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At least six people have been killed and 30 injured in a car bomb attack near the Danish embassy in the Pakistani capital Islamabad.

An embassy worker was among the dead and three were hurt but no Danish citizens were killed or injured.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7430721.stm

Sad, but not unexpected. Big carbomb though. Luckily relatively few casualties were inflicted.

Do you think this was an act of retaliation for the cartoons, a target of opportunity, or other?

And will it happen again?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7430721.stm

Sad, but not unexpected. Big carbomb though. Luckily relatively few casualties were inflicted.

Do you think this was an act of retaliation for the cartoons, a target of opportunity, or other?

And will it happen again?

I would venture to guess it's likely related to the comic strip thing, and given where it happened, Al-Qaeda might be behind it. Who knows?

Do you think this was an act of retaliation for the cartoons, a target of opportunity, or other?


Most likely yes.


And will it happen again?

If the Danish persist and if Yousaf and Pervez and the like don't crack down on this shit (which they almost certainly wont any time soon) then probably yes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7430721.stm

Sad, but not unexpected. Big carbomb though. Luckily relatively few casualties were inflicted.

Do you think this was an act of retaliation for the cartoons, a target of opportunity, or other?

And will it happen again?

At least they didn't kill or hurt any Danes. A few "own goals" though.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7430721.stm

Sad, but not unexpected. Big carbomb though. Luckily relatively few casualties were inflicted.

Do you think this was an act of retaliation for the cartoons, a target of opportunity, or other?

I can't see that being the only reason: it's been some time since the cartoons, and I can't help thinking that a purely retaliatory attack would have come sooner.

"These cartoons are an unforgivable blasphemy! We must have vengeance! Later."

Of course, it could be that security around the Danish embassy has only just been relaxed. Who knows? We can't say without more information.

And will it happen again?

Will what happen again?

Will an embassy be attacked again at some point in the future? Almost certainly.
A Danish one? Probably at some point.
In the near future? Nah, can't see it.

:(

Praying for those people and their families.

At least they didn't kill or hurt any Danes. A few "own goals" though.

Danish foreign minister suspects that one dane may have been killed, but can't / won't confirm it yet.

Danish foreign minister suspects that one dane may have been killed, but can't / won't confirm it yet.

Then again, if you're standing right next to it when it goes off...

Of course, it could be that security around the Danish embassy has only just been relaxed. Who knows? We can't say without more information.
The Danish embassy lies outside of the more secure "Embassy area", and that could be one of the reasons it was targeted.


Will what happen again?

Will an embassy be attacked again at some point in the future? Almost certainly.
A Danish one?
That was what I was thinking... If it was the cartoons that set it of, they will maybe try again?

God damned al-Qaeda. The only casualties there were innocent Pakistanis, no Danish people whatsoever.

However, the Danish cartoonish was deserving it. You don't just go around making fun of a GOD. >_>

Link to the racism (http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/images/danish-cartoon1.jpg)

This picture CLEARLY disgraces all Muslims, extremists or not, and I am very, very disappointed as to what is happening to this world. Are we so uncivilized that we must go make fun of other people's religion?

LOL, Freedom of Religion...>.<

EDIT: Hydeland, what are you talking about? Preventing a suicide bombing is actually very, very hard....

Denmark should print the cartoons again to show the terrorist they cant win.

Denmark should print the cartoons again to show the terrorist they cant win.

Psf, are you kidding me? Re-printing this will only infuriate MORE Muslims. There will bound to be more attacks of this nature because of your 'plan'.

Lol, those newspaper printers make the racist cartoon, and then they hide behind the racist government for protection...Lulz.

Psf, are you kidding me? Re-printing this will only infuriate MORE Muslims.
Screw them. They don't have the right not to be offended.
There will bound to be more attacks of this nature because of your 'plan'.

That's their fault. No, I'm not buying this "look what you made me do" crap. Every act of this kind only shows that the cartoons spoke truth.

Screw them. They don't have the right not to be offended.

What?

That's their fault. No, I'm not buying this "look what you made me do" crap. Every act of this kind only shows that the cartoons spoke truth.

Not true. So, let me get this straight. These white dudes are out of comic ideas, so they decide to poke a little fun at Muslims. They create this racist-ass garbage and expect people to like this? You don't get it, Tmutarakhan because you're not Muslim.

When these Danes portray Prophet Muhammad, the central figure of Islam, with a bomb in his turban, this IMMEDIATELY says "Hey look. All Muslims are TERRORISTS". The ones who made the bombings were the extremists of al-Qaeda. When you approve of this comic, you make fun of half of my family and ~ half of the world. Many Muslims, who did nothing wrong, are now considered terrorists because of this.... garbage.

What?



Not true. So, let me get this straight. These white dudes are out of comic ideas, so they decide to poke a little fun at Muslims. They create this racist-ass garbage and expect people to like this? You don't get it, Tmutarakhan because you're not Muslim.

When these Danes portray Prophet Muhammad, the central figure of Islam, with a bomb in his turban, this IMMEDIATELY says "Hey look. All Muslims are TERRORISTS". The ones who made the bombings were the extremists of al-Qaeda. When you approve of this comic, you make fun of half of my family and ~ half of the world. Many Muslims, who did nothing wrong, are now considered terrorists because of this.... garbage.

Islam is not a race therefore poking fun at their religion should be treated the same as all religions.

Seriously we have "artwork" that shows a picture of Jesus in piss.
that seems more insulting then a bomb in a turban.

Did Christians go blow up any buildings ? NO.

I for one refuse to walk on egg shells. In my country freedom of speech comes before worrying about weather it insults a religion or not.

Islam is not a race therefore poking fun at their religion should be treated the same as all religions.

Seriously we have "artwork" that shows a picture of Jesus in piss.
that seems more insulting then a bomb in a turban.

Did Christians go blow up any buildings ? NO.

I for one refuse to walk on egg shells. In my country freedom of speech comes before worrying about weather it insults a religion or not.

Are you allowed to walk around with the Confederate flag? Technically yes. Freedom of Speech

Are you allowed to be in the KKK? Technically, the government can't arrest you for being in that organization. Freedom of Assembly.

And yes, there are Christian organizations that blow things up. Army of God...Look 'em up ;)

What?
YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED

Can you hear me now?

YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED

Can you hear me now?

...Yea, ummmm, please rephrase it.

God damned al-Qaeda. The only casualties there were innocent Pakistanis, no Danish people whatsoever.

However, the Danish cartoonish was deserving it. You don't just go around making fun of a GOD. >_>

Link to the racism (http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/images/danish-cartoon1.jpg)

This picture CLEARLY disgraces all Muslims, extremists or not, and I am very, very disappointed as to what is happening to this world. Are we so uncivilized that we must go make fun of other people's religion?

LOL, Freedom of Religion...>.<

EDIT: Hydeland, what are you talking about? Preventing a suicide bombing is actually very, very hard....


Making light of a religion is not racists. Religion is not a race, it is a choice of organization to follow. Are you suggesting that we declare that we cannot make fun of anyone belonging to any organization? :confused:

No one has a right to dictate to anyone else what each of us is required to respect or to what standards even. Why should I lose my right to ridicule whomever I please?

I love the cartoon, it depicts the 9th century mentality that is being practiced by some Muslims quite accurately. Are you suggesting that cartoonists lie?

:rolleyes:

Are you allowed to walk around with the Confederate flag? Technically yes. Freedom of Speech

Are you allowed to be in the KKK? Technically, the government can't arrest you for being in that organization. Freedom of Assembly.

And yes, there are Christian organizations that blow things up. Army of God...Look 'em up ;)

yes I am familiar with the army of god. Did they blow anything up over the Jesus in Urine picture?

Not to mention to you advocate stopping abortion to keep the army of god appeased ? I mean if we don't perform abortions then perhaps they wont blow anything up.

I shall respond to both comments.

1) Racism- Actually, racism doesn't just mean discrimination against a certain race. Many famous men, including Maulana Karenga argued that racism constituted the destruction of culture, language, religion and human possibility. Racism has many definitions. I will continue to state that this cartoon is extremely racist.

And more famously, read about some international law. Do you really want to go against the UN?

We recognize that racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance occur on the grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin and that victims can suffer multiple or aggravated forms of discrimination based on other related grounds such as sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, social origin, property, birth or other status;


Source (http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/WCAR2001/WCARDeclaration/general.htm)

2) 9th century mentality? What? Sorry, but al-Qaeda was formed that long ago...:p No, seriously, Muslims were very powerful during that time period. They created the oldest university in history. And also, the House of Wisdom, a library and translation institute, established by al-Ma'mun, Abbasid caliph, in Baghdad to transfer the knowledge of Greeks, Persians, Indians, etc to Muslim world. This is a great finding in of itself. Had the Muslims during that time period not done what they did, many ancient Greek novels, Persian mathmatical formulas, etc would not have been used today!

3) If you know about the Army of God so much, I'm presuming that you visited their site. Nasty pictures, eh? Anyways, one of their top-tier members shot a frecking doctor. They blew up hundreds of abortion clinics. Why? Because they're crazy terrorists...

4)
Not to mention to you advocate stopping abortion to keep the army of god appeased ? I mean if we don't perform abortions then perhaps they wont blow anything up.

...what? Could you re-phrase the question, please?

I shall respond to both comments.

1) Racism- Actually, racism doesn't just mean discrimination against a certain race. Many famous men, including Maulana Karenga argued that racism constituted the destruction of culture, language, religion and human possibility. Racism has many definitions. I will continue to state that this cartoon is extremely racist.


Karenga? Kwanzaa Karenga? The same Karenga accused of raping several women in recent years? Sounds like a good judge of semantics to me.

Also by UN law which you love so much. Arabs are considered whites. So it would technically be whites insulting whites no? So one is insulting ones own race with racial slurs? That seems highly contradictory if not downright impossible.

Following that logic anyone claiming to be Pastafarian is being racist towards their brethren Christians through mockery.

And more famously, read about some international law. Do you really want to go against the UN?


Considering they're worthless and hold no power. They don't truly matter. So yes, I'd go against that troupe of charlatans any day.



Also for the matter of race. If I as an agnostic white male, insult an atheist white male for being atheist and not agnostic I'd be racist? That seems rather ridicolous.

I shall respond to both comments.

1) Racism- Actually, racism doesn't just mean discrimination against a certain race. Many famous men, including Maulana Karenga argued that racism constituted the destruction of culture, language, religion and human possibility. Racism has many definitions. I will continue to state that this cartoon is extremely racist.

forgive me for not considering a man convicted of kidnapping and torturing women an expert on the English language. Not to mention leading a group that shoots black panthers for disagreeing with them.
You may continue to use it all you want, but you will continue to be dead wrong.

And more famously, read about some international law. Do you really want to go against the UN?


here let me help your reading of the UN definition.

We recognize that racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance occur on the grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin and that victims can suffer multiple or aggravated forms of discrimination based on other related grounds such as sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, social origin, property, birth or other status;

The first half of the statement does mention racism but does not mention religion. The second half of the statement does mention religion but has the " on other related grounds" which means religious discrimination is not racism, but discrimination on other related grounds. Because it can not both be racism and part of the "Other". So technically your usage is against UN definition be prepared to have threatening letters that state if you don't comply you will get more threatening letters.

Source (http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/WCAR2001/WCARDeclaration/general.htm)

2) 9th century mentality? What? Sorry, but al-Qaeda was formed that long ago...:p No, seriously, Muslims were very powerful during that time period. They created the oldest university in history. And also, This is a great finding in of itself. Had the Muslims during that time period not done what they did, many ancient Greek novels, Persian mathmatical formulas, etc would not have been used today!

This wasn't directed at me but the history major in me screamed so loud i had to say something.
1. the Greek novels would have survive with out the Muslims, why because the reason they were lost to europe in the first place was because of the Muslim conquest of most of the eastern roman empire.
2. Algebra would have likely been maintained and passed on by the Sassanid empire if Islam had not conquered it. It is not like Islam was the only religion capable of spreading and maintaining knowledge.

3) If you know about the Army of God so much, I'm presuming that you visited their site. Nasty pictures, eh? Anyways, one of their top-tier members shot a frecking doctor. They blew up hundreds of abortion clinics. Why? Because they're crazy terrorists...

which is exactly my point we should not for a moment let those terrorist types win. first we back down from abortion because they blow up abortion clinics, then what next ? We reinstate prohibition because they blow refineries ?

4)


...what? Could you re-phrase the question, please?

I am saying backing down from free speech because a group of terrorist blow up an embassy is just like backing down from abortion because a group of terrorist blow up an abortion clinic. Even more so because I think Abortion is not a fundamental right like free speech is.

Psf, are you kidding me? Re-printing this will only infuriate MORE Muslims. There will bound to be more attacks of this nature because of your 'plan'.

Lol, those newspaper printers make the racist cartoon, and then they hide behind the racist government for protection...Lulz.

Why should non-Muslims worry about the feelings of Muslims? Why should a non-Muslim nation care about your Muslim family or the faith the Arab world follows? Muslims don't need to have any part of Scandinavia, but yet they flock to northern Europe like birds escaping poor climate in their native south, and then WE should be forced to curtail to them? No. Wrong. We should be endowed to draw anything we want to and release it without fear of reprisal. That is no less apart of civilized society than your illusion that we should just accept other people's faiths and leave them be. Are you really so dense as to believe that practicing our right to free press is deserving of a suicide attack from over-zealous savages? This has nothing to do with racism. It has to do with preserving our right to free press, which is something the overly offended Muslims don't seem to understand. I'm sorry, but this is northern Europe, not Iran. We don't need to follow your rules and we're not going to. Muslims want to attack a non-Muslim nation for our characterizations of your prophet? Cool. We'll keep bombing your nations into dust and continue to ignore Palestine's plights, since you can't even act civil over a stupid cartoon.

Denmark should print the cartoons again to show the terrorist they cant win.

How childish. "Lets risk more peoples lives just to prove those dirty sand niggers that we arent afraid of their bombs!"

Or, you know, we could just address the real problems rather than antagonize them more and pretend like we're actually accomplishing something.

Why should non-Muslims worry about the feelings of Muslims? Why should a non-Muslim nation care about your Muslim family or the faith the Arab world follows? Muslims don't need to have any part of Scandinavia, but yet they flock to northern Europe like birds escaping poor climate in their native south, and then WE should be forced to curtail to them? No. Wrong. We should be endowed to draw anything we want to and release it without fear of reprisal. That is no less apart of civilized society than your illusion that we should just accept other people's faiths and leave them be. Are you really so dense as to believe that practicing our right to free press is deserving of a suicide attack from over-zealous savages? This has nothing to do with racism. It has to do with preserving our right to free press, which is something the overly offended Muslims don't seem to understand. I'm sorry, but this is northern Europe, not Iran. We don't need to follow your rules and we're not going to. Muslims want to attack a non-Muslim nation for our characterizations of your prophet? Cool. We'll keep bombing your nations into dust and continue to ignore Palestine's plights, since you can't even act civil over a stupid cartoon.



I think this post sums up why the west has so many problems with the Middle East rather well.

Bravo. Keep up the good work.

And more famously, read about some international law. Do you really want to go against the UN?

The U.N in the 21st century is an obsolete joke. It holds very little influence in the world, having lost the favor of the United States and much of Europe with the increasing rise of the European Union, it's only power is over the smaller nation states who really have no impact on global events anyway. The U.N was a babysitter that kept everyone in line in the 20th century after WWII. But like all babysitters, they become irrelevant when the children grow up to take care of themselves. So... bye bye pretty blue flag.


2) 9th century mentality? What? Sorry, but al-Qaeda was formed that long ago...:p

No, they just think that they're still stuck in that time apparently, since they can't grow up with the rest of the world and have to resort to temper tantrums. Come to think of it, beheading your enemy is pretty Dark Ages.

They created the oldest university in history.

There were universities in Europe long before the Muslims, and the university that you're talking about was founded in 425 A.D while Constantinople was still dominated by Europeans.


3) If you know about the Army of God so much, I'm presuming that you visited their site. Nasty pictures, eh? Anyways, one of their top-tier members shot a frecking doctor. They blew up hundreds of abortion clinics. Why? Because they're crazy terrorists...

Yes, and they should be destroyed. Just like crazy idiots who blow shit up over cartoons.

I think this post sums up why the west has so many problems with the Middle East rather well.

Bravo. Keep up the good work.


Convincing people to give up there hard fought for rights to appease foreigners and religious zealots is not going to get you far. Especially when historically the response to such forced appeasement has been extreme counter-violence. Might as well scream at a wall for all the good it will do you. There is a fine line between realism and idealism. Find it.

Convincing people to give up there hard fought for rights to appease foreigners and religious zealots is not going to get you far. Especially when historically the response to such forced appeasement has been extreme counter-violence. Might as well scream at a wall for all the good it will do you. There is a fine line between realism and idealism. Find it.

And there is a fine line between not bending over backwords to appease a forgein people and not going out of ones way to piss them off just out of spite. I suggest you find that.

Reprinting the cartoons was just a stupid idea. May those people that probably lost thier lives because of them, rest in peace!

And there is a fine line between not bending over backwords to appease a forgein people and not going out of ones way to piss them off just out of spite. I suggest you find that.


No there isn't. Freedom of speech. He can paint the Virgin Mary out of menstrual blood, show moses barking like a dog or he can show the Prophet Muhammed as a pig. All of the above are acceptable outlets of expression in the west. No one forces foreigners to read Danish newspapers, if they disagree with it they don't have to buy the newspapers. Simple as that.

So by all means. If the Danish newspapers feel like reprinting the said cartoons, all the power to them. Same if they don't.

May those people that probably lost thier lives because of them, rest in peace!

Likewise may the uncivilized, inhumane brutes who murdered over a cartoon live their lives in filth and misery.

May those people that probably lost thier lives because of them, rest in peace!

Likewise may the uncivilized, inhumane brutes who murdered over a cartoon live their lives in filth and misery.

Likewise may the uncivilized, inhumane brutes who murdered over a cartoon live their lives in filth and misery.

A cartoon to you! Something that actually scares people to others. I can only pray for those twisted souls that think God and weapons should go together.

Not true. So, let me get this straight. These white dudes are out of comic ideas, so they decide to poke a little fun at Muslims. They create this racist-ass garbage and expect people to like this? You don't get it, Tmutarakhan because you're not Muslim.

When these Danes portray Prophet Muhammad, the central figure of Islam, with a bomb in his turban, this IMMEDIATELY says "Hey look. All Muslims are TERRORISTS". The ones who made the bombings were the extremists of al-Qaeda. When you approve of this comic, you make fun of half of my family and ~ half of the world. Many Muslims, who did nothing wrong, are now considered terrorists because of this.... garbage.

Islam is not a race. It is a religion.

How childish. "Lets risk more peoples lives just to prove those dirty sand niggers that we arent afraid of their bombs!"

No. Childish is caving into their demands and restraining your right to free press out of fear of being attacked by angry little cave men.


I think this post sums up why the west has so many problems with the Middle East rather well.

Bravo. Keep up the good work.

Problems with the Middle East? Wait. What does Qatar have against us? What does Kuwait have against us? What does Yemen have against us? What does Omen or Israel have against us? What does Egypt have against us? I haven't heard of any problems with Bahrain, have you? What does Jordan have against us? What do the students in Iran who are craving for a democratic revolution have against us? Turkey? Cyprus? Armenia? The U.A.E seem to be getting along quite well. We're all just one big happy family getting fat off of one another's resources! :D

Please explain what problems we're having outside of the quagmire we caused in Iraq, the militants in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan, and Iran's government? It seems like we're actually making wonderful business with the rest of the Middle East, since most Muslims are actually decent people who understand that their world stops after northern Africa and the East, and that we don't have to curtail to them outside of their territory.

Islam is not a race. It is a religion.

I explained that already. Religion is part of racism. Guys, I might reply tomorrow if I remember, but I've too tired.

RIP innocent Pakistanis who did nothing wrong!

I for one refuse to walk on egg shells. In my country freedom of speech comes before worrying about weather it insults a religion or not.

So how is the weather in Malta these days?

I see shit that pisses me off every day. If these Muslims don't want to see anti-Islam cartoons, they don't have to buy the Danish newspapers.

If radical extremists blow things up over some silly cartoons, they're just proving those who insult Islam correct.

Free speech is free speech. I have the right to make fun of whatever religion I please. I don't see Christians bombing Norwegian embassies over the blaspheming covers of black metal albums. Muslims aren't special.

God damned al-Qaeda. The only casualties there were innocent Pakistanis, no Danish people whatsoever.

However, the Danish cartoonish was deserving it. You don't just go around making fun of a GOD. >_>

Firstly, if you really think that attacking religion is deserving of death then you should probably talk to a psychiatrist. Seriously.

Secondly, if you think that Muslims worship Mohammed as a god then you don't have a clue what you're talking about. The whole point of the prohibition against images of Mohammed is to combat idolatory.

Link to the racism (http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/images/danish-cartoon1.jpg)

This picture CLEARLY disgraces all Muslims, extremists or not, and I am very, very disappointed as to what is happening to this world. Are we so uncivilized that we must go make fun of other people's religion?

LOL, Freedom of Religion...>.<

EDIT: Hydeland, what are you talking about? Preventing a suicide bombing is actually very, very hard....

You do realise there's a difference between insulting a religion and racism, right? Not that it's relevant to the legality of the situation: either should be equally legal, although obviously they're not equally acceptable.

RIP innocent Pakistanis who did nothing wrong!

Absolutely. They were murdered by totalitarian fanatics who you're trying to make excuses for.

We recognize that racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance occur on the grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin and that victims can suffer multiple or aggravated forms of discrimination based on other related grounds such as sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, social origin, property, birth or other status;

This quote doesn't say what you think it does: it mentions the other bases for discrimination separately: nobody in their right might would claim that sexism, however reprehensible, is a form of racism! You don't call someone a racist for attacking conservatism either, and the rich can't object to progressive taxation by claiming it's a form of racism (if 'property' discrimination is a form of racism...)

Why should non-Muslims worry about the feelings of Muslims? Why should a non-Muslim nation care about your Muslim family or the faith the Arab world follows? Muslims don't need to have any part of Scandinavia, but yet they flock to northern Europe like birds escaping poor climate in their native south, and then WE should be forced to curtail to them? No. Wrong. We should be endowed to draw anything we want to and release it without fear of reprisal. That is no less apart of civilized society than your illusion that we should just accept other people's faiths and leave them be. Are you really so dense as to believe that practicing our right to free press is deserving of a suicide attack from over-zealous savages? This has nothing to do with racism. It has to do with preserving our right to free press, which is something the overly offended Muslims don't seem to understand. I'm sorry, but this is northern Europe, not Iran. We don't need to follow your rules and we're not going to. Muslims want to attack a non-Muslim nation for our characterizations of your prophet? Cool. We'll keep bombing your nations into dust and continue to ignore Palestine's plights, since you can't even act civil over a stupid cartoon.

The part in bold I agree with. The rest? No.

The suggestion that we should attack nations and discriminate against Palestinians due to the actions of their co-religionists is reprehensible: the basis of Liberalism is the idea that everyone should be treated as an individual, and your attitudes make you no better than the totalitarians you claim to oppose.

I don't see the cartoons as an expression of free speech. It is an abuse of free speech. It is thumbing your nose to the fact that you have free speech.
The bottom line is that a mass production of their prophet scares the crap out of them. The Muslims see it as a mockery and are genuinally scared of the possible consenquences. If it really scares people then just basic common sense and an ounce of humanity should tell you not to do it.

I don't see the cartoons as an expression of free speech. It is an abuse of free speech. It is thumbing your nose to the fact that you have free speech.
The bottom line is that a mass production of their prophet scares the crap out of them. The Muslims see it as a mockery and are genuinally scared of the possible consenquences. If it really scares people then just basic common sense and an ounce of humanity should tell you not to do it.

Did they take that news paper and force it in the faces of every Muslim ???

If you do not like it then simply do not buy the paper.
Likewise if you don't like a TV show turn it off.

If that still doesn't do it for you then maybe a letter to the editor (preferably not threatening to blow something up or kill someone).
You right a challenge well enough to the posting of the comics they will likely print it.

Did they take that news paper and force it in the faces of every Muslim ???

If you do not like it then simply do not buy the paper.
Likewise if you don't like a TV show turn it off.

If that still doesn't do it for you then maybe a letter to the editor (preferably not threatening to blow something up or kill someone).
You right a challenge well enough to the posting of the comics they will likely print it.

I think you have quite missed my point. I would think that little or none of the Muslim world actually saw the cartoon. Just knowing it was in mass print scares them. Would you let a little child watch the Freddie & Jason movies and try to convince them that all those things are going to happen to them? (not the best of examples with no insults intended but you get the drift)

I don't see the cartoons as an expression of free speech. It is an abuse of free speech. It is thumbing your nose to the fact that you have free speech.
The bottom line is that a mass production of their prophet scares the crap out of them. The Muslims see it as a mockery and are genuinally scared of the possible consenquences. If it really scares people then just basic common sense and an ounce of humanity should tell you not to do it.

It is a mockery. It is my right, and that of Danish cartoonists, to mock whoever we so please. Is it mean? Yes. But it is our right.

It is a mockery. It is my right, and that of Danish cartoonists, to mock whoever we so please. Is it mean? Yes. But it is our right.

Rights come with responsibilities. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

Rights come with responsibilities. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

the Cartoons did not in themselves put anyone at risk.

responsibilities in regards to free speech are things like not yelling fire in a crowded theater. things that can directly cause hard or death to others.

could you imagine the Jews protesting because of the South Park moses jokes?
Or Christians blowing up buildings over Jesus being portrayed as having a radio talk show?

More over what if it is my belief that Muhammad was a violent man?
that he was a pedophile ? And so on ?
Those above are beliefs some historians have about the prophet of Islam. They are subject for debate, but under no circumstances should we limit the debate to only matters which don't insult people.

the Cartoons did not in themselves put anyone at risk.

responsibilities in regards to free speech are things like not yelling fire in a crowded theater. things that can directly cause hard or death to others.

could you imagine the Jews protesting because of the South Park moses jokes?
Or Christians blowing up buildings over Jesus being portrayed as having a radio talk show?

More over what if it is my belief that Muhammad was a violent man?
that he was a pedophile ? And so on ?
Those above are beliefs some historians have about the prophet of Islam. They are subject for debate, but under no circumstances should we limit the debate to only matters which don't insult people.

What part of what tangable debate should include printing the cartoons?

First guy: "Mohamad was violent!"
Second guy: "No he wasn't!"
First guy: Draws a picture of Mohamad and says "Take that" :confused:

What part of what tangable debate should include printing the cartoons?

First guy: "Mohamad was violent!"
Second guy: "No he wasn't!"
First guy: Draws a picture of Mohamad and says "Take that" :confused:

humor and caricatures are an important part of debate.
http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS264&=&q=bush%20caricatures&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Some of those baptist in the south think Bush is a prophet of god.
does that mean they should protest some of the images listed above in a Google search??

humor and caricatures are an important part of debate.
http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS264&=&q=bush%20caricatures&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Some of those baptist in the south think Bush is a prophet of god.
does that mean they should protest some of the images listed above in a Google search??

There are no pictures that scare me. Nor am I scared if any picture gets printed in mass media. (and who cares what Bush supporters think!) The Muslims are scared that something terrible could happen. Now while some think it's nonsense and nothing bad will happen, some do not! Doing something that scares people is pure shithealism! (unless you are at war with them and nobody is at war with the entire race)

A funny thing is that the extremists getting angry about this are the one who made things like this....

Mickey gone evil! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yWIFhKYiMqU&amp;feature=related)