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What does it for you?

What does it for you?

They are interchangeable at certain times, depending on the circumstance.

They are interchangeable at certain times, depending on the circumstance.

Good point... I still have to sit down rather daintily, but sometimes, it's just worth it :D

pleasure please because the other is generally quite rubbish and over hyped

edit: was I the only one who was thinking of staying in bed all day (pleasure) against going out and doing some stupid climbing (pain)?

Good point... I still have to sit down rather daintily, but sometimes, it's just worth it :D

Well, it's all about paying the price for getting what you want.

What does it for you?

A little bit of both. A little bit of pain and a little bit of pleasure. A forcefull tug here and nice touch there. You know the drill.:D

A little bit of both. A little bit of pain and a little bit of pleasure. A forcefull tug here and nice touch there. You know the drill.:D

Absolutely, I do.

Absolutely, I do.

Do you now?;)

Well, it's all about paying the price for getting what you want.

No complaints, to be sure.

Do you now?;)

He's just pretending ;)

Pleasure, please.

Pain is painful by definition, because otherwise it would be pleasure. And if pain is pleasurable, then it's not really pain, is it?

Do you now?;)

Well, it's all about using the proper amount of drilling while executing the drill.

Pleasure, please.

Pain is painful by definition, because otherwise it would be pleasure. And if pain is pleasurable, then it's not really pain, is it?

Not really, it still remains pain, distincly so. You just happen to enjoy it.

Pain hurts. :(

Well, it's all about using the proper amount of drilling while executing the drill.

Roger that.

What does it for you?
Does what? :)

Both, I'd say. Because aren't they both defined in terms of each other? That is, without pain there wouldn't be pleasure and vice versa.

Does what? :)

It. ;) :p

It. ;) :p

*reads the thread so far* You mean putting up cabinets? ;)

Well, in that case, other people's pain = my pleasure, definitely. :)

*reads the thread so far* You mean putting up cabinets? ;)

Well, in that case, other people's pain = my pleasure, definitely. :)

Cabinets? No, silly. I mean shopping for bath oils, of course. :p

I'm allergic to pain.

I ache for the touch of your lips, dear,
But much more for the touch of your whips, dear.
You can raise welts
Like nobody else,
As we dance to the Masochism Tango.

Let our love be a flame, not an ember,
Say it's me that you want to dismember.
Blacken my eye,
Set fire to my tie,
As we dance to the Masochism Tango.

At your command
Before you here I stand,
My heart is in my hand...
Yeech!
It's here that I must be.

My heart entreats,
Just hear those savage beats,
And go put on your cleats
And come and trample me.

Your heart is hard as stone or mahogany,
That's why I'm in such exquisite agony.
My soul is on fire,
It's aflame with desire,
Which is why I perspire when we tango.

You caught my nose
In your left castanet, love,
I can feel the pain yet, love,
Ev'ry time I hear drums.

And I envy the rose
That you held in your teeth, love,
With the thorns underneath, love,
Sticking into your gums.

Your eyes cast a spell that bewitches.
The last time I needed twenty stitches
To sew up the gash
That you made with your lash,
As we danced to the Masochism Tango.

Bash in my brain,
And make me scream with pain,
Then kick me once again,
And say we'll never part.

I know too well
I'm underneath your spell,
So, darling, if you smell
Something burning, it's my heart... [hiccup]
'Scuse me!

Take your cigarette from its holder,
And burn your initials in my shoulder.
Fracture my spine,
And swear that you're mine,
As we dance to the Masochism Tango.

-Tom Lehrer

Cabinets? No, silly. I mean shopping for bath oils, of course. :p
Oh, ye GAWDS! Shopping for bath oils is the most tedious pain EVAH. If the "IT" is acquiring bath oils, then yeah, I suppose the pain would do it for me. But if the "IT" is getting me off, then no -- a thousand times NO! -- that pain does not do it for me. ;)

Pain is umm painful, and pleasure is umm pleasureable.

Pain is umm painful, and pleasure is umm pleasureable.

What about pain that's pleasurable, though?

What about pain that's pleasurable, though?

They are largley two differant things in my life, the obvious example being tatooes and pierceings.

I like being tattoed, and pierced the actual act of it can be quite meditative, other than that no pain please and more pleasure.

I'm more of a...shall we say....giver..

I'm more of a...shall we say....giver..

Ohh that is kind, what are you giving ummm?

What does it for you?

Pain is pleasure.

It depends on my mood really.

Ohh that is kind, what are you giving ummm?

for most of the girls I spend time with, they're pretty much the same thing.

for most of the girls I spend time with, they're pretty much the same thing.

Huh? So in answer to my question asking what it is that you are giving, you answer..... some gibberish!:p

Huh? So in answer to my question asking what it is that you are giving, you answer..... some gibberish!:p

I suggest you read the topic of the OP.

Gaaaah and I suggest you learn to reconise homour!:D

For some people, pain equals pleasure...for me too, in moderation.

Pain or pleasure?

Yes

I prefer the proper application of each at the right moments. It's a good balance. :p

What does it for you?

I prefer not to have sex with Pennywise thank you very much.

Surprisingly, the best quote about pain I could find was a US Marines slogan: "pain is weakness leaving the body". Of course, the reality is more nuanced than that, but the point is valid nonetheless.

I expect this thread is meant to be about S&M, but, whatever.

I don't fancy pain in the least

I don't fancy pain in the least

Wuss! ;)

Variety is the spice of life. :)

I prefer pleasure, but pain is okay. Sometimes.

I prefer pleasure, but pain is okay. Sometimes.

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Yes

Seconded, with the possible addition of "sir/ma'am." :p

Seconded, with the possible addition of "sir/ma'am." :p

or please...
:D

Pleasure.
Both, I'd say. Because aren't they both defined in terms of each other? That is, without pain there wouldn't be pleasure and vice versa.No, it's entirely possible for there to be a state of neither pleasure nor pain.

Pleasure.
No, it's entirely possible for there to be a state of neither pleasure nor pain.

Yes, but that state is called "boredom"...

Pain as a result of, and after, pleasure is acceptable. Before, nah...that shit hurts.

Yes, but that state is called "boredom"...
Or NSG :D.

Surely if one enjoys pain, it would count as pleasure?

Surely if one enjoys pain, it would count as pleasure?

Very true


Personally I like a little pain, a little playful biting, but it makes the pain pleasurable.. :fluffle:

A little pain mixed in can be good. I like when my ladyfriend bites me, for example.

A little pain mixed in can be good. I like when my ladyfriend bites me, for example.

I'll bite you..

Wait who would say something like that

LOL

This thread is silly.

It's taken me quite a while to admit it to myself, but pain definitely does it for me more than pleasure.

This thread is silly.

Maybe you dont appreciate the same silliness we do!







JK

Maybe you dont appreciate the same silliness we do!

I didn't say that silliness was a bad thing.

I didn't say that silliness was a bad thing.

well good lol

I'll bite you..

Wait who would say something like that

LOL

Whether I'd let you would depend on your gender, lol.

Whether I'd let you would depend on your gender, lol.

Well I am a female..

What does it for you?

It's not really an either/or.

If someone enjoys pain, they find it pleasurable, therefore it is a pleasure.

I don't fancy pain in the least

Then you'll need lots of lube.

It's not really an either/or.

If someone enjoys pain, they find it pleasurable, therefore it is a pleasure.

That's not exactly true though. Take it from someone who has known many masochists in his day. Any one will tell you, the fact that they enjoy pain doesn't stop it from being pain.

What if I find pain to be pleasure?

What if I find pain to be pleasure?

doesn't stop being pain though, does it?

That's not exactly true though. Take it from someone who has known many masochists in his day. Any one will tell you, the fact that they enjoy pain doesn't stop it from being pain.

I didn't say it stops it being painful. It's just also pleasurable. So it's not a binary opposition. It's not black or white. Do you see what I mean?

I quite enjoy pain - to an extent - in the bedroom.

Pleasure, thank you. At least in terms of bedroom gymnastics.

Of course that is more due to fact that those who give pain tend to be controlling and those who receive it and like it tend to want to be controlled (Er, sexually speaking of course). Since neither appeals to me...

I go for about an equal mix of both, really, though I prefer pleasure without pain to pain without pleasure. Gentle hands caressing after a good, sound whipping is about the height of it.

doesn't stop being pain though, does it?

No, and he didn't imply that it stopped it being pain.

He implied that pain could, in fact, be found pleasurable.

Inflicting pain on others brings me great pleasure.

Inflicting pain on others brings me great pleasure.

Same here... but only if they enjoy it :)

It's not really an either/or.

If someone enjoys pain, they find it pleasurable, therefore it is a pleasure.

No.

Common misconception. You can mix pain and pleasure...the pain will tend to be reduced and bearable because of the pleasure, and it can heighten said pleasure. But what I enjoy is pain. Not pain mixed with pleasure. Oh don't get me wrong...pleasure is find, pain and pleasure mixed is better...but what really turns my crank in extreme ways is actual pain. Nor is 'enjoyment' perhaps the best way to describe how a masochist experiences pain. Nor is saying 'pain is pleasurable' to a masochist accurate.

It's an entirely different kind of sensation than pleasure, and it puts you into an entirely different headspace.

Same here... but only if they enjoy it :)

It would be very creepy otherwise.

Same here... but only if they enjoy it :)
Consent takes all of the fun out of it.

Consent takes all of the fun out of it.

That's pretty fucked up. Are you into rape too?

It would be very creepy otherwise.

Creepy and - to me - totally pointless.

Consent takes all of the fun out of it.

Meh. Every thug can hurt people who don't consent.
Having consent and getting it just right, now there's a form of art.

Creepy and - to me - totally pointless.

It's the same for me...I wouldn't want to be hurt by someone who wasn't actually a sadist. A big part of the turn on for me is knowing that the other person is getting off on my pain. My CONSENSUAL pain, for some of the freaks here.

That's pretty fucked up. Are you into rape too?
All girls are asking for it. Always. If you can't see the sarcasm in this statement you are blind.

All girls are asking for it. Always. If you can't see the sarcasm in this statement you are blind.

You give posters on NSG entirely too much credit. There are some who would say the above and absolutely mean it. I've stopped assuming everyone is sane.

So you are lying about consent?

You give posters on NSG entirely too much credit. There are some who would say the above and absolutely mean it. I've stopped assuming everyone is sane.

So you are lying about consent?

I think he's just trolling.
You hear things like that a lot from folks who can't get a shag, even for money...

Meh. Every thug can hurt people who don't consent.
Having consent and getting it just right, now there's a form of art.
You obviously aren't familiar with the finer points of torture. The more subtle forms can be quite effective at extracting sensative information and manipulating someone's mind. Controlling them. Making them do things. Say things. Think a certain way. A slave to your will.

You obviously aren't familiar with the finer points of torture. The more subtle forms can be quite effective at extracting sensative information and manipulating someone's mind. Controlling them. Making them do things. Say things. Think a certain way. A slave to your will.

Wow.... that sounds just so totally boring.

You obviously aren't familiar with the finer points of torture. The more subtle forms can be quite effective at extracting sensative information and manipulating someone's mind. Controlling them. Making them do things. Say things. Think a certain way. A slave to your will.

Ah, so you are into rape.

All the above can be done without removing consent. You obviously aren't familiar with much.

So you are lying about consent?
Some people need to be punished.

Inflicting pain on others brings me great pleasure.That explains your political viewpoint. ;)

Some people need to be punished.

You're punishing us with your profound idiocy. I don't consent.

No.

Common misconception. You can mix pain and pleasure...the pain will tend to be reduced and bearable because of the pleasure, and it can heighten said pleasure. But what I enjoy is pain. Not pain mixed with pleasure. Oh don't get me wrong...pleasure is find, pain and pleasure mixed is better...but what really turns my crank in extreme ways is actual pain. Nor is 'enjoyment' perhaps the best way to describe how a masochist experiences pain. Nor is saying 'pain is pleasurable' to a masochist accurate.

It's an entirely different kind of sensation than pleasure, and it puts you into an entirely different headspace.

Because you're the only one who enjoys pain, clearly.

my pleasuers tend to be moer ceribral then visceral.

anything that distracts or keeps me from them is painful.

there are some kinds of pain of course, applied in very exact and specific ways, that can and do, contribute to certain kinds of pleasure, but that is a very rare and specific exception.

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Because you're the only one who enjoys pain, clearly.

No, because I am someone who enjoys pain, who feels that your characterisation of 'pain as pleasure' is not correct, and fits better with someone who enjoys 'pleasurable pain'.

Pain is no more pleasure than hot is cold. A lot of what I 'enjoy' I absolute hate at the time. Why? Because it fucking hurts.

No, because I am someone who enjoys pain, who feels that your characterisation of 'pain as pleasure' is not correct, and fits better with someone who enjoys 'pleasurable pain'.

Pain is no more pleasure than hot is cold. A lot of what I 'enjoy' I absolute hate at the time. Why? Because it fucking hurts.

What I'm saying is that pleasure and pain are not polar opposites.

Perhaps you and I have a different definition of pleasure: to me, pleasure is something you find pleasurable, something that you enjoy doing.

I enjoy some pain, and while the fact that I enjoy it doesn't make it any less painful, it does make it somwhat pleasurable.

Pain is generally not pleasurable for me, except for some instances in the bedroom, and I would never describe pain as a pleasure outside of a sexual context.

So don't assume that I'm one of those people that is saying "It's not painful if it's pleasurable!!!one1."

What I'm saying is that pleasure and pain are not polar opposites. And if you didn't want to sound as though you were speaking in absolutes, you would say 'not always polar opposites'. That absolute tone is what I was reacting to, not the mind-reading I would have had to engage in to divine your actual intent despite the words you used.

Perhaps you and I have a different definition of pleasure: to me, pleasure is something you find pleasurable, something that you enjoy doing. I suppose I'm using pleasure in the sensational aspect in order to relate it to the sensational meaning of 'pain'. But even still, 'pleasure' used the way you're talking about it doesn't actually fit for many masochists. Because quite often, you don't enjoy doing something painful...you enjoy being able to endure it, you enjoy the rush you get when it's over...the actual pain itself is not pleasurable in any sense of the word.

I enjoy some pain, and while the fact that I enjoy it doesn't make it any less painful, it does make it somwhat pleasurable.

Pain is generally not pleasurable for me, except for some instances in the bedroom, and I would never describe pain as a pleasure outside of a sexual context.

So don't assume that I'm one of those people that is saying "It's not painful if it's pleasurable!!!one1."

Oddly, the sexual context I enjoy pain in the most involves absolutely no sexual gratification for me, but rather the person inflicting the pain. And I do enjoy pain outside of 'the bedroom'. Again, enjoyment in the sense of 'I endured it'.

Ugh, 'enjoy' is also misleading. I think it's more like...running until you feel like your lungs are going to explode, your legs are shaking, and you feel light-headed. Endorphin rush.

*snip, because I'm not even going to bother with this*
I suppose I'm using pleasure in the sensational aspect in order to relate it to the sensational meaning of 'pain'. But even still, 'pleasure' used the way you're talking about it doesn't actually fit for many masochists. Because quite often, you don't enjoy doing something painful...you enjoy being able to endure it, you enjoy the rush you get when it's over...the actual pain itself is not pleasurable in any sense of the word.

Then we're talking about different types of pleasure. And, if you enjoy being able to do it, and you enjoy the rush, the pain experience could be - by my definition - still pleasurable.


Oddly, the sexual context I enjoy pain in the most involves absolutely no sexual gratification for me, but rather the person inflicting the pain. And I do enjoy pain outside of 'the bedroom'. Again, enjoyment in the sense of 'I endured it'.

I personally find that someone else's sexual gratification is gratifying in itself.
I'm not really into pain outside of the bedroom, though. Anyway, I think this just comes to having different ideas about it.

Ugh, 'enjoy' is also misleading. I think it's more like...running until you feel like your lungs are going to explode, your legs are shaking, and you feel light-headed. Endorphin rush.

Which is - again, I think this comes down to you being a definition Nazi, but - enjoyable.

I prefer pleasure but a little pain can spcie things.