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So what do you guys think about smoking weed? Personally I think it is just a fun way to relax and have fun, but lets hear the nationstates opinion.

Apparently the end user downstairs from me is in some kind of church (http://www.thc-ministry.org/)about pot. He's a minister. He invited me to worship tomorrow morning with him and smoke a bowl. Nice.

Probably not that good for you.

I tried it once. Didn't like it. It made my chest burn for awhile. Made me super tired and I didn't like the feeling of not knowing whats going on. I still think it should be legal though.

So what do you guys think about smoking weed? Personally I think it is just a fun way to relax and have fun, but lets hear the nationstates opinion.

I don´t have a problem with it.

Apparently the end user downstairs from me is in some kind of church (http://www.thc-ministry.org/)about pot. He's a minister. He invited me to worship tomorrow morning with him and smoke a bowl. Nice.

Cool, I just smoked a joint with my girl Maria earlier and im going to hit up some purple haze with my buddy Andy on monday. Overall its shaping up to be a pretty damn good week...

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

Yeah, right. Thats why im smarter than 99% of my classmates... (literally)

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

Everyone is different, although I do agree with that based on my own stupid childhood ... anyway, don't do it anymore, but think its ok for those that wish too, as long as your still a functional human being

The gateway theory has been thoroughly discredited for a long time. It was government propaganda from the very beginning.

As for people who smoke pot being dumber that's absolute rubbish too. I know a lot of people who toke up with IQs over 130. Sure they may take a bit longer to think things through, but I've always found thinking things through to be much better than making snap judgements.

Most research into marijuana use says that it should be legalised, although regulated in much the same way as alcohol.

The gateway theory has been thoroughly discredited for a long time. It was government propaganda from the very beginning.

As for people who smoke pot being dumber that's absolute rubbish too. I know a lot of people who toke up with IQs over 130. Sure they may take a bit longer to think things through, but I've always found thinking things through to be much better than making snap judgements.

Most research into marijuana use says that it should be legalised, although regulated in much the same way as alcohol.

But it's not "spending a minute to think about it and then another minute to consider it some more", it's "spending two minutes to think about it". They really are noticeably slower! It's impossible to miss!

As for the "gateway theory" being incorrect - how do you explain that the group of people who smoke weed largely overlaps the group of people who take other drugs?

Smoking marijuana is stupid for the following reasons.

1. It is illeagal.
2. You will go to jail if caught.
3. It wastes you money, time and life.
4. It is going to hurt you in the longrun, and you will regret it.
5. It shouldn't be legal. Future generation will think it would be OK to smoke it, and screwing up their lives wouldn't be fair.
6. What good does it do?

personally i think it stinks.

the smell of stale marijuana smoke is revolting.

These topics appear weekly with the same results. 90% of us say to legalize it, and most of that 90% arent even users. The remaining 10% get pissy and moralistic, make a bunch of false claims that are refuted, and then claim how NSG is filled with pot heads.


Mark my words thats how this will go.

Smoking marijuana is stupid for the following reasons.

1. It is illeagal.
2. You will go to jail if caught.
3. It wastes you money, time and life.
4. It is going to hurt you in the longrun, and you will regret it.
5. It shouldn't be legal. Future generation will think it would be OK to smoke it, and screwing up their lives wouldn't be fair.
6. What good does it do?

Wow. It started before I even called it.

Ok.

1. As was blacks being allowed to be vote and own property. Should that have remained so?

2. So was helping a run away slave.

3. Who are you to dictate what someone else does with their time, money, and life. Its their time, money, and life.

4. Proof.

5. They can make up their own mind. Pot aint that bad. There are plenty of legal things they could be doing that are legal and more harmful/idiotic.

6. What good does anything recreational do?

As for the "gateway theory" being incorrect - how do you explain that the group of people who smoke weed largely overlaps the group of people who take other drugs?

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5490
http://www.rand.org/news/press.02/gateway.html

"While the gateway theory has enjoyed popular acceptance, scientists have always had their doubts," said lead researcher Andrew Morral, associate director of RAND's Public Safety and Justice unit. "Our study shows that these doubts are justified."


Its not as black and white as you think. Heres a hint. Just because propaganda is called a "Truth" ad, doesnt mean it is the truth.

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.


Ever heard of Carl Sagan?

So what do you guys think about smoking weed? Personally I think it is just a fun way to relax and have fun, but lets hear the nationstates opinion.

I'm with you: Smoke that shit up!

But for more seriousness: My life has been vastly enriched since I started consuming cannabis. I'm more contemplative, accepting, aware of myself and my own limitations, and of the potential of others. Not to mention that I've had some awesome times.

My dad and I both smoke, and I'm guilty of toking up and then going to class. Microbiology needs something to make it interesting.

And for those who say that marijuana makes you stupid, I maintain a 4.0 GPA and my dad has an honours degree in molecular biology and organic chemistry from Vanderbilt University. People make the choice to be stupid about it and it makes all us pot-loving smarties look bad. People see the lowest common denominator and assume that's how everyone is.

In regards to it being a 'gateway drug', I know my dad has tried several other drugs but wasn't very interested in them, and I do schrooms maybe once or twice a year because it's awesome doing shrooms and then watching Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'll never grow bored of that.

My dad and I both smoke, and I'm guilty of toking up and then going to class. Microbiology needs something to make it interesting.

And for those who say that marijuana makes you stupid, I maintain a 4.0 GPA and my dad has an honours degree in molecular biology and organic chemistry from Vanderbilt University. People make the choice to be stupid about it and it makes all us pot-loving smarties look bad. People see the lowest common denominator and assume that's how everyone is.

In regards to it being a 'gateway drug', I know my dad has tried several other drugs but wasn't very interested in them, and I do schrooms maybe once or twice a year because it's awesome doing shrooms and then watching Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'll never grow bored of that.

Really? Man ive been wanting to try shrooms for a while and that sounds like it would just give me a bad trip...

My dad and I both smoke, and I'm guilty of toking up and then going to class. Microbiology needs something to make it interesting.

And for those who say that marijuana makes you stupid, I maintain a 4.0 GPA and my dad has an honours degree in molecular biology and organic chemistry from Vanderbilt University. People make the choice to be stupid about it and it makes all us pot-loving smarties look bad. People see the lowest common denominator and assume that's how everyone is.

In regards to it being a 'gateway drug', I know my dad has tried several other drugs but wasn't very interested in them, and I do schrooms maybe once or twice a year because it's awesome doing shrooms and then watching Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'll never grow bored of that.



Lies. Nothing could ever making the Rocky Horror Picture Show anything less then the abomination it is.

It's disgusting, but the "war on drugs" does far more harm than marijuana can.

I hate it's smell.

Ever heard of Carl Sagan?


Oh man I love his stuff.


As for pot.. I smoked it for years and haven't in years.. plan to again one day.. hope to grow my own. I love the smell of it.. when I happen to be driving down the road and pass by some thick woods and smell the distant (or hours passed) smell of a skunks spray .. i take a big whiff ... ahh. :p

... are much more erratic than when I'm straight. :)

And, might I add, my stance on pot is Squatting.

I used to smoke a lot, I rarely smoke now.

I support people smoking pot in the same way I support people speeding now and again, or jaywalking or any minor infraction against the law.

I support a healthy disregard of the minutiae of the law over personal choice.

Speeding may be taken the wrong way, while I am utterly for responsible driving, I don't hold speeding as the cause of accidents, if anything I'd say it's a mixture of carelessness [including driving under any influence] and/or indecision.

Does anyone really disagree with people going to speakeasys during the prohibition - one might point to the rise of organised crime but that speaks to the law itself, not people's personal choice.

I really sit on the fence on this one.
I used to smoke pot and do so in a manner that did not interfere with my life.

However watching someone totally ruin their life on pot failing out of school and all i can see how its use can be a problem.

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.
Oh yeah! Anecdotal evidence! All the potheads I know are teachers, professors, scientests, and generally smart cats. So now I guess we should all smoke pot...or you need to run with a smarter crowd. Look, before you do what I just did and we bounce back and forth on subjective stuff neither of us can verify, lets just acknowledge that every group has its morons and its shining examples. For every 'Specoli' there's a Carl Sagan. The people you know are not a functional sample group.
Really? Man ive been wanting to try shrooms for a while and that sounds like it would just give me a bad trip...

Soooo awesome. In limited doses for me, like once or twice a year. I couldn't handle more than that much awesome. I haven't since college like three years ago, but plan to when the occasion is right

I usually have a pretty authoritarian set of political views, but Marijuana is one of the few things that aren't among them. To me I see it as no worse than alcohol.

It should be legalized, taxed, and sold similar to alcohol. Age limit [I say 18, but I also feel the legal drinking age should be 18] and regulations on how and when it s use should be allowed.

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

I disagree. I am friends with a few stoners and they don't do anything other than weed. It seems to me that it matters more who your friends are that you do the drugs with. Marijuana is only involved because that's what they were doing while hanging out. My mom's own struggle with drugs supports this.

I think we need to differ between pot heads and causal users. pot heads seem to use pot multiple times a day and are by and large stupid.

someone that sometimes uses pot however i have seen able to match wits with anyone.

I personally have smoked it a couple of times and don't really see what all the fuss is about -- honestly, I'd rather drink because I get more of a buzz out of it. That said, I'm all for letting people enjoy a basically harmless drug.

Another non-smoker here. My thoughts on it?

Go ahead and legalize marijuana, and then.... get the blasted tax revenues off of it.

Another non-smoker of weed said that marijuana 'stinks'.... hmmm the only time I had the smell identified as 'weed', yeah, it did sorta smell like Purple passion-flower (bleech) but, does REGULAR tabbaco stinks worse and that has been tweaked with to make it MORE additive than the dratted coffin nails USED to be over 50 years ago.

Marijuana plants/hemp have MORE than one use. (hmmm, lets see, paper making, fabric/ textiles, rope, varied medical uses (eyes, chemo aftermath treatments, nausea, etc), a lot more enviromentally reusable than harvesting pine trees for paper mills.) Hemp fabric is tougher than cotton fabric. Its like a good true linen, the more you wear it, the softer and nicer it gets....

Alcohol is legal. Regular ciggeretes are legal. The tweaterings that smoking a joint is harmful, ala 1950's propaganda films is BS. And bad BS at that.

Another non-smoker here. My thoughts on it?

Go ahead and legalize marijuana, and then.... get the blasted tax revenues off of it.

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Prohibition is pretty much the opposite. Spend large amounts of money catching and incarcerating producers, traffickers, distributors and dealers ... driving up the price ... and defining anyone in the business as a criminal, thus denying them the protection of the law from violent criminals. It's a recipe for creating crime, and violent well-funded crime at that.

Seizure of property hardly scratches how much money government is wasting in criminalizing the trade in drugs. It's insane.

Another non-smoker of weed said that marijuana 'stinks'.... hmmm the only time I had the smell identified as 'weed', yeah, it did sorta smell like Purple passion-flower (bleech) but, does REGULAR tabbaco stinks worse and that has been tweaked with to make it MORE additive than the dratted coffin nails USED to be over 50 years ago.

They both stink. I enjoy the smell, because I do a bit of both, but let's not pretend it is the scent of roses. It is smoke, as such it's somewhat harmful in any quantity. Of course the smoke stinks. No-one should have to breathe a noticable amount of smoke without their consent.

Marijuana plants/hemp have MORE than one use. (hmmm, lets see, paper making, fabric/ textiles, rope, varied medical uses (eyes, chemo aftermath treatments, nausea, etc), a lot more enviromentally reusable than harvesting pine trees for paper mills.) Hemp fabric is tougher than cotton fabric. Its like a good true linen, the more you wear it, the softer and nicer it gets....

Yay!

I've never tried it and in all likelihood never will, but I have no problem with it and support legalizing it. I don't even have the gut repulsion towards it that I have towards alcohol... I'm not sure why.

I'm pretty sure that legalizaton is not an option.. Had this argument once before. According to his source (which i never verified) some meeting of the international community laid out which drugs should be outlawed. Pot wasn't going to be on the list till one of the iddle eastern nations said to add it.

Ever since, it has become impossible for certain Governments to legalize the herb due to international treaties however, they can decriminalize it. The difference between the two stances is that you cant take taxes on a decriminiazed substance.

I have no idea how accurate the above is as I have never been able to verify the guys sources but I keep trying :P Feel free to ignore the above until i can either prove/disprove it.

I've never tried it and in all likelihood never will, but I have no problem with it and support legalizing it. I don't even have the gut repulsion towards it that I have towards alcohol... I'm not sure why.

Wow.. I seriously thought you smoked. I was soooo wrong.

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

It does have a slowing affect but it occurs when a person is heavily intoxicated. I've never noticed any issues when sober. I know plenty of people who smoke who couldn't be considered 'slow'. Being high is different - kind of a no-brainer unless the weed is total crap.

As for being a gateway drug, I call bullshit.

There are plenty of other legal drugs that can be gateway drugs, especially coffee, alcohol, tobacco... or any number of legal prescription drugs, (Oxycontin (http://www.camh.net/About_Addiction_Mental_Health/Drug_and_Addiction_Information/oxycontin_straight_talk.html), Ritalin (I've used Ritalin to get high before; acts like a very mild form of Crystal Meth)).

I'm totally for the legalisation. :)

I've no problem with other people smoking it in a private or permitted public place, and I feel that it should certainly be legal, but I'm not sold that it's as harmless as some have claimed. From personal experience, I know people whose regular and routine consumption has seemingly had a significant impact on their personality, and I know people who aggressively push it one people who wish to refrain from consuming it. I'm not convinced that it is harmless.

Really? Man ive been wanting to try shrooms for a while and that sounds like it would just give me a bad trip...

You just have to be calm about it. If you panic and think you'll get a bad trip, you will. If you're just chill and realise that in a little while, the laws of time and space will be delightfully distorted, you'll be absolutely fine and you'll have the time of your life.

I'm not convinced that it is harmless.
And only a fool would argue that it was harmless. It can be harmful, as can many different substances, both legal and illegal. The point being that potentiality for harm isn't a criteria for criminalisation of many, many, substances, and it shouldn't be one for cannabis.

And only a fool would argue that it was harmless. It can be harmful, as can many different substances, both legal and illegal. The point being that potentiality for harm isn't a criteria for criminalisation of many, many, substances, and it shouldn't be one for cannabis.

In which I fully agree with you.

It's the vehement and downright angry responses I have received in the past to having stated this opinion IRL and on NSG. Some people seem to view it as an attack on themselves, because of how central pot has become in their lives.

And only a fool would argue that it was harmless.

Well color me a fool then, before i decide pot is harmful in any way shape or form i need to see studies on health effects from vaporizing marijuanna. Vaporizing is the only way i smoke now and your simply inhaling cool THC laden mist with as far as i know almost none of the toxins associated with the toxic process of combustion.

I have no idea how accurate the above is as I have never been able to verify the guys sources but I keep trying :P Feel free to ignore the above until i can either prove/disprove it.

I think I can tell you how accurate it is just by how it was laid out...


Its complete and utter bullshit.

It's the vehement and downright angry responses I have received in the past to having stated this opinion IRL and on NSG. Some people seem to view it as an attack on themselves, because of how central pot has become in their lives.
I believe it's because of the mistaken approach of campaigning for the legalisation of cannabis through arguing for it as a harmless substance; many pro-cannabis folks think they can't defend a substance that has the potential to harm.

Forgetting of course, that substances such as cheese and water have the potentiality to harm.

Well color me a fool then, before i decide pot is harmful in any way shape or form i need to see studies on health effects from vaporizing marijuanna. Vaporizing is the only way i smoke now and your simply inhaling cool THC laden mist with as far as i know almost none of the toxins associated with the toxic process of combustion.
I doubt vaporising cannabis is particularly harmful, but I was more meaning the effects cannabis can have on those who already suffer from psychosis and other mental problems.

Just as I wouldn't give a cake to a morbidly obese person, I wouldn't give a joint to someone with a fragile state of mind. However, just as I wouldn't make cakes illegal because they have the potential to harm, I see no reason to continue the criminalisation of cannabis because it has the potential to harm certain people.

for me, i have had a close relationship with three ,somewhat, chronic pot smokers. One who has smoked since highschool and is now in her forties, another in his forties who has smoked it for about 5 years, and the third only now in high school and has smokes it for about 4 years.
true is it coincidental, anecdotal, unsound evidence and false logic but all three are highly mentally incapacitated-capable of stating words of ideas and completely incapable of any sort of correspondence between ulterior ideas or events.
the one who has smoked it for most of her life is on the verge of cretinism, as much as this can be attributed to pot i cannot say accurately, the one in highschool bemoans to me her intentions of dropping out, and how she wants to live in the gulf islands(local geography) at the expense of her upper middle class father.(no i am assuredly not a materialist nor a utilitarian but education is integral to a humanisticly wealthy life)

Just as most drunks ive known have been violent
most pot heads have been stupid

this is as far as my reflection and experience on the subject has gone, and as such has formed my opinion-i agree it is not sound enough for me set forth an argument in opposition to its use. But i certainly will not go near the stuff

Smoking marijuana is stupid for the following reasons.

1. It is illeagal.
2. You will go to jail if caught.
3. It wastes you money, time and life.
4. It is going to hurt you in the longrun, and you will regret it.
5. It shouldn't be legal. Future generation will think it would be OK to smoke it, and screwing up their lives wouldn't be fair.
6. What good does it do?

Drinking alcohol is stupid for the following reasons.
1. You will go to jail if caught driving under the influence or for public drunkenes.
3. It wastes you money, time and life.
4. It is going to hurt you in the longrun, and you will regret it.
5. It shouldn't be legal. Future generation will think it would be OK to drink it, and screwing up their lives wouldn't be fair.
6. What good does it do?
:rolleyes:
Pass the bottle please Bubba. I need another swig.

Meh.

I doubt vaporising cannabis is particularly harmful, but I was more meaning the effects cannabis can have on those who already suffer from psychosis and other mental problems.

No one has yet provided adequate proof (IMNSHO) that there is actually causation in these cases as opposed to mere correlation.

No one has yet provided adequate proof (IMNSHO) that there is actually causation in these cases as opposed to mere correlation.
I'm certainly not claiming that cannabis can cause psychosis or other mental problems in someone with a healthy mind (and I believe you're correct that there are no studies showing any link) but cannabis use by those who already have mental problems, as with any psychoactive drug, can lead to mental problems 'flaring up'.

I don't have them to hand, but I believe there are studies to that effect. Unfortunately, the studies usually get portrayed as "Cannabis causes madness", rather than the more straightforward "Psychoactive drugs can badly affect the mind".

My life has been vastly enriched since I started consuming cannabis. I'm more contemplative, accepting, aware of myself and my own limitations, and of the potential of others.

Exactly what my buddy and I were talking about last night. Pot, for me, is so much more than a cheap high. It really has changed the way I view myself and others for the better -- it forces me to view the world without rose-tinted glasses or through a veil of cynicism, and see things for what they really are. It makes me think deeper about issues and various subjects. I carry the things I learn from my experiences to my life in general.

These topics appear weekly with the same results. 90% of us say to legalize it, and most of that 90% arent even users. The remaining 10% get pissy and moralistic, make a bunch of false claims that are refuted, and then claim how NSG is filled with pot heads.


Mark my words thats how this will go.

Seconded. Which brings me nicely to my opinion on marijuana. It sucks because it causes the above.

I'm a bit stymied by the poll, since my attitude towards smoking pot is very much akin to my attitude towards smoking cigarettes. I don't like it, I wouldn't do it, I would probably think somewhat less of friends or acquaintances if they did it, and I'd kick their asses if they were rude about it and forced me to inhale their noxious fumes - but I see no good reason for it to be against the law. Does that mean "it's okay" or "I oppose it"?

I used to support smoking, but not do it myself. Now I'm a dirty pothead and therefore I have to kill baby kittens to fund my habit. </sarcasm>

So what do you guys think about smoking weed? Personally I think it is just a fun way to relax and have fun, but lets hear the nationstates opinion.

Personally, I've never tried it, but I don't think it should be illegal to do so...

I'm a bit stymied by the poll, since my attitude towards smoking pot is very much akin to my attitude towards smoking cigarettes. I don't like it, I wouldn't do it, I would probably think somewhat less of friends or acquaintances if they did it, and I'd kick their asses if they were rude about it and forced me to inhale their noxious fumes - but I see no good reason for it to be against the law. Does that mean "it's okay" or "I oppose it"?

^ I'm with this person.

I've tried the whole moralistic thing, and I've looked at a lot of studies...and I'm with this poster. Skunk, by the sounds of it, is nasty stuff, but then, that's not been around for long (or at least, according to the news it hasn't), so I daresay we're yet to see the long-term effects.

I personally oppose, but whoever wants to smoke it,well, it's their life they're ruining not mine.

^ I'm with this person.

I've tried the whole moralistic thing, and I've looked at a lot of studies...and I'm with this poster. Skunk, by the sounds of it, is nasty stuff, but then, that's not been around for long (or at least, according to the news it hasn't), so I daresay we're yet to see the long-term effects.


Uh, its actually been in heavy usage since the mid to late sixties. Thats over 40 years ago. Plus people have been smoking it since ancient times... so youve actually been grossly misinformed.

I have something of a grey opinion on weed so I didn't vote.

I think it should be fully legalized as a doctor prescribed drug (It's probably one of the most effective anti-depressents ever), but I don't think it should be available to the public because some idiot is going to smoke himself death, just like all the idiots currently smoking themselves to death.

I have something of a grey opinion on weed so I didn't vote.

I think it should be fully legalized as a doctor prescribed drug (It's probably one of the most effective anti-depressents ever), but I don't think it should be available to the public because some idiot is going to smoke himself death, just like all the idiots currently smoking themselves to death.

Uh-huh. Lets look at some statistics here.

Tobacco: 438,000 deaths per year (and thats just in the US. Worldwide its millions)

Alcohol: Thousands upon thousands of deaths every year. Some from overdosing and some from drunk driving and/or other alcohol related accidents.

Marijuana: 0 deaths. Ever. It is virtually impossible to overdose on marijuana, and when a death does occur by accident the person is almost always found to have other drugs such as alcohol and prescription drugs in their system.

I don't do it, but don't oppose it. Just don't toke and drive, just like drinking and driving it's bad. Duh. As long as you can keep your life together while you do it, I see less of a problem with it than cigs or alcohol... but that just may be because it's still illegal.. (not getting into that atm) But also the medical benefits alone give me reason to say at least make it RX.

Uh, its actually been in heavy usage since the mid to late sixties. Thats over 40 years ago. Plus people have been smoking it since ancient times... so youve actually been grossly misinformed.

By "skunk," I'm pretty sure he's talking about a uniquely European (possibly even uniquely English) phenomenon. Supposedly, there's a type of super-powered weed called "skunk" that is especially dangerous and harmful. Personally, I don't put any faith in the hype--I think they're just talking about some good buds.


EDIT: Upon some brief glancing, it appears skunk is just a specific strain of marijuana--a potent one, but not (as far as I can tell) anything special.

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.

There's a difference between a "pothead" (ie. someone who is mentally addicted to pot) and someone who smokes pot occasionally. Also, there are plenty of idiots out there: your mental ability isn't soley determined by your drug use.

[QUOTE]Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

Incorrect.

Smoking marijuana is stupid for the following reasons.

1. It is illeagal.
2. You will go to jail if caught.
3. It wastes you money, time and life.
4. It is going to hurt you in the longrun, and you will regret it.
5. It shouldn't be legal. Future generation will think it would be OK to smoke it, and screwing up their lives wouldn't be fair.
6. What good does it do?

1. It's illeagal? Is that anything like being illegal?
2. So?
3. Nintendos waste money and time. Should they be illegal?
4. You'll regret those donuts too.
5. Smoking marijuana doesn't mean you're going to "screw up your life".
6. What good does drinking do? What good does anything do? What does it matter?

My dad and I both smoke, and I'm guilty of toking up and then going to class. Microbiology needs something to make it interesting.

Why bother going to class high?

And for those who say that marijuana makes you stupid, I maintain a 4.0 GPA and my dad has an honours degree in molecular biology and organic chemistry from Vanderbilt University. People make the choice to be stupid about it and it makes all us pot-loving smarties look bad. People see the lowest common denominator and assume that's how everyone is.

GPA 4 isn't very good, but I suppose Microbiology would be hard. I smoke pot regularly and my GPA is between 5 and 6 (I'm waiting for this semester's results, but I think it's 5.7 or something at the moment.)

In regards to it being a 'gateway drug', I know my dad has tried several other drugs but wasn't very interested in them, and I do schrooms maybe once or twice a year because it's awesome doing shrooms and then watching Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'll never grow bored of that.

I agree that it's not a gateway drug. I don't really do any other drugs.

I really sit on the fence on this one.
I used to smoke pot and do so in a manner that did not interfere with my life.

However watching someone totally ruin their life on pot failing out of school and all i can see how its use can be a problem.

If someone lets pot ruin their life, it's their fault, not pot's fault. It's not chemically addictive.

I think we need to differ between pot heads and causal users. pot heads seem to use pot multiple times a day and are by and large stupid.

someone that sometimes uses pot however i have seen able to match wits with anyone.

I agree that we need to differenciate between addicts and casual users - afterall, we don't call everyone who enjoys a glass of wine an 'alcoholic'.

I personally have smoked it a couple of times and don't really see what all the fuss is about -- honestly, I'd rather drink because I get more of a buzz out of it. That said, I'm all for letting people enjoy a basically harmless drug.

I think that's fair enough. I prefer pot to drinking normally, I find I sometimes feel *down* when I drink.

And only a fool would argue that it was harmless. *snip*.

I agree.

Uh-huh. Lets look at some statistics here.

Tobacco: 438,000 deaths per year (and thats just in the US. Worldwide its millions)

Alcohol: Thousands upon thousands of deaths every year. Some from overdosing and some from drunk driving and/or other alcohol related accidents.

Marijuana: 0 deaths. Ever. It is virtually impossible to overdose on marijuana, and when a death does occur by accident the person is almost always found to have other drugs such as alcohol and prescription drugs in their system.

These stats aren't fair: you're comparing stats about drunk driving and liver disease and everything caused by alcohol, and stats about everything caused by cigarettes including lung cancer to stats about OVERDOSING on marijuana. These stats don't line up. I'm sure people have died driving stoned. And I think those who've mixed pot with other drugs should be counted in the stats, considering you're including those who die from lung cancer and such.

I don't do it, but don't oppose it. Just don't toke and drive, just like drinking and driving it's bad. Duh. As long as you can keep your life together while you do it, I see less of a problem with it than cigs or alcohol... but that just may be because it's still illegal.. (not getting into that atm) But also the medical benefits alone give me reason to say at least make it RX.

Agreed.

GPA 4 isn't very good, but I suppose Microbiology would be hard. I smoke pot regularly and my GPA is between 5 and 6 (I'm waiting for this semester's results, but I think it's 5.7 or something at the moment.)

I guess your school calculates GPAs differently. Most schools (at least all the ones I've seen in the US) consider a 4.0 to be the highest GPA possible, with an A earning you 4 points. Thus, a 4.0 means he has gotten all A's in his classes (90%/92% or higher, depending on the school).

I support it, I smoke it, I grow it, and I like it very very much...

Skunk is great, but White Widow is arguably one of the best strains...The best I have ever enjoyed was NYC Deisel crossed with Willy Nelson...WOW

Now that I think of it, I am going to smoke some right this moment:p

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

In Penny Lane there is a barber showing photographs
Of every head he's had the pleasure to have known,
And all the people that come and go
Stop and say hello.

On the corner is a banker with a motorcar,
The little children laugh at him behind his back.
And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange.

Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes.
There beneath the blue suburban skies
I sit, and meanwhile back

In penny Lane there is a fireman with an hourglass
And in his pocket is a portrait of the Queen.
He likes to keep his fire engine clean,
It's a clean machine.

Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes.
A four of fish and finger pies
In summer, meanwhile back

Behind the shelter in the middle of the roundabout
A pretty nurse is selling poppies from a tray
And though she feels as if she's in a play
She is anyway.

In Penny Lane the barber shaves another customer,
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim.
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange.

Penny lane is in my ears and in my eyes.
There beneath the blue suburban skies
I sit, and meanwhile back.
Penny lane is in my ears and in my eyes.
There beneath the blue suburban skies,
Penny Lane.

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These stats aren't fair: you're comparing stats about drunk driving and liver disease and everything caused by alcohol, and stats about everything caused by cigarettes including lung cancer to stats about OVERDOSING on marijuana. These stats don't line up. I'm sure people have died driving stoned. And I think those who've mixed pot with other drugs should be counted in the stats, considering you're including those who die from lung cancer and such.
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I will acknowledge that people have probably died while driving stoned. However it must be a fairly small number when compared to drunk driving cases. Stoned drivers tend to drive much slower and cautiously, while drunk drivers are known to be aggresive and dangerous. In addition, pot has not been proven to cause lung cancer. In fact, to the contrary. THC kills off old cells that it comes in contact with, therefore lowering the occurence of cancer. (Or possibly just fending it off due to the fact that there are a large number of carcinogens in marijuana smoke). Additionally, marijuana is a great painkiller, anti-depressant, appetite stimulant, and it can quite possibly fend off Alzheimers (although it does cause short term memory loss while it is in your system).

Edit: Not sure why the quote didnt work...

I support it, I smoke it, I grow it, and I like it very very much...

Skunk is great, but White Widow is arguably one of the best strains...The best I have ever enjoyed was NYC Deisel crossed with Willy Nelson...WOW

Now that I think of it, I am going to smoke some right this moment:p

Willy Nelson? As in the weed that was on a high times top 10 list?! Where does one obtain this?

Best ive ever smoked was supposedly "purple haze". Although I dont believe this is an actual strain of marijuana, its mainly just a term for weed that has some purple coloration to it.

I guess your school calculates GPAs differently. Most schools (at least all the ones I've seen in the US) consider a 4.0 to be the highest GPA possible, with an A earning you 4 points. Thus, a 4.0 means he has gotten all A's in his classes (90%/92% or higher, depending on the school).

You can get a higher GPA then a 4.0 involves taking advanced placement classes. For someone who's not taking AP classes then yes 4.0 is the absolute best you can get.

okay, once again the low lives see the need to affirm the NS crew's love of weed, or how much they support it, to show everyone in NS that there is an 80% pro-marijuana lobby, again and again and again

what, are you trying to compete with McDonalds on how much you have to wave your stuff in front of people and force it into their memory so they can never forget about it?

Overgrow the Government
Vote for the Marijuana Party

Willy Nelson? Where does one obtain this?


On the road.again

Voted "I oppose it".

I'll let these guys give the argument for us reasonable people:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3025396475247394113

personally i think it stinks.

the smell of stale marijuana smoke is revolting.

Good God, you've no idea. I lived next door to a couple of guys who seemed to think the reason for being alive was to smoke more pot, and I woke up every morning, and went to bed every night with that scent seeping through the vents.

Let's just say that this situation was the very moment that determined that I will never have any interest in smoking it, ever. Hell, I haven't smoked anything since that experience.

I will acknowledge that people have probably died while driving stoned. However it must be a fairly small number when compared to drunk driving cases. Stoned drivers tend to drive much slower and cautiously, while drunk drivers are known to be aggresive and dangerous. In addition, pot has not been proven to cause lung cancer. In fact, to the contrary. THC kills off old cells that it comes in contact with, therefore lowering the occurence of cancer. (Or possibly just fending it off due to the fact that there are a large number of carcinogens in marijuana smoke). Additionally, marijuana is a great painkiller, anti-depressant, appetite stimulant, and it can quite possibly fend off Alzheimers (although it does cause short term memory loss while it is in your system).

Edit: Not sure why the quote didnt work...

As it stands, I do not need any appetite stimulation, whatsoever.

Your logic as to THC killing off cells is made of fail, cancer is not something caused by old cells, it is caused by cell mutations and runaway exponential growth.

Further, the cannabinoids that do have positive effects in relation to Alzheimers are amongst the least potent chemicals in marijuana, and their positive effects are counteracted by THC killing off "old cells". The distilled cannabinoids offer a significant degree of promise in slowing the decline of a mind afflicted by Alzheimers, but they must be introduced in a very controlled method, not all willy-nilly.

Further, your experience with toked drivers and drunk drivers is clearly screwed all to hell.

As it stands, I do not need any appetite stimulation, whatsoever.

Your logic as to THC killing off cells is made of fail, cancer is not something caused by old cells, it is caused by cell mutations and runaway exponential growth.

Further, the cannabinoids that do have positive effects in relation to Alzheimers are amongst the least potent chemicals in marijuana, and their positive effects are counteracted by THC killing off "old cells". The distilled cannabinoids offer a significant degree of promise in slowing the decline of a mind afflicted by Alzheimers, but they must be introduced in a very controlled method, not all willy-nilly.

Further, your experience with toked drivers and drunk drivers is clearly screwed all to hell.

Try this (http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450) for info on marijuana and driving. Scroll down a bit to get summaries of various studies on the subject, as well the names of (and occasionally links to) those studies.

Basically, Marijuana does impair driving. No doubt. But it's effects appear to be so small as to be nearly negligible, especially when compared to alcohol.

You can get a higher GPA then a 4.0 involves taking advanced placement classes. For someone who's not taking AP classes then yes 4.0 is the absolute best you can get.

There are no AP classes in university unless there's some sort of alternate universe university that I haven't heard about.

There are no AP classes in university unless there's some sort of alternate universe university that I haven't heard about.

In the past two nights I've had about 7 to 8 hours of sleep (in TOTAL not each night). I just assumed for some reason that the classes in question were high school classes (pun unintended for once).

okay, once again the low lives see the need to affirm the NS crew's love of weed, or how much they support it, to show everyone in NS that there is an 80% pro-marijuana lobby, again and again and again


Awesome. You were exactly who I had in mind when I wrote this:

These topics appear weekly with the same results. 90% of us say to legalize it, and most of that 90% arent even users. The remaining 10% get pissy and moralistic, make a bunch of false claims that are refuted, and then claim how NSG is filled with pot heads.


Mark my words thats how this will go.


Do you hate pot because its some jewish conspirecy or something by any chance?

In the past two nights I've had about 7 to 8 hours of sleep (in TOTAL not each night). I just assumed for some reason that the classes in question were high school classes (pun unintended for once).

Nope, I'm a junior in nursing school after double majoring in history and Japanese for far too long.

what, are you trying to compete with McDonalds on how much you have to wave your stuff in front of people and force it into their memory so they can never forget about it?
People debating issues on NS:G!?!?

The travesty!!!

I will acknowledge that people have probably died while driving stoned. However it must be a fairly small number when compared to drunk driving cases. Stoned drivers tend to drive much slower and cautiously, while drunk drivers are known to be aggresive and dangerous. In addition, pot has not been proven to cause lung cancer. In fact, to the contrary. THC kills off old cells that it comes in contact with, therefore lowering the occurence of cancer. (Or possibly just fending it off due to the fact that there are a large number of carcinogens in marijuana smoke). Additionally, marijuana is a great painkiller, anti-depressant, appetite stimulant, and it can quite possibly fend off Alzheimers (although it does cause short term memory loss while it is in your system).

Edit: Not sure why the quote didnt work...

No. Just, no.

Pot isn't good for you. Alcohol isn't good for you. Cigarettes aren't good for you.

But I still make the informed decision to smoke pot.

while a VERY small percentage of the people i have known who use it, have gone over the brainbow from overdoing it, this is a much smaller percentage then for most anything else. certainly a much smaller one then for alcohaul.

its also less hard physically addicting then tobacco, and while i've never tried tobacco, from what people who are tobacco addicts seem to say as their consensus, it's at least a little more gratifying.

so all in all, i'm firmly convinced that MAIN reason it was made, and has since been kept, unlawful, is to keep forcing idiots to buy alcohaul and tobacco, or support organized crime.

=^^=
.../\...

I'm pretty sure that legalizaton is not an option.. Had this argument once before. According to his source (which i never verified) some meeting of the international community laid out which drugs should be outlawed. Pot wasn't going to be on the list till one of the iddle eastern nations said to add it.

Ever since, it has become impossible for certain Governments to legalize the herb due to international treaties however, they can decriminalize it. The difference between the two stances is that you cant take taxes on a decriminiazed substance.

I have no idea how accurate the above is as I have never been able to verify the guys sources but I keep trying :P Feel free to ignore the above until i can either prove/disprove it.

Wiki is my friend
Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs)
Earlier treaties had only controlled opium, coca, and derivatives such as morphine, heroin and cocaine. The Single Convention, adopted in 1961, consolidated those treaties and broadened their scope to include cannabis and drugs whose effects are similar to those of the drugs specified. The Commission on Narcotic Drugs and the World Health Organization were empowered to add, remove, and transfer drugs among the treaty's four Schedules of controlled substances. The International Narcotics Control Board was put in charge of administering controls on drug production, international trade, and dispensation. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) was delegated the Board's day-to-day work of monitoring the situation in each country and working with national authorities to ensure compliance with the Single Convention. This treaty has since been supplemented by the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which controls LSD, Ecstasy, and other psychoactive pharmaceuticals, and the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, which strengthens provisions against money laundering and other drug-related offenses

So what do you guys think about smoking weed? Personally I think it is just a fun way to relax and have fun, but lets hear the nationstates opinion.

It is somewhat addictive and has some bland effects on brain and mind. Anyway, it is a lot less dangerous than alcohol, tobacco, or cocaine.

It is somewhat addictive and has some bland effects on brain and mind. Anyway, it is a lot less dangerous than alcohol, tobacco, or cocaine.

What you sed.

Have smoked it but no longer do, mainly because I think society is a better place if we don't give money to criminals. If it was legalised I probably would indulge occasionally.

while a VERY small percentage of the people i have known who use it, have gone over the brainbow from overdoing it, this is a much smaller percentage then for most anything else. certainly a much smaller one then for alcohaul.


And how do you attribute "going over the brainbow" to marijuanna? How do you know the people you know wernt already going over the brainbow and choose to smoke as a form of self medication? Or that they wouldnt be the exact same way if they never even tried marijuanna. Be careful how you draw conclusions from observation.

I think pot can be a factor in drug induced psychosis. I think that some people are unfortunately pre-disposed to mental illness. It's not necessarily the pot by itself that does it, a traumatic even such as a car crash may have triggered it, but by the same token, if this unfortunate person hadn't over used pot they wouldn't have the psychosis. Just an opinion with no medical data to back it up though, just anecdotal evidence.

Even with that in mind, I say legalise it. Rake in the tax dollars and save all that war on drugs rubbish. I believe that with most of these kind of issues, prostitution, drugs, etc, legalise it. If someone chooses to do something, and they'll do it if it's legal or not, if they are harming no-one else, legalise it, so that they don't end up harming themselves by trying to avoid the law.

I don't particularly care about it either way, but I'm very annoyed with my neighbors because they smoke hella weed and it comes through our shared ventilation system and smokes up my place.

I don't mind the occasional high, but I don't appreciate somebody MAKING me get high when I'm not in the mood for it.

Be careful how you draw conclusions from observation.


Hahahah and what other way is there?

Hahahah and what other way is there?

Thats not quite the way i meant it, simple observation without examining all the elements that led up to the observation is not the best way to draw an accurate conclusion.

Thats not quite the way i meant it, simple observation without examining all the elements that led up to the observation is not the best way to draw an accurate conclusion.

Agreed. And yet I reach the same conclusion, MJ can indeed fuck your mind up.

As a Libertarian I think you should be allowed to do whatever drugs you want, as long as you don't hurt others while doing them. If you infringe upon the rights of another then that's when I have a problem.

As a Libertarian I think you should be allowed to do whatever drugs you want, as long as you don't hurt others while doing them. If you infringe upon the rights of another then that's when I have a problem.

Heh I always get that word mix up with Librarian.

Just what is a Libertarian anyways?

Heh I always get that word mix up with Librarian.

Just what is a Libertarian anyways?

There are many different types of Libertarians ranging from left to right. I guess the most common definition is someone who is fiscally conservative and socially left to a degree. Libertarians generally believe that there should be less government interference, and that they are mainly there as a means of protection. Most Libertarians do not care about what you do sexually, for a living, recreationally, etc. Basically, I should be allowed to do anything I damn well feel like as long as it doesn't harm another person who has the same rights as me. This is the most basic definition I can think of. It reflects my personal views as well.

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

wrong
(http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-say-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html)

wrong (http://www.drugscience.org/sfu/sfu_gateway.html)

Alcohol and cigarettes are more of a gateway drug than Marijuana is.

There are many different types of Libertarians ranging from left to right. I guess the most common definition is someone who is fiscally conservative and socially left to a degree. Libertarians generally believe that there should be less government interference, and that they are mainly there as a means of protection. Most Libertarians do not care about what you do sexually, for a living, recreationally, etc. Basically, I should be allowed to do anything I damn well feel like as long as it doesn't harm another person who has the same rights as me. This is the most basic definition I can think of. It reflects my personal views as well.

Soooooo a libertarian, is a Socialist\Conseratist\Anarchist.

Wow sounds like a misnomer to me. To be liberal means to favour progressive goverment, with an idealogy based on protected individual rights.

What you describe above is more akin to anarchy. Why make up a label when we all ready have a more than adiquate one? (not you personaly, you know I mean 'them')

wrong
(http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-say-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html)

wrong (http://www.drugscience.org/sfu/sfu_gateway.html)

Alcohol and cigarettes are more of a gateway drug than Marijuana is.


Heheh you are sooo wrong you know.

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

Recreational weed-smokers aren't always potheads. Ever thought that its the people who are mentally slower that smoke marijuana and not the marijuana that makes users slower?

Recreational weed-smokers aren't always potheads. Ever thought that its the people who are mentally slower that smoke marijuana and not the marijuana that makes users slower?

Bwahahahhahah!

As a pharmacologist I have seen some research being carried out on marijuana and cannabinoid receptors and the majority of the research shows that marijuana is harmful, mainly as prolonged use causes imbalance of neurotransmitters in your brain, which often leads to a variety of mental illnesses.

I have smoked before but have stopped now due to these discoveries, however I support its legalisation as it is comparatively far less harmful than tobacco or alcohol and the illegal activity that goes with the marijuana industry should be stopped.

Well, I do know that if everyone at Lindenwood but me was a pothead, I'd be much closer to the top in grades.

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but it persists when they are sober.
This is true of every drunk I've ever known, too.

Of course, pretty much everybody I know has had alcohol at one point or another, and only a teeny tiny minority have ever been drunks.

Likewise, the majority of the people I know have tried marijuana at least once in their lifetime, but only a very small number of them have ever been potheads.

Myself, I smoked a fair bit for a while there, but I guess I wasn't ever a "pothead" by your standards because during my pot-smoking days I was valedictorian of my high school class (of 250 students).

Absolutely fantastic.

So what do you guys think about smoking weed? Personally I think it is just a fun way to relax and have fun, but lets hear the nationstates opinion.
I used to be really for it's legalisation, and then one of my mates got somewhat addicted to it, lost the buzz from it, and went on to smack, which is just unendingly tragic.

So feh. Aye, it's a bit of a laugh I guess, but I've really cut it out of my life now.

Just what is a Libertarian anyways?
An anarchist in a suit.

Wiki is my friend
Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs)

So from what i'm reading my pot smoking friend had the right sort of idea when he told me that babble...

Wow, thanks for the source (yes i know its wiki but, that sounds rather accurate to me!)

An invasive species where I live and if I find it growing anywhere out of 'captivity' (in the woods etc...) I will cut it down and attempt to find out who is growing it in order to report them to the correct authorities.

I think I can tell you how accurate it is just by how it was laid out...


Its complete and utter bullshit.

oops, see the above post with regards to my comment.. don't you look silly now ;)

I guess your school calculates GPAs differently. Most schools (at least all the ones I've seen in the US) consider a 4.0 to be the highest GPA possible, with an A earning you 4 points. Thus, a 4.0 means he has gotten all A's in his classes (90%/92% or higher, depending on the school).

Aah, it's different here. 4 is like...shit here.

New studies have found that thsi drug is very very dangerous. I think that in the past (60's) it was ok because it wasn't laced or as strong. Now one joint is equal to about 15 or 16 from the past. It also does perminent damage to the pre-frontal cortex region of the brain and people who smoke weed growing up have been found to stop brain development and eventually they need more regions of the brain to do simple things such as tapping their fingers.

The human body is an incredible gift. I was gifted with having one in working order and I have no intention of harming it when I know a lot of people out there were not so lucky. I think it's really selfish. I have friends who smoke pot and I don't judge them on it. But, unless someone is in a great deal of pain from a terminal illness I do not want it legalized.

It would be more ok if smoking pot didn't hurt others and only hurt yourself but recently there have been innocent people killed from it simular to drunk driving. Since it affects others that's my very long stance.

Cannabis does little to you.

Should be legalized.

Smoke that shit up all day everyday. I remember when my friends and I got insanely happy when the dubs were stacked as hell. Fruity kush was the best, I barely smoke now and I passed a drug test in school since like everyone knew we smoked the shit out of weed but I stopped.

So what do you guys think about smoking weed?

There's no problem with marijuana, call it a gateway drug but it's that way because of its legality. If you find an illegal substance, be it weed or anything else, for the first time that thing is your gateway drug. Once you've found an illegal substance you'll most likely have the chance to get others (Which is why I have connections to shrooms, X, LSD, coke and much more...all because the dude I get my bud from knows people who can provide that).

I smoke because it does relax me, in fact it also clears my mind so I can think more strait and focus on a single topic. I've done my most political thinking high, i've begun creating a political party for my state of Nebraska and already had gathered several members. The manifesto I wrote for this political party was written after and during a nice fat blunt, and not a single bit of it is focused on primarily the legalization of marijuana (Of which many people would think so, "Oh he smokes so his only political thought is legalization.")

New studies have found that thsi drug is very very dangerous. I think that in the past (60's) it was ok because it wasn't laced or as strong. Now one joint is equal to about 15 or 16 from the past. It also does perminent damage to the pre-frontal cortex region of the brain and people who smoke weed growing up have been found to stop brain development and eventually they need more regions of the brain to do simple things such as tapping their fingers.

The human body is an incredible gift. I was gifted with having one in working order and I have no intention of harming it when I know a lot of people out there were not so lucky. I think it's really selfish. I have friends who smoke pot and I don't judge them on it. But, unless someone is in a great deal of pain from a terminal illness I do not want it legalized.

It would be more ok if smoking pot didn't hurt others and only hurt yourself but recently there have been innocent people killed from it simular to drunk driving. Since it affects others that's my very long stance.

WHOA!...not a single death in the history of this planet can be directly tied to marijuana consumtion. (Oh, and with how much i've smoked. My vocabulary is a hundred times more wide then most people I know...they say, even though im mexican, im the whitest man they know because of they way I speak)

WHOA!...not a single death in the history of this planet can be directly tied to marijuana consumtion.
okay then
source plz?

(Oh, and with how much i've smoked. My vocabulary is a hundred times more wide then most people I know...they say, even though im mexican, im the whitest man they know because of they way I speak)
because you use two words when one works fine 'wider'

and the word you are looking for is 'than'

okay then
source plz?


because you use two words when one works fine 'wider'

and the word you are looking for is 'than'

Marijuana has caused deaths that are reported as 'accidents', these accidents however are the users fault (You cannot directly say that marijuana was the primary factor of such casualties) Also in order to OD from Marijuana the user would have to consume 3 times, or maybe it 4...I did an essay on this awhile back so this is from the top of my head...the body weight of the user. Meaning in my case, at 170 pounds I would need to smoke...well lets just say alot more then I have ever smoked in a single day, and i've smoked a QP in a day before.

no, I just got reminded of it and felt like mentioning it...cause im proud of my mastery of the art of speech...never said I had good grammer =P

EDIT - Give me a sec and i'll get some sources.

Smoke that shit up all day everyday. I remember when my friends and I got insanely happy when the dubs were stacked as hell. Fruity kush was the best, I barely smoke now and I passed a drug test in school since like everyone knew we smoked the shit out of weed but I stopped.

You smoked the "shit" out of it, did you?

People like you make other pot smokers look bad.

Marijuana has caused deaths that are reported as 'accidents', these accidents however are the users fault (You cannot directly say that marijuana was the primary factor of such casualties) Also in order to OD from Marijuana the user would have to consume 3 times, or maybe it 4...I did an essay on this awhile back so this is from the top of my head...the body weight of the user. Meaning in my case, at 170 pounds I would need to smoke...well lets just say alot more then I have ever smoked in a single day, and i've smoked a QP in a day before.

no, I just got reminded of it and felt like mentioning it...cause im proud of my mastery of the art of speech...never said I had good grammer =P

EDIT - Give me a sec and i'll get some sources.

"Grammer"? Oh dear God.

An invasive species where I live and if I find it growing anywhere out of 'captivity' (in the woods etc...) I will cut it down and attempt to find out who is growing it in order to report them to the correct authorities.

Or you could just sent it my way. ;)

"Grammer"? Oh dear God.

ok...so ignore my spelling too. Trust me, I talk way better then I type...plus I usually just type what I think quickly and ignore any mistakes I make on the way unless its one that would really be noticable...I mean if you want to be a douche about it I could go get firefox and spellcheck everything I type.

I don't smoke but it doesn't bother me that other people do. I say legalize and regulate it in the manner that alcohol is.

I oppose drugs and I hate when people smoke that crap near me or at parties where I am and what not. I have left parties before because of that nonsense. Never have smoked it and never will and no I'm not missing out on anything.

okay then
source plz?

You want him to source the fact that something has not happened? Can you provide me with a source stating that President Bush has not molested a mongoose?

ok...so ignore my spelling too. Trust me, I talk way better then I type...plus I usually just type what I think quickly and ignore any mistakes I make on the way unless its one that would really be noticable...I mean if you want to be a douche about it I could go get firefox and spellcheck everything I type.

Anyone who has the audacity to say that they speak well generally doesn't speak very well.

I oppose drugs and I hate when people smoke that crap near me or at parties where I am and what not. I have left parties before because of that nonsense. Never have smoked it and never will and no I'm not missing out on anything.

I smoke pot, but I would never smoke around anyone who was uncomfortable with it. That's completely unfair and disrespectful. I don't think anyone should smoke cigarettes around someone who hates it either.

You smoked the "shit" out of it, did you?

People like you make other pot smokers look bad.



"Grammer"? Oh dear God.

Chill out man... just because that guy might talk like a stoner doesnt mean he makes other pot smokers "look bad". I talked like a pot head way before I ever actually smoked.

Oh and lol, the irony of spelling grammar wrong is just too great. Although im still waiting on someone to mispell "spelling".

Oh and lol, the irony of spelling grammar wrong is just too great. Although im still waiting on someone to mispell spelling".
Please tell me that was deliberate. Firefox's spelling checker even underlined that one.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misspell

okay then
source plz?


because you use two words when one works fine 'wider'

and the word you are looking for is 'than'

hello there, why have you got almost the same name as me?

I oppose drugs and I hate when people smoke that crap near me or at parties where I am and what not. I have left parties before because of that nonsense. Never have smoked it and never will and no I'm not missing out on anything.

I applaud you for your stance, and honestly I wish now that i never started. However how can you know what you are or are not missing if you have never tried it?

That makes no sense at all.

hello there, why have you got almost the same name as me?

Long lost brothers!:D

Every single pothead I have ever known has been noticeably mentally slower than non-potheads - they have more difficulty with complex ideas and take longer to think about things. This is most noticeable when they're stoned, of course, but [i]it persists when they are

Weed is also a gateway drug to more dangerous drugs.

Non of that has ever been proved, and Pot is the reason as to why we have a lower voting age and no draft as well as some of the best Music ever to grace this Earth!

I applaud you for your stance, and honestly I wish now that i never started. However how can you know what you are or are not missing if you have never tried it?

That makes no sense at all.

Good point. Also, I have to wonder why anyone would say that they 'oppose drugs'. What's that supposed to mean? I've just had a cup of coffee... with sugar. That's a cocktail of stimulant drugs, how shocking.

Or do those people mean that they just oppose illegal drugs? Well then I guess we'd better legalise them all. That way they won't have a problem, and can find something else to oppose.

Non of that has ever been proved, and Pot is the reason as to why we have a lower voting age

Nooooo......

and no draft

Noooo......

as well as some of the best Music ever to grace this Earth!

Ack. Oh sweet Jesus tappdancing Christ on a stick no. *shudders* There is nothing great about things like Grateful Dead.

Soooooo a libertarian, is a Socialist\Conseratist\Anarchist.

Wow sounds like a misnomer to me. To be liberal means to favour progressive goverment, with an idealogy based on protected individual rights.

What you describe above is more akin to anarchy. Why make up a label when we all ready have a more than adiquate one? (not you personaly, you know I mean 'them')

Because being liberal does mean they favor progressive government. The standing up for personal freedoms is primary to a Libertarian. They do not support the destruction (anarchists) of government, just the curtailing of government. For instance, the government should collect taxes for services that support everyone ie. police, fire, etc. They shouldn't collect money for things like welfare because mos people will never use it. It's not that we don't believe in helping out our fellow man. It means that we want to have a choice in doing so rather than be forced.

Heheh you are sooo wrong you know.

Really? Please expound.

New studies have found that thsi drug is very very dangerous. I think that in the past (60's) it was ok because it wasn't laced or as strong. Now one joint is equal to about 15 or 16 from the past. It also does perminent damage to the pre-frontal cortex region of the brain and people who smoke weed growing up have been found to stop brain development and eventually they need more regions of the brain to do simple things such as tapping their fingers.

The human body is an incredible gift. I was gifted with having one in working order and I have no intention of harming it when I know a lot of people out there were not so lucky. I think it's really selfish. I have friends who smoke pot and I don't judge them on it. But, unless someone is in a great deal of pain from a terminal illness I do not want it legalized.

It would be more ok if smoking pot didn't hurt others and only hurt yourself but recently there have been innocent people killed from it simular to drunk driving. Since it affects others that's my very long stance.

Yet alcohol is still legal. We have laws against driving while intoxicated (DWI) and Driving under the influence (DUI). These laws do not stop drunks from driving do they? My point is, we have laws against driving under the influence already. This changes nothing when it comes to accidents.

I do not think Marijuana should be legalized for 8 year olds...Alcohol and tobacco are strictly regulated in this way. Smoking marijuana during formative years will have an affect on the brains development no doubt. So will lack of exercise, poor diet, alcohol, heavy metal poisoning, and many other factors. It can lead to mental illness, mostly becoming schizophrenic studies have shown.

Really? Please expound.

When we say gateway drug we are talking about a drug that leads to drugs like cocaine, ectasy etc..

This report did not menation that at all, it talked abotu tabbaco, MJ and alchol. It was a study of 214 people, that is nowhere large enough to answer the question.

If I personaly know say 215 drug users and have personal experiance of MJ being a gateway drug, then I could also claim, with more integraty the exaxt opposiote.

So what do you guys think about smoking weed? Personally I think it is just a fun way to relax and have fun, but lets hear the nationstates opinion.

well i could care less about ANYthing that empares my judgement, even a little, because my pleasures are more ceribral then visceral: but i do feel that banning the mere possession of ANY thing, only creates opportunities for, really makes all but inevitable, extremely unreasonable searches and ceasures.

(along with creating markets for organized crime)

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Smoking marijuana is stupid for the following reasons.

1. It is illeagal.
2. You will go to jail if caught.
3. It wastes you money, time and life.
4. It is going to hurt you in the longrun, and you will regret it.
5. It shouldn't be legal. Future generation will think it would be OK to smoke it, and screwing up their lives wouldn't be fair.
6. What good does it do?

1. So is underage drinking and intercourse. Did that stop you?
2. Thats generally what happens when you break the law.
3. So does cigarettes.
4. See #3
5. It seems you are under the impression marijuana is bad. Thats the propaganda drilled into your head from the beginning. Current generation doesn't think smoking cigarettes is OK, yet they choose to use it.
6. What good does going to a movie do?

These topics appear weekly with the same results. 90% of us say to legalize it, and most of that 90% arent even users. The remaining 10% get pissy and moralistic, make a bunch of false claims that are refuted, and then claim how NSG is filled with pot heads.


Mark my words thats how this will go.

Can you please stop posting what I was going to, but doing it earlier than me, and more succinctly.

1. So is underage drinking and intercourse. Did that stop you?
2. Thats generally what happens when you break the law.
3. So does cigarettes.
4. See #3
5. It seems you are under the impression marijuana is bad. Thats the propaganda drilled into your head from the beginning. Current generation doesn't think smoking cigarettes is OK, yet they choose to use it.
6. What good does going to a movie do?

all of these are absolutely true, and i absolutely aggree with everyone one of them. but i also think arguments in favor of legalizing everything are more valid then those in favor of actually using it.

one thing at a time. there might even be FEWER people actually using it if it were completely lawful. or not, as the case might be, but the incentives for unreasonable searches and ceasures would be MUCH less, as would be all the many kinds of extreme damage, including that to a nation's collective psychie.

not criticizing the validity of point by point refutations, especially those which are absolutely true and documentable. except that emotional attatchment to fanatacism, as is commonly the case with ANY 'hotbutton issue', seldom takes into consideration, or even finds remotely any real interest, in actual realities.

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all of these are absolutely true, and i absolutely aggree with everyone one of them. but i also think arguments in favor of legalizing everything are more valid then those in favor of actually using it.

one thing at a time. there might even be FEWER people actually using it if it were completely lawful. or not, as the case might be, but the incentives for unreasonable searches and ceasures would be MUCH less, as would be all the many kinds of extreme damage, including that to a nation's collective psychie.

not criticizing the validity of point by point refutations, especially those which are absolutely true and documentable. except that emotional attatchment to fanatacism, as is commonly the case with ANY 'hotbutton issue', seldom takes into consideration, or even finds remotely any real interest, in actual realities.

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btw, hate to be "that guy", especially since I misspelled the word misspelled earlier, but anyways the word youre looking for is "seizure", not "ceasure".

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I enjoy a smoke not every day but certainly every week. I hold down a decent executive job and in all other respects I am a law abiding citizen (the odd speed camera fine on my licence).

I resent the fact that this harmless hobby criminalises me. Where as it could be sold from pharmacies / licenced premises earn the government good tax income. without me having to visit dealers.

Are people forgeting that due to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs) (thanks Velka), that cannabis cannot be legalized by a UN member state only decriminalised.

For cannabis to be made legal, member nations would have to persuade all other member nations it was a good idea to get Cannabis taken out of the above international classification OR quit the UN.

For cannabis to be made legal, member nations would have to persuade all other member nations it was a good idea to get Cannabis taken out of the above international classification OR quit the UN.
Or decriminalise it to the point where it's de facto legalised.

EDIT: And this is pertinent:

There is some controversy over whether cannabis is "particularly liable to abuse and to produce ill effects" and whether that "liability is not offset by substantial therapeutic advantages," as required by Schedule IV criteria.

(Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs#Regulation_of_cannabis))

Or decriminalise it to the point where it's de facto legalised.

Ithought the only thing decriminalisation didn't allow a Government to do was tax the drug... guess that shows how much i know :p

Ithought the only thing decriminalisation didn't allow a Government to do was tax the drug... guess that shows how much i know :p
Don't belittle yourself, I believe you're right.

When we say gateway drug we are talking about a drug that leads to drugs like cocaine, ectasy etc..

This report did not menation that at all, it talked abotu tabbaco, MJ and alchol. It was a study of 214 people, that is nowhere large enough to answer the question.

If I personaly know say 215 drug users and have personal experiance of MJ being a gateway drug, then I could also claim, with more integraty the exaxt opposiote.

First. You are talking about only one of the two articles Liuzzo posted. It is about a 12 years long study. It's obvious that for a research of such scope you select a restricted number of participants.

Second. You are avoiding the second article that reports about a study covering nearly 17,000 people.

Third. Gateway drugs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_drug). Yes it's wiki. But it's a starting point.

Fourth. The gateway drugs theory is obviously flawed. The relationships shown in studies about this theory are similar to those showing that the decline of the world's pirate population is tied to gloal warming.

Fifth. Not just your case but... Is it spelling impaired day?

Oh, and for the record:
I am a social smoker of tobacco and a social drinker (which means that i tend not to smoke or drink when alone).
I smoked cannabis and hashish a couple of times in my life but never liked it.

I favour the legalization of drugs in general. Yes, even crack. If somebody decides to poison himself slowly it's his choice, not mine, to make!

Oh, and for the record:
I am a social smoker of tobacco and a social drinker (which means that i tend not to smoke or drink when alone).
I smoked cannabis and hashish a couple of times in my life but never liked it.

I favour the legalization of drugs in general. Yes, even crack. If somebody decides to poison himself slowly it's his choice, not mine, to make!

I agree with this. All making drugs illegal is doing is creating a black market and causing thousands of unnecessary deaths a year. I assure you if drugs were legal the usage would actually go down, as long as there was proper information and treatment. Of course im not saying we should make drugs like crack-cocaine readily available...

Pro-weed, but don't smoke - it gives me a migraine. I have heard tell, though, that you can make a cordial from seeds and stems... That sounds like it might be good.

I say legalize it! There are very relaxed laws on it anyway where I am from (Canada).

I say legalize it! There are very relaxed laws on it anyway where I am from (Canada).

Not as lax as Holland.

I think people who do it too much are pretty lame people. They are slow mentally and physically. Not to say they are stupid...just over time the quality of their thinking diminishes, it slows down.

I see no problem if people do it on occasion, however.