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Next version of Windows demoed.

Khadgar
28-05-2008, 21:26
They're going touch screen:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7422924.stm

t is hoped the successor will have a better reception than the much-maligned Vista OS, released last year.

Scheduled for release in 2010, the new fingertip interface lets users enlarge and shrink photos, trace routes on maps, paint pictures or play the piano.

"The way you interact with the system will change dramatically," said Microsoft chairman Bill Gates.

Speaking at the All Things Digital conference in San Diego, Mr Gates said Windows 7 would incorporate new forms of communication and interaction.

"Today almost all the interaction is keyboard-mouse. Over years to come, the role of speech, vision, ink - all of those things - will be huge."

Chief executive Steve Ballmer described the limited demo of the multi-touch screen at the conference as "a small snippet" of the next version of Windows after admitting he wants "to do better" than Vista.

Even though Vista has suffered from a poor public image and a lukewarm welcome from many firms and users, Mr Ballmer said the company had shipped 150 million copies of the program.

Touch-enabled

Industry watchers say Microsoft is hoping that Windows 7 can change the way people interact with PCs in the future.

"Touch is quickly becoming a common way of interacting with software and devices," writes Windows product manager Chris Flores in a blog post.

"Touch-enabled surfaces are popping up everywhere including laptop touch pads, cellphones, remote controls, GPS devices and more."

When challenged as to who would get to market first with a new touch screen device, Microsoft or Apple, Mr Ballmer said it was not much of an issue.

"We'll sell 290 million PCs and Apple will sell 10 million PCs.

"They're fantastically successful and so are we and our partners. But it's a different job. Steve [Jobs, Apple chief executive] can flip his hand and sell a few models and I don't take a thing away from him."

Website Beta News reports that "beta testing of the product should begin later this year although a lack of touch-screen devices could slow widespread trials of the new interface".

We walked away

During the conference, Mr Ballmer also talked about the company's failure to buy Yahoo, following its offer of $47.5bn.

"Look, we made a bid for Yahoo. It was out there for three months and there was a difference between bid and ask.

What does Windows 7 mean for the mouse?

"We thought we could accelerate our business. We were going to be financially disciplined about it. We walked away. We are talking with them about other ideas but we are not re-bidding on the company. We reserve the right to do so. That's not on the docket."

Mr Gates said: "I've been supportive of everything Steve has done. Totally supportive."

World's best search

While many attending the D6 conference focused on the Windows 7 announcement and comments on Yahoo, a spotlight was also turned on Mr Gates himself, counting down to his last day at Microsoft on 1 July.

At a reception earlier in the day, he chatted to reporters about what the future holds for him. He said even though he was retiring from his "daily duties" at the firm he founded, he wouldn't be letting go completely.

Instead of spending 80% of his time at Microsoft and 20% at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation he would now reverse that.

Mr Gates, who will remain as chairman of Microsoft, said he would still have an office in Redmond and spend time writing, thinking and working on a variety of pet projects, including the next generation Microsoft Office.

"I'm very involved in search, the internal development," he said. "We will build the world's best search."



Gotta say it's been a long time coming and I've been surprised we hadn't used such things before. Anything to be free of those god awful mice.
New Foxxinnia
28-05-2008, 21:36
Even though Vista has suffered from a poor public image and a lukewarm welcome from many firms and users, Mr Ballmer said the company had shipped 150 million copies of the program.
Oh you tricksters. You're not fooling me that easily.
Rubiconic Crossings
28-05-2008, 21:54
Oh you tricksters. You're not fooling me that easily.

LOL!!! Well spotted :)

Nothing gives an IT manager the shit more than when his CEO gets a call from Monkeyboy
Everywhar
29-05-2008, 00:14
That sounds shit fucking awful. I don't want "touch Windows." Bad for gaming.
New Genoa
29-05-2008, 00:20
Instead of having to buy just new RAM and graphics cards for the next iteration of windows, microsoft has been kind enough to make us buy new monitors as well!
Callisdrun
29-05-2008, 00:47
I bet it will suck.
Aperture Science
29-05-2008, 02:03
Another term for XP! Huzzah! Four more years!
UpwardThrust
29-05-2008, 02:15
They're going touch screen:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7422924.stm



Gotta say it's been a long time coming and I've been surprised we hadn't used such things before. Anything to be free of those god awful mice.

I have used tablets in the past quite a bit ... they got a long way to go to catch up to my speed with a mouse and or keyboard in anything other then note taking

Plus actual finger touch technology? talk about inaccurate and bad for gaming.
UpwardThrust
29-05-2008, 02:17
Instead of having to buy just new RAM and graphics cards for the next iteration of windows, microsoft has been kind enough to make us buy new monitors as well!

Which is silly for desktops my monitors are way out of reach ... and an impossible upgrade for laptops
Bann-ed
29-05-2008, 02:18
Which is silly for desktops my monitors are way out of reach ... and an impossible upgrade for laptops

I suggest you read the EULA carefully. Knowing Windows, you may not have a choice... *sinister music*
Conserative Morality
29-05-2008, 02:22
Another term for XP! Huzzah! Four more years!
At the rate Microsoft is going, it'll be dictator for life :p
Bann-ed
29-05-2008, 02:22
At the rate Microsoft is going, it'll be dictator for life :p

I am a staunch supporter of Windows 98, though at this rate it seems to be the Ron Paul of candidates. Or the Nader.
Kamsaki-Myu
29-05-2008, 02:23
Fundamental design flaw! You don't design systems on the basis of current technology - you have to design for the future. If MS was really thinking, they'd make a move to circumvent the graphical approach altogether, jumping on the "Telekinetic Monkey" research into mental interaction and designing interfaces to explicitly expose cognitive entities rather than just making things more graphical.
CoallitionOfTheWilling
29-05-2008, 02:23
Instead of having to buy just new RAM and graphics cards for the next iteration of windows, microsoft has been kind enough to make us buy new monitors as well!

Which is why it will be optimized for those who actually want to use it, Vista will remain the "Main PC operating system" whilst tablet PCs and highly optimized laptops will get this yet to be named system.

And lol @ how fast the Microsoft haters come out.
UpwardThrust
29-05-2008, 02:24
I suggest you read the EULA carefully. Knowing Windows, you may not have a choice... *sinister music*
Lol I am about 85 percent away from windows as a whole in my computing needs ... the last 15 percent is gaming and the few odds and ends on things that I have not worked out alternatives for ... though those are becoming less and less

Until they come up with a gaming feature that is not present in one of the versions I have/can obtain I ain't moving over :)
Bann-ed
29-05-2008, 02:28
Lol I am about 85 percent away from windows as a whole in my computing needs ... the last 15 percent is gaming and the few odds and ends on things that I have not worked out alternatives for ... though those are becoming less and less

Until they come up with a gaming feature that is not present in one of the versions I have/can obtain I ain't moving over :)

Makes sense to me.
As far as OS go, I've always used some form of Windows.
UpwardThrust
29-05-2008, 02:29
Which is why it will be optimized for those who actually want to use it, Vista will remain the "Main PC operating system" whilst tablet PCs and highly optimized laptops will get this yet to be named system.

And lol @ how fast the Microsoft haters come out.

Nothing in the article actually states or even hints that they are focusing on specializing the operating system for a hardware platform

Specially with all the talk of "getting rid of the mouse" when for laptops the touchpad seems to be the primary interface device at least for mobile use.
UpwardThrust
29-05-2008, 02:33
Makes sense to me.
As far as OS go, I've always used some form of Windows.

Used a combination for a lot of years ... Being from a networking background *nix based familiarity is a must ...

Most of the tools are built for non windows platforms or at least primarily so with crappy windows ports if any at all.

But probably will always use a combination to some extent ... right tool for the job an all

(Did I mention that while a *nix guy as a profession I am a Windows server administrator for a microsoft certified partner :) )
Bann-ed
29-05-2008, 02:39
Used a combination for a lot of years ... Being from a networking background *nix based familiarity is a must ...

Most of the tools are built for non windows platforms or at least primarily so with crappy windows ports if any at all.

But probably will always use a combination to some extent ... right tool for the job an all
Yea.

*mind starts to drift* Ah.. what? I have the feeling this thread is going to turn into something only people fluent in 'computer language' can understand. I just happen to use computers and understand some of the lingo. I can't speak it all that well.

(Did I mention that while a *nix guy as a profession I am a Windows server administrator for a microsoft certified partner :) )
So you're an inside man... *pilfers trade secrets*
UpwardThrust
29-05-2008, 02:42
Yea.

*mind starts to drift* Ah.. what? I have the feeling this thread is going to turn into something only people fluent in 'computer language' can understand. I just happen to use computers and understand some of the lingo. I can't speak it all that well.


So you're an inside man... *pilfers trade secrets*

I am about as geeky as it gets in that regards :)

And yup inside man ... one of the perks is free access to any Microsoft product that is released YAY!
Posi
29-05-2008, 04:28
So Microsoft is ditching technical features (MinWin) for prettiness (this multi-touch thing) again? Sounds like another Vista style flop is coming up.
Kyronea
29-05-2008, 04:35
They're going touch screen:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7422924.stm



Gotta say it's been a long time coming and I've been surprised we hadn't used such things before. Anything to be free of those god awful mice.

As nice as touch screens and voice commands sound, a keyboard and mouse will still provide a lot more functionality for some time to come, Windows 7 or not.

(And seriously, you guys, at least work on Vista a little bit before moving on.)
Blouman Empire
29-05-2008, 04:40
Gotta say it's been a long time coming and I've been surprised we hadn't used such things before. Anything to be free of those god awful mice.

What have you got against mice? You musophobe
UpwardThrust
29-05-2008, 04:48
So Microsoft is ditching technical features (MinWin) for prettiness (this multi-touch thing) again? Sounds like another Vista style flop is coming up.

Yeah personally with how awful tired the market is becoming of useless prettiness and annoying features I really thought they might get smart ... develop some of the existing technology and try to just streamline performance

4 years worth of work could do a lot to work out bugs and clean up the interface and provide more flexibility for trimming down the operating system

I could really go for a nice trim fast operating system for a gaming platform rather then eyecandy and bugs
Posi
29-05-2008, 05:10
Yeah personally with how awful tired the market is becoming of useless prettiness and annoying features I really thought they might get smart ... develop some of the existing technology and try to just streamline performance

4 years worth of work could do a lot to work out bugs and clean up the interface and provide more flexibility for trimming down the operating system

I could really go for a nice trim fast operating system for a gaming platform rather then eyecandy and bugsYou would think that OEMs offering XP downgrades back when the legality was under question would have been enough backlash to rock MS's socks. But I guess not.

Hopefull next time :rollseyes:
UpwardThrust
29-05-2008, 05:13
You would think that OEMs offering XP downgrades back when the legality was under question would have been enough backlash to rock MS's socks. But I guess not.

Hopefull next time :rollseyes:

Yeah no kidding ...

I mean if they could come up with something about as "flashy" as XP ... work in some solid improvements like a FS change, networking overhaul, maybe improved drive level/os level encryption along the lines of bitlocker (which actually is fairly feature full surprisingly)

Along with better 64 bit support and a few other major flaws they could have themselfs a hell of an operating system
Posi
29-05-2008, 05:22
Yeah no kidding ...

I mean if they could come up with something about as "flashy" as XP ... work in some solid improvements like a FS change, networking overhaul, maybe improved drive level/os level encryption along the lines of bitlocker (which actually is fairly feature full surprisingly)

Along with better 64 bit support and a few other major flaws they could have themselfs a hell of an operating systemBesides just saying "general performance improvements" I would like to see better shutdown speed (for me, Vista takes longer to boot than it does to shutdown, GRUB included), better move/copy/delete speed (is there really a reason why these operations are not O(1) on NTFS?), decreased time for desktop to be 'ready'.