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I use Linux, and for the reasons described above.

…for the reasons described above.

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Linux: The only reason you'll ever need is 'Why?'

Anyway, I use Windows XP Professional.
This is because I have a copy of it installed on my PC.

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Exactly what I was thinking.


I use XP because I got it for free and it's not a bad operating system. In other words, I'm too lazy to switch and Windows compatibility is important in some of the things I do.

I use XP on one computer, because it is most compatible with games, graphics software, and my tablet.

Another one uses Ubuntu, because I wanted to get a feel for a different OS (and its a crappy pc, so the fact that Ubuntu uses less resources is good).

I use Vista. It's what came on my computer.

I use Vista. It's what came on my computer.

I'm so sorry.

*consoles Katganistan*

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DAMMIT. They posted it before I could create the poll. :upyours:

Linux: The Existential OS
:p

Better.

DAMMIT. They posted it before I could create the poll. :upyours:

(The finger is directed toward the board dudes).

Linux: The only reason you'll ever need is 'Why?'

Linux: The Existential OS

I use XP because thats what I've had for years and change is scary

I use OS X, because Steve Jobs took my soul.
If I ever had to use a non-Apple computer, I'd install Linux on it. Maybe Debian?

Also command line Unix rocks.

Right now? Windows XP Home edition.
Next week? As soon as my computer parts get in, I'm building a desktop and upgrading to Linux, more specifically Ubuntu! Super-exciting!

I use Vista. It's what came on my computer.

Same here.

I would change, but I don't understand computers at a ll, and probably wouldn't notice the difference anyways.

I use Vista. It's what came on my computer.

Mine as well. But I wiped it for Linux. Did YOU?!?! NO, you didn't. :::voice cracks nerdily when trying to scoff:::

i have windows XP as i play lots of games. i also hate apple.

I use OS X, because Steve Jobs took my soul.
If I ever had to use a non-Apple computer, I'd install Linux on it. Maybe Debian?

Also command line Unix rocks.

Well, fuck you, too! :D

A lot of the bigger Linux distros (Ubuntu, SUSE(?), etc.) have versions that can be run on PowerPCs.

Click Stand;13735599']Same here.

I would change, but I don't understand computers at a ll, and probably wouldn't notice the difference anyways.

My laptop came with Vista. I then proceeded to violently rip it off of my computer with a sudden reformat and put on XP. It's been running great ever since.

windows XP.

it came with the computer. why would i bother to use anything else?

A lot of the bigger Linux distros (Ubuntu, SUSE(?), etc.) have versions that can be run on PowerPCs.

I know. But if I stop using OS X, Steve Jobs will do things to my soul. Things that… aren't nice.

I use Vista for work, and Ubuntu for everything else.

I have to use Vista for work because a program I use only works in Vista.

windows XP.

it came with the computer. why would i bother to use anything else?

Ahem, allow me to answer:

1. Because Windows is very insecure in and of itself, and especially so when compared to other OSes.

2. *nix systems basically allow you to customize whatever you want.

3. If you're an idealistic leftist, it looks a lot better when you use open source software rather than inefficient corporate software.

4. If you're a right-winger, it looks a lot more appropriate when you use systems that "hearken back to the good ol' days" of command-lines and relentless instruction manual-referencing.

5. Because Linux is better than Jesus or

6. because Jesus used Linux. Whichever sounds better to you.

Windows, laziness. Also, fail poll is made of fail and bias.

I know. But if I stop using OS X, Steve Jobs will do things to my soul. Things that… aren't nice.

I totally understand. If he releases another iAmanasshole product, I think the whole world will descend to the 10th circle of hell. (Yes, there WAS a 10th circle, and it was reserved exclusively for Mac users).

Ahem, allow me to answer:

1. Because Windows is very insecure in and of itself, and especially so when compared to other OSes.

2. *nix systems basically allow you to customize whatever you want.

3. If you're an idealistic leftist, it looks a lot better when you use open source software rather than inefficient corporate software.

4. If you're a right-winger, it looks a lot more appropriate when you use systems that "hearken back to the good ol' days" of command-lines and relentless instruction manual-referencing.

5. Because Linux is better than Jesus or

6. because Jesus used Linux. Whichever sounds better to you.


ya but why would *I* bother to use anything else?

Windows, laziness. Also, fail poll is made of fail and bias.

ifreann@ifreann:~$ sudo rm -rf

ifreann@ifreann:~] sudo rm -rf

Äitisi nai poroja!


See, insults are pointless when the other party doesn't understand them.

I totally understand. If he releases another iAmanasshole product, I think the whole world will descend to the 10th circle of hell. (Yes, there WAS a 10th circle, and it was reserved exclusively for Mac users).

I don't think that you do totally understand.
There need be no circle of hell for us. Steve Jobs is God and Satan both.
We promised our souls to him, and for this we will be granted Eternal Bliss. Yet defy him, and one will incur his wrath.

With moar seriousness:
Can Linux run off HFS+? Because if it can, I might partition my hard drive.

ya but why would *I* bother to use anything else?

....so you can turn your nose up at Windows and Mac users with a smug sense of self-satisfaction?

Äitisi nai poroja!


See, insults are pointless when the other party doesn't understand them.

(He wiped your hard drive)

sudo -> run commands as superuser (root)
rm -> remove file
-rf -> remove files recursively, force removal

Äitisi nai poroja!


See, insults are pointless when the other party doesn't understand them.

Its not an insult, but you might not want to try it out on a linux!

Edit: Dammit people post fast here...

....so you can turn your nose up at Windows and Mac users with a smug sense of self-satisfaction?

OS X can do anything Linux can do!

*cries*

....so you can turn your nose up at Windows and Mac users with a smug sense of self-satisfaction?

im too old for computer oneupmanship.

4-4;13735663']Its not an insult, but you might not want to try it out on a linux!

Depends whose linux it is.

I'm so sorry.

*consoles Katganistan*

I haven't had any problems. Of course I also have anti-virus programs, anti-spyware programs, a router, and I use Firefox rather than IE.

I haven't had any problems. Of course I also have anti-virus programs, anti-spyware programs, a router, and I use Firefox rather than IE.

How much RAM are you running? My prototype computer for Vista at my old job had 2gb, and it was insufficient to make it run properly.

I use OSX, not out of any snobbery, and not out of any yuppie-scumbaggery, but out of an utter annoyance with Windows and far too much general apathy to learn anything else.

With moar seriousness:
Can Linux run off HFS+? Because if it can, I might partition my hard drive.

Well, I know of some people who run Linux (the distributions that can work on Mac) on their Macs, so I would say, "yes." If you're serious about checking it out, I can look into it for you. :cool:

Well, I know of some people who run Linux (the distributions that can work on Mac) on their Macs, so I would say, "yes." If you're serious about checking it out, I can look into it for you. :cool:

Yeah, but did they have to reformat their disks first? Can they still run OS X?

Ubuntu user here. I've already said I'm slightly annoyed at the latest release because of firefox 3 and pulse audio and I'm too lazy to remove firefox 3 and put something else in. *cries because typing 'dict word' into the address bar doesn't default to dictionary.reference.com anymore and that you can't add any search engine you want to the search box anymore -- that or I don't know how to make it work like I want to*

But otherwise very happy. I am reinstalling XP on another computer after a mega crash of death. I need my computer games fix. :p

Well, I know of some people who run Linux (the distributions that can work on Mac) on their Macs, so I would say, "yes." If you're serious about checking it out, I can look into it for you. :cool:

Try this (http://penguinppc.org/about/distributions.php).

Windows XP Media Center Edition. It's quite stable unless I run too many Morrowind mods, and that's a program problem instead of a system problem. I upgraded a basic Gateway to have a real video card and 2G memory. Even though it's quite mid-grade by current standards, it runs the Crysis demo at medium settings very well.

I use Windows because it runs the programs I need for both gaming and work - but if you can make AutoCAD and Chief Architect work on a mac, I'll consider a switch. I'll switch tomorrow if you can assure me I can play all my Windows 98/XP games without problems.

I currently have four PCs that I use regularly at home, all of them with at least one OS installed. All of them have XP Pro installed, because I find it to be the most stable of Microsoft's OS offerings and because most of the work I do is developed under Windows for users who use Windows.

I have Ubuntu on a couple of them, for giggles, one runs Mandriva, and Vista is on a couple of them (1 Business edition, 1 Ultimate) because I'm running into more and more people who are using Vista and I'll need to know what they're on about when they start having problems.

I also have one install each of Windows 98SE and Windows 2000 on an old Pentium III machine, which I keep for nostalgia's sake and because the machine still hasn't died (although, to be fair, it doesn't get booted up all that often, lol).

Poll should have been multi-choice :p

Ubuntu user here. I've already said I'm slightly annoyed at the latest release because of firefox 3 and pulse audio and I'm too lazy to remove firefox 3 and put something else in. *cries because typing 'dict word' into the address bar doesn't default to dictionary.reference.com anymore and that you can't add any search engine you want to the search box anymore -- that or I don't know how to make it work like I want to*

But otherwise very happy. I am reinstalling XP on another computer after a mega crash of death. I need my computer games fix. :p
FF3 FTL. Try Seamonkey.

Ubuntu user here. I've already said I'm slightly annoyed at the latest release because of firefox 3 and pulse audio and I'm too lazy to remove firefox 3 and put something else in. *cries because typing 'dict word' into the address bar doesn't default to dictionary.reference.com anymore and that you can't add any search engine you want to the search box anymore -- that or I don't know how to make it work like I want to*

But otherwise very happy. I am reinstalling XP on another computer after a mega crash of death. I need my computer games fix. :p

True, Linux isn't the best OS for gamers. That's why I run...ahem...XP...thru Virtualbox.

How much RAM are you running? My prototype computer for Vista at my old job had 2gb, and it was insufficient to make it run properly.

2GB of Ram on an HP Pavilion tx1308nr. I run movies and play games without any hesitation.

Try this (http://penguinppc.org/about/distributions.php).

Debian tells me it can run of a HFS+ disk, so there we go.

*puts off partitioning disk because of fear and laziness*

im too old for computer oneupmanship.

Well I'm not! :::cries due to realization that life is totally empty:::

This machine has an 'evaluation copy' of Windows XP Pro, courtesy of my former Hardware and Operating Systems teacher.
(Hard drive had died, teacher had some WinXP CD's laying around)
I also have Ubuntu Linux 8.04 on here, but it's being a bitch.
I think it hates my hardware.

Debian tells me it can run of a HFS+ disk, so there we go.

*puts off partitioning disk because of fear and laziness*

Fear and LAZINESS!?!? COWARD! Well, actually, I would back up all my data before partitioning...

4. If you're a right-winger, it looks a lot more appropriate when you use systems that "hearken back to the good ol' days" of command-lines and relentless instruction manual-referencing.
I'd rather say if you're a right-winger it looks more appropriate to use a system many different vendors compete over in a free market and anyone can hire programmers to modify than a system controlled exclusively by one monopoly.
Yeah, but did they have to reformat their disks first? Can they still run OS X?
You must create a separate partition for each OS unless you use some special solution like virtualization. If there is no unpartitioned space you must shrink an existing partition. Different partitions on the same hard drive can use different filesystems so your OS X partition can be HFS+ at the same time as your Linux partition is Ext3. You must also set up a bootloader like Apple's boocamp or Linux's Grub that lets you choose which OS to start.

Before messing with the hard drive, back up everything you don't want to lose if you screw up.

Fear and LAZINESS!?!? COWARD! Well, actually, I would back up all my data before partitioning...

Yeah. I'm not sure my (working) external hard drive has enough space.
I think I can still transfer data to and from the unworking one with Terminal… but blah.

I also need to do a clean OS X install (I've been having issues, my own damn fault), and that'll take a long time and not necessarily fix the problem anyway…

Different partitions on the same hard drive can use different filesystems

Oh.

This machine has an 'evaluation copy' of Windows XP Pro, courtesy of my former Hardware and Operating Systems teacher.
(Hard drive had died, teacher had some WinXP CD's laying around)
I also have Ubuntu Linux 8.04 on here, but it's being a bitch.
I think it hates my hardware.

You're not the first person to say that about Hardy...ironically, it was Gutsy that hated my hardware, and my computer went without sound until the Hardy upgrade.

Oh, and I have a 'stolen copy' of XP Pro, courtesy of bittorrent, running thru Linux Virtualbox OSE.

You're not the first person to say that about Hardy...ironically, it was Gutsy that hated my hardware, and my computer went without sound until the Hardy upgrade.

Oh, and I have a 'stolen copy' of XP Pro, courtesy of bittorrent, running thru Linux Virtualbox OSE.

Lol @ torrent.
I was gonna do that on my next PC...
I think the main reason Linux hates my hardware is because of it's Lego-brick style.
Cheap Compaq desktop (I got it for free), Nvidia 7600 GS AGPx8 card, Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy PCI card.
Creative + Linux = suck.

I'd rather say if you're a right-winger it looks more appropriate to use a system many different vendors compete over in a free market and anyone can hire programmers to modify than a system controlled exclusively by one monopoly.

Yeah, well...I chose to resort to quaint stereotypes of left- and right-wingers rather than provide any substantive definition. But that's just because I'm a right- and left-wing hating anarchist. We're NO-wingers! We can't even fly, bitches!

I use Linux, and I do it because it feels good to use software that are written just for my (and the developer's) enjoyment.

I know you can keep Windows perfectly safe by being careful about the software you install, using a firewall, using anti-virus, scanning for spyware, and being paranoid in general. I know, I did it myself. The thing is, I like it much better when I don't have to do this, because, when it comes to my OS and applications at least, there's nobody out to get me, or get to my money.

I've also come to appreciate the nice looks of Gnome, the ease of scripting and programming and customization in general.

FF3 FTL. Try Seamonkey.
Oooh, I'll have to try that. *opens up the package manager*

Vista, because it came with the comp I have now, and I am too lazy to do anything else.

I use most of the above.

I voted Linux as I spend most of my time in it but there are features in many operating systems that I wish to take advantage of. I am primarily a networking and server guy so I choose Linux for my workstations for the networking tools and it complements working on my windows 03/08 systems well as well as my non windows tools

At home I am again a Debian Primary OS as well as on 3 of my servers here. (all 3 of the servers are CLI only)

I also run server03 and XP pro ... server 03 because I want a full windows domain with exchange setup and XP as a secondary boot option on my primary for gaming

I also run a FreeBSD box and have for just over 4 years ... hella stable webserver platform.

I also run a FreeBSD box and have for just over 4 years ... hella stable webserver platform.

I've been wanting to try one of the BSDs (OpenBSD in particular), but I'm apparently too stupid (or maybe just too apathetic) to even install it.

I've been wanting to try one of the BSDs (OpenBSD in particular), but I'm apparently too stupid (or maybe just too apathetic) to even install it.
Its been a long time sense I did a test install of OpenBSD ... could just run a virtual of it to try it out ... I normally test like that

FreeBSD was my first non windows OS ... its not a hard install and it with its ports system is easy as hell to install on as well.

When I rebuild that one it will probably move over to Debian (am just more familiar with debian now) but its going to wait till there is a problem with it or it wont do something I want out of it.

I use Linux, and for the reasons described above.

I use Windows XP because my computer mainly serves as a gaming platform and I can't be arsed to do something like a multi-boot to use Ubuntu.

Windows. I grew up within a mile of Microsoft HQ.

Even though it's quite mid-grade by current standards, it runs the Crysis demo at medium settings very well.

Wow. I can only run it tolerably well with all the settings at low.
I need to upgrade...

I have a MacBook, which runs a OS X OPS. I use Macintosh because I´m a prissy bitch, and I know it.

ROTTEN POLL. Either editorialize or poll, not both.

I use a Mac because it makes sense to me, and has since 1984.

I use a Mac because it makes sense to me, and has since 1984.

I would've answered with that too.

"Apple: Making sense to you since before you were born."

I use a Mac because it makes sense to me, and has since 1984.

That's only because of your visit to the Ministry of Love and especially Room 101.

That's only because of your visit to the Ministry of Love and especially Room 101.

War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Proprietary is Open-Source!

I use Linux cuz I am one of those freaks that enjoys ripping the fuck out of a subsystem for no reason other than to see how it works and why.

Then I got used to it, and prefer it now as a desktop for most situations. Hell, I prefer both KDE and Gnome to the Windows desktop. That said, I use Vista (because I like it better than XP) to play WoW.

Windows, cause it came with my computer.

Windows, because I love Big Brother.

I use Mac OS X.

Because it was on the computer when I bought it.

Shitty poll is shitty

Any way, Windows Vista because:

Gaems
All my old stuff from my old computer that needs windows to run
Mac = shitsux
Linux = not compatible with most of my stuff
Vista specifically because new computer came with it.

Windows XP for home computer and work, Ubuntu for media centre. I would switch to Ubuntu for my home PC, but I like my games too much. I even more would for my work PC except the referencing software that I used for all my work will only run on Windows and only integrate well with Word. Curse you Endnote, Curse You!

I use Linux, and for the reasons described above.

There are security holes in any system - it's called the user.

Even the NSA has been forced to admit that regardless of the operating system, if it's connected to a network, it can be attacked, entered, and taken over. Therefore, the only secure system is one that isn't connected to any other machine, and has physical security enforced by armed guards.

Windows is attacked more often because there's more of it - Macs are just as easy to attack if you know what you're doing. And I've been at companies where we were using Solaris, HP/UNIX, Linux, and IBM AIX - and all of them got hacked at least once.

I use whatever operating system the client wants me to write software for - I don't really care. Security is between your ears - not in your operating system.

Vista, because I'm a casual gamer (which discounts Mac) and like people (which discounts Linux/BSD).

There are security holes in any system - it's called the user.

Even the NSA has been forced to admit that regardless of the operating system, if it's connected to a network, it can be attacked, entered, and taken over. Therefore, the only secure system is one that isn't connected to any other machine, and has physical security enforced by armed guards.

Windows is attacked more often because there's more of it - Macs are just as easy to attack if you know what you're doing. And I've been at companies where we were using Solaris, HP/UNIX, Linux, and IBM AIX - and all of them got hacked at least once.

I use whatever operating system the client wants me to write software for - I don't really care. Security is between your ears - not in your operating system.

Your right that users can make or break security and getting them aware and taking percausions is Key

That being said Linux gives me the tools to do so that are not avaliabe in windows ... not even close

Given the two operating systesm and the same user me with long term large scale network and server experience as well as desktop experience I can make linux conciderably more secure

Your right that users can make or break security and getting them aware and taking percausions is Key

That being said Linux gives me the tools to do so that are not avaliabe in windows ... not even close

Given the two operating systesm and the same user me with long term large scale network and server experience as well as desktop experience I can make linux conciderably more secure

That's true, but Linux is not, to me, any more secure than Solaris or AIX.

And if you're a casual home gamer, Linux is out. And for anything except server use at most commercial businesses, Linux is out (users are hooked on the crack of Microsoft Office, and a host of millions of Windows based apps).

The web application was supposed to liberate the user from Windows, but it hasn't happened.

Take the government for example. If you're writing software for some departments of the government, you can't use open source software (not even the libraries), you can't use anything except Microsoft Office to write documents, and you are stuck writing .NET applications that only run correctly in IE (and maybe not even then).

These decisions are not always in the hands of the programmers and network people.

XP, because I have friends and like gaming.

That's true, but Linux is not, to me, any more secure than Solaris or AIX.

Agreed I tend to lean linux because of A) Familiarity b) Ease and C) Availability of applications that are not easy to get in the Solaris or AIX world

But they do provide the tools (as does BSD) for the most part for security (I would argue some fine points with Solaris but yeah ...)


And if you're a casual home gamer, Linux is out. And for anything except server use at most commercial businesses, Linux is out (users are hooked on the crack of Microsoft Office, and a host of millions of Windows based apps).

I agree I am not like some advertising it as the end all operating system I am a right tool for the job sort of man ... I run windows when it is best, Linux when it is best (which just happens to be a larger portion of MY computing needs) and BSD/solaris/AIX and others when they are usefull as well (for example ruing BSD with Cages or solaris for virtuals or Grid computiing)

The web application was supposed to liberate the user from Windows, but it hasn't happened.

Take the government for example. If you're writing software for some departments of the government, you can't use open source software (not even the libraries), you can't use anything except Microsoft Office to write documents, and you are stuck writing .NET applications that only run correctly in IE (and maybe not even then).

These decisions are not always in the hands of the programmers and network people.
Working with government orgs I normally see stuff writen for Solaris (being closed source) and AIX rather then windows but my development experience is limited in that case I normally was consulted on a problem not the entire system

BeOS. Cause I like Haikus.
OS/2 - cause I like startrek.

Ok, linux, xp and vista in practice. Whatever gets the job done.

Agreed I tend to lean linux because of A) Familiarity b) Ease and C) Availability of applications that are not easy to get in the Solaris or AIX world

But they do provide the tools (as does BSD) for the most part for security (I would argue some fine points with Solaris but yeah ...)


I agree I am not like some advertising it as the end all operating system I am a right tool for the job sort of man ... I run windows when it is best, Linux when it is best (which just happens to be a larger portion of MY computing needs) and BSD/solaris/AIX and others when they are usefull as well (for example ruing BSD with Cages or solaris for virtuals or Grid computiing)

Working with government orgs I normally see stuff writen for Solaris (being closed source) and AIX rather then windows but my development experience is limited in that case I normally was consulted on a problem not the entire system

I'm writing yet another J2EE app now, and the customer (government) says, "you can't use any open source libraries...".

Let's see....

That rules out Struts, Spring, log4j, Hibernate, yadda yadda...

Basically, if I want to write a J2EE app, I'll have to write one from scratch...

and I keep hearing, "it's not secure because it wasn't written by a commercial vendor..."

Windoze (2k and XP). I know how to close doors, so why bother with Linux? Maybe, some day, I will. But not right now, I've got better stuff to do.

I'm writing yet another J2EE app now, and the customer (government) says, "you can't use any open source libraries...".

Let's see....

That rules out Struts, Spring, log4j, Hibernate, yadda yadda...

Basically, if I want to write a J2EE app, I'll have to write one from scratch...

and I keep hearing, "it's not secure because it wasn't written by a commercial vendor..."

That sucks ... I normaly deal at a higher level with orgs bound by HIPAA now you should see how anal some of the vendors are untill they realize we beat every one of the standards :) lucky for the most part with the right network they actually deploy "Web" based EMR sollutions

(Web being internal only)

but yeah

There are security holes in any system - it's called the user.

Even the NSA has been forced to admit that regardless of the operating system, if it's connected to a network, it can be attacked, entered, and taken over. Therefore, the only secure system is one that isn't connected to any other machine, and has physical security enforced by armed guards.


According to my network security teacher (a nerdy guy from the post-and-telecom police corps) 90% of the security breaches come from within your own LAN, and 90% of them is the user's fault - be it intentional or not.

Btw, about the armed guards, if you place armed guys as security device, you should be sure you can blindly trust them, which, of course, you can't.

According to my network security teacher (a nerdy guy from the post-and-telecom police corps) 90% of the security breaches come from within your own LAN, and 90% of them is the user's fault - be it intentional or not.

Btw, about the armed guards, if you place armed guys as security device, you should be sure you can blindly trust them, which, of course, you can't.

Every really bad breach I've ever seen was an internal user doing something intentional...

Vista sucks ass

Use XP for gaming

Linux for Work

And os x to laugh at!

According to my network security teacher (a nerdy guy from the post-and-telecom police corps) 90% of the security breaches come from within your own LAN, and 90% of them is the user's fault - be it intentional or not.

Btw, about the armed guards, if you place armed guys as security device, you should be sure you can blindly trust them, which, of course, you can't.

Being a network security teacher I would say that thoes stats lack a bit but are close in some cases.

For the most part a well maintained internal corporate network can cut thoes stats down by reduciing security privalages at all levels but for home and small busniess (with less robust security design) thoes stats probably are in the ballpark

That's only because of your visit to the Ministry of Love and especially Room 101.

Ah, Orwell.

Seriously, though, I like not needing to decipher incomprehensible crap when my computer is trying to tell me something. Absence of multiple drivers is nice, too. As a casual gamer, I'm perfectly entertained by my G5 iMac. CivIV, Quake IV, UT2k4 online (sniper/camper servers...I like to stalk my targets and am far too old to twitch), WoW, all the stuff I like to play.

I use XP. I see little point to Vista.

OS X on six of seven computers in the house; the last one has Windows XP and it is for games only, NO INTERNETS.

Vista. I like it.

I like Ubuntu, too, but I'm too lazy to a) install it, or b) get it to work properly with all my hardware, especially on the laptop. Not so bad on my desktop, with the exception of my wireless card steadfastly refusing to work no matter what, but the laptop's a nightmare.

Vista. I like it.

I like Ubuntu, too, but I'm too lazy to a) install it, or b) get it to work properly with all my hardware, especially on the laptop. Not so bad on my desktop, with the exception of my wireless card steadfastly refusing to work no matter what, but the laptop's a nightmare.

I would take a look at 8.04 ... they have done a lot with the propriatary Broadcom driver sets ... mine had been a pain for two years and they finally incorporated the full driver sets

Not a Giant ubuntu fan but it was nice to see it working exactly how it should

I'm writing yet another J2EE app now, and the customer (government) says, "you can't use any open source libraries...".
How do you write a Java app that doesn't use Sun's JVM, JDK and 99% of the Java Class Libraries? :confused:

How do you write a Java app that doesn't use Sun's JVM, JDK and 99% of the Java Class Libraries? :confused:

Still trying to explain that to them...

Windows. Mostly because I don't like wading through text-based command lines.

Windows. Mostly because I don't like wading through text-based command lines.

The newer ones do not require any cli interaction for the most part. But in most cases for advanced setups just like windows CLI experience to some extent is desirable

Win2k Pro. Light and (pretty) stable on a home built machine. I used to have Linux, but I have some specialised apps that are Windows or Mac only, and I don't like macs, so win2k it is, and I'm actually reasonably happy with it.