made up by the people, all people whether they want to or not.

Em... what did I start again?:confused:

The Monty Phyton skit, when you mentioned the Spanish Inquisition. Sorry I didn't mean to blame you in a bad way.

The Monty Phyton skit, when you mentioned the Spanish Inquisition. Sorry I didn't mean to blame you in a bad way.

Nah, I didn´t take it in a bad way. But I was named the Spanish Inquisition by one of the posters and, since Monty Python has a skit on it, I´m milking it for all it´s worth.

After all, I´m the only active Spaniard of the Forum (considering that The Macabees is around), hence... NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION.

Plus, I forgot whatever it was I first posted.:p That´s why I asked.

A Republic controlled by a shadowy Computer AI

A Libertarian Utopia

A Libertarian Utopia

A good government? Yes.

Good for a massive space-faring war-making fleet? No.