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I don't understand some people. As you all know, the other day, it was discovered that Ted Kennedy had a malignant brain tumor. Now, I don't like Ted Kennedy, of all the Kennedys, he was probably the least suited to public life, and the Chappaquidic (sp) scandal should have, at least, kept him out of office. But he was kept in, so there it is, and I personally wouldn't wish the kind of life he has left on anyone.

But a person I know, an otherwise good person, a person who is kind to animals and children and generous to a fault, has said that he deserves to die because of the Chappaquidic thing, and to die horribly. According to this person, cancer is no less than he deserves. I don't understand this kind of mentality. I'm a person who can say that an institution deserves to "die" because it refuses to recognize the needs of the people in it, but I can't say a person needs to die because he may have once, through criminal negligence, allowed someone to die.

What do you think?

I do not think. Sorry. :(

I don't understand some people. As you all know, the other day, it was discovered that Ted Kennedy had a malignant brain tumor. Now, I don't like Ted Kennedy, of all the Kennedys, he was probably the least suited to public life, and the Chappaquidic (sp) scandal should have, at least, kept him out of office. But he was kept in, so there it is, and I personally wouldn't wish the kind of life he has left on anyone.

But a person I know, an otherwise good person, a person who is kind to animals and children and generous to a fault, has said that he deserves to die because of the Chappaquidic thing, and to die horribly. According to this person, cancer is no less than he deserves. I don't understand this kind of mentality. I'm a person who can say that an institution deserves to "die" because it refuses to recognize the needs of the people in it, but I can't say a person needs to die because he may have once, through criminal negligence, allowed someone to die.

What do you think?

All I can say is that we live in a heartless world, and even the person we think has the best qualities can turn into a synic and say this kind of things.

What do you think?
everyone has their own opinions about everyone else.

We all deserve to die
Tell you why, Mrs. Lovett, tell you why!

Because in all of the whole human race,
Mrs. Lovett, there are two kinds of man and only two!
There's the one who stays put in his proper place
And the one with his boot on the other one's face!
Look at me, Mrs. Lovett, look at you!

(Sorry, I can't resist a good breaking into song.)

Anyways, I, personally, am thinking about how this will help or hinder get a Democrat in the White House.

I do not think. Sorry. :(

Good policy.

What do you think?
People in general* have three things going for them:


a sense of right and wrong
a sense of fairness
a highly competitive spirit


The sense of right and wrong, usually, will cause people to think about their own actions in a community and the consequences of those, it also has the side effect of bringing a judgmental attitude to others actions.

The sense of fairness brings about the need to prescribe consequences to people who do the "wrong things" and benefits to people who do not.

Our competitive spirit leads us to think we should be in "better standing" than everyone else. It is our primary drive in life. We cover it up by more socially acceptable things, but at the base, it's our gig.

When these three converge we have a situation like you describe. The thought process goes as follows:

I don't like him because he did the wrong thing, I did the right thing and bad shit still happens to me, so since he did the wrong thing double bad shit should happen to him, it's only fair, and besides, as long as I don't do the bad thing or have the double bad shit, then I am doing better than him! I rule, he sucks, I win. The end.



*in general- a big huge over reaching statement not meant to apply to every single situation or person.

I think people who say asinine stuff like that don't really mean it, they're just trying to convey, in dramatic fashion, how little they think of that person.

We all deserve to die
Tell you why, Mrs. Lovett, tell you why!

Because in all of the whole human race,
Mrs. Lovett, there are two kinds of man and only two!
There's the one who stays put in his proper place
And the one with his boot on the other one's face!
Look at me, Mrs. Lovett, look at you!

(Sorry, I can't resist a good breaking into song.)

Anyways, I, personally, am thinking about how this will help or hinder get a Democrat in the White House.

I don't think this will have any effect on the election. Massachusetts will vote for Obama regardless, and no one outside of Massachusetts really cares what Ted Kennedy thinks or does anyway.

As for the original question, no one is completely consistent. Even Hitler could be kind on occasion, and even Gandhi could be a real dick when the spirit took him.

As for the original question, no one is completely consistent. Even Hitler could be kind on occasion, and even Gandhi could be a real dick when the spirit took him.

1- *Pictures Gandhi taking part in the "Original Prankster" Offspring video.*

2- *LOL*

3- ?

4- PROFIT.

1- *Pictures Gandhi taking part in the "Original Prankster" Offspring video.*

2- *LOL*

3- ?

4- PROFIT.

Historically, before the whole Indian Liberation gig Ghanhdi was a practicing attorney in South Africa, and there he displayed quite a racist attitude towards the blacks, even making a statement to the effect of thanking the South African government for not making him sitting "with the kaffirs".

Historically, before the whole Indian Liberation gig Ghanhdi was a practicing attorney in South Africa, and there he displayed quite a racist attitude towards the blacks, even making a statement to the effect of thanking the South African government for not making him sitting "with the kaffirs".

Not cool...

I think people who say asinine stuff like that don't really mean it, they're just trying to convey, in dramatic fashion, how little they think of that person.
QFT
Ted Kennedy also has the unfortunate "honor" of being a symbol for the amoral, patriarchal Liberal Establishment that many people hate. I suspect the person you were talking to hates this even more than the human being Ted Kennedy, but for some reason, equates the two.

I don't understand some people. As you all know, the other day, it was discovered that Ted Kennedy had a malignant brain tumor. Now, I don't like Ted Kennedy, of all the Kennedys, he was probably the least suited to public life, and the Chappaquidic (sp) scandal should have, at least, kept him out of office. But he was kept in, so there it is, and I personally wouldn't wish the kind of life he has left on anyone.

But a person I know, an otherwise good person, a person who is kind to animals and children and generous to a fault, has said that he deserves to die because of the Chappaquidic thing, and to die horribly. According to this person, cancer is no less than he deserves. I don't understand this kind of mentality. I'm a person who can say that an institution deserves to "die" because it refuses to recognize the needs of the people in it, but I can't say a person needs to die because he may have once, through criminal negligence, allowed someone to die.

What do you think?

I hate Ted Kennedy with a passion, but not even I would wish a slow death by cancer on him.

What do you think?

That you don't get it.

Historically, before the whole Indian Liberation gig Ghanhdi was a practicing attorney in South Africa, and there he displayed quite a racist attitude towards the blacks, even making a statement to the effect of thanking the South African government for not making him sitting "with the kaffirs".

Also, the first thought that came to his mind, when he was kicked out from that train in South Africa for traveling in frist class, was to beat up everyone that would treat him like a lowlife again. But when he realized that this was impractical, he turned to non-violence:D

And yes I think that everyone can become an angel or a devil, depending on the circumstances. The Stanford prison experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment) is an example of this.

People in general* have three things going for them:


a sense of right and wrong
a sense of fairness
a highly competitive spirit


The sense of right and wrong, usually, will cause people to think about their own actions in a community and the consequences of those, it also has the side effect of bringing a judgmental attitude to others actions.

The sense of fairness brings about the need to prescribe consequences to people who do the "wrong things" and benefits to people who do not.

Our competitive spirit leads us to think we should be in "better standing" than everyone else. It is our primary drive in life. We cover it up by more socially acceptable things, but at the base, it's our gig.

When these three converge we have a situation like you describe. The thought process goes as follows:

I don't like him because he did the wrong thing, I did the right thing and bad shit still happens to me, so since he did the wrong thing double bad shit should happen to him, it's only fair, and besides, as long as I don't do the bad thing or have the double bad shit, then I am doing better than him! I rule, he sucks, I win. The end.



*in general- a big huge over reaching statement not meant to apply to every single situation or person.

I second this post. You hit it dead on.

I don't hate him for that whole scandal. From what he did, it seems like he was just overcome, overwhelmed and as a result made a series of bad choices. Criminal negligence, maybe, but I can still understand where he is coming from. It's not like he tried to get away with a crime, so I can't understand your friends hatred of him.

His policies are another matter however...:)

That person is an idiot.

i don't like Teddy for many reasons, but that is not reason to wish painful death on him.

That person is an idiot.

i don't like Teddy for many reasons, but that is not reason to wish painful death on him.

Notice how the loudest declarations of schadenfreude tends to be from Evangelicals?

Pat Robertson: God gave Ariel Sharon a stroke for giving up land to teh ebil mozlemz.

Ted Hagee: God caused Hurricane Katrina because New Orleans condoned homosexuality.

Fred Phelps: (Insert tragedy) because God hates Fags and the United States supports Fags.

Bet you anyone who wishes Kennedy dead from the tumor is an Evangelical and/or a Bushevik.

Notice how the loudest declarations of schadenfreude tends to be from Evangelicals?

Pat Robertson: God gave Ariel Sharon a stroke for giving up land to teh ebil mozlemz.

Ted Hagee: God caused Hurricane Katrina because New Orleans condoned homosexuality.

Fred Phelps: (Insert tragedy) because God hates Fags and the United States supports Fags.

Bet you anyone who wishes Kennedy dead from the tumor is an Evangelical and/or a Bushevik.

Actually, this particular individual is an agnostic and a capitalist.

I don't understand some people. As you all know, the other day, it was discovered that Ted Kennedy had a malignant brain tumor. Now, I don't like Ted Kennedy, of all the Kennedys, he was probably the least suited to public life, and the Chappaquidic (sp) scandal should have, at least, kept him out of office. But he was kept in, so there it is, and I personally wouldn't wish the kind of life he has left on anyone.

But a person I know, an otherwise good person, a person who is kind to animals and children and generous to a fault, has said that he deserves to die because of the Chappaquidic thing, and to die horribly. According to this person, cancer is no less than he deserves. I don't understand this kind of mentality. I'm a person who can say that an institution deserves to "die" because it refuses to recognize the needs of the people in it, but I can't say a person needs to die because he may have once, through criminal negligence, allowed someone to die.

What do you think?

I agree with you.

My father died of cancer. I would not wish that kind of death on anyone. There are some people I hate, some even enough to want them dead. But I don't think anyone deserves to die like that.