NationStates Jolt Archive


Potential for abuse, absurdly high

Khadgar
22-05-2008, 13:38
A drug that makes you trust people, even those that are screwing you:

Source: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7412438.stm)


A nasal spray which increases our trust for strangers is showing promise as a treatment for social phobia, say scientists from Zurich University.

They found that people who inhaled the "love hormone" oxytocin continued to trust strangers with their money - even after they were betrayed.

Brain scans showed the hormone lowered activity in the amygdala - a region which is overactive in social phobics.

Drug trials are under way and early signs are promising say the scientists.

Nicknamed the "cuddle chemical", oxytocin is a naturally produced hormone, which has been shown to play a role in social relations, maternal bonding, and also in sex.

Lead researcher Dr Thomas Baumgartner said: "We now know for the first time what exactly is going on in the brain when oxytocin increases trust.

"We found that oxytocin has a very specific effect in social situations. It seems to diminish our fears.

"Based on our results, we can now conclude that a lack of oxytocin is at least one of the causes for the fear experienced by social phobics.

"We hope and indeed we expect that we can improve their sociability by administering oxytocin."

Powerful effect

Previous studies have shown that participants in "trust games" took greater risks with their money after inhaling the hormone via a nasal spray.

In this latest experiment, published in the journal Neuron, the researchers asked volunteer subjects to take part in a similar game.

They were asked to contribute money to a human trustee, with the understanding that the trustee would invest the money and decide whether to return the profits, or betray the subject's trust by keeping the profit.

The subjects also received doses of oxytocin or a placebo via a nasal spray.

After investing, the participants were given feedback on the trustees. When their trust was abused, the placebo group became less willing to invest. But the players who had been given oxytocin continued to trust their money with a broker.

"We can see that oxytocin has a very powerful effect," said Dr Baumgartner.

"The subjects who received oxytocin demonstrated no change in their trust behaviour, even though they were informed that their trust was not honoured in roughly 50% of cases."

In a second game, where the human trustees were replaced by a computer which gave random returns, the hormone made no difference to the players' investment behaviour.

"It appears that oxytocin affects social responses specifically related to trust," Dr Baumgartner said.

Defence barriers

During the games, the players' brains were scanned using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI).

The researchers found that oxytocin reduced activity in two regions which act as natural "defence barriers".

They are the amygdala, which processes fear and danger, and an area of the striatum, which helps to guide future behaviour, based on reward feedback.

The amygdala has been found to be extremely active in the brains of sufferers of social phobia.

Dr Baumgartner's colleague, Professor Markus Heinrichs, has begun a study where social phobia sufferers are given either oxytocin or a placebo, in combination with cognitive and behavioural therapy.

The trials are ongoing, but Dr Baumgartner said that early signs appear "promising".

The hormone could also be a candidate for treating patients with autism, he says.

"Autistic people also have a fear of social situations and have problems interacting, so it is very likely that oxytocin could help," he said.

"This hormone seems to play a very specific role in social situations so might be able to improve autism. But so far I am not aware of any studies."

Mauricio Delgado, a psychologist at Rutgers University, said: "This study has significant implications for understanding mental disorders where deficits in social behaviour are observed.

"While a degree of wariness may protect one from harm, being able to ''forgive and forget'' is an imperative step in maintaining long-term relationships.

"The reported oxytocin finding could provide a bridge for potential clinical applications."

Now, here's a happy thought. We use this drug say airborne in a holding cell. Drag the mook to the interrogation room and he's trusting as a new born babe. Confessions, no problem. No more torture though, too messy when you can just dope 'em.
greed and death
22-05-2008, 13:42
/spray this stuff all over Iraq.
war is over and we get to pump their oil for them woohoo.
Muravyets
22-05-2008, 14:34
This is not going to end well...
Kamsaki-Myu
22-05-2008, 14:49
/spray this stuff all over Iraq.
war is over and we get to pump their oil for them woohoo.
Why not just spray everyone with it? Then not only will the war be over but the people who started it over a culture of fear and suspicion will no longer have reason to do it again.

Problem solved!
Dragons Bay
22-05-2008, 14:53
I can already think of the millions of ways I can con people with this I ever got my hands on it.

Ah...at the end of the day, it is humans who harm humans.
Dryks Legacy
22-05-2008, 14:55
Why not just spray everyone with it? Then not only will the war be over but the people who started it over a culture of fear and suspicion will no longer have reason to do it again.

Problem solved!

And then because everybody trusts each other they'll all be happy and nice and world peace will ensue.

Of course until a small percent of the population have the opposite reaction and start cutting themselves, killing everyone else and strapping their carcasses to their cars.
Kamsaki-Myu
22-05-2008, 15:02
And then because everybody trusts each other they'll all be happy and nice and world peace will ensue.

Of course until a small percent of the population have the opposite reaction and start cutting themselves, killing everyone else and strapping their carcasses to their cars.
Then we'll only be right back where we started. What's the worst that could happen?
Khadgar
22-05-2008, 15:07
I can already think of the millions of ways I can con people with this I ever got my hands on it.

Ah...at the end of the day, it is humans who harm humans.

Perfect date rape drug. She consented.
GreaterPacificNations
22-05-2008, 15:19
And then because everybody trusts each other they'll all be happy and nice and world peace will ensue.

Of course until a small percent of the population have the opposite reaction and start cutting themselves, killing everyone else and strapping their carcasses to their cars. Thats cool. You, me, and an odd bod team can get together scooting from odd job to odd job until eventually we uncover the government conspiracy that led to the drug, simultaneously and ironically winning the battle that had for so long hung over our heads as a motif of tenacity in the face of failure.

Or something.
greed and death
22-05-2008, 15:28
Why not just spray everyone with it? Then not only will the war be over but the people who started it over a culture of fear and suspicion will no longer have reason to do it again.

Problem solved!

cost effectiveness. on the general population of the US we wont get much of a return. however 2 gallons of this on the Iraqi population i bet we get 5000 gallons of oil.
Carnivorous Lickers
22-05-2008, 15:29
don your gas mask before going into a car dealership or jewelry store
Freebourne
22-05-2008, 15:35
As a social phobic that's great news:)
As for the rest of you, I feel sorry guys:D

Can't wait for it to go commercial. Hopefully with no side effects...
other than being raped and robbed with my consent:confused:
Dryks Legacy
22-05-2008, 15:46
Thats cool. You, me, and an odd bod team can get together scooting from odd job to odd job until eventually we uncover the government conspiracy that led to the drug, simultaneously and ironically winning the battle that had for so long hung over our heads as a motif of tenacity in the face of failure.

Or something.

Can LG be our spiritual guide with a mysterious past?
Allanea
22-05-2008, 15:47
You've not even gotten the worst of it.

Imagine a government mass-producing it.
Kamsaki-Myu
22-05-2008, 15:59
cost effectiveness. on the general population of the US we wont get much of a return. however 2 gallons of this on the Iraqi population i bet we get 5000 gallons of oil.
You're missing the point. You'll be gassed up on trust juice. You won't need any oil, because you'll trust people to give you it when you need it (or to not give it to you when you don't really need it, and you'll trust people who say you don't). Similarly, the Iraqis will trust you to use it well, and they'll happily give you what you need.

It's win-win. Reduction of oil use and increased supply.
Greater Trostia
22-05-2008, 16:45
Yeah that's just what we needed, more date rape drugs.
Eofaerwic
22-05-2008, 17:09
Not only does it open up huge potentials for abuse but I can imagine it has the potential for some unfortunate side effects.

Specifically the amygdala is more than just a fear/anxiety system it relates to our emotion-processing and affective conditioning. This includes aspects such as empathy responding as well as fear responses both of which are vital for our moral development. Yes, on social phobics it may help reduce them to normal levels but on people with normal responding you may start getting more socially deviant behaviour or at least deficits in social cognition (which arguably over-trusting would certainly be one).