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http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/05/12/daily61.html

Gah! A news story was on right now, about the "new" Starbucks logo, they freaking black boxed the nipples! There's a huge (well, the news wants me to think huge) controversy. Churches are boycotting! OMG!

Stupidity? Yes.

What do you think?

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/05/12/daily61.html

Gah! A news story was on right now, about the "new" Starbucks logo, they freaking black boxed the nipples! There's a huge (well, the news wants me to think huge) controversy. Churches are boycotting! OMG!

Stupidity? Yes.

What do you think?

*rolls around the floor laughing*

A lot of pointless hype over nothing.

Welcome to America. Move along.

Why did they change it in the first place?

Starbucks has been a run away success for how long now with a nipply mermaid, and now it's a problem? They have Starbucks that can be seen from other Starbucks...you think that they could give those touchy people a pass and not even notice?

Why did they change it in the first place?

To get people talking I suppose. So talk!

Why did they change it in the first place?

Because they wanted to see boobies.

OH MY GOD!!! NOT BOOBIES!!! AAAAAAHHGGH!!

*runs around in circles a bit, then jumps out a window*

Hehe, as I typed that some kid was out in the street throwing a tantrum with the perfect level of sobbing and crying for this. :D

Because they wanted to see boobies.

I can think of no nobler reason.

I can think of no nobler reason.

Amen.

Eh. I thought the article was appropriately humorous in tone. And while I didn't bother to look it up, I'd guess "The Resistance" isn't a church. So I guess we're not seeing a complete meltdown just yet. :p

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~sajamato/Ang4.JPG

Ohmigosh hide the children.

Eh. I thought the article was appropriately humorous in tone. And while I didn't bother to look it up, I'd guess "The Resistance" isn't a church. So I guess we're not seeing a complete meltdown just yet. :p

Local churches are boycotting, they had an "alliance" of three different ministers to prove it. They said it was "disgusting" and "immoral" to put that on cups that children might see.

I don't know what kind of children they have, but all the kids I know actually have their own nipples and probably wouldn't care. In fact one of my daughters was pretty freaked out that Barbie doesn't have nipples.

*SNORT* *laughs self sick*

I agree with Thumbless Pete: at least the tone of the article was humerous.

And I too, can think of no nobler reason to change the logo than to see boobies. *giggles childishly*

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~sajamato/Ang4.JPG

Ohmigosh hide the children.

AIEEE!!!! SKIN!!! :eek:

Wait, I know why they changed the logo:

SO... an article would be written about people taking offense to the new logo, which Smunkee could then put up here for us to discuss! Brilliant! Let's all applaud Starbucks for giving us fodder for conversation! *clapclapclapclapclapclapclap*

Local churches are boycotting, they had an "alliance" of three different ministers to prove it. They said it was "disgusting" and "immoral" to put that on cups that children might see.
Idiots.

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~sajamato/Ang4.JPG

Ohmigosh hide the children.

wow, that's it. Some people have too much time on their hands.

Why did they change it in the first place?
Marketing. This is just the thing to boost slumping sales, albeit temporarily. Gimme a church boycott controversy any day ;)

I didn't even know their logo was a mermaid until now.

That entire article was hiliarious, the quotes and everything.

"Nothing makes me want coffee more than a limber mermaid queen," said Allison Bailin, a PR executive with Phoenix-based HMA Public Relations.

Starbucks has been a run away success for how long now with a nipply mermaid, and now it's a problem? They have Starbucks that can be seen from other Starbucks...you think that they could give those touchy people a pass and not even notice?

Nu-uh. The Starbucks mermaid hasn't had nipples since 1987 (http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/2005/06/the_evolution_o.html).

Of course, she still doesn't have any in the new logo (which judging from this 2005 website (http://www.deadprogrammer.com/starbucks-logo-mermaid) isn't all that new anyway (second to last pic)), so why the crazies are flipping out is beyond me.

Puritanical morons.

Whenever I see something like this (most especially when John Ashcroft covered the exposed breasts of the statue of justice), I just point to the fountain of Neptune in front of the Library of Congress. This is a fountain on one of the most important buildings in DC, the building itself is a monument, and it features fully nude states.

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~sajamato/Ang4.JPG

Ohmigosh hide the children.

Her pubic hair seems way out of control as well.

Shocking!

Some Christian group is offended over something trivial and nonsensical?


Did you also know water is wet?;)

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/05/12/daily61.html

Gah! A news story was on right now, about the "new" Starbucks logo, they freaking black boxed the nipples! There's a huge (well, the news wants me to think huge) controversy. Churches are boycotting! OMG!

Stupidity? Yes.

What do you think?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/entertainment/street/2008/04/starbucks_retro_colors_and_a_s_1.html

Did someone say boobies? :D

http://www.exoticbirding.com/images/red-footed-booby-CS-rt.jpg

http://www.fundraisingresearch.info/USERIMAGES/boobies.bmp

http://www.photoseek.com/94GAL-10-18-Masked-Boobies-groom-740w.jpg




:D

Woopdeedoo...

They should have also given her a penis.

I have news for these particular Christian motherfuckers. Fucking exists! When you explain it to kids, they don't give a shit. I didn't give a shit when I dad explained how sex works (although I thought it was really disgusting at the time and could not possibly fathom why someone would ever want to insert his penis into a woman's vagina. Wet and gross. Wet and gross I say!)

These people don't want to have to explain anything: from the anti-meth campaign ads to gay pride parades to the birds and the bees, now this. God dammit.

A Christian group is encouraging boycotts of something this insignificant? A few years ago I would be laughing at them; now I merely find their actions contemptible.

I know I'm not the only one here who is tired of zealots infecting the world with their stupidity.

The sad part is that they make the reasonable Christians look stupid. But I am here to keep saying in my head "it's just these Christian motherfuckers. These ones." It helps.

AIEEE!!!! SKIN!!! :eek:

and she's spreading her fins! :eek:

Nu-uh. The Starbucks mermaid hasn't had nipples since 1987 (http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/2005/06/the_evolution_o.html).

Of course, she still doesn't have any in the new logo (which judging from this 2005 website (http://www.deadprogrammer.com/starbucks-logo-mermaid) isn't all that new anyway (second to last pic)), so why the crazies are flipping out is beyond me.

Yeah, I passed a Starbucks after writing that and remembered, "Oh yeah, they got rid of the nipples a while ago...well, someone is going to call me on that..." And you're the one that did...does that make you feel like a big person, parading my errors around? Huh? Well, does it? ;p

So yeah, I was wrong, but monolith status remains. I think they can survive the looneys the same way that Disney did with the southern Babtists over giving partner ship benifits to gay employees.

Not going to bother sifting through all these pages BUT, has it occured to anyone else that scandal sells?

Starbucks gets free advertising, and their logo flashed all over media outlets. Most people won't care, but they'll be inundated with Starbucks logos, outlets, products, etc...

Plus for ever 1 church member who protests, theres 4 other people mocking them while enjoying a freshly purchased Mocha-locka-frappanglay-ventichino with extra ice and a hazlenut flavour shot.

I'll say this: Tits are tits, woman or mermaid or what-the-fuck-ever. And tits, no matter what you put them on, are probably inappropriate for a corporate logo.

I don't particularly care about this myself, but I think a basic level of public decency is desirable if only to keep the crazies from revolting.

Local churches are boycotting, they had an "alliance" of three different ministers to prove it. They said it was "disgusting" and "immoral" to put that on cups that children might see.

I don't know what kind of children they have, but all the kids I know actually have their own nipples and probably wouldn't care. In fact one of my daughters was pretty freaked out that Barbie doesn't have nipples.

To be perfectly honest with you Smunkee, while I think that this little outrage is over the top, and the best thing to do is to ignore it rather than make a song and dance about it because that draws attention to it. The same thing happened with The Da Vinci Code and The Power of the Passion, where various groups made a big deal about it how bad it was (in both cases all bullshit) actually did the opposite and drew attention to it which helped their success immensely. Anyway while I agree to you with a point and this is only a logo which isn't really that noticeable anyway, while kids have nipples, I don't think you would want say Sesame Street (or some other children's program), having Linda walking around topless just because she also has nipples. Anyway I think that this little controversy is bullshit, and this extremely small minority of people who are protesting this really should get over it, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if Starbucks did this deliberately in order to get a bit more free advertising.

I didn't even know that the Starbucks logo was a mermaid, I knew it was green and had something but I never paid attention to it or noticed it, maybe because I refuse to drink cheap coffee from Starbucks and pay ridiculous prices for it. Not to mention I one of my pet peeves are those people who think they are cool because they have a cardboard cup in their hand and walk around all day sipping from it.

Talk about over reaction. :headbang:

Not to mention one of my pet peeves are those people who think they are cool because they have a cardboard cup in their hand and walk around all day sipping from it.

Mine is plastic, thankyouverymuch.

Slightly off-topic.. but... is it just me or does anyone else fail to see any kind of connection between coffee, tea and a mermaid?:confused:

Mine is plastic, thankyouverymuch.

So you probably paid even more then what the others do? Even if only a little bit:p

I was beginning to wonder how long it was going to take before a Starbucks employee replied to this thread so I suppose I'm the first.

(Also first post on this account cause jolt "indefinitely" banned my first one. lol)

I agree with all that pretty are callin BS on these people. I've seen mass stupidity but it's rare that a minority exhibits such retardation also.

So, if anyone want the story behind the logo change and wants to ask an employee, shoot. Cause right now it's late and the entire explanation will be kinda long and I really don't want to write it out unless requested to. And, I'm just lazy. :p

I got my own reasons for not patronizing them.. but this sure as hell aint it.


I can get better coffee, the way I want it (BLACK), the rare times I do .. much cheaper somewhere else.

But usually when I want some coffee.. I brew my own.

So you probably paid even more then what the others do? Even if only a little bit:p

Well, to be fair, I use the posh cardboard things on my iced drinks because I hate condensation..

*points pinky*

I got my own reasons for not patronizing them.. but this sure as hell aint it.


I can get better coffee, the way I want it (BLACK), the rare times I do .. much cheaper somewhere else.

You can't get black coffee at Starbucks? Are you sure? I always get black coffee.. :confused:

You can't get black coffee at Starbucks? Are you sure? I always get black coffee.. :confused:

Can you?

nah I guess you can , but I'd bet it costs much more then other places.. since it's Starbucks!

Also.. I believe their black coffee isn't any better than other places. Starbucks just has all the other cool coffee drinks. I just like black. Rarely drink it.

Mine is plastic, thankyouverymuch.
:p

Do you parade it around like it is the Crown Jewels.

You can't get black coffee at Starbucks? Are you sure? I always get black coffee.. :confused:

Yeah but he also said better coffee which unfortunately doesn't say much when referring to Starbucks.

:p

Do you parade it around like it is the Crown Jewels.



Yeah but he also said better coffee which unfortunately doesn't say much when referring to Starbucks.



As I said I rarely desire it.. when I do I will usually brew my own.. if I happen to already be out on the road when I get that desire.. I will hit a Mc D's .. since they are every freakin where.. Hardees probably has good coffee too, though. ooh and Dunkin Donuts!

but no .. I'm not a coffee connaisseur. If it's black and tastes right I'm good. haha

You can get black coffee at Starbucks. Largest size is a $1.85. So yeah, you can get it cheaper somewhere else. However, and I know I may be a little biased but I can almost guarantee that drip coffee you get at other places ex:AM PM is NOT as good as ours. However, some people have preferences so yeah.

Also, a little black coffee and a blueberry muffin in the morning is the breakfast of champions if you ask me.

You can get black coffee at Starbucks. Largest size is a $1.85. So yeah, you can get it cheaper somewhere else. However, and I know I may be a little biased but I can almost guarantee that drip coffee you get at other places ex:AM PM is NOT as good as ours. However, some people have preferences so yeah.

Also, a little black coffee and a blueberry muffin in the morning is the breakfast of champions if you ask me.

yeah sounds good.

Or a country ham biscuit and black coffee.

Healthy = some cantalope and/or strawberries, honey dew, blue berries.. etc etc.. meh. Oatmeal!

But usually when I want some coffee.. I brew my own.

Which is exactly why we sell all of our coffee in bags and bullets.


Well, to be fair, I use the posh cardboard things on my iced drinks because I hate condensation..

*points pinky*

and I hate you 'cause you make us use sleeves when we shouldn't.

Those little recycled cardboard pieces come in boxes of 400 and cost $112 a box.

jk, but is IS a waste of cardboard. Ask for a napkin next time man. :)

I don't even know what y'all talking about. Cardboard sleeves on card board cups? *pur of the loop*

I hit every key to the left

Well seeing as this thread took an odd turn to discussing Starbucks product instead of the crazy nutjob religious folks. I'll try to pull it back in.

Starbucks changed their logo back to a close copy of the original store logo in the 70's. This was done to promote the new all day brew "Pike Place." However, the new logo came with the return of Howard Schulz to the position of CEO of Starbucks because he didn't like the direction of the company that his old partner was taking it in.

On top of that, in the U.S. about two months ago, every store shut down at 7 pm for a nation-wide retraining in how we prepare our espresso drinks. That was basically 20'000 partners nation-wide relearning their jobs. Wasn't fun really.

Since the re-vamp, Starbucks has experienced a 28% "profit" loss. Not a gross income loss, just real net gain. So basically, we selling just as much, just not making as much.(the new system encourages a LOT of waste and is taking some getting used to) So this new unwarranted free publicity might help. :D

So, about the logo, I already said why it's there, what is it. It's a siren, duh. A siren was meant to be used to signify the the prowess and sway it held of the seas in its area. Just as a Starbucks Barista should know the drinks and have the ability to connect with customer on a deep level in order further expand the meaning of the coffee they're buying.(yeah, we get into this REAL deep at starbucks) So, just as a Siren was meant to be deadly, it was also one of the most beautiful creatures on earth. We get a guide called the sirens eye which signifies that a siren can see what ever is on her sea at the moment. Basically, the Siren's eye for us is a guide to set up our store.(thus why all starbucks look pretty much like clones) However, each partner through the same metaphor of the siren is meant to make each store different.

Basically, all the logo change was meant for was to say "hey, people, not mindless consumers, are coming in to buy coffee. Treat them like human beings."


whew, I think I got it all.

All the sleeves are for is cause customers were bitching about their hands getting too hot.

And a recocklulous company policy is not to "double-cup" which actually is statistically cheaper cause our cups aren't courrugated recycled carboard and not specially cut.

All the sleeves are for is cause customers were bitching about their hands getting too hot.

And a recocklulous company policy is not to "double-cup" which actually is statistically cheaper cause our cups aren't courrugated recycled carboard and not specially cut.

So people bitch cause the coffees too hot? I know styrofoam is good for that, but not good the rest of the way. Lower your temps. Or sell some type of insulator 'main mug' to put their coffee in (and be a nazi coffee dude.. mug or no coffee! "No soup for you!") jk (not). .. but really .. i repeat myself..

Give em a mug and make em wash the sob.. to get coffee.. for those strong ass little coffees well .. those are served in washable dishes right?

The real problem with Starbucks is that they capitalise on the foolishness of consumers.

The difference in cost for Starbucks between, say, a regular Americano and a grande, or even a caramel, machiatto vente with chocolate chip covering - if such a thing exists - is minimal, less than a cent per cup.

Yet they identify those of you who think those extras are worth $2 on the price. Fool you, yay Starbucks.

It's like the Fair Trade scam that coffee companies operated - and to be fair I don't think it was Starbucks - where Fair Trade cost the consumer a good 10c more but the farmer received practically none of that.

Targeted pricing, relying on our laziness and ignorance to great effect.

Yet one more reason why people gho on shooting spreas...

The real problem with Starbucks is that they capitalise on the foolishness of consumers.

The difference in cost for Starbucks between, say, a regular Americano and a grande, or even a caramel, machiatto vente with chocolate chip covering - if such a thing exists - is minimal, less than a cent per cup.

Yet they identify those of you who think those extras are worth $2 on the price. Fool you, yay Starbucks.

It's like the Fair Trade scam that coffee companies operated - and to be fair I don't think it was Starbucks - where Fair Trade cost the consumer a good 10c more but the farmer received practically none of that.

Targeted pricing, relying on our laziness and ignorance to great effect.

That's not a problem with Starbucks. If people (like me) are willing to pay it, then it's not a problem. It would be a problem if Starbucks was going out of business because people wouldn't pay. I pay it (and I've said before) because given my coffee shop choices, I choose Starbucks, they give people who work there lots of cool stuff like health insurance. We have a lot of people without that here, who aren't skilled enough to get a job that offers it. I will support any company who gives low paid workers a chance to have health insurance and retirement and tuition reimbursement.

Two-tailed mermaids are such sluts
>_>

Well seeing as this thread took an odd turn to discussing Starbucks product instead of the crazy nutjob religious folks. I'll try to pull it back in.

Starbucks changed their logo back to a close copy of the original store logo in the 70's. This was done to promote the new all day brew "Pike Place." However, the new logo came with the return of Howard Schulz to the position of CEO of Starbucks because he didn't like the direction of the company that his old partner was taking it in.

<snip the completely true but not really necessary evidence that working for Starbuck's is a suck job. Sorry, friend, but I do feel your pain. :)>

So, about the logo, I already said why it's there, what is it. It's a siren, duh. A siren was meant to be used to signify the the prowess and sway it held of the seas in its area. <snip more of the horrific torture Starbuck's visits upon its employees>

Slightly off-topic.. but... is it just me or does anyone else fail to see any kind of connection between coffee, tea and a mermaid?:confused:
Actually, there is a direct connection.

Regardless of what cultish claptrap Starbuck's puts into its employee manuals, the siren logo is actually a nautical reference and harkens back to the early days of coffee and tea importing to the US.

Many names associated with major brands and stores in the US today are actually the family names of 18th and 19th century New England shipping companies. Most of those family-based businesses got big first in sugar and slaves, then in whaling, and finally, when whale oil started to fade, in import-export shipping with Asia, which really took off when the railroads made transcontinental overland shipping feasible.

Coffee and tea were some of the biggest import products of that time. Vast fortunes were made on it, and long-standing retail companies were founded in relation to it. For instance, the A&P supermarket chain was called A&P after its parent entity, the 19th century Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company.

Now Starbuck's Coffee is a much newer company name, dating from the 1970s, but the family name Starbuck belonged to a socially high-ranking family in the shipping business in Massachusetts (real Brahmins), one of whose scions made a fortune importing coffee. In fact, the name Starbuck was so well known in New England, and so associated with both maritime trade and coffee, that the coffee-drinking character Starbuck from Herman Melville's Moby Dick is a nod to that family.

There's a portrait of the coffee-importing Mr. Starbuck in the Peabody Essex Museum in Salem Massachusetts, in what I like to call their Hall of New England Capitalists. He hangs in the same room with many of his obscurely-famous neighbors, including a Mr. Macy (yes, as in Macy's department stores; those guys imported housewares and textiles as well as tea and coffee; hell, they'd import anything they could sell for a profit). Unfortunately, I haven't found a good internet source for this history yet. I search for it sporadically, but I think I need to find some obscure, indirect path to it.

In any event, the name Starbuck has been well known in the coffee business for well over a century, and has always had nautical connotations and symbols associated with it because of its origin in maritime shipping and all the cultural references that go with that. The siren logo reflects that historical connection.



Also, boobies sell coffee. :)

Meh, not a fan of Starbucks*. But this does seem a bit dispproportionate. It makes me wonder what they think of the legacy of centuries of Christian art :)




*The last/only time I've been in there, their black coffee tasted watery, sweetened and terribly bitter at the same time, also fairly expensive for what it was IIRC. Perhaps it has got better since. But I don't care enough to go back in.

Also, boobies sell coffee. :)

According to some advirtisers, boobies sell *everything* ;)

http://www.samandbabs.com/nonverbal/archives/starbucksOldSchool.jpg

If this is the new logo, then I'm baffled, because it's nowhere near as visually appealing as the old green one. The old green one had a simple, clean look. Not a complex image at all. This, this looks like it was hand cut into a printers block and is made of phail.

So, what next they put pants on Michaelangelo's David?

These people should get lives.

Did someone say boobies? :D

http://www.exoticbirding.com/images/red-footed-booby-CS-rt.jpg

http://www.fundraisingresearch.info/USERIMAGES/boobies.bmp

http://www.photoseek.com/94GAL-10-18-Masked-Boobies-groom-740w.jpg




:D

Yay Boobies! :D

According to some advirtisers, boobies sell *everything* ;)
This is true. I had considered posting a whole collection of ads with boobies in then throughout history, but I decided I didn't like any of you enough to go to the trouble. :)

http://www.samandbabs.com/nonverbal/archives/starbucksOldSchool.jpg

If this is the new logo, then I'm baffled, because it's nowhere near as visually appealing as the old green one. The old green one had a simple, clean look. Not a complex image at all. This, this looks like it was hand cut into a printers block and is made of phail.
It was hand cut into a printer's block. That is a copy of a 19th century woodcut. I have the exact same one in my collection of images for collage.

Dosen't look as good as the original one. I don't really get why people are making a fuss, I mean, have they seen how many women walk around in white shirts in the rain :p

Dosen't look as good as the original one. I don't really get why people are making a fuss, I mean, have they seen how many women walk around in white shirts in the rain :p

I'll bet it makes them spill their coffee everytime they see it, too.

Hey, maybe that's the problem -- the boobies are interfering with their ability to drink the coffee. Maybe they end up licking the logo instead of drinking the beverage. If Starbucks would move the logo from the side of the cup to the sippy lid that fits on top, with the logo positioned just right, maybe this all would go away. :)

I'll bet it makes them spill their coffee everytime they see it, too.

*Snip*
That's it! That's why Starbucks is so rich! All that spilled coffee from the prudish people who go there! It's a conspiracy I tell ya!

Actually, there is a direct connection.

Regardless of what cultish claptrap Starbuck's puts into its employee manuals, the siren logo is actually a nautical reference and harkens back to the early days of coffee and tea importing to the US.

Many names associated with major brands and stores in the US today are actually the family names of 18th and 19th century New England shipping companies. Most of those family-based businesses got big first in sugar and slaves, then in whaling, and finally, when whale oil started to fade, in import-export shipping with Asia, which really took off when the railroads made transcontinental overland shipping feasible.

Coffee and tea were some of the biggest import products of that time. Vast fortunes were made on it, and long-standing retail companies were founded in relation to it. For instance, the A&P supermarket chain was called A&P after its parent entity, the 19th century Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company.

Now Starbuck's Coffee is a much newer company name, dating from the 1970s, but the family name Starbuck belonged to a socially high-ranking family in the shipping business in Massachusetts (real Brahmins), one of whose scions made a fortune importing coffee. In fact, the name Starbuck was so well known in New England, and so associated with both maritime trade and coffee, that the coffee-drinking character Starbuck from Herman Melville's Moby Dick is a nod to that family.

There's a portrait of the coffee-importing Mr. Starbuck in the Peabody Essex Museum in Salem Massachusetts, in what I like to call their Hall of New England Capitalists. He hangs in the same room with many of his obscurely-famous neighbors, including a Mr. Macy (yes, as in Macy's department stores; those guys imported housewares and textiles as well as tea and coffee; hell, they'd import anything they could sell for a profit). Unfortunately, I haven't found a good internet source for this history yet. I search for it sporadically, but I think I need to find some obscure, indirect path to it.

In any event, the name Starbuck has been well known in the coffee business for well over a century, and has always had nautical connotations and symbols associated with it because of its origin in maritime shipping and all the cultural references that go with that. The siren logo reflects that historical connection.



Also, boobies sell coffee. :)

*learns stuff*

That's quite cool. I actually thought they took the name from Melville...

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/05/12/daily61.html

Gah! A news story was on right now, about the "new" Starbucks logo, they freaking black boxed the nipples! There's a huge (well, the news wants me to think huge) controversy. Churches are boycotting! OMG!

Stupidity? Yes.

What do you think?I think that one of the major churches is already boycotting Starbucks, since Mormons aren't supposed to drink caffeine in the first place.

I'll bet it makes them spill their coffee everytime they see it, too.

Hey, maybe that's the problem -- the boobies are interfering with their ability to drink the coffee. Maybe they end up licking the logo instead of drinking the beverage. If Starbucks would move the logo from the side of the cup to the sippy lid that fits on top, with the logo positioned just right, maybe this all would go away. :)

Or they could have the Willy Wonka tasty stickers, that might work.

It's not as if their fantastically alluring boobs...

It's not as if their fantastically alluring boobs...

Maybe this is the problem?

Maybe this is the problem?
Perhaps they should be more like the Virgin Mary's rocking tits?

Perhaps they should be more like the Virgin Mary's rocking tits?

My thoughts are very far away from any "virgin" at this point.

So, what next they put pants on Michaelangelo's David?

These people should get lives.

Oh the horror if they ever do such a thing!

http://www.artnewsblog.com/images/david.jpg
:eek:

*finds nearest Starbucks...travels over an hour by bus to get there...we only really have Cafe Nero and Costa Coffee here...*

Hi! I'd like a Starbucks coffee please! - Traveled over an hour to get here, so I'd like something that lasts for a long time...

Why did I travel for so long? I just wanna piss off a load of Christian nutjobs in the states who are boycotting you because of the whole new logo thing.

*buys coffee*

Cheers!

Perhaps they should be more like the Virgin Mary's rocking tits?

oh god
that is the funniest thing i have heard all day
as a devout athiest i must say that was hilarious

The last/only time I've been in there, their black coffee tasted watery, sweetened and terribly bitter at the same time, also fairly expensive for what it was IIRC. Perhaps it has got better since. But I don't care enough to go back in.

i totally agree. their coffee is terrible, watery, and bitter. and burned. and when i say burned i don't mean to sound like some coffee snob who knows what he's talking about and uses words like "bouquet" instead of smell. i mean it tastes burned. like drinking charcoal. the reasons people go their are:

1) their coffee makes a good accessory for rich people who want to look "hip" but don't know enough to actually be hipsters, which is a bullshit thing to be anyway.

2) for the caramel-mocha-latte-frappa things, which aren't even really coffee. covering up the burned flavor of coffee with other flavors does not make it taste like better coffee, it just makes it taste like caramel.

I'm a bit more concerned wit the fact that the mermaid has apparently torn her own tail in half with her bare hands. What the fuck?

Well thank you to Muravyets for explaining the logo much further than I really cared to at 2 am. :)

But in all honesty. It really isn't a suck job. It only becomes a suck job when people are bitches when they come and expect us to follow them into the bathroom to wipe their asses for them. Hell, I get benefits for avg. 20 hours a week. It's part-time and I'm in college. That = awesome. I'll put up with shitty people for that. I'll put up with a cult-like attitude for that.

Oh and someone asked way earlier, something about mugs, we give them to you if you plan on staying in-store for a while. Also, we sell them so you can bring it in if you want. We give you a tiny-ass discount that definitely isn't worth it but it makes the consumer all warm and fuzzy inside. :P

And Grondisbald, don't dis my coffe yo


lol

Oh the horror if they ever do such a thing!

http://www.artnewsblog.com/images/david.jpg
:eek:

Those are some tight fitting pants. :eek:

*learns stuff*

That's quite cool. I actually thought they took the name from Melville...

Some people say they did, but if they didn't have any idea who the real Starbuck was, it would have been one hell of a coincidence for them to pick that name out of all the characters in the book, eh?

Oh the horror if they ever do such a thing!

http://www.artnewsblog.com/images/david.jpg
:eek:
MY EYES! MY EYES!!

I looked it up on wikipedia.

One word:

Slutbucks.

And Grondisbald, don't dis my coffe yo


lol
Sorry, I have to take this chance to dis it, too. I really hate Starbuck's coffee. It does taste burnt, and I think it's because they over-roast it.

But, then I hate all the coffee chains. Starbuck's tastes like burned oils. Dunkin Donuts tastes like bitter/sour hot water. The fast food chains' coffee tastes just as shitty as their food does. And I detest ALL flavored coffees for two reasons: (1) I know how they're made; and (2) COFFEE IS A FLAVOR, DAMMIT!

I brew my own at home -- 100% Columbian, espresso grind, drip brewed, with half a teaspoon of sugar and enough whole milk to make it a medium tan color.

Those are some tight fitting pants. :eek:

They are, and now that you mention those, Michaelangelo´s David would make a damn sexy Ronald McDonald.:p

It's not as if their fantastically alluring boobs...

You know the rules. Nudity is only obscene when it's actractive nudity.

You know the rules. Nudity is only obscene when it's actractive nudity.

Unatractive nudity isn´t obscene then?

Unatractive nudity isn´t obscene then?

Of course not. It's either funny or natural/symbolic.

Of course not. It's either funny or natural.

I think nudity shouldn´t be labeled as obscene or not. It shouldn´t even be considered funny. Nudity is just a natural thing, and that´s it.

Really don't mind the breasts, I have my own pair and they don't scare me XD
...but the new logo is just plain ugly. XD
The "15th century sketch of a mermaid" style is unfitting for a logo, lines are not clean enough, look too much like a scribble and are too thin - those kinds of images look awful when you resize them, which is bad for a logo- and ...it is a very ugly drawing of a mermaid. XD
It's unclear (can't see the hair of scales or anything properly), the shadows look like accidental smudges of ink, the crown is outlined in white but not the rest, the tails are looking more like weird palm trees than fins, where in the world her hands dissapeared...
Also, someone pointed out that she looks like she's ripping her tail with her bare hands; I think it looks like so too XD.
It's not a beautiful sight; not making me thirsty at all. XD

I really think logos are better kept clean and simple, for aesthetical and technical (resizing and such) reasons, so I don't like this new logo.

Now, if you really can't sell your coffee without printing boobs on it, add some to their previous modern logo and call it a day.
XD

I was beginning to wonder how long it was going to take before a Starbucks employee replied to this thread so I suppose I'm the first.

(Also first post on this account cause jolt "indefinitely" banned my first one. lol)

I agree with all that pretty are callin BS on these people. I've seen mass stupidity but it's rare that a minority exhibits such retardation also.

So, if anyone want the story behind the logo change and wants to ask an employee, shoot. Cause right now it's late and the entire explanation will be kinda long and I really don't want to write it out unless requested to. And, I'm just lazy. :p

Tell, tell!

oh, you did.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/05/12/daily61.html

Gah! A news story was on right now, about the "new" Starbucks logo, they freaking black boxed the nipples! There's a huge (well, the news wants me to think huge) controversy. Churches are boycotting! OMG!

Stupidity? Yes.

What do you think?

On the whole, I think they went a little 'too far' on a still-related side-note though, there is a level at which its just not that big a deal. Seriously, a boycott? Slutbucks? These are not reasonable (IMO) responses.

After all, overcensoring can be as bad as undercensoring, and I think many people want to react in the former manner, rather than some kind of 'compromise'.

Good grief. Since when were mermaids immoral?
Surely there are more important things people could be complaining about?:headbang:
Starbucks is not my favourite, but if I need coffee...;)

Slightly off-topic.. but... is it just me or does anyone else fail to see any kind of connection between coffee, tea and a mermaid?:confused:

the name Starbucks comes from the first mate in Moby-Dick, who, as the Starbucks company claims, loved coffee (though I've yet to find any defence of this), hence the mermaid.

Man, Metromint should do something like this..

*loves that tasty overpriced Metromint and wishes it was sold in more places in his area*

Boobies are the new Schwartz.

I think nudity shouldn´t be labeled as obscene or not. It shouldn´t even be considered funny. Nudity is just a natural thing, and that´s it.

I know you are European Nanatsu and nudity is an everyday part of life, which IMO I don't really see as a problem either, but it is different to Americans, British and Australians amongst others where nudity is a bit more taboo where as violence is sort of the opposite amongst Europeans. At least that's what I think the French and Spanish exchange students where saying, fell free to correct it. I know that some European newspapers would have a centrefold I know were this to happen in Australia people would go nuts (and not the religious ones)

:p

Do you parade it around like it is the Crown Jewels.

Only when it matches the colour of my polo shirt. :cool:

Yeah but he also said better coffee which unfortunately doesn't say much when referring to Starbucks.

It's hard to find a coffee shop that has espresso as good as Starbucks. I find that a lot of times when I go to a coffee shop they usually don't know how to make an americano and so they put too much water in it and charge around the same price as Starbucks, who gives me a consistently good product. *nods*

Only when it matches the colour of my polo shirt. :cool:

:D

It's hard to find a coffee shop that has espresso as good as Starbucks. I find that a lot of times when I go to a coffee shop they usually don't know how to make an americano and so they put too much water in it and charge around the same price as Starbucks, who gives me a consistently good product. *nods*

Well I will admit it is hard to find a place to get good coffee, if that is all you want. But I prefer to go to my local Cafe, where an old French man has been brewing coffee at the same premises for over 25 years. You should scout around a bit and don't get draw into chains like Gloria Jeans find somewhere that is only a very small operation. Now I know you are in Australia, and all Starbucks are only in large cities so it can't be to hard.

*finds nearest Starbucks...travels over an hour by bus to get there...we only really have Cafe Nero and Costa Coffee here...*

Hi! I'd like a Starbucks coffee please! - Traveled over an hour to get here, so I'd like something that lasts for a long time...

Why did I travel for so long? I just wanna piss off a load of Christian nutjobs in the states who are boycotting you because of the whole new logo thing.

*buys coffee*

Cheers!

That'll learn 'em :rolleyes:

Good for Starbuck's. Keep those crazy Christians frothing at the mouth.:)

I actually heard there stock has been plummeting. Is this the cause, or the solution?;)

"And I detest ALL flavored coffees for two reasons: (1) I know how they're made;"

How?? :eek:

*sorry about the improper quoting; I'm not really sure how that got screwed up.

Good for Starbuck's. Keep those crazy Christians frothing at the mouth.:)

I actually heard there stock has been plummeting. Is this the cause, or the solution?;)

Stock dropped about 16 cents. And the fact that we still make money with that much profit loss isn't really a sign of lack of confidence.

Although a little unplanned religious blasphemy never hurt anybody right?? :p

Tell, tell!

oh, you did.

LOL

Actually look a little more for Muryavets reasons. Thy're better than mine. And I don't even think he/she??? is an employee.


Btw, flavored coffee at starbucks is made by putting naturally flavored syrup sugar mixes(thus the calories) into the coffee and milk. It's really not gross. I don't know what the hell people are talking about.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/entertainment/street/2008/04/starbucks_retro_colors_and_a_s_1.html

Here's my question, Starbucks fans: Does the logo, be it be green, white and conservative, or brown, white and slightly pornographic, have anything to do with why you line up around the block for the Seattle company's coffee -- new blend or old?

Slightly pornographic??? This???
When does this guy come from Victorian England?

I don't know what kind of children they have, but all the kids I know actually have their own nipples and probably wouldn't care. In fact one of my daughters was pretty freaked out that Barbie doesn't have nipples.
**CHRISTIAN ACTION ITEM**

Did you know that YOUR CHILDREN have NIPPLES?

YOUR CHILDREN walk around every day with NIPPLES just under their clothing! NIPPLES which might, at a moment's notice, be exposed and visible if your child's shirt were to be lifted up! If your child were to hang upside-down on the monkey bars, their shirt might fall and expose these NIPPLES to the innocent eyes of CHILDREN!!

EVERY DAY, innocent CHILDREN are exposed to the sight of UNCOVERED NIPPLES when they get dressed at the start of the day!

Innocent CHILDREN see NIPPLES while taking their Saturday night bath!

Don't let your CHILDREN be exposed to NIPPLES! Bandage tape can be purchased at most drug stores or supermarkets, allowing a parent to discretely cover their child's NIPPLES with small crosses of tape. PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

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EVERY DAY, innocent CHILDREN are exposed to the sight of UNCOVERED NIPPLES when they get dressed at the start of the day!

Innocent CHILDREN see NIPPLES while taking their Saturday night bath!

Don't let your CHILDREN be exposed to NIPPLES! Bandage tape can be purchased at most drug stores or supermarkets, allowing a parent to discretely cover their child's NIPPLES with small crosses of tape. PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

This is why mirrors and other shiny objects should be removed from the home until the child reaches thirty five.

I know you are European Nanatsu and nudity is an everyday part of life, which IMO I don't really see as a problem either, but it is different to Americans, British and Australians amongst others where nudity is a bit more taboo where as violence is sort of the opposite amongst Europeans. At least that's what I think the French and Spanish exchange students where saying, fell free to correct it. I know that some European newspapers would have a centrefold I know were this to happen in Australia people would go nuts (and not the religious ones)

Oh, I understand that culturaly, nudity is seen differently in other countries, BE. I'm just stating that nudity is a natural thing and that, as long as it doesn't offend anyone, it shouldn't be considered obscene.

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YOUR CHILDREN walk around every day with NIPPLES just under their clothing! NIPPLES which might, at a moment's notice, be exposed and visible if your child's shirt were to be lifted up! If your child were to hang upside-down on the monkey bars, their shirt might fall and expose these NIPPLES to the innocent eyes of CHILDREN!!

EVERY DAY, innocent CHILDREN are exposed to the sight of UNCOVERED NIPPLES when they get dressed at the start of the day!

Innocent CHILDREN see NIPPLES while taking their Saturday night bath!

Don't let your CHILDREN be exposed to NIPPLES! Bandage tape can be purchased at most drug stores or supermarkets, allowing a parent to discretely cover their child's NIPPLES with small crosses of tape. PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

ROFLMAO :D

"And I detest ALL flavored coffees for two reasons: (1) I know how they're made;"

How?? :eek:

*sorry about the improper quoting; I'm not really sure how that got screwed up.
I got this from an employee of Green Mountain Coffee Roasters: The beans are soaked for long periods in flavored oils until the flavor is infused into the bean. However, all the flavors are artificial, because natural flavors are too expensive.*

You can tell they are artificial oils by the particular smell of the beans -- it's exactly the same as the smell of scented candles (same oils). Consider the intense flavor and smell of flavored coffees, and then consider how much of those oils, and the chemical additives they carried, are in that cup you're sipping.

* As for the flavorings themselves, both artificial and natural, that's a whole 'nother arcane sub-rosa world of international trade and commerce involving additives for everything from food to household products to perfume -- a business bracket that has existed since the Renaissance. My mom worked in that world briefly. It's a whole new vista on reality, let me tell you. Familiarity with it will definitely alter a person's shopping habits.

<snip>

Actually look a little more for Muryavets reasons. Thy're better than mine. And I don't even think he/she??? is an employee.
Glad to help.

She.

Employee, no. History nerd, yes.

Btw, flavored coffee at starbucks is made by putting naturally flavored syrup sugar mixes(thus the calories) into the coffee and milk. It's really not gross. I don't know what the hell people are talking about.
I was referring to flavored beans, not brewed coffee with shots of syrup added to the cup -- which is gross all by itself, but in a different way.

I have decided to boycott...at least until better coffee is a acquired. If Starbucks begins stocking a beverage that does not taste like a dressing made from vinegar and flaxseed oil, then they can show a "full-frontal" for all I care.

*rolls around the floor laughing*

The only nipples should be in your (my) mouth (double entendre)

Huh?

Now wait just a doggone minute here.

This "thing" on the Starbucks logo isn't even human. It's some sort of piscine-mammalian hybrid, not our species at all!

It may have parts that appear Human-ish, but one look at the scales from waist on down and it's pretty clear that it's reproductive behavior isn't at all compatible with ours.

Naked breasts on this creature are no more exciting than they are on a gorilla.

The very idea that some may find this creature arousing is sick.

Those who view this as titillating are deeply disturbed people who should not be allowed in zoos.

**CHRISTIAN ACTION ITEM**

Did you know that YOUR CHILDREN have NIPPLES?

It's worse than you think, Bottle.

The astronauts who landed on the moon ate and drank from...

yup.


And if you connect up appliances that use natural gas, LPG, or other industrial gasses for heating, cooking, welding, whatever...

Then you have no choice but to handle nipples.

That's right, in vocational tech schools around the country, hormone-laden boys and young men are being taught how to manipulate nipples.

Is there no hope?

I was referring to flavored beans, not brewed coffee with shots of syrup added to the cup -- which is gross all by itself, but in a different way.



My apologies. I just don't really think my version is gross, but the beans, yeah. That's prolly why my company doesn't sell flavored coffee seeing as we like to try to keep things close to natural.

Well, be back, off to work. :p

The only nipples should be in your (my) mouth (double entendre)

:p

:p

If for no one else I knew that you would enjoy that.

If for no one else I knew that you would enjoy that.

And I did. You were right.;)

They could create a petition against this. And anyone who comes to sign up gets exiled to Antarctica.

hilarious : D ... man people always got to bitch about something :/

This is why mirrors and other shiny objects should be removed from the home until the child reaches thirty five.

and you need those neck cones to keep them from looking down. :p

If only every Starbucks was like that........

Don't let your CHILDREN be exposed to NIPPLES! Bandage tape can be purchased at most drug stores or supermarkets, allowing a parent to discretely cover their child's NIPPLES with small crosses of tape. PROTECT THE CHILDREN!
Thanks Bottle, I got the image of children wearing pasties running around my brain.

MAKE IT STOP!!! :headbang:

**CHRISTIAN ACTION ITEM**

Did you know that YOUR CHILDREN have NIPPLES?

YOUR CHILDREN walk around every day with NIPPLES just under their clothing! NIPPLES which might, at a moment's notice, be exposed and visible if your child's shirt were to be lifted up! If your child were to hang upside-down on the monkey bars, their shirt might fall and expose these NIPPLES to the innocent eyes of CHILDREN!!

EVERY DAY, innocent CHILDREN are exposed to the sight of UNCOVERED NIPPLES when they get dressed at the start of the day!

Innocent CHILDREN see NIPPLES while taking their Saturday night bath!

Don't let your CHILDREN be exposed to NIPPLES! Bandage tape can be purchased at most drug stores or supermarkets, allowing a parent to discretely cover their child's NIPPLES with small crosses of tape. PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

Don't you know that children can remove tape?! The only real solution is a careful application of 1 part Hydrogen chloride, 3 parts water.

Thanks Bottle, I got the image of children wearing pasties running around my brain.

MAKE IT STOP!!! :headbang:

Pasties? (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Cornish_pasty.jpeg/800px-Cornish_pasty.jpeg)

I find that a lot of times when I go to a coffee shop they usually don't know how to make an americano

thats because americano is one of many made-up starbucks cult words. it is like going to a good, real burger joint and asking for a big mac.

Pasties? (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Cornish_pasty.jpeg/800px-Cornish_pasty.jpeg)

no, Pasties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasties).

Now, the image is totallly weirding me out... :headbang:

Oh, I understand that culturaly, nudity is seen differently in other countries, BE. I'm just stating that nudity is a natural thing and that, as long as it doesn't offend anyone, it shouldn't be considered obscene.

i totally agree. american society shuns the natural human body, demonizes everything that gives us pleasure, and celebrates violence destruction and stupidity. respect your self, respect your body, respect others, and celebrate your humanity by being as nude as you want and doing whatever gives you pleasure.

i totally agree. american society shuns the natural human body, demonizes everything that gives us pleasure, and celebrates violence destruction and stupidity. respect your self, respect your body, respect others, and celebrate your humanity by being as nude as you want and doing whatever gives you pleasure.

Testify, brotha/sistah!!

Churches are boycotting!

I've generally tried to avoid Starbucks. The coffee isn't really that impressive, the company is known for its labor practices (http://www.latimes.com/business/careers/work/la-fi-starbucks21mar21,1,7264466.story), and better selections of the fair trade products I prefer are available elsewhere.

But I suddenly feel a new moral duty to buy Starbucks whenever I can, if it'll spite the churches.

I've generally tried to avoid Starbucks. The coffee isn't really that impressive, the company is known for its labor practices (http://www.latimes.com/business/careers/work/la-fi-starbucks21mar21,1,7264466.story), and better selections of the fair trade products I prefer are available elsewhere.


Uh, that article shows that Starbucks labor practices are what?

We get health, dental, stock, and other benefits while being part-time.

This came about because some Barista got all pissed cause he got fired and sued for back tips cause it's illegal in certain states only that managers cannot share in tips because they are salaried. However, it's kinda dumb seeing that managers are required to schedule themselves time on the floor and therefore are a part of earning the tips they aren't allowed to keep. I wouldn't call losing a couple bucks a week a bad labor practice because somebody else helped earn them.

Also, for some one else, I don't really want to look back through right now, an Americano was a word we use to describe a european version of american drip coffee. Since drip coffee was invented in the states, some body across the pond somewhere prolly went hmm, this is good, I wonder if we could do it with our espresso. BAM shots and water were born.

Starbucks did not invent the Americano.


I also think this church protest is good, as long as it causes more atheist and moderate church-goers to buy coffee from us. :D

I also think this church protest is good, as long as it causes more atheist and moderate church-goers to buy coffee from us. :D
for all we know, the person who started the cry of outrage probably has stocks in Starbucks. :p

This came about because some Barista got all pissed cause he got fired and sued for back tips cause it's illegal in certain states only that managers cannot share in tips because they are salaried.


California would apparently be one of these states. And California isn't just a "certain state." It's Starbucks' biggest market.

At any rate, I would prefer to do business with those who take the law seriously. Especially where not doing so comes at the expense of those least paid. After all, who does or doesn't work on the floor isn't really the point; the purpose of tipping is to supplement the income of those who are least paid. Those who are better paid have no business touching the tip jar.

That said, if managers are required to carry out extra duties, including working on the floor, then they should certainly be paid extra for it. I would personally prefer that companies step up and pay their employees (hourly, salaried, barrista, manager, or whatever else) better all-around. Tipping becomes unnecessary (the employer's responsibility having become the employer's responsibility, rather than the customer's) and thus disputes between employees need not occur, disgruntled former employees lose a means of making trouble, and certain state governments can take their noses out of areas they don't otherwise belong. I think this would be a good thing.


Since drip coffee was invented in the states, some body across the pond somewhere prolly went hmm, this is good, I wonder if we could do it with our espresso.


It's probably much more likely that if the "Americano" concept was invented in Europe, it was done so with pejorative intentions.


I also think this church protest is good, as long as it causes more atheist and moderate church-goers to buy coffee from us. :D


I'm basically converted.

for all we know, the person who started the cry of outrage probably has stocks in Starbucks. :p

I have been thinking on similar lines. I wouldn't put it past some one in the Marketing division at Starbucks to have contacted these reverends and pointed it out to them.