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I always knew if my old high school made the news it would be for something retarded

Charlen
08-06-2008, 04:16
And apparently I was correct.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5005097&page=1

It was a typical first period class on a Monday morning at El Camino High School in the beach town of Oceanside, Calif., when the students got the shock of their lives.
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May 19, 2008. Oceanside, CA. Drama students from El Camino High School in Oceanside, created a re-enactment of a car accident to show the dangers of driving alcohol and driving. The event was sponsored by Mothers Against Drunk Drivers and grant funds from the CHP. The entire student body filled the school's football stadium to see the staged event. Local police officers, firefighters, the coroner's dept. and a life flight helicopter participated in the re-creation, on Monday morning. There were also events, including a video presentation scheduled for Tuesday. The event was also photographed by school student photographers, videographers and a video team from the local Oceanside cable channel.

A uniformed police officer walked into several classrooms and somberly announced that fellow students had been killed in a drunken driving accident. After reading a brief eulogy, the officer placed a rose on the deceased student's seat and left the room.

The reaction was immediate: Some students broke into tears, others gasped in silent despair and a few became nearly hysterical.

After two hours of coping with their grief, the stunned juniors and seniors were led into an athletic stadium to witness the gruesome scene as the "dead" students, streaked in blood, were pulled out of the wrecked car by local police and firefighters.

That's when they were finally told that it was all part of a ruse designed to educate them about the dangers of drinking and driving. It was an extreme version of "Every 15 Minutes," a program popular in high schools around the country (the title of which refers to how often an alcohol-related traffic fatality occurs in the United States).

But some traumatized students and teachers, including a popular English instructor, were still reeling, upset and angry at the deception.

"It was outrageous," says one parent who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the situation. "My daughter came home a wreck -- she didn't get over it for days. She was more freaked out than educated about drunk driving."

So essentially some sick minds at the school thought that giving students emotional breakdowns was any sort of suitable way to teach a lesson.
I have no argument whatsoever with the intended message, but there are so many moral and decent ways they could've tried to get it across. I understand fully that's how the students would feel if their friends did die in a wreck for real, but to boldly lie like that and bring unnecessary emotional trauma like that is uncalled for and just flat out wrong.
It's a lesson that needs to be taught, but as with teaching any lessons you need to respect the basic rules of decency and morality.
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 04:19
Wow...that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Potarius
08-06-2008, 04:23
That's fucking awful.
Kimetic Peoples
08-06-2008, 04:23
I disagree with you, it seemed like an effective way to get the point across, it was a way to break through their skulls and indifference and got the point across. I am willing to bet that the students will think more than twice before drinking and driving now. Yes there is emotional trauma but America these days is cuddling their children way to much i think.


Hope this makes sense.
Potarius
08-06-2008, 04:27
I disagree with you, it seemed like an effective way to get the point across, it was a way to break through their skulls and indifference and got the point across. I am willing to bet that the students will think more than twice before drinking and driving now. Yes there is emotional trauma but America these days is cuddling their children way to much i think.


Hope this makes sense.

When things like this happen, most people tend to become extremely angry and vengeful, and not think "Oh, well wait a minute, that's a good point." --- they want to get back at the fuckers who tormented them.
Conserative Morality
08-06-2008, 04:28
Wow...that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Indeed.
RhynoD
08-06-2008, 04:29
I disagree with you, it seemed like an effective way to get the point across, it was a way to break through their skulls and indifference and got the point across. I am willing to bet that the students will think more than twice before drinking and driving now. Yes there is emotional trauma but America these days is cuddling their children way to much i think.


Hope this makes sense.

I agree. Tough love all the way.

Still, I wouldn't want to go through that.
Kimetic Peoples
08-06-2008, 04:31
When things like this happen, most people tend to become extremely angry and vengeful, and not think "Oh, well wait a minute, that's a good point." --- they want to get back at the fuckers who tormented them.

That may be true, but hopefully will make them think as well, especially after the first bit of shock and awe wear off.
Sarkhaan
08-06-2008, 04:32
We had a mock car accident every other year before Senior Prom. It really isn't that big of a deal.
Granted, we knew about it, and it took place in the parking lot, so it was clearly rigged (esp. my snr. year when I was told the fire truck had to leave for an actual fire....), but really, it isn't that awful.

We got more of a rise for our "dead for a day", which was every other year alternating with the car crash...every 15 minutes, a new group of students would paint their faces white and would be "dead" for the rest of the day...not allowed to respond to anything. By the end of the day, it was about 200 students out of the 1000 person school.
Potarius
08-06-2008, 04:32
That may be true, but hopefully will make them think as well, especially after the first bit of shock and awe wear off.

That would make it a Pyrrhic Victory, would it not?

It wouldn't be worth much.
Potarius
08-06-2008, 04:33
We had a mock car accident every other year before Senior Prom. It really isn't that big of a deal.
Granted, we knew about it, and it took place in the parking lot, so it was clearly rigged (esp. my snr. year when I was told the fire truck had to leave for an actual fire....), but really, it isn't that awful.

We got more of a rise for our "dead for a day", which was every other year alternating with the car crash...every 15 minutes, a new group of students would paint their faces white and would be "dead" for the rest of the day...not allowed to respond to anything. By the end of the day, it was about 200 students out of the 1000 person school.

Staging something with everybody knowing about it's different from what this school did. Much.
Sarkhaan
08-06-2008, 04:34
Wow...that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Out of curiosity...why?
Vetalia
08-06-2008, 04:40
Did the dead kids at least get the day off?
Sarkhaan
08-06-2008, 04:46
Staging something with everybody knowing about it's different from what this school did. Much.

To be fair, the only reason we assumed it wasn't real was because we knew it was semiannual. They went through great lengths to hide who would be involved and when it would occur. And, given that one year we had two real accidents, it can still be a bit...stirring.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 04:58
Did the dead kids at least get the day off?

Well how else are they going to get buried?
Kyronea
08-06-2008, 05:03
And apparently I was correct.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5005097&page=1



So essentially some sick minds at the school thought that giving students emotional breakdowns was any sort of suitable way to teach a lesson.
I have no argument whatsoever with the intended message, but there are so many moral and decent ways they could've tried to get it across. I understand fully that's how the students would feel if their friends did die in a wreck for real, but to boldly lie like that and bring unnecessary emotional trauma like that is uncalled for and just flat out wrong.
It's a lesson that needs to be taught, but as with teaching any lessons you need to respect the basic rules of decency and morality.

My high school got into the news because someone took hostages and eventually killed a student. You should feel glad this was only a deception.

A stupid one at that. I get the idea behind why they did it, but it was far too extreme and was bound to just piss people off.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:08
Wow...that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Question, would paying someone to visit the cops at work (separately) and tell them their mothers had died warrant a lawsuit?
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:09
When things like this happen, most people tend to become extremely angry and vengeful, and not think "Oh, well wait a minute, that's a good point." --- they want to get back at the fuckers who tormented them.

I, for one, favor paying actors to tell the cops their mothers or partners, etc, died.

Edit: Partners would be more believable, when dealing with the cops.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:11
Out of curiosity...why?

Neo will likely rip my head off and with good reason for trying to guess the law of America not being an American nor skilled at Law even here in Brazil, but I think intentional infliction of emotional distress?
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 05:15
Neo will likely rip my head off and with good reason for trying to guess the law of America not being skilled at Law even in Brazil, but I think intentional infliction of emotional distress?

No need to do any ripping. That is quite correct.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
08-06-2008, 05:15
Neo will likely rip my head off and with good reason, but I think intentional infliction of emotional distress?

Christ man, you live in this country, don't you? Don't apologize for knowing something about the laws we're all subject to. :p And people wonder how lawyers get away with exorbitant billing.
Fleckenstein
08-06-2008, 05:17
Christ man, you live in this country, don't you? Don't apologize for knowing something about the laws we're all subject to. :p And people wonder how lawyers get away with exorbitant billing.

He doesn't, actually.
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 05:18
Christ man, you live in this country, don't you?

No, he's from Brazil, didn't you read the post?

Don't apologize for knowing something about the laws we're all subject to. :p And people wonder how lawyers get away with exorbitant billing.

Lawyers charge so much because people find our services worth it. If you want to do your own legal work, you're welcome to it. That's most certainly your right.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:18
Christ man, you live in this country, don't you? Don't apologize for knowing something about the laws we're all subject to. :p And people wonder how lawyers get away with exorbitant billing.

Brazil. ;)
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:19
No, he's from Brazil, didn't you read the post?

To his credit, I edited it.
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 05:20
To his credit, I edited it.

ahh, ok, fair enough
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:21
No need to do any ripping. That is quite correct.

Yay. :D

Anyways, would it be called even if some students got someone to tell these idiots their relatives, etc, etc, died? Preferably filming their reactions with a hidden camera for a good laugh from the student body?
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 05:23
Yay. :D

Anyways, would it be called even if some students got someone to tell these idiots their relatives, etc, etc, died? Preferably filming their reactions with a hidden camera for a good laugh from the student body?

I'm not sure what you're asking...if someone basically did the same to them?
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
08-06-2008, 05:23
No, he's from Brazil, didn't you read the post?

The amendment was helpful, yeah. ;)

Lawyers charge so much because people find our services worth it. If you want to do your own legal work, you're welcome to it. That's most certainly your right.

No doubt. Consumer beliefs can be nonsensical, that's all I meant to say. The legal profession isn't the worst exploiter of that fact by a long shot, but there are many notable exceptions.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:24
I'm not sure what you're asking...if someone basically did the same to them?

Yup. The camera included because, well, revenge is better watched.

Edit: Mind you, I'd do it BEFORE any lawsuits. If they sued, well, it'd be great, because they'd instantly get sued by THE ENTIRE STUDENT BODY for something THEY SAW AS WRONG WHEN DONE TO THEM. See the tactics?
Katganistan
08-06-2008, 05:25
Out of curiosity...why?

Emotional abuse, mental cruelty?

Though no cop reads a eulogy and leaves a rose on the dead student's chair... that should have been a tip off...
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:27
Emotional abuse, mental cruelty?

Though no cop reads a eulogy and leaves a rose on the dead student's chair...

They'd not think about that, I think. I mean, you don't go "wait, this guy's behavior is rather off..." when they're talking about a friend's death.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 05:28
Wow...that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Aren't Emotional Damage lawsuits fickle though? I mean how do you measure emotional damage in terms of cash?
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:30
Aren't Emotional Damage lawsuits fickle though? I mean how do you measure emotional damage in terms of cash?

You sue the derelicts for everything they've got and then some, and what the Judge and Jury award is yours. Sorta like shaking a tree to see how much fruit drops.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 05:36
You sue the derelicts for everything they've got and then some, and what the Judge and Jury award is yours. Sorta like shaking a tree to see how much fruit drops.

Ahh.

I dunno, if this happened to me back in High School, I would've been pissed off because I was decepted, but at the same time, I'd be angry at the fact that I didn't 'die' and get a day off. I doubt anyone at my old High School would miss me though. I was a loner.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 05:45
Ahh.

I dunno, if this happened to me back in High School, I would've been pissed off because I was decepted, but at the same time, I'd be angry at the fact that I didn't 'die' and get a day off. I doubt anyone at my old High School would miss me though. I was a loner.

If it happened to me, I'd see to it that an actor visited the morons a week later telling them about their mothers' gruesome deaths at the hands of rapists. I'd make sure words like "slow", "painful" and "eye-gouging" were included.

Nemo me impune lacessit.
Terran-Caldari
08-06-2008, 05:59
Sounds like something we have down here called Shattered Lives, But the students volunteer and the parents know..As for that being unexpected ya thats a lawsuit wating to happen
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 06:02
Aren't Emotional Damage lawsuits fickle though? I mean how do you measure emotional damage in terms of cash?

Intentional v. negligent. Two whole different ball games.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 06:04
Nemo me impune lacessit.

humanum est errare
Brutland and Norden
08-06-2008, 06:05
That reenactment sounds fun. I'd like to play in one of those.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 06:08
humanum est errare

Fair enough, which is why I WOULDN'T run over a guy that accidentally ran over my dog. But this was no accident.

Also, I think it's "Errare humanum est".
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 06:09
That reenactment sounds fun. I'd like to play in one of those.

Oh, sure scaring an entire school sh*tless and having it called a service to the community would be fun. :p
Sarkhaan
08-06-2008, 06:17
Neo will likely rip my head off and with good reason for trying to guess the law of America not being an American nor skilled at Law even here in Brazil, but I think intentional infliction of emotional distress?

No need to do any ripping. That is quite correct.

Emotional abuse, mental cruelty?
gotcha.
Though no cop reads a eulogy and leaves a rose on the dead student's chair... that should have been a tip off...

thats sort of my thinking, but i was also in a shcool where this happened every other year
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 06:19
Fair enough, which is why I WOULDN'T run over a guy that accidentally ran over my dog. But this was no accident.

Also, I think it's "Errare humanum est".

Yah, you are probably right about the word order.

People fuck up though. Sometimes for the right reasons. Cut some slack. Yanno. The sun will still come up tomorrow and all that.
Brutland and Norden
08-06-2008, 06:20
Oh, sure scaring an entire school sh*tless and having it called a service to the community would be fun. :p
I like officially sanctioned pranks. ;)

Also, who knows, some Hollywood producer might spot me and cast me in another dead role. :D
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 06:22
Also, who knows, some Hollywood producer might spot me and cast me in another dead role. :D

How would you manage to remember your lines?
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 06:23
Yah, you are probably right about the word order.

People fuck up though. Sometimes for the right reasons. Cut some slack. Yanno. The sun will still come up tomorrow and all that.

Problem is, it's expecting a bit too little of people. I mean, picture the girlfriend or boyfriend of one of the "dead"...
Brutland and Norden
08-06-2008, 06:26
How would you manage to remember your lines?
Easy.

"Brains! BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAINSSSSSSS!"
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 06:27
Easy.

"Brains! BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAINSSSSSSS!"

Dead ≠ Undead

:p
Sel Appa
08-06-2008, 06:29
That's a great idea. People don't seem to get the point and maybe this will do it. Good job school. :)
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 06:30
That's a great idea. People don't seem to get the point and maybe this will do it. Good job school. :)

You do realize one could then argue that it would be acceptable to make a point in favor of, say, abortion in case of rape, to a couple of conservative parents, by telling them their daughter was raped and she wants to get rid of the fetus?
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 06:30
Alright, alright. Actually I don't like to play zombies, but if that will give me my breakthrough role, I'll accept it. For now I'll be contented to lying motionless in awkward positions.

Try not to get typecast...
Brutland and Norden
08-06-2008, 06:31
Dead ≠ Undead

:p
Alright, alright. Actually I don't like to play zombies, but if that will give me my breakthrough role, I'll accept it. For now I'll be contented to lying motionless in awkward positions.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 06:31
Problem is, it's expecting a bit too little of people. I mean, picture the girlfriend or boyfriend of one of the "dead"...

I don't imagine they actually killed people to prove a point. So, really, not that bad.

Look, it was an extremely douchey thing to do. And I don't agree with it at all. But the motivation wasn't evil, it was just stupid. But you don't spank a puppy with an axe is all I am saying.

Though I think all concerned should be fired.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 06:32
I don't imagine they actually killed people to prove a point. So, really, not that bad.

Look, it was an extremely douchey thing to do. And I don't agree with it at all. But the motivation wasn't evil, it was just stupid. But you don't spank a puppy with an axe is all I am saying.

Though I think all concerned should be fired.

Why I used the quote-unquote. I mean, if a boyfriend that got told his beloved was dead, for instance.

Regardless, I'd like to see it done on the perpetrators BEFORE they were fired.

Think about it: "Nah, your mother isn't dead. You're just fired." :p
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 06:32
I just thought of a South Park Episode where Rob Reiner came to South Park because the boys were smoking. Anyways, Eric made a commercial with Rob's Anti-Smoking crew, and in order for the commercial to be effective, Eric would have to be dead. Because in the commercial he says that Second hand smoke killed him.

This prank made me think of that.
Conserative Morality
08-06-2008, 06:34
I don't imagine they actually killed people to prove a point. So, really, not that bad.

Look, it was an extremely douchey thing to do. And I don't agree with it at all. But the motivation wasn't evil, it was just stupid. But you don't spank a puppy with an axe is all I am saying.

Though I think all concerned should be fired.

You don't? You don't discipline your puppies correctly then! :p
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 06:38
You don't? You don't discipline your puppies correctly then! :p

Pfft. Despite what Barbra Woodhouse tells you, it really doesn't work. Quite messy in fact.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 06:46
Pfft. Despite what Barbra Woodhouse tells you, it really doesn't work. Quite messy in fact.

I don't know, I disciplined my dog with an axe, and 11 years later, he still hasn't pooped on the carpet.

Or at all for that matter, He has to use a colostomy bag.
Brutland and Norden
08-06-2008, 06:53
Try not to get typecast...
It has its advantages. People would be amazed that I can do living characters too. :)
Croatoan Green
08-06-2008, 06:56
Why is everyone so up on this? Really? It sounds rather hilarious. I mean. Come on. The entire thing stinks of a set up.. When was the last time that in a real car accident death a uniformed police officer has come to your school and told you a student has died? Or left a rose for them? I don't know about you, but whenever any student died in such an accident it was announced over the loud speaker at the start of the day with the morning announcement. In one of my schools there was actual grief counselors called in who saw people in the library.

Add into the fact that your shown graphic footage? What now these people happend to have a camera on them that managed to survive the car crash undamaged and remain filming in just the right angles to catch all the gruesome details?

I'm sure people are going to get sued. But I can't fathom why. It's silly.

This was obviously a scared-straight tactic. There's nothing at all wrong with it. Do you think anyone would have paid the slightest attention if they had been told it was coming?
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 07:02
I don't know, I disciplined my dog with an axe, and 11 years later, he still hasn't pooped on the carpet.

Or at all for that matter, He has to use a colostomy bag.

I lolled. :)
Anti-Social Darwinism
08-06-2008, 07:05
I disagree with you, it seemed like an effective way to get the point across, it was a way to break through their skulls and indifference and got the point across. I am willing to bet that the students will think more than twice before drinking and driving now. Yes there is emotional trauma but America these days is cuddling their children way to much i think.


Hope this makes sense.

Sense.? So lying about the death of friends is a good way to get a point across. It seems to me that the point that's getting across is that lying is justifiable. Good way to engender trust in authority figures. There's enough trauma in the world without going out of one's way to invent it.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 07:07
Sense.? So lying about the death of friends is a good way to get a point across. It seems to me that the point that's getting across is that lying is justifiable. Good way to engender trust in authority figures. There's enough trauma in the world without going out of one's way to invent it.

Welcome to the world of adults/teenagers/child relationship. Adults think that teenagers are stupid idiots who can't understand anything with open dialogue and discussion. Instead, we have to shock them and lie to them to get a point across.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 07:14
It seems like that the authority figures had nothing to do with it. I am assuming that it may have been real cops. I'm not sure, it could have been actors. But barring that, it seems it was a performance art piece hosted by the theatre department. It was meant to shock the students so that they understood the true ramifications of drunk driving. Did they go to far? Perhaps, that is debatable. I personally laugh at this. I laugh even more knowing that most of those people who broke down probably didn't even really know the "victim."

I remember once there was some unknown kid in my school who got hit by a drunk driver, people were sobbing and weeping and they didn't even know who he was. I asked ten different people if they knew the guy and only three of four of them knew who he was, and only one of them ever even talked to him. I thought it was ridiculous.

The ones who were sobbing and weeping, what sex were they?
Croatoan Green
08-06-2008, 07:14
Sense.? So lying about the death of friends is a good way to get a point across. It seems to me that the point that's getting across is that lying is justifiable. Good way to engender trust in authority figures. There's enough trauma in the world without going out of one's way to invent it.

It seems like that the authority figures had nothing to do with it. I am assuming that it may have been real cops. I'm not sure, it could have been actors. But barring that, it seems it was a performance art piece hosted by the theatre department. It was meant to shock the students so that they understood the true ramifications of drunk driving. Did they go to far? Perhaps, that is debatable. I personally laugh at this. I laugh even more knowing that most of those people who broke down probably didn't even really know the "victim."

I remember once there was some unknown kid in my school who got hit by a drunk driver, people were sobbing and weeping and they didn't even know who he was. I asked ten different people if they knew the guy and only three of four of them knew who he was, and only one of them ever even talked to him. I thought it was ridiculous.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 07:16
And actually as an 'adult' I can tell you the opposite is quite often true. Most adults in the US are emotionally retarded children.

Yea, I don't like the emotionally retarded adult-child. I'd like to push them off of a very tall building and watch them fall to their death.
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 07:16
Welcome to the world of adults/teenagers/child relationship. Adults think that teenagers are stupid idiots who can't understand anything with open dialogue and discussion. Instead, we have to shock them and lie to them to get a point across.

And actually as an 'adult' I can tell you the opposite is quite often true. Most adults in the US are emotionally retarded children.
Anti-Social Darwinism
08-06-2008, 07:17
Welcome to the world of adults/teenagers/child relationship. Adults think that teenagers are stupid idiots who can't understand anything with open dialogue and discussion. Instead, we have to shock them and lie to them to get a point across.

And teens think adults are stupid idiots for reasons exactly like this. Most of us (adults) know that tactics like this are generally useless. Unfortunately, those of us who have the sense to understand this aren't in charge and are generally disregarded by presumably well-meaning asshats who come up with stupidity like this.

You're what, in your early 20s? You'll see a lot more of this crap before you get to my age. (OMG, did I really say that? I'm turning into my mother, help).
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 07:18
Yea, I don't like the emotionally retarded adult-child. I'd like to push them off of a very tall building and watch them fall to their death.

This is either somewhat clever satire, or hilarious irony.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 07:19
And teens think adults are stupid idiots for reasons exactly like this. Most of us (adults) know that tactics like this are generally useless. Unfortunately, those of us who have the sense to understand this aren't in charge and are generally disregarded by presumably well-meaning asshats who come up with stupidity like this.

You're what, in your early 20s? You'll see a lot more of this crap before you get to my age. (OMG, did I really say that? I'm turning into my mother, help).

I'm 24. Trust me, I've seen alot of humanity. I've seen two people deeply in love, and commited to each other for life. I've seen people being manipulative, I've seen fathers hurt the same thing that they are susspose to love, care and protect. I've seen doctors cry when they lose a patient, and I've seen businessmen who disregard a disaster as a chance to sell insurance. I've seen every faucet of human society.

That's why I am a 24 year old bittered, balding, cynical guy who has several emotional and mental walls built to keep people out, and who joke around when people actually show concern and care for him (him = me).

Yea, my life is great.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 07:19
This is either somewhat clever satire, or hilarious irony.

Pick one that'll help you sleep at night. :)
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 07:20
You realize that this was done and performed by other students right?

hmm.....

A uniformed police officer walked into several classrooms and somberly announced that fellow students had been killed in a drunken driving accident.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 07:20
This is either somewhat clever satire, or hilarious irony.

Ah, Neo, wanted to know if THEY could sue if someone got back at them or if it would end up amounting to admitting guilt... ;)
Croatoan Green
08-06-2008, 07:20
And teens think adults are stupid idiots for reasons exactly like this. Most of us (adults) know that tactics like this are generally useless. Unfortunately, those of us who have the sense to understand this aren't in charge and are generally disregarded by presumably well-meaning asshats who come up with stupidity like this.

You're what, in your early 20s? You'll see a lot more of this crap before you get to my age. (OMG, did I really say that? I'm turning into my mother, help).

You realize that this was done and performed by other students right? Not adults. MADD got involved, I don't know if they created the act, but my guess is they offered funding for the program and little else. This isn't the faculty performing a prank on the students to shock them. It's other students doing it.
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 07:21
I'm 24. Trust me, I've seen alot of humanity.

There's that hilarous irony again..
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 07:22
There's that hilarous irony again..

Are we bored?
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 07:22
Ah, Neo, wanted to know if THEY could sue if someone got back at them or if it would end up amounting to admitting guilt... ;)

guilt is a criminal law concept, not applicable to civil law.

However they could, presumably, while defendants in the lawsuit against them, be asked why they sued under similar facts..
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 07:23
Are we bored?

lil bit.
Wilgrove
08-06-2008, 07:25
lil bit.

Yea, I find that when people stalk me on forums, they either have a raging hard on for me, or they're just bored. If you're looking to cut me down a few pegs, then go ahead. You can win at the internet! As for me, I've stopped caring, so meh give me your best shot.
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 07:27
guilt is a criminal law concept, not applicable to civil law.

However they could, presumably, while defendants in the lawsuit against them, be asked why they sued under similar facts..

Ahh, so it might work. The students would manage to both get their due revenge and use a lawsuit against the students as a good resource in a lawsuit against the morons... I mean, of course, the students might get sued, but due to their sheer number... Maybe even getting each student to file a complaint separately, thus grinding the lives of the morons to a halt for one year or two... Maybe causing them to lose their jobs. And SURELY stressing them out.

Using them as examples.
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 07:29
Yea, I find that when people stalk me on forums

Stalk....you....?

You realize I was the first person to reply to this thread, and have been posting in it through the night, before you got online. Pretty hard to stalk anyone in a thread when I was there before he was...

So explain exactly how I am stalking you
Croatoan Green
08-06-2008, 07:29
hmm.....

I didn't say adults weren't involved, but the entire thing seems to have been set up by the students. The article doesn't actuall do a great job on that though. But given there were at least a mention of a few teachers who were not informed of this then I can hazarad a guess it wasn't the faculties idea..

I'm also curious if it were a real police officer and not simply another actor.
Neo Art
08-06-2008, 07:30
I didn't say adults weren't involved

hmmm....

You realize that this was done and performed by other students right?
Heikoku 2
08-06-2008, 07:33
hmmm....

And that's why arguing against you would be a pain... ;)
Lacadaemon
08-06-2008, 07:34
However they could, presumably, while defendants in the lawsuit against them, be asked why they sued under similar facts..

Would that be admissible? (I'm really not sure. I don't think it would be though).
Croatoan Green
08-06-2008, 07:39
hmmm....

And the vast majority of the charactres in this play were students. Or at least all the victims were. I'm still curious to see if this was a real officer. But what I am referring to is that people seeming to paint this as the idea of the faculty to scare students straight. It seems, at least from what I've read, that this was the idea of the students. I can't say that with certainty, of course, but that's what I took away from the article. And the original post.

Edit: Going back to the OP. It seems the police did get involved. Hah. I wonder how they managed that one.
Nerotika
08-06-2008, 12:35
So essentially some sick minds at the school thought that giving students emotional breakdowns was any sort of suitable way to teach a lesson.
I have no argument whatsoever with the intended message, but there are so many moral and decent ways they could've tried to get it across. I understand fully that's how the students would feel if their friends did die in a wreck for real, but to boldly lie like that and bring unnecessary emotional trauma like that is uncalled for and just flat out wrong.
It's a lesson that needs to be taught, but as with teaching any lessons you need to respect the basic rules of decency and morality.

Alright so here's the plan, first we go in an emotionally ruin them (Paying special attention to the emo's...maybe this'll get them to make the final annoying push and actually commit suicide, instead of attempting 100 motherfucken times) then we mentally scar them for life as we show them the bloody bodies of the 'Dead' students...then we shoot out the confettie and bring in the clown to tell them it was all a big joke and drinking is bad.

Ok so next we have smoking, tell them the same kinda information only replace drunk driving with second-hand smoke and also car crash with lung cancer. Keep the bloody messed up kids and we'll say that's what'll happen.

Now then...DRUG's o.O
Brutland and Norden
08-06-2008, 12:40
Ok so next we have smoking, tell them the same kinda information only replace drunk driving with second-hand smoke and also car crash with lung cancer. Keep the bloody messed up kids and we'll say that's what'll happen.
As for smoking, it'll be different. The students will be told that somebody form their school is dying in the hospital for cancer. Then the students will be huddled to the auditorium with the dying person in there connected to medical machines attended by doctors. Then he will have to die in front of the entire school and then his body will be dissected to show everybody what a smoker's lung looks like.

("See? That's his smoker's lung. Please take a look and pass around.")
Rubiconic Crossings
08-06-2008, 13:19
Emotional abuse, mental cruelty?

Though no cop reads a eulogy and leaves a rose on the dead student's chair... that should have been a tip off...

No but the psychologist involved in this needs a severe talking to...use of an authority figure to gain attention and more important impact...sick.