Who would you choose?
Philosopy
02-06-2008, 20:59
James T. Kirk.
Curious thread steal...
Neo Bretonnia
02-06-2008, 21:00
You need to select a Fleet Commander to direct your fleet of space warships in defense of the Earth. You are facing an opponent with similar technology but vast numerical superiority. Who will command your fleet?
(Poll Coming)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sheridan_(Babylon_5)
Cabra West
02-06-2008, 21:01
The Doctor.
Brutland and Norden
02-06-2008, 21:01
God.
Smunkeeville
02-06-2008, 21:02
Data......or possibly Worf.......no.. Data.........wait, Chekov! .......no, still Data.
Actually, screw Ender. All those guys are fictional.
I choose Sir Molle, leader of the Band of Brothers alliance in EVE Online. Has extensive experience commanding space fleets, and defending his home systems against superior numbers. Best of all, he's real!
Neo Bretonnia
02-06-2008, 21:04
Ender.
Ah Dammit I should have thought of Ender Wiggin. Apologies.
http://photo.gangus.com/d/26788-2/ackbar.jpg
Galloism
02-06-2008, 21:06
Actually, screw Ender. All those guys are fictional.
I choose Sir Molle, leader of the Band of Brothers alliance in EVE Online. Has extensive experience commanding space fleets, and defending his home systems against superior numbers. Best of all, he's real!
You are correct. Sir Molle is quite a man.
He's also quite good at propaganda spreading, which is also useful in any kind of conflict.
Trollgaard
02-06-2008, 21:10
None of the Above.
Grand Admiral Thrawn ftw!
Call to power
02-06-2008, 21:14
Tim Bisley
Ah Dammit I should have thought of Ender Wiggin. Apologies.
you should have a never ending whine about how guilty you are thats bores people to tears :)
New Limacon
02-06-2008, 21:14
Is Pikachu already taken?
Ruby City
02-06-2008, 21:23
Data......or possibly Worf.......no.. Data.........wait, Chekov! .......no, still Data.
Yeah, Data behaves more like the ultimate human Asperger genius than a computer but is still a cool character that would make a good strategist. Just get someone to help him understand an irrational opponent and then his strategy will be the most optimal one.
Dontletmedown
02-06-2008, 21:30
I chose Akbar. But I'm a bigger Trekkie, alas my favorite Admiral wasn't available-Janeway becomes an admiral we learn in Voyager, towards the end.
I love Janeway, fav Trek-hell- fav sci fi character.
;)
Kamsaki-Myu
02-06-2008, 21:31
Don't vote for option 6!
Smunkeeville
02-06-2008, 21:33
Yeah, Data behaves more like the ultimate human Asperger genius than a computer but is still a cool character that would make a good strategist. Just get someone to help him understand an irrational opponent and then his strategy will be the most optimal one.
Yeah, I need a first officer.
Dododecapod
02-06-2008, 21:34
Sheridan. He might not win, but give him enough nukes and there won't be much left of the enemy!
Neo Bretonnia
02-06-2008, 21:38
I included Ackbar as an option for the sake of being complete, but I can't understand why anybody would choose him as the ideal fleet commander.
What do we know about Ackbar? Well, we only saw him portrayed in Episode 6, but here's what I saw, that makes me disqualify him:
-If Ackbar has his way, the Rebel fleet would have withdrawn immediately from the Battle of Endor.
-General Calrissian had to REPEATEDLY talk Ackbar into hanging on to give the ground team time to disable the Death Star's shield.
-It was Lando, not Ackbar, who originated the idea to move the capital ships in close to the Star Destroyers to help avoid fire from the Death Star.
In fact, Ackbar didn't really do much in the way of making decisions. About the only order he gave that I can remember was ordering the fleet to move away from the Death Star after it's reactor had been hit.
I'd take Lando over Ackbar any day, but the choice I voted for was to take command myself ;)
Galloism
02-06-2008, 21:40
I chose Akbar. But I'm a bigger Trekkie, alas my favorite Admiral wasn't available-Janeway becomes an admiral we learn in Voyager, towards the end.
I love Janeway, fav Trek-hell- fav sci fi character.
;)
Gentlemen, if we hurry, we might still be able to save him. Get me 500CCs of your strongest antipsychotic, stat!
Also, get me a straight jacket, blindfold, gag, and a hammer!
Imperial Aaronia
02-06-2008, 21:41
I totally agree with the sbove statement.
Ackbar was a dreadful Admiral.
and talk about stating the obvious!
"It's a trap".....yeh NO KIDDING! Wouldn't have got that from the sight of that death star or anything!
Trollgaard
02-06-2008, 21:41
I included Ackbar as an option for the sake of being complete, but I can't understand why anybody would choose him as the ideal fleet commander.
What do we know about Ackbar? Well, we only saw him portrayed in Episode 6, but here's what I saw, that makes me disqualify him:
-If Ackbar has his way, the Rebel fleet would have withdrawn immediately from the Battle of Endor.
-General Calrissian had to REPEATEDLY talk Ackbar into hanging on to give the ground team time to disable the Death Star's shield.
-It was Lando, not Ackbar, who originated the idea to move the capital ships in close to the Star Destroyers to help avoid fire from the Death Star.
In fact, Ackbar didn't really do much in the way of making decisions. About the only order he gave that I can remember was ordering the fleet to move away from the Death Star after it's reactor had been hit.
I'd take Lando over Ackbar any day, but the choice I voted for was to take command myself ;)
Why didn't you include Admiral Thrawn? Or at least Admiral Palleon?
You need to select a Fleet Commander to direct your fleet of space warships in defense of the Earth. You are facing an opponent with similar technology but vast numerical superiority. Who will command your fleet?
(Poll Coming)
What kind of ships? Are we talking huge battleships or fighters? Corvettes? Frigates?
Composition of the fleet is a huge factor.
Mad hatters in jeans
02-06-2008, 21:46
Mr T for lolz, of course i would have to command the fleet.
Galloism
02-06-2008, 21:46
Chuck Norris.
He would just roundhouse kick the other fleet into oblivion.
Neo Bretonnia
02-06-2008, 21:48
Why didn't you include Admiral Thrawn? Or at least Admiral Palleon?
I started to, but I decided to stick to the "good guys" and because I figured it's better to go with names more people are likely to recognize.
Neo Bretonnia
02-06-2008, 21:49
What kind of ships? Are we talking huge battleships or fighters? Corvettes? Frigates?
Composition of the fleet is a huge factor.
Then I'd say choose the sort of fleet you feel would be ideal then select the appropriate commander to lead it.
Neo Bretonnia
02-06-2008, 21:52
I totally agree with the sbove statement.
Ackbar was a dreadful Admiral.
and talk about stating the obvious!
"It's a trap".....yeh NO KIDDING! Wouldn't have got that from the sight of that death star or anything!
yeah my opinion of Ackbar comes basically from the following statements made by him:
"We won't last long against those Star Destroyers!"
Which is odd since it was the alternative to:
"We can't repel firepower of that magnitude!"
I'm glad Lando had an idea. I guess I'll give Ackbar credit for knowing a smarter tactician and listening to him.
"It's a trap!"
Duh!
"Move the fleet away form the Death Star!"
Glad we have a rocket scientist in charge...
Have you noticed that most of his lines are kinda whiny?
Of the Trek commanders there the only one with any significant fleet tactics experience is Sisko.
Fought at Wolf359 against the Borg, fought at DS9 as commander against the Klingon fleet. Retook DS9 after a battle with the Dominion. Fought against the Cardassian/Breen fleet. Fought the battle of Caradassia Prime.
I wouldn't put Ackbar in command of a soccer game let alone fleets.
Neo Bretonnia
02-06-2008, 21:54
Of the Trek commanders there the only one with any significant fleet tactics experience is Sisko.
Fought at Wolf359 against the Borg, fought at DS9 as commander against the Klingon fleet. Retook DS9 after a battle with the Dominion.
I wouldn't put Ackbar in command of a soccer game let alone fleets.
I agree--mostly, but I wouldn't put the battle of Wolf259 on my resume... Sisko left that battlefield in an escape pod.
But don't forget Picard has commanded fleets from time to time as well, including the successful defense of Earth from a Borg Cube. (Sisko didn't fare so well against a similar Cube commanded by the same Borg Queen.)
Kirk is said to have had fleet battle experience although this has never, to my knowledge, been portrayed in any movie or tv episode, but I included him because of his ability to think out of the box.
I agree--mostly, but I wouldn't put the battle of Wolf259 on my resume... Sisko left that battlefield in an escape pod.
But don't forget Picard has commanded fleets from time to time as well, including the successful defense of Earth from a Borg Cube. (Sisko didn't fare so well against a similar Cube commanded by the same Borg Queen.)
Kirk is said to have had fleet battle experience although this has never, to my knowledge, been portrayed in any movie or tv episode, but I included him because of his ability to think out of the box.
Well as regards to 359 he was just on a ship there, not in command.
Chumblywumbly
02-06-2008, 22:02
Tim Bisley
Just don't give him any Twiglets.
As to the OP, it's a toughie. A toss-up between Sisko and the 'new' Adama, simply because they're the only ones listed I can remember having on-screen actual fleet battle experience.
Ahhh, geekery.
Trollgaard
02-06-2008, 22:09
I started to, but I decided to stick to the "good guys" and because I figured it's better to go with names more people are likely to recognize.
Fair enough.
In that case I'll vote for Sisko.
Call to power
02-06-2008, 22:10
SNIP
Ackbar is some sort of giant goldfish that has not only mastered legs and arms but also the rank of admiral
can you imagine the battles hes fought :eek:
Trade Orginizations
02-06-2008, 22:58
None of the above, accept maybe Ackbar...
I would choose either Thor or the dudes who command the Daedaleus class ships.
West Corinthia
02-06-2008, 23:51
Adama has too many character flaws to lead my fleet.
Kirk would be a good choice, but he is best used to fight KHANNNNNNNNNNN
Sheridan...doesn't ring a bell. Is he the firefly guy? Maybe not. I don't know.
Picard seems like the best choice to me. He knows that the "line must be drawn here! Here, no farther!" (First Contact)
Sisko...another name I don't recognize. I don't feel like looking it up either.
Admiral Ackbar would recognize that the battle is a TRAP, but would be unable to fix the problem.
Lando is too selfish. He would put himself before earth's defense.
I never watched original BSG, so I don't know about original Adama.
Neo Bretonnia, don't know enough about him. I doubt he has any real experience.
I could command myself, but I would probably act along the same lines as Lando Calrissian.
I vote for Picard.
The blessed Chris
02-06-2008, 23:52
Margaret Thatcher.
Margaret Thatcher.
Hahaha, right on! :D
http://frogn3en2007-08.pbwiki.com/f/449px-The_empire_strikes_back_newsweek.jpg
The blessed Chris
03-06-2008, 00:00
Hahaha, right on! :D
http://frogn3en2007-08.pbwiki.com/f/449px-The_empire_strikes_back_newsweek.jpg
Exactly.
*cue Imperial March*
Lunatic Goofballs
03-06-2008, 00:24
Ender.
This.
How can He not even be on the poll?
Ender Wiggin FTW!
Yootopia
03-06-2008, 00:26
Doctor Zee. *nods*
Lunatic Goofballs
03-06-2008, 00:26
Tim Bisley
you should have a never ending whine about how guilty you are thats bores people to tears :)
He can whine all he wants as long as he gets the job done;and he will. He'll probably even wipe out the enemy civilization just to be safe. Then whine about it.
Justy Ueki Tylor.
Seconded.
Though Sisko or Picard would be my second choice.
Skyland Mt
03-06-2008, 01:29
You're favorite Admiral is Janeway?! Please tell me your joking. (Sadly, I know your not.:()
Anyhow, I picked Lando. He's a reformed badguy, so he's a good guy, but he understands the underworld. He also perfomed very well at the Battle of Endor. While Ackbar understandably wanted to flee, Lando pointed out that they had no choice but to stay and fight, and managed to convice Ackbar as well. He not only held the fleet together againdt impossible odds, but actualy developed a new battle plan on the fly that alowed the Rebels to hold out until they could attack the Death Star.
Unfortunately, we only know Lando is a good tactician, not that he's a good stratagist. Both are essential if he's going to be commanding my entire fleet. However, the other choice s are either unfamilliar to me, have shown emotional, mental, or moral instabillity, have committed acts of gross incompetance, or a combination of the above.
Dododecapod
03-06-2008, 01:46
Sheridan...doesn't ring a bell. Is he the firefly guy? Maybe not. I don't know.
Babylon 5. Commanded the station from Season 2, Led the Army of Light to expel both the Shadows and the Vorlons from the Galaxy, led the rebellion against the tyrant Clarke, and formed the Interstellar Alliance to lead the inhabited Galaxy towards peace.
Trade Orginizations
03-06-2008, 03:07
How can you not have Stargate commanders on here? The guys who command the Daedalaus class ships would make good commanders. They are tactically and offensivly minded. They show creativity and resourcefullness. They are brave and intelligent. No major character flaws. How can't they even be up for nomination?
Marrakech II
03-06-2008, 03:10
Gonna have to pick Will Smith. He already saved Earth twice. I figure he might have a bit more in him.
Trade Orginizations
03-06-2008, 03:13
But will smith was never in a sapce ship. He also has no command experience.
Der Teutoniker
03-06-2008, 03:31
You need to select a Fleet Commander to direct your fleet of space warships in defense of the Earth. You are facing an opponent with similar technology but vast numerical superiority. Who will command your fleet?
(Poll Coming)
I'd have gone with General Antilles, had he been an option. In his stead I went with Ackbar... but General Calrissian had a close second.
I'll have to go with myself, since I'm Captain Kirk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bZKEhgieoc)!
Tech-gnosis
03-06-2008, 03:42
Bean. He'd kick Ender's ass any day.
Boihaemum
03-06-2008, 04:02
I'm going with Khadgar on Thrawn, but I voted for Ackbar because his trap line has created so many good times in my life.
Der Teutoniker
03-06-2008, 04:03
I totally agree with the sbove statement.
Ackbar was a dreadful Admiral.
and talk about stating the obvious!
"It's a trap".....yeh NO KIDDING! Wouldn't have got that from the sight of that death star or anything!
Umm, maybe you fell asleep for most of the movie... but you realise that the idea of te rebel assault was to assault the Death Star? Let me repeat that, when the rebels saw the Death Star, they new they at least had the right coordinates.
The Imperial fleet that was in the moon's shadow was the trap.
Additionally, why wouldn't a General broadcast a trap as soon as he realizes it is, maybe not everyone else realized it.
Well, I certainly wouldn't choose you, you seem devoid of any tactical/strategic sense.
Shayamalan
03-06-2008, 04:05
Do it myself!
I wouldn't want to give up the control...
New Manvir
03-06-2008, 04:05
You need to select a Fleet Commander to direct your fleet of space warships in defense of the Earth. You are facing an opponent with similar technology but vast numerical superiority. Who will command your fleet?
(Poll Coming)
hmmm...an opponent with vast numerical superiority...
I Surrender.
Potarius
03-06-2008, 04:07
But will smith was never in a sapce ship.
Independence Day.
Der Teutoniker
03-06-2008, 04:13
Independence Day.
Not really a 'ship' in Independance Day. Additionally, he was not really a commander.
Muravyets
03-06-2008, 04:32
I voted to command the fleet myself because I wouldn't put any one of the listed losers in charge of a fleet unless I wanted at least two thirds of it to be destroyed.
My preferred choices would have been:
If the main feature of the enemy is overwhelming numbers, then I'd want The Doctor, because I know for a fact that he has defeated enemies that out-numbered his side significantly, and I have reason to believe that he has command combat experience, also against greater numbers. Also, he thinks outside the box and is a creative strategist with extensive knowledge of military history who seeks to avoid excessive casualties where possible but not at the expense of his objective. I also know he's not afraid to make the hard decisions and that he knows enough to listen to good advisors. If I had a hope of victory, I would want The Doctor.
On the other hand, if I felt there was no hope and this enemy was absolutely destined to destroy me and my planet, then I'd want Stanley H. Tweedle, captain of the Lexx, for revenge. And I'd keep the fleet at home, since the Lexx by itself is the most powerful weapon of destruction in the two universes, and whether by design or accident, it is guaranteed to swallow my enemy's entire fleet whole (probably a few seconds after or before it accidentally blows up my planet). Either way, I can be sure that enemy will no longer be a threat to the universe, even if I won't be around to enjoy the peace.
Curious Inquiry
03-06-2008, 04:53
Ender.
QFT (or Bean)
Anti-Social Darwinism
03-06-2008, 05:07
You need to select a Fleet Commander to direct your fleet of space warships in defense of the Earth. You are facing an opponent with similar technology but vast numerical superiority. Who will command your fleet?
(Poll Coming)
Honor Harrington. You HAVE read the Honor Harrington Series, haven't you? She beats all the above hands down.
Callisdrun
03-06-2008, 05:22
I included Ackbar as an option for the sake of being complete, but I can't understand why anybody would choose him as the ideal fleet commander.
What do we know about Ackbar? Well, we only saw him portrayed in Episode 6, but here's what I saw, that makes me disqualify him:
-If Ackbar has his way, the Rebel fleet would have withdrawn immediately from the Battle of Endor.
-General Calrissian had to REPEATEDLY talk Ackbar into hanging on to give the ground team time to disable the Death Star's shield.
-It was Lando, not Ackbar, who originated the idea to move the capital ships in close to the Star Destroyers to help avoid fire from the Death Star.
In fact, Ackbar didn't really do much in the way of making decisions. About the only order he gave that I can remember was ordering the fleet to move away from the Death Star after it's reactor had been hit.
I'd take Lando over Ackbar any day, but the choice I voted for was to take command myself ;)
Damn, I wish I could change my vote. Those are all very good points.
I'd take Akbar, simply because he knows a trap when he sees one.
-nods-
Aggretia
03-06-2008, 05:45
I'd have to vote for Lando Calrissian, the first brother in space.
Millanjiharong
03-06-2008, 09:57
The Doctor.
Agreed. I'd also get Han Solo to be his right-hand man. Plan B would be a Calrissian/Picard team.
Conserative Morality
03-06-2008, 10:16
"It's a trap!" - Admiral Ackbar on Ackbar-os.:D
Lunatic Goofballs - He'd probably get his ass completely kicked, but atleast he'd do it with a witty one liner...
Maximus Corporation
03-06-2008, 11:01
Through some sort of mind control I choose to have the enemy fleet commander work for me instead, bringing with the entire fleet.
Pure Metal
03-06-2008, 11:09
Data......or possibly Worf.......no.. Data.........wait, Chekov! .......no, still Data.
Data! but with Picard on hand to round off the awesome crime-fighting duo
Tim Bisley
he and Bilbo could at least make the ensuing battle a lot more hilarious, not to mention surreal :)
Starfleet captains shouldn't command fleets; invariable their fleet gets slaughtered and they have to stop the enemy with nothing but their own ship; which, after having lost their fleet, they are miraculously good at. It's like the law of inverse ninja strength.
I'd consider Ender, but if he knows he's fighting for real he'd lose his motivation (besides which he went through enough).
While Sheridan is a good fleet commander, I don't know how well he'd do against a numerically superior enemy without his superior technology.
The Doctor, again, is also a loner. I wouldn't give him a fleet to fight the enemy, if he's to have any chance he has to go at it on his own. Maybe I'd give him the remains of a fleet that's already defeated, so he has some debris to salvage from.
I think I'll go Yuki Nagato. Admittedly, her only qualification as fleet commander are based on a space simulation game she played, but she showed a great deal of skill in tactics and micromanaging.
Velka Morava
03-06-2008, 11:21
Ender.
And Bean ;)
Markreich
03-06-2008, 13:02
Admiral William "Husker" Adama : While he has fleet experience, his only real tactical brilliance was to not allow networks on his ship and knowing when to jump.
Admiral James T. Kirk : Never commanded more than one ship. While he cheats, it's hard to say what he'd do besides destroy the Enterprise in a brilliant manuvoer.
Captain John J. Sheridan : He has a set lifespan, and usually isn't on the bridge anyway. He's been living off the glory of his tricking and beating the Black Star for years.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard : Not a good choice. Never commanded more than one ship, and DOESN'T cheat.
Captain Benjamin Sisko : Spacestation commanders are not fleet commanders, and relies on his subalterns way too much.
Admiral Ackbar : In theory has the experience, thought the Death Star was not destroyed due to any brilliant commanding on his part.
General Lando Calrissian : He's more of an Omar Bradley kind of guy. An competant administrator and smuggler and a hot pilot, but not a commander.
Commander Adama (Original BSG) : The only real choice. He's had decades of fleet experience, he fended off the cylons for about 30 yahrens after the destruction of the colonies, found Earth, AND he was smart enough to retreat at the Battle of Cimtar.
http://www.iment.com/maida/tv/b7/avonthedangerous-200.jpg
But give me KERR AVON any day. He'll win... no matter what he as to do. :D
Muravyets
03-06-2008, 15:30
http://www.iment.com/maida/tv/b7/avonthedangerous-200.jpg
But give me KERR AVON any day. He'll win... no matter what he as to do. :D
What is that thing on his head?
What is that thing on his head?
tribble.
Muravyets
03-06-2008, 15:32
tribble.
Aw, cute! :D
Neo Bretonnia
03-06-2008, 16:19
The option I chose was that I'd command the fleet myself (but thanks to those who chose the 'Neo Bretonnia' option :D
But if I had to choose one of the above, I think it would be John Sheridan. Of all those, he probably has the most experience not only in fleet command situations, but also in facing a superior foe. He has a good grasp of not only broad strategy but in fleet tactics, and was able to create the grand fleet by using diplomacy and personal charisma to get a variety of races to work together, but also successfully:
-Used ingenuity and out of the box thinking to defeat a vastly superior enemy when EAS Hyperion destroyed the Black Star
-Defended Babylon 5 against an all out assault by Earthforce warships until Minbari aid arrived.
-Discovered effective tactics for use against the Shadows using both Telepaths and jump point within jump gate tricks.
-Successfully led the charge at the battle of Sigma 957 against the Vorlons and Shadows
-Successfully led the fleet in the surprise attack on Mars and then the final assault on Earth.
That's a damn impressive resume. That doesn't even count all the smaller skirmishes here and there.
Intangelon
03-06-2008, 19:04
Gotta go with Sisko. He's been in the situation more times than even Kirk (unfair comparison, given each captain's total screen time), and always seems to have an ace in the hole.
Good call on including Sheridan. B5 was underrated -- it started slow, but once the story arc was solidified, it became excellent.
Intangelon
03-06-2008, 19:06
The option I chose was that I'd command the fleet myself (but thanks to those who chose the 'Neo Bretonnia' option :D
But if I had to choose one of the above, I think it would be John Sheridan. Of all those, he probably has the most experience not only in fleet command situations, but also in facing a superior foe. He has a good grasp of not only broad strategy but in fleet tactics, and was able to create the grand fleet by using diplomacy and personal charisma to get a variety of races to work together, but also successfully:
-Used ingenuity and out of the box thinking to defeat a vastly superior enemy when EAS Hyperion destroyed the Black Star
-Defended Babylon 5 against an all out assault by Earthforce warships until Minbari aid arrived.
-Discovered effective tactics for use against the Shadows using both Telepaths and jump point within jump gate tricks.
-Successfully led the charge at the battle of Sigma 957 against the Vorlons and Shadows
-Successfully led the fleet in the surprise attack on Mars and then the final assault on Earth.
That's a damn impressive resume. That doesn't even count all the smaller skirmishes here and there.
Yeah, I'm gonna change my vote to Sheridan. Sisko as an individual ship captain for sure, though.
Neo Bretonnia
03-06-2008, 19:43
Gotta go with Sisko. He's been in the situation more times than even Kirk (unfair comparison, given each captain's total screen time), and always seems to have an ace in the hole.
Good call on including Sheridan. B5 was underrated -- it started slow, but once the story arc was solidified, it became excellent.
Thanks. I think Babylon 5 is one of the most underrated sci fi shows ever. It's certainly better than Star Trek.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
03-06-2008, 19:55
Commander Ackbar, because I like calamari.:D
Mad hatters in jeans
03-06-2008, 19:58
i don't know about anyone else, but everytime i take a wee check on this thread it feels like Deja vu, and i don't know why.
must...avoid...freudian...analysis....must...resist....
Thanks. I think Babylon 5 is one of the most underrated sci fi shows ever. It's certainly better than Star Trek.I think it's too political for many people, but it's certainly one of my favorites.
Gun Manufacturers
03-06-2008, 20:02
None of the Above.
Grand Admiral Thrawn ftw!
Dude, Thrawn's dead. His Noghri bodyguard stabbed him during the Battle of Bilbringi.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
03-06-2008, 20:15
Dude, Thrawn's dead. His Noghri bodyguard stabbed him during the Battle of Bilbringi.
Ah, but Great Admiral Thrawn was the shyte while alive! He did give grief to the New Republic, you have to admit that.
The Noghri give me the creeps!:eek:
http://www.gwiezdne-wojny.pl/grafika/enc/noghri.jpg
Larsinar
03-06-2008, 20:28
I chose Lando because he has two thumbs and betrayed his friends. :D
Belkaros
04-06-2008, 13:46
Ender would have been my choice too. One Dr.Doctor and BOOM! conflict over.
IT'S A TRAP!!! Akabar hands down
Forsakia
04-06-2008, 13:59
hmmm...an opponent with vast numerical superiority...
I Surrender.
I didn't know Rimmer was an option.
Markreich
04-06-2008, 14:01
What is that thing on his head?
70s hair. Yes, really.
(Blake's 7 started in 1978.)
For you whipper-snappers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake%27s_7
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/SciFi/Blakes7/blakes7.gif
...because everyone knows that the Federation is evil.
Markreich
04-06-2008, 14:02
I didn't know Rimmer was an option.
Rimmer... Rimmer... Rimmer to rhyme with "scum". :D
Areinnye
04-06-2008, 14:07
Yang wen-li, he never lost.
(now I just need to keep those pesky terrorists from killing him)
Reinhard von lohengramm is acceptable to (with Kircheis to back him up)
hindmost, of the pierson's puppeteers.
although kerr skeen, and jami retief are both vice admirals.
oh hell,
paynfare chenure or signey mallory.
maybe even willi mcgilly, but NOT gutboy bloodbucket!
pappa shlemielhorn maybe. decisions decisions, where's my magic randomizer?
=^^=
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Of those in the poll, I guess I'd go with Sisko. Fleet command seems to be what he was getting pretty good at.
Sheridan is a close second, but I figured he was more political - his skill is in getting an international fleet cobbled together - rather than in using it right. And when he used it best, it was again the political decisions - who to attack (i.e Shadows or Vorlons) and why that made him do well.
Picard would be competent too.
Maineiacs
05-06-2008, 21:54
I'd have to go with Picard.
Muravyets
05-06-2008, 22:28
70s hair. Yes, really.
(Blake's 7 started in 1978.)
For you whipper-snappers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake%27s_7
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/SciFi/Blakes7/blakes7.gif
...because everyone knows that the Federation is evil.
Ah, yes, the impenetrable hair helmet. :p
UN Protectorates
06-06-2008, 01:44
Personally, I would want to be in overall command of the fleet myself...
However, the officers I would personally choose as executive officer, tactical commander and fleet operations officer would be a triumvirate of competent, but ambitious men.
Thier overlapping duties and ambition would cause conflict between each of them. The plan being that whilst they will perform at thier utmost capacity in order to compete with one another, they will never be in a position to overthrow me from my comfortable and largely political position in the command chain.
I would more often than not allow my subordinates to co-ordinate the tactical specifics, as I will dictate overall strategy and provide the fleet with a charismatic figurehead.
If I had to choose a fleet commander from the list however, Sheridan sounds like the commander I would choose to be, exercising overall political control and keeping a diverse united fighting force together, whilst leaving tactical command with subordinates.
(Never watched Babylon V, ever.)
Intangelon
06-06-2008, 07:17
I didn't know Rimmer was an option.
"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast."
Which Rimmer? Arnold or Ace?
Forsakia
07-06-2008, 01:28
"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast."
Which Rimmer? Arnold or Ace?
Well, Arnie did become an Ace later on, but I think the funnier choice would be the original, at least he'd make sure that Welsh forces wouldn't attack them by miscommunication.
First, Last, and Always: Starkiller
To go down the list:
Admiral William "Husker" Adama: I feel that William is too much influenced by his emotions and considerations outside of the immediate strategic, tactical, and logistical field. While any good commander does need a larger view of the world, it's too easy to win the battle but lose the war if you don't look beyond the tip of your nose, Adama is too focused outside of the present.
Admiral James T. Kirk: As much ass as Kirk kicks (And let's be honest, that guy whollops more than you ever will), his lack of familiarity with even the most basic rules of command and combat disqualified him right off the bat. I don't care how much you like the pointy ears and Scot accent, you don't bring your first officer, head physician, chief engineer, and helsman with you all on one single away mission! Honestly, how the hell does nobody in Starfleet see the problems with this? One transporter accident, and they happen way too freaking often for a supposedly reliable and ubiquitous technology, and your billion-dollar starship is being run by a group of privates with an ensign thrown in!
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: He's got a better grasp of command than Kirk does, absolutely, but he also seems to be less of a soldier. Don't get me wrong, he's certainly a capable warrior, but it's not his forte; he's got no experience commanding a fleet for any prolonged period, and has never shown an ability to really look at the big picture of a war.
Captain Benjamin Sisko: Though my personal pic of the Trek captains, Sisko has always had somebody behind him providing support. The Federation, the Romulans and Klingons, the Prophets, there's always somebody helping to prop him up. That is in no way meant to slight his abilities, even with that backup he was still outmanned and outgunned, triumphing through sheer brilliance even though the Dominion loomed over even the Federation-Klingon-Romulan Alliance, but it's never been Sisko alone against the world, there's always somebody behind cheering him on, working with him and providing support. He's got no experience being the lone commander, with nobody behind him to pick up the slack.
Admiral Ackbar: Another personal favorite, the Star Wars Expanded Universe really develops the character, you get to see his skill and abilities in many varied arenas, but his skills were always more of large-scale strategic style, not "Two fleets enter, one fleet leaves." If a numerically superior force is bearing down on us I'm sure he'd think of something, he is brilliant, but it's not where he shines. He's just not a slug fighter.
General Lando Calrissian: He's just not a fleet commander (Hey, don't look at me that way! I can't help it!) He never has commanded a fleet, and an all-or-nothing defense of Earth really isn't a good time to start. His manquever at the Battle of Tanaab, which earned him his generals rank in the rebellion, was his own maneuver in a single ship, not a fleet command. At Endor he was under the command of Ackbar, and seemed to only have authority over the fighters. Lando might rock harder than granite, but he just doesn't fit the fleet commander bill.
Commander Adama (Original BSG): The dude wore a cape. 'Nough said.
Now, if you look at Captain/President John J. Sheridan, commander of the Agamemnon, White Star, and White Star II, you'll find a man with all the experience and skills necessary to take a fleet right down the muzzle of an enemy, blast through, and come out screaming on the other side.
The Earth-Minbari War is where he really displays the skills that would be useful here. Earth is outgunned by the Minbari, who also have more advanced technology, a larger fleet, and have had the general advantage ever since the opening of hostilities. Sheridan can not compete with them directly, so instead realies on a greater tactical and strategic mind in order to furnish victory, he prays on their weaknesses and compensates for his own. His ships can not compete with the Minbari ships toe-to-toe, so he lays and ambush. His ships can not target the Minbari, so he lays mines that require no directional aiming. He outwits and uses what advantages he has to reach the only real victory in the Earth-Minbari War, living as the Starkiller forevermore.
Plus, dude's got Ivanova. I don't care who you are, you get a pissed off Russian Jew coming after you, you're fucked, plain and simple.
Soviestan
07-06-2008, 05:33
Captain Picard. Make it so.