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If you're squeamish or like animals, no clicky. I apologise is this has been posted before.

Some of us have seen the video of the US Marine throwing a small black and white puppy off of a sandy cliff. Everyone is up in arms about it. However, I've wondered two things: Why does everybody care so much about a dog? Is the dog in the video even alive or real?

Personally, I think the dog is already dead, based on the fact that it doesn't move through the course of the video.

http://piggoz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/hello-welcome-to-last-week.jpg

Fake.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/throwpuppy.asp

Not fake(yet)

http://avrobeson.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/david-motari-confesses/

http://www.mahalo.com/David_motari

I'm guessing the puppy was both real and alive. It doesn't surprise me that the puppy doesn't move; it's probably scared out of its mind. And although I don't condone the Marine's actions, I understand them. It's hard to explain, but the combination of extreme boredom and extreme danger affects the personality in odd and disturbing ways.

Some one may have just thrown a dog off a cliff, and you say what's the big deal?

I'll tell you what the big deal is: any one who inflicts suffering for amusement is sick. That, and the fact that soldiers doing this means Al Quaida just got a new propoganda video.:mad:

Some one may have just thrown a dog off a cliff, and you say what's the big deal?

I'll tell you what the big deal is: any one who inflicts suffering for amusement is sick. That, and the fact that soldiers doing this means Al Quaida just got a new propoganda video.:mad:

Throwing a dog off a cliff isn't nice, but it isn't newsworthy. Not by a long shot. Only the internet can propel some iffy tidbit into an international incident. :p

Throwing a dog off a cliff isn't nice, but it isn't newsworthy.
AHEM!

As a Brit, I have to say that if anyone in the Royal Marines threw a dog off a cliff, the general public would storm their plane when they landed in the UK and tear them to shreds. Obviously, you Yanks are a bit different in that respect, but still. Neither big, nor clever.

Today, we're teaching poodles how to fly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8C7dxTGRM

:D

My gut feeling is that it's fake - it's the noise the puppy makes as it goes that makes me think that way. The noise is too clear and doesn't seem to get further away - sounds like it's been added on later.

Today, we're teaching poodles how to fly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8C7dxTGRM

:D
Ah, UHF :D

Today, we're teaching poodles how to fly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8C7dxTGRM

:D

Oh, man!

I'll tell you what the big deal is: any one who inflicts suffering for amusement is sick. That, and the fact that soldiers doing this means Al Quaida just got a new propoganda video.:mad:

Ah yes, because AQ is quite the humanitarian organization. Not to mention the special place in the heart that Muslims hold dogs.

The Hadith has a great many things to say about dogs: kill them, kill only the black ones, you can keep them only for hunting, angels are prevented from entering a place that contains a dog, money made by selling dogs was evil money, etc.

Old Mo was not a lover of dogs.

Ah yes, because AQ is quite the humanitarian organization. Not to mention the special place in the heart that Muslims hold dogs.

The Hadith has a great many things to say about dogs: kill them, kill only the black ones, you can keep them only for hunting, angels are prevented from entering a place that contains a dog, money made by selling dogs was evil money, etc.

Old Mo was not a lover of dogs.

My uncle once taughme an old Tamil expression, that translates as 'When someone make you angry, pick up a stick and beat the dog' Ahhh I can't remember the Tamil for it any more.

Ah yes, because AQ is quite the humanitarian organization. Not to mention the special place in the heart that Muslims hold dogs.

The Hadith has a great many things to say about dogs: kill them, kill only the black ones, you can keep them only for hunting, angels are prevented from entering a place that contains a dog, money made by selling dogs was evil money, etc.

Old Mo was not a lover of dogs.

The only way Al Quaeda would throw a puppy over a cliff is if there was a bomb in it and a westerner were at the bottom of the cliff. Then they'd declare the puppy a martyr. *nod*

I havent seen this video - nor do i want to. I'm a bit of an Animal rights lass.
If it's real, it shouldnt be on the net, as im sure some of these weirdos (not any of you) are more then happy to sit down and make a night of watching things like this to get a kick.

If its fake. What can you do? Boredom is what it is.

The only way Al Quaeda would throw a puppy over a cliff is if there was a bomb in it and a westerner were at the bottom of the cliff. Then they'd declare the puppy a martyr. *nod*

Shhhh... they don't need such innovative ideas.

Shhhh... they don't need such innovative ideas.

Haha. Keep it under wraps.

I havent seen this video - nor do i want to. I'm a bit of an Animal rights lass.
If it's real, it shouldnt be on the net, as im sure some of these weirdos (not any of you) are more then happy to sit down and make a night of watching things like this to get a kick.

If its fake. What can you do? Boredom is what it is.

Not my particular brand of weirdoism. But I do admit to a barbaric giggle every time I watch a video of the police tasing someone. :)

Not my particular brand of weirdoism. But I do admit to a barbaric giggle every time I watch a video of the police tasing someone. :)

Lunatic, you seem to be following my posts :) Can i get you something?

Not my particular brand of weirdoism. But I do admit to a barbaric giggle every time I watch a video of the police tasing someone. :)

I laugh at this image. Although you are slightly sick.

Throwing a dog off a cliff isn't nice, but it isn't newsworthy.Would throwing a human off a cliff be newsworthy? If yes, then why the distinction?

Would throwing a human off a cliff be newsworthy? If yes, then why the distinction?

Do you think chicken farming is as worse a crime as the holocaust?

Do you think chicken farming is as bad a crime as the holocaust?For the chicken to be killed it surely is.

For the chicken to be killed it surely is.

wait, what? how is a chicken the same thing as a human? A chicken cannot pass the mirror test, cannot reason, and cannot learn.

Rolling squid;13745154']wait, what? how is a chicken the same thing as a human? A chicken cannot pass the mirror test, cannot reason, and cannot learn.

That's just what they want you to think. *nod*

Rolling squid;13745154']wait, what? how is a chicken the same thing as a human? A chicken cannot pass the mirror test, cannot reason, and cannot learn.

Now, I am not one to make an argument for a chicken's intelligence, however I think saying it can't learn is taking it a bit far. Anything with a brain has some limited learning capability.

Honestly though, I don't see the point in drawing the line between sentience and non sentience. Firstly, because I don't think a black and white view of sentience is very accurate. Secondly, because you don't need it to justify killing animals to begin with (unless you have a guilty conscience).

People kill for food, weather it be plants animals or fungi there is no changing that anytime soon. The reason people don't like to kill other people is the same reason they get squeamish when they see a puppy going over a cliff. These animals are useful to us, humans are useful to other humans, dogs are useful to humans etc. So over time we learned to form emotional attachments to these things as a survival strategy.

Sentience really doesn't matter all that much if you look at it pragmatically.

Edit: Just to be clear, when I said useful I meant useful in a way other than as a food source.

...they can learn to skateboard for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chicken_on_a_skateboard.JPG

The video looks to me like a hoax.

Note that it's not clear if the animal is either real or if real alive. Also note that at 7 seconds in, the "puppy" dissappears off screen and it is not at all clear that what is thrown is a puppy.

IF, and that's a pretty big if, this is a case of animal abuse, that POS deserves to be tarred and feathered.

Not my particular brand of weirdoism. But I do admit to a barbaric giggle every time I watch a video of the police tasing someone. :)

Don't taze me, bro!

Even if it's real, big deal. People want this guy beheaded over it, geez. You guys didn't care this much when the twin towers went down. Shows where your priorities are.

Even if it's real, big deal. People want this guy beheaded over it, geez. You guys didn't care this much when the twin towers went down. Shows where your priorities are.

:rolleyes: Right, because we didn't just invade two countries, spending billions of dollars? Yep, didn't care about what happened then.

When I referenced Al Quaida, I was suggesting that the video could be used to demonstrat that American Soldiers were cruel and sadistic, which would fit Al Quaida's line quite well. I never implied that there was anything humanitarian about those terrorist scum.:mad:

i can't imagine why anyone would fake something like that. plus the puppy doesn't look dead, it's muscles are clearly functioning to hold it's legs up like that even if it's not moving. faked or not it's an utterly perplexing video and if it's real, well, i just wish i truly believed in karma.

Here are soldiers blowing up a dog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxxJjro8LBM&NR=1

Teasing Iraqi Kids with water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK90Ma-gzko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuxnnMFlLH4

Some one may have just thrown a dog off a cliff, and you say what's the big deal?

I'll tell you what the big deal is: any one who inflicts suffering for amusement is sick. That, and the fact that soldiers doing this means Al Quaida just got a new propoganda video.:mad:

I guarantee Al Qaeda doesn't give a rat's ass about this one. I don't think the Iraqis care either, but even if they did, it wouldn't do anything but confirm their suspicions of us, as Iraqis will believe absolutely anything about Americans, as long as it's suggestive of depravity or superhuman powers. Here are a couple of rumors that have been in circulation since the invasion:

Members of the 82nd Airborne Division, who wear maroon berets, dye their berets in the blood of Iraqi children.

US Military vehicles have force fields; in order to penetrate the force fields, you have to wrap your RPG rounds in the "90 MPH tape" (essentially green duct tape) that Army soldiers use.

US soldiers are issued "cold pills", pills which, when swallowed, prevent soldiers from feeling the heat.

That's all I can remember offhand, although I heard others. I emphasize that these are not just bullshit tall tales, they are things many people actually believe. A video like this could only confirm the things they already regard as true.

I guarantee Al Qaeda doesn't give a rat's ass about this one. I don't think the Iraqis care either, but even if they did, it wouldn't do anything but confirm their suspicions of us, as Iraqis will believe absolutely anything about Americans, as long as it's suggestive of depravity or superhuman powers. Here are a couple of rumors that have been in circulation since the invasion:

Members of the 82nd Airborne Division, who wear maroon berets, dye their berets in the blood of Iraqi children.

US Military vehicles have force fields; in order to penetrate the force fields, you have to wrap your RPG rounds in the "90 MPH tape" (essentially green duct tape) that Army soldiers use.

US soldiers are issued "cold pills", pills which, when swallowed, prevent soldiers from feeling the heat.

That's all I can remember offhand, although I heard others. I emphasize that these are not just bullshit tall tales, they are things many people actually believe. A video like this could only confirm the things they already regard as true.

While I'm sure a lot of Iraqi citizens believe that, I wouldn't think the Al Qaeda leaders are that uneducated. The higher-ups might see the video for a way to spread the rumors to the general public that would believe them:

"I tell you, the soldiers are cruel! And they lie! They pretend to love dogs which we hate [apparently], but they really don't like dogs at all! They only say they love dogs because they hate us and disagree with everything we say!"

Rolling squid;13745154']wait, what? how is a chicken the same thing as a human? A chicken cannot pass the mirror test, cannot reason, and cannot learn.And? Those are criteria for what?
Is a chicken's will to live less than a human's?

after the whole faked British torture and then the alleged British troops beating "protesters" show I think I will trust nothing I see on youtube

Even if it's real, big deal. People want this guy beheaded over it, geez. You guys didn't care this much when the twin towers went down. Shows where your priorities are.

Twin towers :confused:

http://piggoz.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/hello-welcome-to-last-week.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3169/hellowelcometolastweekcv5.jpg

Is a chicken's will to live less than a human's?

yes

yesyou only claim thus because you are human. might makes right much?

yes

Mind proving that?

I don't really think it would be possible (with current technology) to prove it one way or another. Plus, will seems pretty subjective anyway...

I don't really think that it matters one iota, will doesn't mean anything if you don't have the ability to back it up, and chickens (at least the domesticated kind) sure as hell don't have much ability.

you only claim thus because you are human. might makes right much?

Well, pretty much...

Granted, for the mutual benefit of human society (and the humans in it) we have to try to eliminate this (to an extent, and mostly between groups of opposed humans), but in the natural world that is the way things go.

you only claim thus because you are human. might makes right much?

no, I claim because chickens don't have this survival urge that we are plagued with

if might makes right I would support the rights of bacteria

I don't really think it would be possible (with current technology) to prove it one way or another. Plus, will seems pretty subjective anyway...

simple enough as chickens don't show any survival urges beyond the pre-programmed load noise = run (which is rather variable in even best of the best) hence why foxes can wipe out entire chicken stocks

I don't really think that it matters one iota, will doesn't mean anything if you don't have the ability to back it up, and chickens (at least the domesticated kind) sure as hell don't have much ability.

have you ever been scratched by a chicken?

no, I claim because chickens don't have this survival urge that we are plagued with

if might makes right I would support the rights of bacteria

simple enough as chickens don't show any survival urges beyond the pre-programmed load noise = run (which is rather variable in even best of the best) hence why foxes can wipe out entire chicken stocks

have you ever been scratched by a chicken?

No, but I think guns are way better than claws...

Also, I didn't know that about chickens, not that I really care because I am still of the opinion that it doesn't matter, but it is interesting.

I remember this being on the news when it happened, so I don't feel the need to watch the video again. This really pissed me off though. My dog died a few months ago and seeing this made me very upset. I have a lot of respect for our servicemen overseas but if I ever saw this marine walking down the street I would beat the shit out of him.

...but if I ever saw this marine walking down the street I would beat the shit out of him.

Yeah, good luck with that. :)

simple enough as chickens don't show any survival urges beyond the pre-programmed load noise = run (which is rather variable in even best of the best) hence why foxes can wipe out entire chicken stocks


etc.

The stuff about chicken stupidity is false and biased.

I know it, I am a chicken. *LG-style nod*



BTW. Why throwing a dog off the cliff is worse than killing, say, a spider? Because dogs have better public relations techniques ("Hey, look how cute am I")?

When I referenced Al Quaida, I was suggesting that the video could be used to demonstrat that American Soldiers were cruel and sadistic, which would fit Al Quaida's line quite well. I never implied that there was anything humanitarian about those terrorist scum.:mad:

Why does it demonstrate this? As I showed, Muslims, who follow the Hadith, consider dogs to be agents of Satan. You need to consider the cultural references. They might very well consider such an action well within the bounds of good behavior.

Considering how AQ's own actions have turned the Iraqis against them I would say this little YouTube clip will not turn the tide.

BTW. Why throwing a dog off the cliff is worse than killing, say, a spider? Because dogs have better public relations techniques ("Hey, look how cute am I")?

Pretty much...

Dogs wouldn't do too well in the wild without any humans around (not to say they can't survive, just not as well as say, wolves). They have used our emotional responses as an interesting adaptation for survival.

I remember seeing some experiments involving dogs and wolves (I think it was on national geographic) and some such about how they are have a genetic predisposition to respond to human behavior or something. It was kind of interesting, if not very scientifically rigorous.

Anyway, at least people are afraid of spiders (for some stupid reason). I mean, there really wasn't any good or justifiable reason for throwing the dog off the cliff, it was just a waste of time that I am sure the guy knew was going to piss people off.

Also, that doesn't say much for his mental stability. Killing small animals for no reason (other than sadistic pleasure) is a trend that can lead down a very dark path indeed.

The stuff about chicken stupidity is false and biased.

pfft everyone knows that Turkey eggs rule ;)

BTW. Why throwing a dog off the cliff is worse than killing, say, a spider? Because dogs have better public relations techniques ("Hey, look how cute am I")?

no its because Camel Spiders need to go extinct

Why does it demonstrate this? As I showed, Muslims, who follow the Hadith, consider dogs to be agents of Satan. You need to consider the cultural references. They might very well consider such an action well within the bounds of good behavior.

no because Muslims aren't batshit insane and (in case you haven't wondered why there are dogs in Iraq in the first place) tend to keep them as pets

Considering how AQ's own actions have turned the Iraqis against them I would say this little YouTube clip will not turn the tide.

considering how insurgent =/= Al Qaeda and that Iraqi citizens tend to throw rocks at the slightest provocation you may be wrong (though what tide you want to turn is beyond me considering tides recede)

no because Muslims aren't batshit insane and (in case you haven't wondered why there are dogs in Iraq in the first place) tend to keep them as pets

Most dogs in Muslim countries are working dogs or street dogs and not usually pets considering their place in Muslim religion. This is not prejudice but cultural fact. Mostly black dogs bear the brunt of doggie violence since Ol' Mo decided that not all dogs should be killed.

But no, MOST Muslims are not "batshit insane" and never did I say this was so.

considering how insurgent =/= Al Qaeda and that Iraqi citizens tend to throw rocks at the slightest provocation you may be wrong (though what tide you want to turn is beyond me considering tides recede)

Would you like to use my words in context next time? Do you understand the concept of context? The initial post I referenced specifically said AQ. Get a grip and read about writing.

Most dogs in Muslim countries are working dogs or street dogs and not usually pets considering their place in Muslim religion. This is not prejudice but cultural fact. Mostly black dogs bear the brunt of doggie violence since Ol' Mo decided that not all dogs should be killed.


All animals are a part of Allah’s creation and belong to Allah (swt). Muslims are custodians of this beautiful planet. How we care for animals and what we use them for we will be accountable for to Allah (swt). All of creation is Muslim, submitting to Allah’s will—only man and jinn are granted a freedom of choice. So yes, even animals are Muslim.

In the Holy Qur’aan (S4:36) we are advised to do good to “… what your right hands own …” According to the commentator Imaam Faghruddin al-Rhazi, this refers to all those who have no civil rights, including animals. Thus, the verse lays down the duty of being good toward animals.

All things “…have been created for you ...” for our benefit (S2:29). It thus becomes our duty to protect, employ with dignity, and promote the well-being of any animal in our care. In this way, we are expressing our thankfulness to Allah (swt) for His blessings in a practical manner. (Qur’anic Foundations and Structure of Muslim Society, Mawlana F.R. Ansari, vol. 2, pp. 125-126)

Every animal has been created for a purpose. It is a duty upon every human being to respect Allah’s creation. If we ill treat any of His creation, we will be questioned about it on the Day of Judgment. Sayyidina ’Umar (ra) was very concerned about the animals during his rule as Amir or head of the Islamic empire.

Let me clarify a few myths and make a few points:

1. It is NOT haraam to own a dog, though it is not hygienic to keep a dog in the house.

2. It is NOT haraam to touch a dog or any other animal. If the saliva of a dog touches you or any part of your clothing, then it is required of you to wash the body part touched and the item of clothing touched by the dog’s mouth or snout.

3. It is incumbent upon all Muslims who own animals, whether for farming or work purposes or as pets, to provide adequate shelter, food, water, and, when needed, veterinary care for their animals. Arrangements must be made, if one is going to be away from home, to have one’s animals taken care of as well.

4. It is haraam to keep a dog or any other animal on a short lead for long periods without food, water, and shelter. Dogs need exercise and are social creatures who form organized “family” structures in nature. Dog owners therefore need to spend time daily with their dogs.

5. It is cruel, and therefore haraam, to keep any animal in a cage so small that it cannot behave in a natural way.

6. Fireworks cause untold suffering to most domestic animals because of their acute sense of hearing.

7. It is haraam to participate in any blood “sport,” like dog fighting and trophy hunting.

No animal has been cursed in any way. Animals are referred to in many instances in the Qu’ran. In Surah Kahf, mention is made of the companions of the Cave and their dog. (S18: 18-22)

http://www.islamicconcern.com/dogs.asp

SNIP!

You do know your source is a vegetarian/animal rights site? Muslims are not, by tradition, vegetarians and don't give animals any more rights than what they learn in the Quran.

Like it or not the Hadith passages against dogs are widely believed and quoted throughout the Muslim world. I do not doubt there are Muslim scholars who question the validity of those interpretations but I also know that a great many Muslims do not see dogs in a good light (and that is putting it mildly).

Your source is not mainstream.

You do know your source is a vegetarian/animal rights site? Muslims are not, by tradition, vegetarians and don't give animals any more rights than what they learn in the Quran.

1) this offends you?
2) well considering the source above and the fact that Iraqi are not walking Islamo-bots thats all goods then :)

I do not doubt there are Muslim scholars who question the validity of those interpretations but I also know that a great many Muslims do not see dogs in a good light (and that is putting it mildly).

Muslims find it unclean to have dogs in the home and more conservative elements avoid touching them (considering my dog has rolled in poop a few times I see a connection) I do not see Islam condoning the throwing of dogs off cliffs

Your source is not mainstream.

considering your the one throwing blanket accusations maybe you could find some "mainstream" sources

http://www.islamicconcern.com/dogs.asp

Aw, come on! You can't condemn some Muslims for not strictly following their own holy book!








Heh. Well posted.

Most dogs in Muslim countries are working dogs or street dogs and not usually pets considering their place in Muslim religion. This is not prejudice but cultural fact. Mostly black dogs bear the brunt of doggie violence since Ol' Mo decided that not all dogs should be killed.



To clear up any confusion:

From Bukhari Vol. 4, #540

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.

From Abu Dawud #2839

Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.

The Hadith's note for #2839 says, "The prophet did not order the killing of all the dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them.

From Muslim #3814

Ibn Mughaffal reported: Allah's messenger ordered the killing of dogs and then said, "what is the trouble with them (the people of Medina? How dogs are nuisances to them (the citizens of Medina)? He then permitted keeping of dogs for hunting and (the protection of) herds. ...[and for] for the protection of cultivated land.

From Muslim #Number 055

Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.

From Muslim #3813

Abu Zubair heard Jabir Abdullah saying: Allah's messenger ordered us to kill dogs and we carried out this order so much so that we also killed the dog roaming with a women from the desert. Then Allah's apostle forbade their killing. He said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a devil.

The note for #3814 says,

"The Hadith gives us an idea why the prophet commanded to kill dogs. There must have been an excess of stray dogs and thus the danger of rabies in the city of Medina and its suburbs. The prophet therefore ordered to kill them. Later on when it was found that his Companions were killing them indiscriminately, he forbade them to do so and told them that only the ferocious beasts which were a source of danger to life should be killed. The word "Devil" in the Hadith clarifies this point. Here devil stands for ferocious.


However:
From Muslim #5248

Maimuna reported that one morning Allah’s Messenger was silent with grief. Maimuna said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah’s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah’s Messenger spent the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens.


the selling of dogs is evil like prostitution:

From Bukhari Vol. 3, #482

Narrated Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari: "Allah's Apostle regarded illegal the price of a dog, the earnings of a prostitute, and the charges taken by a soothsayer."

From Muslim #3803

Abu Masud reported that Allah's messenger forbade the charging of price of the dog and earning of a prostitute and sweets offered to a kahin.


Having a dog results in losing rewards:
From Bukhari Vol. 3, #515

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting.""

From Muslim Number 3815:

Ibn Umar reported Allah's Messenger as saying: He who keeps a dog other than that meant for watching the herd or for hunting loses every day out of his deeds equal to two qirat.

From Muslim Number 2062:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: He who attends the funeral till the prayer is offered for (the dead), for him is the reward of one qirat, and he who attends (and stays) till he is buried, for him is the reward of two qirats. It was said: What are the qirats? He said: They are equivalent to two huge mountains. Two other narrators added: Ibn 'Umar used to pray and then depart (without waiting for the burial of the dead). When the tradition of Abu Huraira reached him, he said:" We have lost many qirats."


Angels hate dogs too:
From Bukhari Vol. 4, #448

Narrated Abu Talha: "I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal).""

From Bukhari Vol. 7, #843

Narrated Salim's father: "Once Gabriel promised to visit the Prophet but he delayed and the Prophet got worried about that. At last he came out and found Gabriel and complained to him of his grief (for his delay). Gabriel said to him, "We do not enter a place in which there is a picture or a dog.""

From Muslim, #5276:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: Angels do not accompany the travelers who have with them a dog and a bell.


Lots more here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/dogs.htm#_Toc158088965

If you have any trouble accepting what that site says, look up the hadith yourself here:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Its set up by a muslim student association.

Haven't seen it and have no wish to see people being mean to others. Humanity does sick things to eachother and other living things, and it does seem to be getting more frequent. My brother was in the armed forces, and if he threw a dog of a cliff (or anything else) I would beat him to within an inch of his life (if he's lucky).

People without empathy make me sick.

If it's fake, when all this kicked up why didn't one of the guys come out and say 'it was fake', or did they and I not read properly?