NationStates Jolt Archive

The only thing that is inevitable in political races is that someone must win, and that someone must lose. We mark this Saturday with the end of the historic candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who until the last fought the good fight against her opponent and bowed out with grace and style.

There is no shame to be had in defeat, especially not defeat so closely contested as this. Hillary Clinton won more votes than any woman ever has in a primary. Her support runs deep and broad. Her strength and determination cannot be contested. Many, myself included, took great pleasure in helping her shatter the glass ceiling of presidential politics. She will not be the last woman to run for the highest office in the land, nor will she simply fade into the twilight. Perhaps she will return one day, and on that day I look forward to again supporting her as I did this day.

Some of her supporters, however, continue to wage the fight and now move to snatch up the banner of John McCain and the Republicans, and it is of these that I would speak.

John McCain has served our country for a very long time, and has paid a very high price for his service. While we salute his unwavering dedication to his country, it has become clear that we do not see eye to eye with him. John McCain, despite his protests to the contrary, is bound by policies and views that inexorably wind their way back to President George W. Bush. While it is perhaps simplistic to say that a McCain presidency would equate to a third term for Bush, it has become painfully clear in the past few weeks that a McCain victory would mean the continuation of Bush economic, social, diplomatic, and political policies that have rent the fabric of our country and created a symphony in discord.

Many of us have taken Clinton's defeat hard, and none have taken in harder than I. As a staunch Democrat, I hold a respect for the Clintons that approaches reverence. They did and continue to do much for this nation, and for their efforts they have earned respect at home and abroad. Many lives are better because of the policies of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Many now prepare to throw their support behind McCain, perhaps to avenge Hillary's fall.

Does McCain, however, truly represent a future of hope in America? Will the man who has said he will stay the course of war in Iraq for one-hundred years (if necessary) bring about a greater peace in the world? Will a man whose campaign is riddled with lobbyists reform government so that the people once again command their elected officials? Will a man who has said that he will freely spy on American citizens secure our liberties from those who would abrogate them?

The fact is that Barack Obama is far more like Hillary Clinton in his policies than is John McCain. McCain's values are not those of Hillary's or her supporters. McCain knows this, yet he seeks to play Clinton's supporters like puppets. He loudly proclaims that she has been ill-used in this campaign, and makes the suggestion that her supporters can collect recompense in voting for him.

Hillary Clinton, however, does not share the same views as John McCain...not even remotely. That is why she ran for the privilege of beating him in a national election. A vote for McCain, even in spite, is ultimately a vote against the very woman we voted for and against her policies and beliefs. A vote for McCain is a vote to continue the same failed policies of George W. Bush. It is a vote that is morally wrong and bad for you and me. It is a vote than contradicts what Clinton herself wants, for she has clearly, strongly, and without reservation thrown her own support to Mr. Obama.

Mr. McCain's own party offers a silent argument for voting against him. This day they posted on their website a "Clinton versus Obama" page. They do not do so because they have a genuine ideological agreement with Clinton. They are doing it to stir up the anger of her supporters. They are doing it to use it as a wedge issue, as they have done time and time again over the past eight years. The coin of the modern Republican political campaign is fear, mistrust, hate. They cannot win without pointing out the differences that divide us.

The differences that divide, though, pale in comparison to the ties that bind us. Despite all the vitriol, Clinton's supporters and Obama's supporters are not so different. The time has come for all of us, Clintonites and Obamites, to recognize this fact.

Do you really want John McCain to win if it means that all of us lose? You, me, everybody? That is the choice that we must make.

Did you not see the sticky?

Did you not see the sticky?

No, I didn't, but it doesn't really matter all that much. The sticky will persist long after my thread has faded to dust. :D

*watches carefully*

Mustn't break eye-contact...

tl;dr

I say you vote Green party especially if you live in Florida :D

Shal, I will be completely and totally honest with you: I am shocked and amazed you have actually come around and stopped letting your anger direct you. I'm also quite glad, because it means you are a reasonable person after all, underneath all of what we had seen before.

Thank you very much for being willing to support Senator Obama. It's good we can put this stuff behind us.

tl;dr

I say you vote Green party especially if you live in Florida :D

Not that your vote would be counted...

Click Stand;13751084']Not that your vote would be counted...

don't be silly they have these new voting machines

and as you may well know computers are 1000% unbiased never going wrong

John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain!

I think you get the picture

The only thing that is inevitable in political races is that someone must win, and that someone must lose. We mark this Saturday with the end of the historic candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who until the last fought the good fight against her opponent and bowed out with grace and style.

There is no shame to be had in defeat, especially not defeat so closely contested as this. Hillary Clinton won more votes than any woman ever has in a primary. Her support runs deep and broad. Her strength and determination cannot be contested. Many, myself included, took great pleasure in helping her shatter the glass ceiling of presidential politics. She will not be the last woman to run for the highest office in the land, nor will she simply fade into the twilight. Perhaps she will return one day, and on that day I look forward to again supporting her as I did this day.

Some of her supporters, however, continue to wage the fight and now move to snatch up the banner of John McCain and the Republicans, and it is of these that I would speak.

John McCain has served our country for a very long time, and has paid a very high price for his service. While we salute his unwavering dedication to his country, it has become clear that we do not see eye to eye with him. John McCain, despite his protests to the contrary, is bound by policies and views that inexorably wind their way back to President George W. Bush. While it is perhaps simplistic to say that a McCain presidency would equate to a third term for Bush, it has become painfully clear in the past few weeks that a McCain victory would mean the continuation of Bush economic, social, diplomatic, and political policies that have rent the fabric of our country and created a symphony in discord.

Many of us have taken Clinton's defeat hard, and none have taken in harder than I. As a staunch Democrat, I hold a respect for the Clintons that approaches reverence. They did and continue to do much for this nation, and for their efforts they have earned respect at home and abroad. Many lives are better because of the policies of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Many now prepare to throw their support behind McCain, perhaps to avenge Hillary's fall.

Does McCain, however, truly represent a future of hope in America? Will the man who has said he will stay the course of war in Iraq for one-hundred years (if necessary) bring about a greater peace in the world? Will a man whose campaign is riddled with lobbyists reform government so that the people once again command their elected officials? Will a man who has said that he will freely spy on American citizens secure our liberties from those who would abrogate them?

The fact is that Barack Obama is far more like Hillary Clinton in his policies than is John McCain. McCain's values are not those of Hillary's or her supporters. McCain knows this, yet he seeks to play Clinton's supporters like puppets. He loudly proclaims that she has been ill-used in this campaign, and makes the suggestion that her supporters can collect recompense in voting for him.

Hillary Clinton, however, does not share the same views as John McCain...not even remotely. That is why she ran for the privilege of beating him in a national election. A vote for McCain, even in spite, is ultimately a vote against the very woman we voted for and against her policies and beliefs. A vote for McCain is a vote to continue the same failed policies of George W. Bush. It is a vote that is morally wrong and bad for you and me. It is a vote than contradicts what Clinton herself wants, for she has clearly, strongly, and without reservation thrown her own support to Mr. Obama.

Mr. McCain's own party offers a silent argument for voting against him. This day they posted on their website a "Clinton versus Obama" page. They do not do so because they have a genuine ideological agreement with Clinton. They are doing it to stir up the anger of her supporters. They are doing it to use it as a wedge issue, as they have done time and time again over the past eight years. The coin of the modern Republican political campaign is fear, mistrust, hate. They cannot win without pointing out the differences that divide us.

The differences that divide, though, pale in comparison to the ties that bind us. Despite all the vitriol, Clinton's supporters and Obama's supporters are not so different. The time has come for all of us, Clintonites and Obamites, to recognize this fact.

Do you really want John McCain to win if it means that all of us lose? You, me, everybody? That is the choice that we must make.


Sir, I extend my hand to you. Thank you.

Bah. One little setback like losing a popular vote and you give up on her.

Dammit man, this is an American election, no one has even been to court yet.

I think you get the picture

Ron Paul 08?

Dammit man, this is an American election, no one has even been to court yet.

how can I be expected to vote in an American election when all the candidates are so un-mafia?

-snip-

Good on you. Hillary would be proud.

The only thing that is inevitable in political races is that someone must win, and that someone must lose. We mark this Saturday with the end of the historic candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who until the last fought the good fight against her opponent and bowed out with grace and style.

There is no shame to be had in defeat, especially not defeat so closely contested as this. Hillary Clinton won more votes than any woman ever has in a primary. Her support runs deep and broad. Her strength and determination cannot be contested. Many, myself included, took great pleasure in helping her shatter the glass ceiling of presidential politics. She will not be the last woman to run for the highest office in the land, nor will she simply fade into the twilight. Perhaps she will return one day, and on that day I look forward to again supporting her as I did this day.

Some of her supporters, however, continue to wage the fight and now move to snatch up the banner of John McCain and the Republicans, and it is of these that I would speak.

John McCain has served our country for a very long time, and has paid a very high price for his service. While we salute his unwavering dedication to his country, it has become clear that we do not see eye to eye with him. John McCain, despite his protests to the contrary, is bound by policies and views that inexorably wind their way back to President George W. Bush. While it is perhaps simplistic to say that a McCain presidency would equate to a third term for Bush, it has become painfully clear in the past few weeks that a McCain victory would mean the continuation of Bush economic, social, diplomatic, and political policies that have rent the fabric of our country and created a symphony in discord.

Many of us have taken Clinton's defeat hard, and none have taken in harder than I. As a staunch Democrat, I hold a respect for the Clintons that approaches reverence. They did and continue to do much for this nation, and for their efforts they have earned respect at home and abroad. Many lives are better because of the policies of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Many now prepare to throw their support behind McCain, perhaps to avenge Hillary's fall.

Does McCain, however, truly represent a future of hope in America? Will the man who has said he will stay the course of war in Iraq for one-hundred years (if necessary) bring about a greater peace in the world? Will a man whose campaign is riddled with lobbyists reform government so that the people once again command their elected officials? Will a man who has said that he will freely spy on American citizens secure our liberties from those who would abrogate them?

The fact is that Barack Obama is far more like Hillary Clinton in his policies than is John McCain. McCain's values are not those of Hillary's or her supporters. McCain knows this, yet he seeks to play Clinton's supporters like puppets. He loudly proclaims that she has been ill-used in this campaign, and makes the suggestion that her supporters can collect recompense in voting for him.

Hillary Clinton, however, does not share the same views as John McCain...not even remotely. That is why she ran for the privilege of beating him in a national election. A vote for McCain, even in spite, is ultimately a vote against the very woman we voted for and against her policies and beliefs. A vote for McCain is a vote to continue the same failed policies of George W. Bush. It is a vote that is morally wrong and bad for you and me. It is a vote than contradicts what Clinton herself wants, for she has clearly, strongly, and without reservation thrown her own support to Mr. Obama.

Mr. McCain's own party offers a silent argument for voting against him. This day they posted on their website a "Clinton versus Obama" page. They do not do so because they have a genuine ideological agreement with Clinton. They are doing it to stir up the anger of her supporters. They are doing it to use it as a wedge issue, as they have done time and time again over the past eight years. The coin of the modern Republican political campaign is fear, mistrust, hate. They cannot win without pointing out the differences that divide us.

The differences that divide, though, pale in comparison to the ties that bind us. Despite all the vitriol, Clinton's supporters and Obama's supporters are not so different. The time has come for all of us, Clintonites and Obamites, to recognize this fact.

Do you really want John McCain to win if it means that all of us lose? You, me, everybody? That is the choice that we must make.

When the blood burns, how prodigal the soul lends the tongue vows.

Snip.

Okay. I don't know that you find our fights reconcilable, but regardless, go get Ohio for the Democrats, and save us from McCain. The world is counting on you. ;)

If you're willing, we apologize to each other, and I proceed to have my fun at the expenses of Republicans here, while you proceed to, well, get us Ohio.

John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain!

I think you get the picture

Of a man so vile and repulsive his own skin has tried to do him in repeatedly?

There is no shame to be had in defeat, especially not defeat so closely contested as this. Hillary Clinton won more votes than any woman ever has in a primary. Her support runs deep and broad. Her strength and determination cannot be contested. Many, myself included, took great pleasure in helping her shatter the glass ceiling of presidential politics. She will not be the last woman to run for the highest office in the land, nor will she simply fade into the twilight. Perhaps she will return one day, and on that day I look forward to again supporting her as I did this day.
We've already told her we don't want a crazy old lady. Why would we want her 8 years older and crazier?

TBH, I always thought we'd get a dark-skinned president before a woman. They got the vote first after all. Also, after this I don't think we'll see a woman for awhile. In fact, I doubt we'll see a "minority" until Jindal runs in 2024 or so.

Pennsylvania Avenue.

Pennsylvania Avenue.

I lol'ed. :)

/thread

The only thing that is inevitable in political races is that someone must win, and that someone must lose. We mark this Saturday with the end of the historic candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who until the last fought the good fight against her opponent and bowed out with grace and style.

There is no shame to be had in defeat, especially not defeat so closely contested as this. Hillary Clinton won more votes than any woman ever has in a primary. Her support runs deep and broad. Her strength and determination cannot be contested. Many, myself included, took great pleasure in helping her shatter the glass ceiling of presidential politics. She will not be the last woman to run for the highest office in the land, nor will she simply fade into the twilight. Perhaps she will return one day, and on that day I look forward to again supporting her as I did this day.

Some of her supporters, however, continue to wage the fight and now move to snatch up the banner of John McCain and the Republicans, and it is of these that I would speak.

John McCain has served our country for a very long time, and has paid a very high price for his service. While we salute his unwavering dedication to his country, it has become clear that we do not see eye to eye with him. John McCain, despite his protests to the contrary, is bound by policies and views that inexorably wind their way back to President George W. Bush. While it is perhaps simplistic to say that a McCain presidency would equate to a third term for Bush, it has become painfully clear in the past few weeks that a McCain victory would mean the continuation of Bush economic, social, diplomatic, and political policies that have rent the fabric of our country and created a symphony in discord.

Many of us have taken Clinton's defeat hard, and none have taken in harder than I. As a staunch Democrat, I hold a respect for the Clintons that approaches reverence. They did and continue to do much for this nation, and for their efforts they have earned respect at home and abroad. Many lives are better because of the policies of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Many now prepare to throw their support behind McCain, perhaps to avenge Hillary's fall.

Does McCain, however, truly represent a future of hope in America? Will the man who has said he will stay the course of war in Iraq for one-hundred years (if necessary) bring about a greater peace in the world? Will a man whose campaign is riddled with lobbyists reform government so that the people once again command their elected officials? Will a man who has said that he will freely spy on American citizens secure our liberties from those who would abrogate them?

The fact is that Barack Obama is far more like Hillary Clinton in his policies than is John McCain. McCain's values are not those of Hillary's or her supporters. McCain knows this, yet he seeks to play Clinton's supporters like puppets. He loudly proclaims that she has been ill-used in this campaign, and makes the suggestion that her supporters can collect recompense in voting for him.

Hillary Clinton, however, does not share the same views as John McCain...not even remotely. That is why she ran for the privilege of beating him in a national election. A vote for McCain, even in spite, is ultimately a vote against the very woman we voted for and against her policies and beliefs. A vote for McCain is a vote to continue the same failed policies of George W. Bush. It is a vote that is morally wrong and bad for you and me. It is a vote than contradicts what Clinton herself wants, for she has clearly, strongly, and without reservation thrown her own support to Mr. Obama.

Mr. McCain's own party offers a silent argument for voting against him. This day they posted on their website a "Clinton versus Obama" page. They do not do so because they have a genuine ideological agreement with Clinton. They are doing it to stir up the anger of her supporters. They are doing it to use it as a wedge issue, as they have done time and time again over the past eight years. The coin of the modern Republican political campaign is fear, mistrust, hate. They cannot win without pointing out the differences that divide us.

The differences that divide, though, pale in comparison to the ties that bind us. Despite all the vitriol, Clinton's supporters and Obama's supporters are not so different. The time has come for all of us, Clintonites and Obamites, to recognize this fact.

Do you really want John McCain to win if it means that all of us lose? You, me, everybody? That is the choice that we must make.

Wow. You know, I must admit I am a bit shocked, but I am even more pleased. And this sort of post is what really gives me hope for the future; if even so fervent a Clinton supporter, one who even pledged to vote for McCain, can realize the vital importance of this election, then we really can come together for the future.

Shal, it took great strength for you to do this. Thank you.

Wow. You know, I must admit I am a bit shocked, but I am even more pleased. And this sort of post is what really gives me hope for the future; if even so fervent a Clinton supporter, one who even pledged to vote for McCain, can realize the vital importance of this election, then we really can come together for the future.

Shal, it took great strength for you to do this. Thank you.

What he said.

Well, there you go. Glad to see it, Shal.

I'll say this, I argued that Clinton would do what was best for the party in the end and though I lost faith for a moment, she is doing what's best. Her speech was compelling and moving. It was among her best and it thrills me to think of the next few months of Obama and Clinton working together.