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So apparently, it is believed by members of the still existing communist part in Russia that the newly released movie "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," is bad for the youth of Russia because, and I quote, "They will go to the cinema and will be sure that in 1957 we made trouble for the United States and almost started a nuclear war. It's rubbish... In 1957 the communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the US."

Am I the only one who, after reading that, said "WTF!?" and then slammed my head repeatedly into the nearest blunt object? I mean, come on, just what exactly is the angle here? I never heard any Nazis or Jews complain when Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc was made, did you? It just goes to show how stupid people can be when a movie, a MOVIE, is taken this far.

It is a sad day on planet Earth.

Isn't Russia Fascist now? They're ranked #3 for most dangerous country for reporters.

I mean, come on, just what exactly is the angle here?

Same as this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557280) angle.

Pretty much any time a movie comes out someone somewhere will come up with a reason to object.

Idiots exist in every country, unfortunately.

that movie is all true. those ruskeis did almost start a nuclear war.

A group in Russia complains about a film. Not Russia itself.

You could find a group somewhere in the world that's pissed off about anything you'd care to mention. It's hardly news, or something to get worked up about.

The film could have been much better than in turned out. This has been your moment of criticism, courtesy of myself.


Am I the only one who, after reading that, said "WTF!?" and then slammed my head repeatedly into the nearest blunt object? I mean, come on, just what exactly is the angle here? I never heard any Nazis or Jews complain when Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc was made, did you? It just goes to show how stupid people can be when a movie, a MOVIE, is taken this far.

It is a sad day on planet Earth.

As a Russian anti-communist monarchist, I hereby declare thee sad and stupid. Rise now, Knight Thrashia of Lame News Reporting For Attention Whoring Upon Forums!

There were also 'smart' Iranians who complained about '300'.

that movie is all true. those ruskeis did almost start a nuclear war.

No, it was the Soviet Union that always acted in pragmatic moderation and were fair in international relations. The Cold War was caused by a string of ideological fanatic Presidents in America who based their entire foreign policy on a ridiculous black/white generalization of the world rather than on reality. The Cuban Missile Crisis was ended by the Soviet Union, not by Kennedy who would have rather had nuclear war and the destruction of the human race than loose face politically in public. The US had thousands of nuclear missiles pointed at the USSR in Turkey, but when the USSR retaliated by putting the same amount in Cuba, somehow now that's bad?

As a Russian anti-communist monarchist
Talk about stupidity, how the hell can you be a Russian monarchist, who the hell are you going to put on the throne? I guess that speaks volumes about the intelligence of the Russian far-right, it's a shame comrade Stalin didn't wipe you all out, your like parasites.

No, it was the Soviet Union that always acted in pragmatic moderation and were fair in international relations.
Wow, that's a rather... slanted view.

Anyways, people will reguarly find a reason to whinge about films. Lord knows I think Braveheart is a biased piece of crap.

No, it was the Soviet Union that always acted in pragmatic moderation and were fair in international relations. The Cold War was caused by a string of ideological fanatic Presidents in America who based their entire foreign policy on a ridiculous black/white generalization of the world rather than on reality.

so the Brezhnev Doctrine was the doctrine of peaceful non expansionist people ?

Also banging your shoe on a desk at the UN building and yelling we will crush you. The discouragement of a Vote in Korea which lead to the Korean war.

Stripping Manchuria and East Europe of all their industrial equipment and shipping it back the Moscow, is fair international relations?

Refusal to allow any Eastern European country to receive Marshal plan aid which lead to millions starving to death.

the list goes on the USSR was by and large little more then an international bully.

so the Brezhnev Doctrine was the doctrine of peaceful non expansionist people ?

Also banging your shoe on a desk at the UN building and yelling we will crush you. The discouragement of a Vote in Korea which lead to the Korean war.

Stripping Manchuria and East Europe of all their industrial equipment and shipping it back the Moscow, is fair international relations?

Refusal to allow any Eastern European country to receive Marshal plan aid which lead to millions starving to death.

the list goes on the USSR was by and large little more then an international bully.

Finally! Praised be the Holy Theotokos and the Twelve Apostoles! For YOU, our great friend the Supreme Khan of Dumbistania is neither dead nor wounded, but in great health and vigour and ready to spread the virus of narrow mindedness and ignorance far and beyond all limits imaginable!

*waves a little flag very enthusiasticly*

No, it was the Soviet Union that always acted in pragmatic moderation and were fair in international relations.

The Cold War was caused by a string of ideological fanatic Presidents in America

The Cuban Missile Crisis was ended by the Soviet Union, not by Kennedy who would have rather had nuclear war and the destruction of the human race than loose face politically in public.

a ridiculous black/white generalization of the world rather than on reality

Well I think the last one sums that up perfectly! Although ideologically I have every reason to, I don't demonise the Soviets, for they did achieve a lot in increasing the nation's standing in the world, even if it did involve regicide, mass murder, treason and terrorism... and it did. But your words are just hysterical and one sided.


Quote:Originally Posted by Tarasovka
As a Russian anti-communist monarchist

Talk about stupidity, how the hell can you be a Russian monarchist, who the hell are you going to put on the throne? I guess that speaks volumes about the intelligence of the Russian far-right, it's a shame comrade Stalin didn't wipe you all out, your like parasites.


I'm not Russian, but actually the Romanov bloodline did survive (sorry, comrade, your guys screwed up) and still does. Although the infighting within the family over who would sit on the throne is far from settled, there are legitimate descendants.

Nicholas Romanov, Prince of Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Romanov%2C_Prince_of_Russia)
Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess of Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Vladimirovna%2C_Grand_Duchess_of_Russia)

Comrade Stalin.... is dead. The Romanov line is not.

It's just like when Americans complain that Kurtlar vadisi - Irak accurately portrays some of their soldiers as the murderers:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/board

I watched that film last night, it was just awful, truly awful.

I'm not Russian, but actually the Romanov bloodline did survive (sorry, comrade, your guys screwed up) and still does. Although the infighting within the family over who would sit on the throne is far from settled, there are legitimate descendants.

Nicholas Romanov, Prince of Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Romanov%2C_Prince_of_Russia)
Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess of Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Vladimirovna%2C_Grand_Duchess_of_Russia)

Comrade Stalin.... is dead. The Romanov line is not.
Why?

The Romanovs had their time at screwing up the country. Getting rid of one bunch of autocrats for another really wouldn't help the situation.

I could see this kind of discussion was going to erupt from MILES away... but anyway now that we're at it.

Wow, that's a rather... slanted view.

so the Brezhnev Doctrine was the doctrine of peaceful non expansionist people ?
(EDIT by Khukanyiselwa: for those who don't know the Brezhnev doctrine click here for short explanation (http://www.answers.com/topic/brezhnev-doctrine-2))

Also banging your shoe on a desk at the UN building and yelling we will crush you. The discouragement of a Vote in Korea which lead to the Korean war.

Stripping Manchuria and East Europe of all their industrial equipment and shipping it back the Moscow, is fair international relations?

Refusal to allow any Eastern European country to receive Marshal plan aid which lead to millions starving to death.

the list goes on the USSR was by and large little more then an international bully.

Nope it is not really a slanted view. The soviet ideology was one of "socialism in one country" therefore they did not really care a lot about what happened in other countries. It does not mean they didn't care at all, but generally they did not really care about "expanding the revolution" since Stalin has the idea they first had to realize socialism in one country before expanding and reaching communism, and that is what makes stalinists different from "real" communists who believe they have to realize a world revolution before they could achieve communism.
Now I'm not saying the USSR were a bunch of sweethearts in the international community but make no illusions: the USA could be quite provocative too and certainly was no angel neither. In fact I even believe international policies of the USA was in fact worse than those of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union had worse internal policies tough (by internal I don't only mean inside Soviet Russia but within the Warsaw Pact (http://www.answers.com/topic/warsaw-pact) as a whole).
Now I don't know whether the policies of the USA during the Cold War

The Cuban Missile Crisis was ended by the Soviet Union, not by Kennedy who would have rather had nuclear war and the destruction of the human race than loose face politically in public.

I do agree is was rather the Soviet Union who ended the Cuban Missile Crisis but I think it might be slightly exaggerated to say Kennedy would rather have had a nuclear wiping out the human race. I don't know whether the USA's policies were intensional and they were merely using the soviet threat as an excuse for their policies or whether the USA was genuinely afraid of the Soviet Union and the "domino effect" (that when communism occurs in one country more and more countries will fall and become communist) because to be honest this domino effect was quite realistic though it might have been exaggerated by the American government and the American media. I think it was a larger economical threat than a military threat.

Pretty much any time a movie comes out someone somewhere will come up with a reason to object.
Ah, it's becoming harder and harder to find someone to give your film that free publicity. Partly people becoming more used to it, partly the offended parties wising up.

It's just like when Americans complain that Kurtlar vadisi - Irak accurately portrays some of their soldiers as the murderers:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/board

I don't think anybody's been complaining that its accurate, rather that its inaccurate and propaganda in the purest sense of the word

Why?

The Romanovs had their time at screwing up the country. Getting rid of one bunch of autocrats for another really wouldn't help the situation.

Actually, I were merely pointing out to Andaras who could claim the throne, since he asked. The "why" rather than the "who" is a separate issue, though naturally, I support it. Russia under a presidency has regressed considerably. Corruption and uncertainty are major issues, and government standards as a whole are poor, inept, demoralised and wasteful. Replacing the president with a Tsar wouldn't solve everything, but it'd be a good start.

It's just like when Americans complain that Kurtlar vadisi - Irak accurately portrays some of their soldiers as the murderers:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/board

Not really.
there is a difference between a few bad low ranking soldiers.
And a insane brigade lead by a sadistic colonial shooting up weddings and killing detainees and shooting the one good American who complains.

As a Russian anti-communist monarchist, I hereby declare thee sad and stupid.
Mind you, I don't disagree with you calling someone else sad and stupid, since that description fits millions and millions of internet forum regulars. But what did the last czar ever do for you to make you a monarchist?

Not really.
there is a difference between a few bad low ranking soldiers.
And a insane brigade lead by a sadistic colonial shooting up weddings and killing detainees and shooting the one good American who complains.

And don't forget the evil doctor stealing people's organs because he's a jew and that is, of course, what they all do

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So apparently, it is believed by members of the still existing communist part in Russia that the newly released movie "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," is bad for the youth of Russia because, and I quote, "They will go to the cinema and will be sure that in 1957 we made trouble for the United States and almost started a nuclear war. It's rubbish... In 1957 the communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the US."

Am I the only one who, after reading that, said "WTF!?" and then slammed my head repeatedly into the nearest blunt object? I mean, come on, just what exactly is the angle here? I never heard any Nazis or Jews complain when Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc was made, did you? It just goes to show how stupid people can be when a movie, a MOVIE, is taken this far.

It is a sad day on planet Earth.

Trust the Commies to make a deal out of nothing. Some people have nothing better to do. As simple as that.

Some people have nothing better to do. As simple as that.
That's pretty much the main reason why this forum is so popular.

That's pretty much the main reason why this forum is so popular.

like.... yeah.... teh interwebs is so kewl...

Isn't Russia Fascist now? They're ranked #3 for most dangerous country for reporters.

Um, no. They aren't. Being the number 3 most dangerous country for reporters doesn't make you fascist. Fascist doesn't mean "Evil" although the nazis, arguably I guess, but not to me, were evil. Fascism is just an intense far-right regime of extreme nationalism. I hate fascism, but that doesn't mean any negative regime can be labeled "fascist"

It's bound to happen, that people get mad at any movie. I remember hearing a right-wing mom complaining that Bridge to Terebithia tried to force atheism on her childre. And don't even get me started on the Da Vinci Code. That got trashed by thousands of churches.

As a side note, I don't like Soviet Communism (aka Stalinism). Stalin may have been a genius, but he was a cruel one. However, I'm a socialist, I'm just critical of the regime originally run by Stalin that rose to the world stage, high enough that the megalomaniac US (i'm also a US citizen, so other USers don't go talking about how we're so unloved) had to try and get them down, lest they loose 1# super-power skill.

IF this movie had been released during the cold war, I might understand Communism groups trashing it as propaganda. Since the Cold War is over, I would think that the education system in Russia would have created kids who are well aware of the events that happened from the end of WWII till 1991. It's just a plot element.

Rant over.

And don't forget the evil doctor stealing people's organs because he's a jew and that is, of course, what they all do

how could i forget about that.

looks like something out of the 3rd riche

I watched that film last night, it was just awful, truly awful.

I saw it too but it was wicked

Anyway...
That was in 1957 get over yourselves anyway its just a film

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So apparently, it is believed by members of the still existing communist part in Russia that the newly released movie "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," is bad for the youth of Russia because, and I quote, "They will go to the cinema and will be sure that in 1957 we made trouble for the United States and almost started a nuclear war. It's rubbish... In 1957 the communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the US."

Am I the only one who, after reading that, said "WTF!?" and then slammed my head repeatedly into the nearest blunt object? I mean, come on, just what exactly is the angle here? I never heard any Nazis or Jews complain when Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc was made, did you? It just goes to show how stupid people can be when a movie, a MOVIE, is taken this far.

It is a sad day on planet Earth.

Could be worse. From what I understand, Temple of Doom was banned in India because of its portrayal of their culture.

Maybe a lot gets lost in the transfer. These movies were based on B-movie archetypes and were never supposed to be accurate in any way. They're supposed to be stereotypical, with a very clear and indisputably evil villain.

I watched that film last night, it was just awful, truly awful.

Lucas came all over the second half of that film.

I felt violated by watching it. Truly sucked.

In Communist Russia, Hat Rescues You!

And I thought I had to much time on my hands.

They should be more angry that Indiana Jones was a dissappointing movie and a waste of money. Ironman was way better.

Memo to the Russian Govt.

ITS A MOVIE GET FUCKING OVER IT!!!.


Thank you.

*Walks away humming the theme to Indiana Jones*

:D

that movie is all true. those ruskeis did almost start a nuclear war.

You actually, genuinely are fucking stupid aren't you? Not simply misguided, ill-informed a little eccentric. Just boorishly, slavishly, jingoistically stupid.

You actually, genuinely are fucking stupid aren't you? Not simply misguided, ill-informed a little eccentric. Just boorishly, slavishly, jingoistically stupid.

I do believe that was sarcasm.

I do agree is was rather the Soviet Union who ended the Cuban Missile Crisis but I think it might be slightly exaggerated to say Kennedy would rather have had a nuclear wiping out the human race.

The memoirs and diaries of the American policymakers at the time all indicate that Jack Kennedy was entirely unwilling to start World War III over pukey little Cuba. He was willing to take the matter quite a long ways, because of the perceived threat of the Soviet missiles, the strong first-strike incentives they provided, and the secrecy under whicht he deployment was carried out, but he was not willing to go to war, and in the end, he would have been willing to publicly give Khrushchev everything that he wanted, in return for the removal of the missiles.

He merely played the situation better than Khrushchev publicly. Stevenson at the UN will show us how we can confront serious military threats within the realm of diplomacy.

On topic, though.

Did anyone actually remember the most politically relevant part of the film, for today? When the FBI (spearheaded by the Janitor from Scrubs!) goes on a witch hunt for Indiana Jones, forces him out of his job and accuses him of treason?

the FBI (spearheaded by the Janitor from Scrubs!)

Seriously? I was all psyched for the movie, now i dont think ill be able to take it seriously

I watched that film last night, it was just awful, truly awful.

I was really really trying to like that movie. I just couldn't, it was really bad.

Did anyone actually remember the most politically relevant part of the film, for today? When the FBI (spearheaded by the Janitor from Scrubs!) goes on a witch hunt for Indiana Jones, forces him out of his job and accuses him of treason?

Sadly he was likely the best actor in the entire movie.

Seriously? I was all psyched for the movie, now i dont think ill be able to take it seriously

Heh, seeing the janitor was probably my favourite part of the movie.

Seriously? I was all psyched for the movie, now i dont think ill be able to take it seriously

If you planned on taking an Indiana Jones movie seriously, I think you missed the point.

If you planned on taking an Indiana Jones movie seriously, I think you missed the point.

Huzzah.

If you planned on taking an Indiana Jones movie seriously, I think you missed the point.

what are you talking about it is obviously a historical documentary.

Talk about stupidity, how the hell can you be a Russian monarchist, who the hell are you going to put on the throne? I guess that speaks volumes about the intelligence of the Russian far-right, it's a shame comrade Stalin didn't wipe you all out, your like parasites.

Erm... Maybe, just maybe...he's talking about a constitutional monarchy?

You know, like in the UK?

You actually, genuinely are fucking stupid aren't you? Not simply misguided, ill-informed a little eccentric. Just boorishly, slavishly, jingoistically stupid.

Personally, I found it very easy to take a post beginning "[Indiana Jones ...] is all true " as irony.

But yours is funnier :p

But this is even better!

Memo to the Russian Govt.

ITS A MOVIE GET FUCKING OVER IT!!!.

Hello? Is that the Russkie Communist Party of the Evil Empire? You talk English right? What will you pay me to give you the secret plans for our moon rocket? I wanna help you win the Cold War and all I want is two nights with Nadia Comaneci. Hello? Are you there?

…than loose face politically in public.

*releases face to terrorize politicians and public*

I'm not Russian, but actually the Romanov bloodline did survive (sorry, comrade, your guys screwed up) and still does. Although the infighting within the family over who would sit on the throne is far from settled, there are legitimate descendants.

Nicholas Romanov, Prince of Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Romanov%2C_Prince_of_Russia)
Maria Vladimirovna, Grand Duchess of Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Vladimirovna%2C_Grand_Duchess_of_Russia)

Comrade Stalin.... is dead. The Romanov line is not.

Please, oh please tell me you do not believe that the Czarevich Alexei and Duchess Anastacia survived? Nor that Maria Vladimirovna did. That woman fled to Paris and there she died. The Romanov children that escaped? That´s a fallacy that has never been able to be proved. And just so you know, before the Bolchevik revolutions, the very Tsar Nicholas, with a swift stroke of his pen, put an end to the Romanov dinasty´s claim to the Russian throne naming his cousing, Grand Duke Mikhail as the succesor.

Tsar Nicholas II´s words at abdication:
¨In the days of the great struggle against the foreign enemies, who for nearly three years have tried to enslave our fatherland, the Lord God has been pleased to send down on Russia a new heavy trial. Internal popular disturbances threaten to have a disastrous effect on the future conduct of this persistent war. The destiny of Russia, the honor of our heroic army, the welfare of the people and the whole future of our dear fatherland demand that the war should be brought to a victorious conclusion whatever the cost. The cruel enemy is making his last efforts, and already the hour approaches when our glorious army together with our gallant allies will crush him. In these decisive days in the life of Russia, We thought it Our duty of conscience to facilitate for Our people the closest union possible and a consolidation of all national forces for the speedy attainment of victory. In agreement with the Imperial Duma We have thought it well to renounce the Throne of the Russian Empire and to lay down the supreme power. As We do not wish to part from Our beloved son, We transmit the succession to Our brother, the Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich, and give Him Our blessing to mount the Throne of the Russian Empire. We direct Our brother to conduct the affairs of state in full and inviolable union with the representatives of the people in the legislative bodies on those principles which will be established by them, and on which He will take an inviolable oath.

In the name of Our dearly beloved homeland, We call on Our faithful sons of the fatherland to fulfill their sacred duty to the fatherland, to obey the tsar in the heavy moment of national trials, and to help Him, together with the representatives of the people, to guide the Russian Empire on the road to victory, welfare, and glory. May the Lord God help Russia!¨

Grand Duke Mikhail refused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia

So, I think the Communists were very thorough.

I keep asking this, but no one will answer me - why is it bad if Americans, inadvertantly or otherwise, offend some group or other, but it's ok if someone is deliberately offensive to Americans?

People offend each other, usually not meaning to, it's part of the condition. Deal with it.

I keep asking this, but no one will answer me - why is it bad if Americans, inadvertantly or otherwise, offend some group or other, but it's ok if someone is deliberately offensive to Americans?

People offend each other, usually not meaning to, it's part of the condition. Deal with it.

*shrugs*
Because Americans are evil?

Wasn't 1957 the same year Khrushchev gave his rather famous "we will bury you" speech at the United Nations?

Yes, I know full well that wasn't his meaning...he was really referring to economic and technological supremacy over the United States rather than aggression. Capitalism was to be buried by socialist progress, not through war. However, the point still stands that the Russians were a pretty big concern for the United States back then.

Did anyone actually remember the most politically relevant part of the film, for today? When the FBI (spearheaded by the Janitor from Scrubs!) goes on a witch hunt for Indiana Jones, forces him out of his job and accuses him of treason?
Yeh the whole McCarthyism angle really was a good subject to touch on.... shame it didn't really do anywhere.

Seriously? I was all psyched for the movie, now i dont think ill be able to take it seriously

I was thinking his appearance might have had something to do with his previous appearance in another Harrison Ford film - but maybe I was reaching.

Needless to say, the film sucked and I kinda wanted my money back.

An insignificant group in Russia is protesting a fictional movie made by the US that some idiots in the US think is based on real events. Ok, let's make a thread about this and turn it into another colossal waste of time. In this thread Russia will once again be demeaned, based on fictional evidence. So, what else is new? :headbang:

Please, oh please tell me you do not believe that the Czarevich Alexei and Duchess Anastacia survived? Nor that Maria Vladimirovna did. That woman fled to Paris and there she died. The Romanov children that escaped? That´s a fallacy that has never been able to be proved. And just so you know, before the Bolchevik revolutions, the very Tsar Nicholas, with a swift stroke of his pen, put an end to the Romanov dinasty´s claim to the Russian throne naming his cousing, Grand Duke Mikhail as the succesor.

Tsar Nicholas II´s words at abdication:
¨In the days of the great struggle against the foreign enemies, who for nearly three years have tried to enslave our fatherland, the Lord God has been pleased to send down on Russia a new heavy trial. Internal popular disturbances threaten to have a disastrous effect on the future conduct of this persistent war. The destiny of Russia, the honor of our heroic army, the welfare of the people and the whole future of our dear fatherland demand that the war should be brought to a victorious conclusion whatever the cost. The cruel enemy is making his last efforts, and already the hour approaches when our glorious army together with our gallant allies will crush him. In these decisive days in the life of Russia, We thought it Our duty of conscience to facilitate for Our people the closest union possible and a consolidation of all national forces for the speedy attainment of victory. In agreement with the Imperial Duma We have thought it well to renounce the Throne of the Russian Empire and to lay down the supreme power. As We do not wish to part from Our beloved son, We transmit the succession to Our brother, the Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich, and give Him Our blessing to mount the Throne of the Russian Empire. We direct Our brother to conduct the affairs of state in full and inviolable union with the representatives of the people in the legislative bodies on those principles which will be established by them, and on which He will take an inviolable oath.

In the name of Our dearly beloved homeland, We call on Our faithful sons of the fatherland to fulfill their sacred duty to the fatherland, to obey the tsar in the heavy moment of national trials, and to help Him, together with the representatives of the people, to guide the Russian Empire on the road to victory, welfare, and glory. May the Lord God help Russia!¨

Grand Duke Mikhail refused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia

So, I think the Communists were very thorough.

Umm, the Russian Tsarist line stems from the Rurikids, the sons and daughters of Princess Olga and Pince Igor. As far as I know, not all of the Rurikids have been destroyed, so technically there still are some candidates for becoming a Tsar.

Too bad the Russians no longer want a ruler based on his successful birth, and would much rather have someone like Medvedev; btw how's the Russian economy doing? And who put this plan together? Oh yeah, that'd be Medvedev, but we all know that Rupert Murdoch is always right and Medvedev's election was a farce, seeing how much we love fiction. It's not like the economy was the sole reason for Bill Clinton winning in 1996, right? Or was that a farce too?

An insignificant group in Russia is protesting a fictional movie made by the US that some idiots in the US think is based on real events. Ok, let's make a thread about this and turn it into another colossal waste of time. In this thread Russia will once again be demeaned, based on fictional evidence. So, what else is new? :headbang:

A couple of points, as presented by a drunk:

-This film was not made by the US, it was made by an American company.
-The Communist party is not an insignificant group. It is one of the larger opposition groups in Russia.
-It is not a waste of time, and it's not to demonize Russia. It's to show how some people can take some stuff far to seriously, to the point that it's comic.
-They demonize their own country enough of that on their own. IMHO, the Russian communist party would be an improvement over Putin's fascist-jr. government.

Memo to the Russian Govt.

ITS A MOVIE GET FUCKING OVER IT!!!.


Thank you.

*Walks away humming the theme to Indiana Jones*

:D

Memo to BrightonBurg

You may actually not be aware of it, but the Russian Government doesn't really give a shit about this movie, nor do most Russians or people of Russian ancestry. Most know it's FICTION and is therefore irrelevant. So to some it up: The Russian Government isn't actually protesting the move, GET FUCKING OVER IT!!!

Thank you for your co-operation comrade.

A couple of points, as presented by a drunk:

-This film was not made by the US, it was made by an American company.
-The Communist party is not an insignificant group. It is one of the larger opposition groups in Russia.
-It is not a waste of time, and it's not to demonize Russia. It's to show how some people can take some stuff far to seriously, to the point that it's comic.
-They demonize their own country enough of that on their own. IMHO, the Russian communist party would be an improvement over Putin's fascist-jr. government.

If you think United Russia is fascist, you are either uneducated, dim-witted, moronic or completely insane. Or just mis-informed.

Also, if you knew anything about Russian Politics, you'd know that the Communists have very little power.

Too bad the Russians no longer want a ruler based on his successful birth, and would much rather have someone like Medvedev; btw how's the Russian economy doing? And who put this plan together? Oh yeah, that'd be Medvedev, but we all know that Rupert Murdoch is always right and Medvedev's election was a farce, seeing how much we love fiction. It's not like the economy was the sole reason for Bill Clinton winning in 1996, right? Or was that a farce too?

To start off with, you're constructing a straw-man the size of the strange thing made out of twigs from that totally incomprehensible film "The Wicker Man" when you prattle on about Rupert Murdoch. What the hell does Murdoch have to do with anything?

Further, Medvedev is so closely linked to his predecessor, that he's practically indistinguishable from Putin, whom I am referring to as the de facto head of the Russian government. While it's true that we've not seen enough in the way of actions from his government, the strongest existing predictions indicate that Medvedev is hardly independent.

If you think United Russia is fascist, you are either uneducated, dim-witted, moronic or completely insane. Or just mis-informed.

Also, if you knew anything about Russian Politics, you'd know that the Communists have very little power.
It seems you are the one with little knowledge of Russian politics then, seeing as the Communists are the only serious contender to Putin's capitalist dictatorship.

If you think United Russia is fascist, you are either uneducated, dim-witted, moronic or completely insane. Or just mis-informed.

If you think otherwise, you're merely a sucker. You've clearly embraced how wrong you are, so my best wishes on that matter.

As I've stated, I labeled the Russian government as Fascism-Jr. While, yes, it's not the full-bore fascism of Mussolini's Italy, the country has already taken many steps down that path. The rule by the elite clique of former KGB chiefs, the establishment of press censorship, and the suppression of dissidents at home and abroad has only begun.


Also, if you knew anything about Russian Politics, you'd know that the Communists have very little power.

They're one of the more significant opposition parties, which is, admittedly, not saying much, but they cannot be fully ignored.

It seems you are the one with little knowledge of Russian politics then, seeing as the Communists are the only serious contender to Putin's capitalist dictatorship.

Wait...I agree with you on something? WTF?

To start off with, you're constructing a straw-man the size of the strange thing made out of twigs from that totally incomprehensible film "The Wicker Man" when you prattle on about Rupert Murdoch. What the hell does Murdoch have to do with anything?

Further, Medvedev is so closely linked to his predecessor, that he's practically indistinguishable from Putin, whom I am referring to as the de facto head of the Russian government. While it's true that we've not seen enough in the way of actions from his government, the strongest existing predictions indicate that Medvedev is hardly independent.

Medvedev is allied with United Russia, so is Putin. They have similar ideologies and will therefore conduct a similar policy. What has Murdoch done? Umm, all of the media owned by Rupert Murdoch have been so anti-Russian that they are turning white into black. Just like they did with the WMDs in Iraq. They did not have a single correct prediction about Russia, yet people still read that crap.

They predicted that Russia will lose the Second Chechen War. Russia won, major victory. The war ended in 2006, so of course, after over 14 years of war and 2 years of peace not all is well in Chechnya, but they've done it.

They predicted that the Russian economy will collapse. The Ruble has been holding stable, the Russian economy is booming, the country has no national debt, and investments into the country are huge.

Now they're predicting that Russia is going towards Fascism. Based on the reality being opposite of their predictions, this prediction makes me very, very happy.

Pretty much any time a movie comes out someone somewhere will come up with a reason to object.

Yes, we should scrap the whole SETI program and just make more movies with evil aliens. We'll hear from them soon enough.

It seems you are the one with little knowledge of Russian politics then, seeing as the Communists are the only serious contender to Putin's capitalist dictatorship.No, they're contenders. There's nothing serious about their contention though.

Medvedev is allied with United Russia, so is Putin. They have similar ideologies and will therefore conduct a similar policy. What has Murdoch done? Umm, all of the media owned by Rupert Murdoch have been so anti-Russian that they are turning white into black. Just like they did with the WMDs in Iraq. They did not have a single correct prediction about Russia, yet people still read that crap.

They predicted that Russia will lose the Second Chechen War. Russia won, major victory. The war ended in 2006, so of course, after over 14 years of war and 2 years of peace not all is well in Chechnya, but they've done it.

e They predicted that the Russian economy will collapse. The Ruble has been holding stable, the Russian economy is booming, the country has no national debt, and investments into the country are huge.

Now they're predicting that Russia is going towards Fascism. Based on the reality being opposite of their predictions, this prediction makes me very, very happy.
Cute strawman.

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Ah, it's becoming harder and harder to find someone to give your film that free publicity. Partly people becoming more used to it, partly the offended parties wising up.

Well, not every film gets news-worthy complaints but practically every film will get a complaint one way or another.

You know, the FBI and the Communist Witch Hunts of the 50s weren't exactly left alone either.

I thought they'd be more pissed off that the communist broad got disintegrated by aliens.

I don't know, I went to see 'Indiana Jones' and I found myself wholly recompensed for my entertainment dollars. It completely lived up to my expectations. Plus, there's a Hooters near by the theatre where you can get a burger, fries, and a beer afterwards.
All in all, not a bad way to spend an afternoon.

As for the rest, there's always some group getting offended by something, I find it generally doesn't pay to pay attention to them.

I do believe that was sarcasm.
Sarcasm, here? That would be a first.

Umm, the Russian Tsarist line stems from the Rurikids, the sons and daughters of Princess Olga and Pince Igor. As far as I know, not all of the Rurikids have been destroyed, so technically there still are some candidates for becoming a Tsar.

Too bad the Russians no longer want a ruler based on his successful birth, and would much rather have someone like Medvedev; btw how's the Russian economy doing? And who put this plan together? Oh yeah, that'd be Medvedev, but we all know that Rupert Murdoch is always right and Medvedev's election was a farce, seeing how much we love fiction. It's not like the economy was the sole reason for Bill Clinton winning in 1996, right? Or was that a farce too?

Although your post seems to be "incredibly helpful", let me just clarify one thing, in case you misread my last post. Stalin was pretty thourough eliminating the side of the Royal Family that mattered. And, of course, before I forget, I do not, in any way, give a hoot about Putin, Medvedev, Bill Clinton or whatever Murdoch might have said, or Russian economy for that matter. It´s all so alien to me as to be insignificant.

More so, Indiana Jones is a work of fiction. A bad one at that, but fiction. If the Russian Communists take it to heart, that speak volumes about their idiocy. It was a movie, just that, so move on and let us all go back to reality and things that "truly" matter.

To start off with, you're constructing a straw-man the size of the strange thing made out of twigs from that totally incomprehensible film "The Wicker Man"

THE BEES! THE BEEEES! THE LOGICAL FALLACY BEES! BEEES! NOT THE BEEEEES! NO THE BEEEEEEES! BEES! NOT THE BEES!

Back to the movie:

I enjoyed it. Not quite an omygoshyoovgottaseethismovierightnowcuzitstotallyawsum, but a fun escapist fantasy adventure. I liked Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Last Crusade more, and this film reminded me a lot of The Infernal Machine (PC game) in the plot and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow in the style of the CGI and effects. Still, I thought the story was fairly cohesive and the humor was as good as the other movies.

My biggest surprise: Shia LaBeouf actually managed a decent performance. He played the exact same character in Disturbia and Transformers. He toned down the over-caffeinated freak thing a lot.

THE BEES! THE BEEEES! THE LOGICAL FALLACY BEES! BEEES! NOT THE BEEEEES! NO THE BEEEEEEES! BEES! NOT THE BEES!

THIS IS MURDER! MURDER! YOU'LL ALL BE GUILTY, AND YOU'RE DOING IT FOR NOTHING! KILLING ME WON'T BRING BACK YOUR GODDAMN HONEY! OR THE LOGICALITY OF SHOFERICA'S ARGUMENT!

THIS IS MURDER! MURDER! YOU'LL ALL BE GUILTY, AND YOU'RE DOING IT FOR NOTHING! KILLING ME WON'T BRING BACK YOUR GODDAMN HONEY! OR THE LOGICALITY OF SHOFERICA'S ARGUMENT!

And now I'm waiting for Shofercia to punch you while wearing a bear suit.

And now I'm waiting for Shofercia to punch you while wearing a bear suit.

Whilst screaming nonsensically, about nothing in particular.

I saw the movie yesterday (Sunday). I enjoyed it. It wasn't up to Raiders, Temple of Doom or the Last Crusade, but it was good escapist fantasy. Harrison Ford looks damned good for being 66 and Shia LeBoef (sp?) was a pleasant surprise.

If Communists were offended by portrayals in the movie, too bad, they gave equal time to the FBI and McCarthy and the whole Communist witch hunt nonsense of the era.

Side note, I grew up in the fifties and sixties and remember listening to my parents talking quietly about how McCarthy was as bad as the Communists in terms of politics and was a greater immediate danger to our freedoms, something this movie, however obliquely and subtly, pointed out.

Talk about stupidity, how the hell can you be a Russian monarchist, who the hell are you going to put on the throne? I guess that speaks volumes about the intelligence of the Russian far-right, it's a shame comrade Stalin didn't wipe you all out, your like parasites.

There's a parasite all right, but it ain't the monarchist.

Yeh the whole McCarthyism angle really was a good subject to touch on.... shame it didn't really do anywhere.



I was thinking his appearance might have had something to do with his previous appearance in another Harrison Ford film - but maybe I was reaching.

Needless to say, the film sucked and I kinda wanted my money back.

Wha? Sure it wasn't Raiders or Crusade, but it wasn't Temple of Doom either.

Wait...I agree with you on something? WTF?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Talk about stupidity. How the hell can you be a Russian monarchist, who the hell are you going to put on the throne? I guess that speaks volumes about the intelligence of the Russian far-right, it's a shame Comrade Stalin didn't wipe you all out, you're like parasites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_Russian_throne

Quite a few distant relatives of the Tsars claim to be the rightful successor.

Cute strawman.

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mmmmm Toasty! :p

and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow in the style of the CGI and effects.

Wow, now I know they fucked it up with their CGI. I like Sky Captain, but it was meant to be a parody of old sci-fi flicks and the CGI matched it. Use that CGI on something like Indiana Jones and you ruin the movie, and make a mockery of the series.

I don't think anybody's been complaining that its accurate, rather that its inaccurate and propaganda in the purest sense of the wordWell a lot of things shown in it really happened: American troops shooting up a wedding (in Afghanistan), American troops torturing Iraqis, Northern Alliance fighters shooting up containers filled with prisoners while American troops were watching. So it's more accurate than U.S. propaganda like Indiana Jones and whatnot. A lot of Americans fail to see this because they are blinded by their hypocritical double standards.Not really.
there is a difference between a few bad low ranking soldiers.
And a insane brigade lead by a sadistic colonial shooting up weddings and killing detainees and shooting the one good American who complains.So? It's still a more accurate representation of Americans than the Indiana Jones movie is of Soviets.And don't forget the evil doctor stealing people's organs because he's a jew and that is, of course, what they all doThe movie says nothing of the sort. You're inferring it.

Just to hit on something a few others had mentioned starting on page three... It's a work of fiction.

I myself haven't watched the film yet, but I think I'm going to have to wait until it comes out on videogame.

Well a lot of things shown in it really happened: American troops shooting up a wedding (in Afghanistan)

you mean the jet flying at 500 mph at 3 am at night that mistook Arab fire works for ground fire??, i mean seems like an easy mix up at night from a plane. The movie shows it during the day and as ground forces
American troops torturing Iraqis yes and when the US goverment finds out we put those people on trial, Northern Alliance fighters shooting up containers filled with prisoners while American troops were watching.
the incident is in doubt in part because several of the witnesses turned out to not even be in Afghanistan at the time. Also worth noting that Afghanistan lacking a thriving Rail or Sea(or a sea at all) transportation system likely did not have the numbers of Containers in country at the time. Even so it is also worth noting that the witnesses reported CIA, and special forces soldiers there not uniformed US military. read anything from 2001 or 2002 from reporters and the local Afgans normally assumed all non Afgans were CIA and delta force.
So it's more accurate than U.S. propaganda like Indiana Jones and whatnot. A lot of Americans fail to see this because they are blinded by their hypocritical double standards.So? It's still a more accurate representation of Americans than the Indiana Jones movie is of Soviets.The movie says nothing of the sort. You're inferring it.[/QUOTE]
Seems the only thing the valley of the wolves got right is that there are Americans in Iraq. you also left out the Jewish American doctor selling Iraqi organs. That seems right out of the elders of the protocol of Zion. And is pretty close to a modern day blood libel.
The difference between the two is Indiana Jones is supposed to be fiction.
Where as the writer for Valley of the wolves believes his work to be a political message.

everything that pisses of a russian communist is a good thing.. damn fools :rolleyes:

. So it's more accurate than U.S. propaganda like Indiana Jones and whatnot.

the Indiana Jones movie was meant to be fiction.
the writer of in the valley of the wolves claimed it to be a political movie.
And even said the movie was 70% fact.

Valley of the wolves is at most 10% fact about the same as Indiana Jones. just Indiana Jones is openly pure fiction where as valley of the wolves is claiming to in part be factual.

So yes I would give Indiana Jones hire fact rating because it is at least honest with itself.

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So apparently, it is believed by members of the still existing communist part in Russia that the newly released movie "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," is bad for the youth of Russia because, and I quote, "They will go to the cinema and will be sure that in 1957 we made trouble for the United States and almost started a nuclear war. It's rubbish... In 1957 the communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the US."

Am I the only one who, after reading that, said "WTF!?" and then slammed my head repeatedly into the nearest blunt object? I mean, come on, just what exactly is the angle here? I never heard any Nazis or Jews complain when Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc was made, did you? It just goes to show how stupid people can be when a movie, a MOVIE, is taken this far.

It is a sad day on planet Earth.

Wow, that is stupid.

First of all, they're entitled to be angry, everyone can have their opinion. Everyone else is also entitled to not care, though. They can BAWWWW all they want and call the waaaaaambulance, but I doubt they'll get an apology. They're not special.

Secondly, it's a fucking movie. They don't have much faith in the youth of Russia if they don't think the kids can distinguish historical fact from a fictional movie made for entertainment purposes.