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It's official! Hillary dropped out of the race! *Pulls out party hat* Thoughts anyone?

WOO!

http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_9479625

I think there is a sticky for American election issues at the top of the page.

I kept reading the first few lines as "pre-historic presidential campaign" :p

still good on her though, I think (I mean I think shes wanted to be president for quite some time)

No biggie! I think Obama will pick her as a running mate and they will win!

People today are always looking for a bargin! Do the math!
2 1/2 presidents > 1 president! ;)

I kept reading the first few lines as "pre-historic presidential campaign" :p

still good on her though, I think (I mean I think shes wanted to be president for quite some time)
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It's official! Hillary dropped out of the race! *Pulls out party hat* Thoughts anyone?

WOO!

http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_9479625

From your link:
Hillary to endorse Obama; drop out by week's end
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Article Launched: 06/04/2008 04:39:06 PM PDT

Why are you posting a five day old story as if it weret todays news?

Especially since events have past it by. She isn't going to drop out and endorse Obama by the end of the week - she already did so two days ago.

I think there is a sticky for American election issues at the top of the page.

Indeed.

No biggie! I think Obama will pick her as a running mate and they will win!

The first appears highly unlikely. The second, however, does appear likely.

I agree with Dragontide and The_pantless_Hero, Hillay might have helped provide health care and such, and even though she has dropped out Obama will probably take her as running mate and they will win. Which would be good because even if Obama screws up Hillary has exp. and can help.

I agree with Dragontide and The_pantless_Hero, Hillay might have helped provide health care and such, and even though she has dropped out Obama will probably take her as running mate and they will win. Which would be good because even if Obama screws up Hillary has exp. and can help.

And the lovely "Obama needs a chaperone" argument rears it's uly little head again.

And the lovely "Obama needs a chaperone" argument rears it's uly little head again.

Why ugly? He's a politician of relatively little experience (especially compared to Mccain) so the idea of him balancing the ticket with a more experienced running mate is unsurprising and normal.

Why ugly? He's a politician of relatively little experience (especially compared to Mccain) so the idea of him balancing the ticket with a more experienced running mate is unsurprising and normal.

One: He actually has more experience than she does - he has eleven years in elected office versus her seven.

Two: Experience is not an effective metric.

Three: It's ugly because of the racist conotations. If HRC were the candidate, and it were suggested she needed a on the ticket to pick up the pieces when she screwed up due to her lack of experience, you'd likely be jumping up and down...

I agree with Dragontide and The_pantless_Hero, Hillay might have helped provide health care and such, and even though she has dropped out Obama will probably take her as running mate and they will win. Which would be good because even if Obama screws up Hillary has exp. and can help.

You can agree with my all you want but I feel it is important to tell you I wasn't making a point, at all. He just made me think of that character from ATHF and that was the only political argument I could think up at the time.

Why ugly? He's a politician of relatively little experience (especially compared to Mccain) so the idea of him balancing the ticket with a more experienced running mate is unsurprising and normal.

Hilldog is hardly "more experienced"

Her lead in experience versus Obama is minimal at best. Being first lady doesn't count.

Being first lady doesn't count.

Indeed. My father was an engineer a Y-12, Oak Ridge, and helped design the warheads for the Trident missiles. Although she has a science degree, I certainly wouldn't want anyone to ask my mother to help design the next gen of nuclear warheads...

Technically, she has not ended her campaign, merely suspended it. This allows her to continue fund-raising until the convention. She has a substantial debt to retire. She has also not released her delegates. This ensures she will still have a voice at the convention. It ain't over 'til it's over, folks.

Hilldog is hardly "more experienced"

Her lead in experience versus Obama is minimal at best. Being first lady doesn't count.
It counts but not entirely in a way that matters.

Hillary has hardly more experience than Obama in the senate, and certainly doesn't have any more experiance in law practice and civic work against Obama's Harvard Law credentials and civic organizer/Illinois state representative run.

Though Hillary has suspended her campaign, and technically is still in the fight, it's improbable and asinine at this point to think that Obama doesn't have the nomination in the bag.

An Obama/Hillary ticket could do just as much damage as it could do good. A lot of Obama's support comes from independents and democrats who didn't want Hillary in office, so there is a danger that he could lose those votes if he welcomes her into his inner circle. A more realistic choice would probably be Jon Edwards, though Hillary as his running mate would certainly be the hugest superstar team the Democratic party has ever seen.

Looking at the way things are now, McCain has a fight ahead of him. Even FoxNews is going for his throat, making him look like an incompetent old cripple. If that outlasts Obama's controversies than McCain's hopes are dim. If not, then we have an interesting summer/fall to look forward to.

Hillary has hardly more experience than Obama in the senate, and certainly doesn't have any more experiance in law practice and civic work against Obama's Harvard Law credentials and civic organizer/Illinois state representative run.
Setting aside the fact that Hillary is a Yale Law School graduate, was a law professor, was a partner at the Rose Law Firm for fifteen years, worked on the Watergate impeachment proceedings as well as at the Children's Defense Fund, and was chair of the Legal Services Corporation. :rolleyes:

"It's official! Hillary dropped out of the race! *Pulls out party hat* Thoughts anyone?

WOO!"

allahu akbar!!!!

Setting aside the fact that Hillary is a Yale Law School graduate, was a law professor, was a partner at the Rose Law Firm for fifteen years, worked on the Watergate impeachment proceedings as well as at the Children's Defense Fund, and was chair of the Legal Services Corporation. :rolleyes:

right, we were setting that aside. sheesh

oh, and I'm not going to be missing her annoying voice on the five sound bites that she releases every freaking day. I know it's a small insignificant thing, but over four years it might have driven me insane.

I am glad Hillary lost because I dislike her stances on civil liberties issues. She was not socially liberal enough, and she didn't take a strong enough stand for freedom of speech as her record shows.

Since I'm a civil libertarian, the choice was clear.

If you are planning to bolt the party because she lost, excellent riddance.

If not, :fluffle: .

Good. Now I can vote FOR someone instead of against Hillary.

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If only McCain...and Obama would also drop out, my joy would be complete.

Why parkus, so bush can have another 4 years? Or are you hoping for Barr?

Setting aside the fact that Hillary is a Yale Law School graduate, was a law professor, was a partner at the Rose Law Firm for fifteen years, worked on the Watergate impeachment proceedings as well as at the Children's Defense Fund, and was chair of the Legal Services Corporation. :rolleyes:

She has more legal experience by virtue of being 13 years older, definately. But I believe, however ineptly, the point was that she has significantly more private sector work in small-market areas than does Barack Obama. Not that that's a bad thing, but it doesn't stack up as well as she had implied when you look at Obama's years as a community organizer, lecturer at Chicago (he was technically a non-research/tenure-track professor, of civil rights law no less), and state senator. She has a pretty decent resume; so does he. But there was only one trying to cast him or herself as the voice of experience in this campaign between the two of them, so it's on balance a net negative for her.

I will reiterate, however, that the combined Obama/Clinton ticket is a terrible idea. 1) Obama doesn't have to take her to make up ground against McCain with dissaffected feminists; all he'll have to do is wait for the campaign to put:

Q: *spectator* "How do we beat the bitch?"
A: *McCain* *chuckles heartily to himself*

On endless loop, and McCain will cut his own throat.

2) There are no states right now that she can win that he can't also. Seriously guys: West Virginia hasn't gone Democrat since 1996, and Kerry lost it by 13 points. It's beyond safe Republican territory. He wasn't going to win Appalachia, but then again neither was she. And really, what groups was she winning consistently but Appalachia and older voters?

3) There are states that he can win that she can't. One of the things you never hear about in the news, because it would mean admitting that there is a United States of America west of the Mississippi that isn't California, is the trending of states in the Midwest, Southwest, and Mountain West towards blue. Colorado, New Mexico, Nebraska are all states that are losing their reddish tint at a pretty quick pace. Nevada has for the past 10 years or so been held Republican by no more than 50,000 more regular Republican voters than Democrats. Even more importantly, Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada are all increasing in population as people hemmorage out of traditional Democratic strongholds in the Northeast and California. But one other thing about places like the Mountain West or Midwest is that Westerners and Midwesterners really, really, really hate the Clintons. So if you want to really bring places that are up and coming like New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, and Nebraska into the blue state coalition, you CANNOT nominate Hillary Clinton. Even, I might add, as vice-president. That's just the way it is.

4) Wouldn't you all think it's disctinctly. . .I don't know, undemocratic that the "New, Transformational" candidate puts the wife of a former president on his ticket? I don't know about you, but the closest foreign approximation of that situation, when Medvehdev put Putin in as Prime Minister upon replacing Putin as President, wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the health of the Russian democratic experiment.

I would love a female president in the US, but not her. I've come to completely distrust her, and pretty much anything she is involved in. She lies like there's no tomorrow, and then yells at peple because they point out her lies. Not my cup of tea. If you're a liar, at the very least be polite!

If Obama chooses her as a running-mate, he will lose, I'm pretty sure about that. The Hillary voters he will gain, seems to be alot fewer than the "don't wanna vote for the liar" he will win.