NationStates Jolt Archive

Warning: graphic picture.

Here is a good reason to not participate in a bicycle race without a police escort. Only one killed and 14 injured but it could have been much worse if the driver didn't go hard right/

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Emailed-Photos/ss/1756/im:/080602/481/38c49a12cf0144c195d4fea1e5580b3c

I was going to be clever and make a reference to Queen but I think that would be too morbid. Incidentally, I do not want to ride my bicycle, and I do not want to ride it where I like.

As a driver, I despise the way bikes sit in the middle of the lane going a quarter of the speed limit.

As a person though, That is horrifying. It could have been prevented so easily.

I was going to be clever and make a reference to Queen but I think that would be too morbid. Incidentally, I do not want to ride my bicycle, and I do not want to ride it where I like.

It's wrong, oh so wrong. But funny. At the same time. Ahhhh, what a wonderful world.

Chalk another senseless wreck due to drunk driving.

Warning: graphic picture.

Here is a good reason to not participate in a bicycle race without a police escort. Only one killed and 14 injured but it could have been much worse if the driver didn't go hard right/

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Emailed-Photos/ss/1756/im:/080602/481/38c49a12cf0144c195d4fea1e5580b3c

If there hadn't been a death, I'd be laughing my balls off. :(

If there hadn't been a death, I'd be laughing my balls off. :(

Just to clear up what i wrote previously in this thread - i was NOT laughing at the picture of the accident. It came out slightly wrong i think. I was giggling at the Queen reference. Sorry if it sounded horrible!

Just to clear up what i wrote previously in this thread - i was NOT laughing at the picture of the accident. It came out slightly wrong i think. I was giggling at the Queen reference. Sorry if it sounded horrible!

You're a heartless, horrible person. I bet in conversation you speak just like a baroness.

Laugh out fucking loud.

Cyclists should learn to keep off the road. I am so sick of those idiots puttering along in the middle of the road at 10 mph claiming that they're a vehicle and entitled to use the roads. There's a fucking sidewalk right next to the damn road, you're putting your life and mine at risk with your self-deception. Seriously, any cyclist who rides in the road with traffic around could easily end up dead and put a motorist behind bars for years. Few things are more selfish than riding a bike.

Warning: graphic picture.

Here is a good reason to not participate in a bicycle race without a police escort. Only one killed and 14 injured but it could have been much worse if the driver didn't go hard right/

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Emailed-Photos/ss/1756/im:/080602/481/38c49a12cf0144c195d4fea1e5580b3c

You have the most curious of inspiration at times.

Laugh out fucking loud.

Cyclists should learn to keep off the road. I am so sick of those idiots puttering along in the middle of the road at 10 mph claiming that they're a vehicle and entitled to use the roads. There's a fucking sidewalk right next to the damn road, you're putting your life and mine at risk with your self-deception. Seriously, any cyclist who rides in the road with traffic around could easily end up dead and put a motorist behind bars for years. Few things are more selfish than riding a bike.
Aye, get to fuck, my mate was knocked down by a truck and killed ;)

Aye, get to fuck, my mate was knocked down by a truck and killed ;)

okay, that smilie kind of has me confused there...

I think, firstly cyclists need to realise that there are reasons people hate them. I can't count the number of times I've almost had a crash because a cyclist has broken the road rules. At least in Brisbane they always seem to run red lights, they don't keep left, they don't give way etc. You try to get past them for 10 minutes, then as soon as you finally do, they go straight up infront of you at the next set of traffic lights.
Fair enough, they can use the road as long as they follow the road rules, there are no bikepaths available and THEY PAY ROAD TAXES!. They should be allowed on arterial roads which have carry large volumes of traffic. All they do is endanger everyones safety,
I think the govt has a responsibility here aswell... I was looking at starting to ride to uni & work, but looked at the maps, and I would have to bike half way around the city to get there without going on any roads. (And I would be too shit scared to go on the roads)

/rant

Laugh out fucking loud.

Cyclists should learn to keep off the road
And drive exactly where?

As far as legislation here goes cyclists are not allowed to ride on footpaths if they're older than 14 (or something in those lines) and the footpath isn't also designated as cycle path.

IMO the effort of braking up and accelerating again or evading a bunch of cyclists or ambulators takes so much less energy for the car driver - move a foot or hand for several inches - that he or she should ALWAYS make way for the person actually using his or her muscles for moving about: Slowing down might be an annoyance to car driver but stopping from 20 km/h and getting up to speed again takes up a real effort for the cyclist.

Besides, in urban areas everyone should dump their car in favour of more economical and environmental method of transportation :p

I lol'd. Couldn't help it sorry.

Besides, in urban areas everyone should dump their car in favour of more economical and environmental method of transportation :p

Agreed. Cars do NOT belong in cities. People who grab the car every day to commute those few miles from one side of the city to the other deserve all the misery they get.*

Out in the open however cyclists should be more considerate to drivers.

* Excluding invalids and people that need to transport heavy things of course.

Out in the open however cyclists should be more considerate to drivers.
I agree, they should stick to the sides of the road - A car going past with 3-5 times the speed of your bike ain't gonna stop fast enough if it is on a collision course.

Let alone the dangers of sudden evasive action....or the occassional drunk driver/cyclist :(

Laugh out fucking loud.

Cyclists should learn to keep off the road. I am so sick of those idiots puttering along in the middle of the road at 10 mph claiming that they're a vehicle and entitled to use the roads. There's a fucking sidewalk right next to the damn road, you're putting your life and mine at risk with your self-deception. Seriously, any cyclist who rides in the road with traffic around could easily end up dead and put a motorist behind bars for years. Few things are more selfish than riding a bike.

They are a vehicle.

They are entitled to use the road.

They are not allowed to ride on the sidewalk.

They only put their lives at risk if there are selfish and ignorant drivers on the road that think that they are the only ones entitled to use said road.

One thing more selfish than riding a bike is someone who thinks that their car confers some sort of entitlement to the road. Someone who laughs at the death of a person and the injury of 14 other people.

Laugh out fucking loud.

Cyclists should learn to keep off the road. I am so sick of those idiots puttering along in the middle of the road at 10 mph claiming that they're a vehicle and entitled to use the roads. There's a fucking sidewalk right next to the damn road, you're putting your life and mine at risk with your self-deception. Seriously, any cyclist who rides in the road with traffic around could easily end up dead and put a motorist behind bars for years. Few things are more selfish than riding a bike.As a 10,000 mile a year road cyclist just let me say 'fuck you'. One it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk. Two bicycles are seen by the law as vehicles, just not motorized, and as such have just as much right to the road as you and your car. Deal with it. I average 20 mph when I ride and have been hit 5 times myself (all have been the fault of the other party). I get across town faster during rush hour than you can by car and this seems to piss off some assholes behind the wheel. Like the gridlock they're stuck in is somehow my fault. They deliberately pinch me to the curb, try and cut me off, swear, yell and have occasionally thrown things at me. Seems some guys in their overcompensating muscle cars can't handle being beat accross the grid by a guy in spandex.

And the picture is not of a race (most of the news agencys got it wrong). It was a 25 mile fun ride with children and families. Several of the injured were teenagers including a critically injured 14 year old. The driver (an American)was drunk and admitted to using cocaine. He swerved past a police escort for the cyclists in his stupor before plowing into the group of riders. He killed one rider and injured a dozen more, five criticaly.

Not funny.

At all.

That's too bad. :( As someone who is increasingly biking more and more each day ( I did 20 miles the other night, which was something big for me), this hits home. I've been hit twice by cars when riding bikes, when I was younger. So now, when riding bikes I always get nervous when cars speed by. Sometimes I even get on the sidewalk, just to avoid traffic.

Not funny.


Butthurt

/jk

Although the event itself is not funny, a perfectly timed shot like that can make you giggle.

Butthurt

/jk

Although the event itself is not funny, a perfectly timed shot like that can make you giggle.Giggle?

You have a sick sense of humor.

The photographer wasn't just lucky. He was an employee of one of the towns sponsoring the event (it went from one town to the other). He was there to take pictures of the riders. Many small towns host such events, both in the US and, as this one, in Mexico. They're a good way to draw tourists in. The photog was getting shots for next years promo when he caught this.

Giggle?

You have a sick sense of humor.

The photographer wasn't just lucky. He was an employee of one of the towns sponsoring the event (it went from one town to the other). He was there to take pictures of the riders. Many small towns host such events, both in the US and, as this one, in Mexico. They're a good way to draw tourists in. The photog was getting shots for next years promo when he caught this.

what's your point? The pic was still perfectly timed.

okay, that smilie kind of has me confused there...

I think, firstly cyclists need to realise that there are reasons people hate them. I can't count the number of times I've almost had a crash because a cyclist has broken the road rules. At least in Brisbane they always seem to run red lights, they don't keep left, they don't give way etc. You try to get past them for 10 minutes, then as soon as you finally do, they go straight up infront of you at the next set of traffic lights.
Fair enough, they can use the road as long as they follow the road rules, there are no bikepaths available and THEY PAY ROAD TAXES!. They should be allowed on arterial roads which have carry large volumes of traffic. All they do is endanger everyones safety,
I think the govt has a responsibility here aswell... I was looking at starting to ride to uni & work, but looked at the maps, and I would have to bike half way around the city to get there without going on any roads. (And I would be too shit scared to go on the roads)

/rant

I've had more near misses with idiots in cars or trucks, than I've ever had with cyclists. The only actual 'accident' I've had, was an idiot in a mini-van deciding to turn across my line about 10 feet in front of me.

The difference is, I'm not blaming cars or trucks for people being idiots.

A lot of places, the law designates a bike as a vehicle. So, either petition to change the law, or shut your whining. Cyclists on our roads already have enough things to worry about, without your random rage.

horrible and still funny in a way

however clicking around I did find this on page 7 (http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080529/capt.d016e0b41bcf45cdb2743b1a69ba188b.squirrel_dog_mom_mebru102.jpg?x=247&y=345&sig=ntInS.TUrFM1mcLoQy9DfA--) (A Chihuahua pup named Zachary from Cundy's Harbor, Maine ,snuggles,Wednesday, May 28, 2008, with one of three orphaned squirrels that his mother is raising along with her own two puppies.)

They are not allowed to ride on the sidewalk.

thats absurd

There are idiot bike riders just as there are idiot drivers.

more on the story (http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/nationworld/87334.php).

it was an official race so the bikes had a reason to be on that road. The driver on the other hand...

The 28-year-old driver was apparently drunk and fell asleep when he crashed into the race, police investigator Jose Alfredo Rodriguez said Monday.

sad. :(

thats absurd

Not really. Any law that stops pedestrians falling off the sidewalk into traffic is probably good, overall.

The problem is this assumption on behalf of certain people, that - just because they are wrapped in a quarter-ton of steel, they somehow have more 'right' to be on the road than any other entity.

There are idiot bike riders just as there are idiot drivers.

An idiot cyclist isn't as likely to rack-up a kill tally, of course...

An idiot cyclist isn't as likely to rack-up a kill tally, of course...
Is the ability to rack up a kill tally the determining factor of idiocy?

thats absurd

The difference between a pedestrian and a bike moving at 25 km/hour is quite significant.

Is the ability to rack up a kill tally the determining factor of idiocy?

Are you trolling, or are you just like this normally?

Not really. Any law that stops pedestrians falling off the sidewalk into traffic is probably good, overall.

however that doesn't happen in even Cambridge where Cyclist thugs dominate every outlet of sociaty

it works out easier if you can ride wherever you please :)

The difference between a pedestrian and a bike moving at 25 km/hour is quite significant.

however cyclist never hit pedestrians unless they are being a retard (which is common I guess but pedestrians are notoriously hard to hit)

Are you trolling, or are you just like this normally?

uh-oh Mr Grumpy has woken up! *injects laughing Gas*

however cyclist never hit pedestrians unless they are being a retard (which is common I guess but pedestrians are notoriously hard to hit)
Hmmmm. I had been hit by a bicycle when I was a small boy. :(

however that doesn't happen in even Cambridge where Cyclist thugs dominate every outlet of sociaty

Cambridge has some of the best cycle routes in the country for a city. Sometimes we have to ride on the pavement (or walk with bike) because there's all these damn cars blocking our way past on the road ;) Not that I do go on the pavement much at all, it's far easier on the road and the surface is better to ride on.

Although that photo is perfectly timed, it really is sickening.

however that doesn't happen in even Cambridge where Cyclist thugs dominate every outlet of sociaty

it works out easier if you can ride wherever you please :)

No, it works out better for the cyclist - but it creates extra hazards for motorists AND for pedestrians. The law that classifies the cyclist as a vehicle reduces the overall hazard. Unfortunately, since some (a lot of?) drivers are assholes, it also increases the risks for the cyclist.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, though... you're saying there are never cycle-on-pedestrian accidents in Cambridge?

however cyclist never hit pedestrians unless they are being a retard...

Isn't the same true for car-on-bike collision?

however cyclist never hit pedestrians unless they are being a retard (which is common I guess but pedestrians are notoriously hard to hit)

Hmm. Culture difference then. Over here sidewalks are quite small and generally crowded. It is almost impossible NOT to hit pedesstrians when cycling on the sidewalk, unless you move at walking pace.

Isn't the same true for car-on-bike collision?
A cyclist can react to a pedestrian walking out in front of them, because they're pretty small and slow. Unlike some arsehole in a car, who can be travelling pretty quickly, and be in control of a large vehicle.

Hmm. Culture difference then. Over here sidewalks are quite small and generally crowded. It is almost impossible NOT to hit pedesstrians when cycling on the sidewalk, unless you move at walking pace.
Yeah, the pavement here is small and crowded also. This is why you're not allowed up onto it when you're riding a bike.

A cyclist can react to a pedestrian walking out in front of them, because they're pretty small and slow. Unlike some arsehole in a car, who can be travelling pretty quickly, and be in control of a large vehicle.

I've had cyclists literally ride into the back of me... just because they thought they could get into a space they couldn't... or a crowded pavement threw them surprises. The same sorts of things that catch drivers, most of the time. And that's not even considering the fact that bikes can be moving pretty fast....

I've had cyclists literally ride into the back of me... just because they thought they could get into a space they couldn't... or a crowded pavement threw them surprises. The same sorts of things that catch drivers, most of the time. And that's not even considering the fact that bikes can be moving pretty fast....
They shouldn't be on the pavement at all. There are poor bike riders just as there are poor drivers. Appears you've run into a couple. Sorry about that and all.

Hmmmm. I had been hit by a bicycle when I was a small boy. :(

that will learn you for being small!

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, though... you're saying there are never cycle-on-pedestrian accidents in Cambridge?

I'd say the results are lower and very much less serious IMHO

Hmm. Culture difference then. Over here sidewalks are quite small and generally crowded. It is almost impossible NOT to hit pedestrians when cycling on the sidewalk, unless you move at walking pace.

I suggest you take a class then :)

This is why you're not allowed up onto it when you're riding a bike.

yeah you are :confused:

yeah you are :confused:
No, you're not, if you look even remotely like an adult and it isn't clearly marked as a cyclists' bit. If you're up on a regular, just normal slabbed pavement, even for, say, 10 seconds whilst you're avoiding heavy traffic in the fog, riding very slowly before being about to get off, roughly 30 feet from your house, you can still get fined for it off the polis. I would know *grumbles*.

that will learn you for being small!
:(

It wasn't my fault!

They shouldn't be on the pavement at all. There are poor bike riders just as there are poor drivers. Appears you've run into a couple. Sorry about that and all.

It's just the way it is. I lived in Boston for a while (the real one, in England), and there are just places you can't get to as a cyclist, without a ridiculous detour or cheating a bit. I've cycled myself, so I understand it, but it's still a pain in the arse to have someone ride up the back of your leg.

Cyclists get a pretty shitty deal, neither one thing nor the other. One of the few things I like about the New Towns is how cycle-friendly they tend to be. Everyone else treats them like a problem.

Are you trolling, or are you just like this normally?

nope, making sure that people who think that "Bike Riders can do no wrong because they can do little harm" do know that even Bike riders can be idiots. what some people tend NOT to remember is that wether one is a bike rider, driver, pedestrian, or even skate-boarder, everyone has to be responsible when being on or near a road.

many other 'bikes vs. drivers' arguments tend to be baised on ONE factor. that because the bike rider is the one most likely hurt in any bike/car accident it's the responsiblity of the Driver only to watch out for the biker.

However, that also doesn't excuse the drivers either (those who posted that the bikes have no right to be on the road) use of the road is everyone's responsibility. even pedestrians. Something alot of people tend not to remember when such arguments of Bikes vs cars vs pedestrian get's too heated.

No, you're not

if you wear a tracksuit and hoodie the police won't stop you :)

It wasn't my fault!

remember that time you didn't eat your greens? maybe its time you started!

It's just the way it is. I lived in Boston for a while

I didn't know you was homosexual :p

One of the few things I like about the New Towns is how cycle-friendly they tend to be. Everyone else treats them like a problem.

haven't been to Milton Keynes then?

I'd say the results are lower and very much less serious IMHO


Than what?

remember that time you didn't eat your greens? maybe its time you started!
I was hurt, and you still scold me! *cries*

I suggest you take a class then :)

For what reason ? We have ample cycling paths and cycling on the sidewalk is illegal ;)

Can you show some video footage of yourself driving amongst pedestrians ?

Than what?

collisions involving bicycles and stuff

I was hurt, and you still scold me! *cries*

*locks you in the bicycle shed* :p

Can you show some video footage of yourself driving amongst pedestrians ?

I will do as soon as I get my car working

nope, making sure that people who think that "Bike Riders can do no wrong because they can do little harm" do know that even Bike riders can be idiots. what some people tend NOT to remember is that wether one is a bike rider, driver, pedestrian, or even skate-boarder, everyone has to be responsible when being on or near a road.

many other 'bikes vs. drivers' arguments tend to be baised on ONE factor. that because the bike rider is the one most likely hurt in any bike/car accident it's the responsiblity of the Driver only to watch out for the biker.

However, that also doesn't excuse the drivers either (those who posted that the bikes have no right to be on the road) use of the road is everyone's responsibility. even pedestrians. Something alot of people tend not to remember when such arguments of Bikes vs cars vs pedestrian get's too heated.

Of course, even if the cyclist IS being an idiot, at least he/she is only being an idiot on a bike - and is, therefore, already implicitly being more 'responsible' than the idiot behind the wheel of a car.

I haven't ridden a bike in a decade, probably. I'm now one of the 'drivers' - but the fact remains that the deck is already stacked way, way against the cyclist.

I will do as soon as I get my car working

My bad ;) Cycling then. I want to see how you do it on a path less than 2 meters wide filled with pedestrians ;)

haven't been to Milton Keynes then?

Tend. Harlow and Basildon are both reasonable for cyclists (well, they were when I was cycling). Milton Keynes is more of an attempt to make an 'American' city than anything else.

*locks you in the bicycle shed* :p
I will report you to child services!

yeah you are :confused:

No, you're not - and haven't been allowed to (by British Law), since 1835.

http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php

Of course, even if the cyclist IS being an idiot, at least he/she is only being an idiot on a bike - and is, therefore, already implicitly being more 'responsible' than the idiot behind the wheel of a car.

I haven't ridden a bike in a decade, probably. I'm now one of the 'drivers' - but the fact remains that the deck is already stacked way, way against the cyclist.

never said it wasn't stacked against the cyclist.

however, a local news station here featured a small story about a little old lady who had an idea to wave a flag while crossing the street. the idea was to make herself more visible to drivers. and like most news stories, they showed her crossing the street waving her flag.

the problem?
1) she was not crossing in the crosswalk (and this was not a side street, but one of the main roads.)
2) she did NOT look both ways before crossing.
3) the road was not blocked off because you can see cars still using the road.

It doesn't matter if the deck is stacked against you. you still need to be responsible wether driving, walking, biking or doing anything near the road. Infact, the fact that the deck is stacked against someone should be an incentive to being more cautious and not less.

and to make my position clear. I am not against cyclists. I believe they have every right to use the road as automobile drivers. It just irks me when people try to put all the responsiblity on drivers.

however, a local news station here featured a small story


One of very few anecdotal stories. Let's try looking at big pictures, rather than basing our view on "one time, at band camp".


...about a little old lady who had an idea to wave a flag while crossing the street. the idea was to make herself more visible to drivers. and like most news stories, they showed her crossing the street waving her flag.

the problem?
1) she was not crossing in the crosswalk (and this was not a side street, but one of the main roads.)
2) she did NOT look both ways before crossing.
3) the road was not blocked off because you can see cars still using the road.


I wonder if the scene was contrived.

I'm feeling like I've wandered into Eddie Izzard territory here, where he's talking about how the crazy guy that lives in a cave in Central Park, collects women's shoes and attacks geese - is used as the descriptor for transvestites...

Flag idea = good idea. Not sure how it connects to the wandering aimlessly into busy streets. Perhaps, this one case is not a good example of the collective flag-wavers of the world.


It doesn't matter if the deck is stacked against you. you still need to be responsible wether driving, walking, biking or doing anything near the road. Infact, the fact that the deck is stacked against someone should be an incentive to being more cautious and not less.


Yes, those silly people who were uncautiously taking part in their police-escorted, pre-sanctioned race. Much less cautious than the driver of the car - at least he showed the good sense to take a nap when the alcohol and drugs kicked in.

No one is arguing cyclists DON'T need to be cautious. But when even the cautious bike meets the uncautious car, it isn't the driver of the car who ends up in traction.


and to make my position clear. I am not against cyclists. I believe they have every right to use the road as automobile drivers. It just irks me when people try to put all the responsiblity on drivers.

Drivers have more responsibility. They are driving a bigger, heavier (more deadly) faster piece of machinery, which is less responsive to control. I won't make excuses for drivers - most of them drive like fucktards.

One of very few anecdotal stories. Let's try looking at big pictures, rather than basing our view on "one time, at band camp". sure, I got more if you want more. examples of bus stops at places where pedestrians shouldn't be at, lack of sidewalks/bike lanes and other safety concerns as well. ;)

I wonder if the scene was contrived. contrived or not, the fact that they showed it in that manner does not impress pedestrian safety. Something they focused on the night before and what kinda prompted that flag story.

and even if it was staged and they did have the traffic stopped. they could've easily done it during a red light and at the crosswalk.

Flag idea = good idea. Not sure how it connects to the wandering aimlessly into busy streets. Perhaps, this one case is not a good example of the collective flag-wavers of the world. the flag idea is using a small flag to make one more visible to the driver. it shouldn't replace proper pedestrian practices when crossing the road.

Yes, those silly people who were uncautiously taking part in their police-escorted, pre-sanctioned race. Much less cautious than the driver of the car - at least he showed the good sense to take a nap when the alcohol and drugs kicked in. was it police-escorted? didn't see anything indicating that it was.

I didn't want to assume that it was police escorted or not because while it would be normally in the US, it might not be in Mexico. also the fact that the bike races here (and in other countries) tend to have the roads they are on closed. thus the car shouldn't have been on that road in the first place.

and also, note nowhere did I blame the bikeriders for that tragedy that happened in Mexico, nor did I say they were uncautious, infact, those seen in the photo were wearing their helmets.

Drivers have more responsibility. They are driving a bigger, heavier (more deadly) faster piece of machinery, which is less responsive to control. I won't make excuses for drivers - most of them drive like fucktards.
agreed. most do drive like fucktards. but I've also seen bikers riding like fucktards and pedestrians giving a flying fuck on the idea of safety.

hence my "idiots are everywhere" comment. ;)

You're a heartless, horrible person. I bet in conversation you speak just like a baroness.

How dare you! You filthy swine! I forbid you to speak to me again.

Mmmm id really like a cup of tea.

Another one bites the dust. I have a horrible/apathetic sense of humor, don't I?

Another one bites the dust. I have a horrible/apathetic sense of humor, don't I?

I bet you're having such a good time, having a ball.

They are a vehicle.

They are entitled to use the road.

They are not allowed to ride on the sidewalk.

They only put their lives at risk if there are selfish and ignorant drivers on the road that think that they are the only ones entitled to use said road.

One thing more selfish than riding a bike is someone who thinks that their car confers some sort of entitlement to the road. Someone who laughs at the death of a person and the injury of 14 other people.

While I agree with your general sentiment, this is untrue. There are plenty of times that bikers put themselves at risk by not following rules.


Many of my friends, and even myself for a short period, were cyclists in Boston. While I generally support bikers rights on the roads, they do need to understand the other point of view, and understand that it really is important for them to follow the laws. Groups like Critical Mass are a perfect example of what to do to piss off drivers. Yes, you can ride en masse...however, you cannot legally shut down an intersection just so your group can illegally run red lights. These behaviors are both dangerous and stupid.

Bikers have every right to be in the roads. But they do need to understand what it is to drive a 2 ton steel death chariot in a city with bikers present and not just assume what a car can and cannot safely do.

I bet you're having such a good time, having a ball.

It's actually a rather hard life...

I've had more near misses with idiots in cars or trucks, than I've ever had with cyclists. The only actual 'accident' I've had, was an idiot in a mini-van deciding to turn across my line about 10 feet in front of me.

The difference is, I'm not blaming cars or trucks for people being idiots.

A lot of places, the law designates a bike as a vehicle. So, either petition to change the law, or shut your whining. Cyclists on our roads already have enough things to worry about, without your random rage.

To be fair, I've seen a lot of dumbasses on bikes to. Nothing like hitting the breaks while going 30 mph to come to a sudden stop because a bicyclist didn't stop at an intersection when they have a stop sign and I don't to get your heart pumping.

Or the wonderous bicyclists who, on the highway mind you, are swerving on and off the shoulder, forcing you into dangerously low speeds on the highway(Face it, going 10-20 mph on a 55 mph highway is incredibly dangerous, and is only asking for trouble) before you are able to pass them(I lived on a very busy highway, and it is damn near impossible to come to a clear enough section to safely pass).

That said, I always give bicyclists plenty of room to enjoy the road, and most are not complete asshats, and infact I run into more people driving cars that are asshats than bicycles, but I'm just saying that not all bicyclists are intelligent, in the least.

With all this said, I'm going to add that I don't give a damn if it's illegal, I ride my bike on the sidewalk. I do not trust the drivers in my city in the least to not hit me, and the cops have never once hassled me over it. I actually don't understand why it's illegal... but meh.

With all this said, I'm going to add that I don't give a damn if it's illegal, I ride my bike on the sidewalk. I do not trust the drivers in my city in the least to not hit me, and the cops have never once hassled me over it. I actually don't understand why it's illegal... but meh.

Same here... And I think that the cops in my area actually prefer that you ride on the sidewalk rather than the thoroughfares.

Same here... And I think that the cops in my area actually prefer that you ride on the sidewalk rather than the thoroughfares.

Actually, I think it's the same here. For safety reasons, it's just more practically to have people bike on the sidewalk than to enforce a rather pointless law.

In reality, driving much slower than the speed limit(most people bicycle around here at 10-15 mph, max, and the speed limit is 30 in most places), can be far more dangerous than people think. It's not just an annoyance issue, really, because not everybody is going to realize exactly how slow you are going, forcing at times people to a complete stop, if they are able to at all. Even at speeds as low as 10 mph, your reflexes aren't as good as you think. You'd be surprised at how quick a 10 mph object comes up on you when you are going 30. It's a lot quicker than alot of people think.

And this isn't just a problem with bicyclists, I've had people driving INCREDIBLY slowly in cars before.

And this isn't just a problem with bicyclists, I've had people driving INCREDIBLY slowly in cars before.

You think that's bad? I've seen some douchebags driving while reading newspapers before.

The problem is that most sidewalks are not wide enough to accommodate both cyclists and pedestrians. There are more pedestrians, generally, and cyclists can be very dangerous to pedestrians: imagine if a cyclist hit a child, or someone's dog while they were walking it. Even if it's more dangerous for a cyclist to be on the street, it's less crowded for them: whenever I ride around, I usually just stick to the street so I don't have to slow down and avoid people walking. By the time I ask them to move and they figure out what was going on I'm usually already past them, not to mention the likelihood of them excusing themselves to the same side I'm in. On the road, everyone is going the same way, and no one is in the cyclist's way. But I understand that it puts drivers under pressure.

Pressure on people.

People on streets.

It's actually a rather hard life...

Somehow you've got to make the final breakthru...now.

You think that's bad? I've seen some douchebags driving while reading newspapers before.

Or driving while simultaneously talking on the phone, drinking coffee, smoking, rooting through his glove box, and yelling at the kids.

That was a brilliant one to see.

People are, for a lack of any better terms, stupid.

I was going to be clever and make a reference to Queen but I think that would be too morbid. Incidentally, I do not want to ride my bicycle, and I do not want to ride it where I like.
Another One Bites the Dust... (also works ;))


My friend sent that to me. It was on 4chan. The driver is obviously an idiot and criminally negligent. Or it's just Helen Keller...

Somehow you've got to make the final breakthru...now.

I'd rather not. I personally, want to break free, not through. *Puts on drag O_o*

And so we don't get the thread locked for spamming...
You think that's bad? I've seen some douchebags driving while reading newspapers before.
I tall depends on where they're reading the newspaper at. In a traffic jam: understandable. On the Highway: Darwin award:p.

natural selection at its best

I'd rather not. I personally, want to break free, not through. *Puts on drag O_o*

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Ain't no beauty queens in this locality. (I tell ya!)
Oh, but I still get my pleasure
Still got my greatest treasure.
Heap big woman you done made a big man out-of me!

Mmmm id really like a cup of tea.

Lady Grey? Milady?

I'm assuming this has turned into a debate on bikes on the road...


I personally find them damned annoying, as they go too damn slow, and they are difficult to pass. It is dangerous as hell to be driving about 10 mph on most roads...if I'm in a neighborhood fine, I don't care, as I'll be driving slow anyway, but on highways and in town? No thanks.

Use the goddamn sidewalks. It doesn't matter if it is technically illegal. No cops is going to give you a damn ticket. (you being cyclists).

If people are on sidewalks, then simply go onto the road for a sec, or *omg* in the grass! Its not hard at all...

You could also slow down or stop.

I was driving in a college town a few months ago, and a goddamn cyclist was on the road during fucking rush hour. Fucking idiot. I was an inch away from running the bastard over. There was absolutely nobody on the sidewalk about..3-5 feet too his right. Nobody.

People like that are asking to be hurt.

I'm assuming this has turned into a debate on bikes on the road...


I personally find them damned annoying, as they go too damn slow, and they are difficult to pass. It is dangerous as hell to be driving about 10 mph on most roads...if I'm in a neighborhood fine, I don't care, as I'll be driving slow anyway, but on highways and in town? No thanks.

Use the goddamn sidewalks. It doesn't matter if it is technically illegal. No cops is going to give you a damn ticket. (you being cyclists).

If people are on sidewalks, then simply go onto the road for a sec, or *omg* in the grass! Its not hard at all...

You could also slow down or stop.

I was driving in a college town a few months ago, and a goddamn cyclist was on the road during fucking rush hour. Fucking idiot. I was an inch away from running the bastard over. There was absolutely nobody on the sidewalk about..3-5 feet too his right. Nobody.

People like that are asking to be hurt.

You were "an inch away from running the bastard over".

You should learn to drive. I'd recommend you stay off the road until then.

natural selection at its bestexcept the person who should've been removed from the gene pool was safe inside the car he was sleeping in.

You were "an inch away from running the bastard over".

You should learn to drive. I'd recommend you stay off the road until then.agreed.