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http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/425648

SUDBURY–A 76-year-old man has agreed to give up his cache of weapons and pay a $1,000 fine on three firearms-related charges.

When police entered Georgio Bassetti's apartment on Feb. 29, they found rooms filled with hundreds of weapons, ammunition and bullet holes in the ceiling. It took police days to remove the weapons.

Assistant Crown attorney Karen Lische told court yesterday that police got a call that someone in the apartment had fired a weapon.

Tactical squad officers entered Bassetti's apartment and found him in an intoxicated state and noted six gunshot holes in the ceiling.

A female tenant in the apartment one floor up said it sounded like a gunshot had struck "right under" where she sat at her computer.

As they explored the apartment, police found "boxes and boxes" of items, including weapons and ammunition, Lische said.

"In one room there was nothing but rifles."

Bassetti had built a room with a metal door and metal bars on the window that was full of weapons.

"He said he did not lock it, even when he went out," said Lische.

In all, police found 500 guns.

There were also "hundreds of live rounds" of ammunition ``strewn about the apartment," said Lische.

lolz. That guy was packing a lot a heat. What does someone do with 500 guns anyway?

Arm a battalion?

I wonder if he has 499 invisible friends......

That is alot of guns...

Maybe he's paranoid, lol...

Whats wrong with him keeping and bearing arms? Oh, yeah it wasn't in America. Did they consider that some may have had a collector's vaule, or some symbolic value, like being all the arms his company used in WW2, or something along those lines.

Hunt with Harry Whittington?

Whats wrong with him keeping and bearing arms?

The fact that he got drunk and fired them at the person living above him.


That and it's a bit silly to think that one person would ever have use for 500 guns and ammo for them.

Whats wrong with him keeping and bearing arms? Oh, yeah it wasn't in America.

Dont worry, we're working on that, lol...A combination of lack of defense force, since we keep them overseas, with the encroachment on the Second Amendment is going to leave us very vulnerable one day...

Well it looks like he shot at least one every now and then, but has anyone thought that it might be because he is a collector of guns. My fathers friends collects guns and has about 100 of them some were ones used in the Boer War while others are newer

The fact that he got drunk and fired them at the person living above him.


That and it's a bit silly to think that one person would ever have use for 500 guns and ammo for them.

Whats the point of having 500 bottles of wine, and glass to drink out of, or 500 cars and keys to all of them? Its no different. Just because its guns.

This sounds like a scene from Hot Fuzz...


Any mention of a mine?

but has anyone thought that it might be because he is a collector of guns.

I said that...

Whats the point of having 500 bottles of wine, and glass to drink out of, or 500 cars and keys to all of them? Its no different. Just because its guns.

And he fired live rounds into the ceiling while drunk. That part's important, you know.

Whats the point of having 500 bottles of wine, and glass to drink out of, or 500 cars and keys to all of them? Its no different. Just because its guns.

I'm still wondering how a 76 year old man who lives in an apartment can afford all that stuff. I'm not exactly well versed on how much guns cost in Canada, but I'd say 500 of them would be pretty expensive.

And he fired live rounds into the ceiling while drunk. That part's important, you know.

If he had been drunk and driving, would they take every legally purchased vehicle he owned?

This is a great argument for the USA's to ask for LESS gun control.
Even peolpe in other countries are as stupid as them or as they would say- 'paitriotic'.

Seriously this is what happens if you allow peolpe to have guns, even if they pass all your tests- one day thier get old, seneirl,crazy and start shooting up into the room above, maby even killing some one.

But OF CORSE, its his right to endanger other peolpes LIFES as everyone deserves the right to bear arms, get drunk and kill some one.

'IT'S THE AMERICAN DREAM'

If he had been drunk and driving, would they take every legally purchased vehicle he owned?

There's a good possibility, if he had done enough damage while drunk driving. Of course, 500 cars is a lot to impound so maybe they'd just take his license for starters and impound the one he was driving at the time.

Of course, this all leaves aside the consideration of whether all of these confiscated firearms were legal or registered. I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed a single person with over a hundred registered firearms, much less five hundred. They sure as hell weren't safely stored.

This is a great argument for the USA's to ask for LESS gun control.
Even peolpe in other countries are as stupid as them or as they would say- 'paitriotic'.

Seriously this is what happens if you allow peolpe to have guns, even if they pass all your tests- one day thier get old, seneirl,crazy and start shooting up into the room above, maby even killing some one.

But OF CORSE, its his right to endanger other peolpes LIFES as everyone deserves the right to bear arms, get drunk and kill some one.

'IT'S THE AMERICAN DREAM'

Yep, so, like the other guy said, i suppose youd like people to Stop Driving Too?

I think one of my favorite lines is, If you ban Guns, only Criminals have them...

If you start banning weapons, then ONLY crazy fucks will get them..

Now, that being said, you dont need an arsenal like this guy had, if you rival the Military, there's something wrong...but, blanket banning weapons is NOT the answer...

There's a good possibility, if he had done enough damage while drunk driving. Of course, 500 cars is a lot to impound so maybe they'd just take his license for starters and impound the one he was driving at the time.

Of course, this all leaves aside the consideration of whether all of these confiscated firearms were legal or registered. I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed a single person with over a hundred registered firearms, much less five hundred. They sure as hell weren't safely stored.

Its the concept of taking everything he owns becuase he made one drunk mistake. If you get a DWI, you pay a fine. If this was the only time that happened, he should have to pay a fine.

If he had been drunk and driving, would they take every legally purchased vehicle he owned?

They'd take his license. And if he needed that license to own a car then they'd take his cars too. I don't know if one requires a license to own a gun in that part of Canada, but I'm pretty confident that if one does this man no longer has such a license.

Its the concept of taking everything he owns becuase he made one drunk mistake. If you get a DWI, you pay a fine. If this was the only time that happened, he should have to pay a fine.

He did have to pay a fine, of $1000.

He did have to pay a fine, of $1000.

But they wouldn't take his car for a signle offence.

Its the concept of taking everything he owns becuase he made one drunk mistake. If you get a DWI, you pay a fine. If this was the only time that happened, he should have to pay a fine.

Assuming he still has a license to own guns, firing live rounds into the underside of an occupied apartment is more than enough to get that license removed and all guns he owns confiscated until the license is returned.

Like I said before, this all leaves aside the question of whether he legally owned or registered all of those firearms. Seeing as he hadn't taken any precautions against securing both weapons and ammunition, the chances he also went through legal procedures of obtaining them seems slim.

If he had been drunk and driving, would they take every legally purchased vehicle he owned?

That's not a bad idea...

Well, if zombies attack I know whose house I'd be raiding... assuming they had let him keep the guns. My dad's collection wasn't quite so expansive, but when we thought he was going to kill my mom's boyfriend and decided to clear out his arsenal, I felt like a guerilla walking down to the car with all of his weapons. Some people are, shall we say, rather enthusiastic.

But they wouldn't take his car for a signle offence.

Cars != guns

This is a great argument for the USA's to ask for LESS gun control.
Even peolpe in other countries are as stupid as them or as they would say- 'paitriotic'.

Seriously this is what happens if you allow peolpe to have guns, even if they pass all your tests- one day thier get old, seneirl,crazy and start shooting up into the room above, maby even killing some one.

But OF CORSE, its his right to endanger other peolpes LIFES as everyone deserves the right to bear arms, get drunk and kill some one.

'IT'S THE AMERICAN DREAM'

Haha how funny... Are you scared of guns?? Do you spend all day every day being "safe"? Safety is an illusion sir, it is time to come back to reality. If someone wants to kill you, they will find a way to do it. You don't need guns for that. And for the record, accidents are a part of life, you are more likely to die in a plane crash than get hit by a stray bullet fired by a drunk... Guns are just a tool and a deterrent against crime. If guns are banned, then how much easier is it to break into a house with the knowledge that there is definately not a gun in the house... And if you are a criminal with ties to the black market, the odds are that you yourself have a gun, and those houses are ripe for pickin.

If he had been drunk and driving, would they take every legally purchased vehicle he owned?

I don't think those compare. Driving may have a useful purpose. I don't see what shooting the ceiling can accomplish.

Cars != guns

Really could have fooled me.[/sarcasm]

Cars kill more people every year than guns do. You are more liekly to be hit by a car, than by a gun.

Vladimir, maybe he had a bat or big spider on the celIing?

What the blue fuck is the point of having a metal room with metal bars to store them in if you never lock the damn thing?!?

It's like building a pigeon coop with no top. :p

Vladimir, maybe he had a bat or big spider on the celIing?

Well, if that's why he shot the ceiling then he shouldn't own guns.

Well, if that's why he shot the ceiling then he shouldn't own guns.

I was joking dude.

I have various Knives, Swords, etc..I even have a Glaive, lol...

I could easily get drunk hurt someone with those, yet, no one tries to take them away, or even asked me for an ID when i bought them...

Is there really that much difference?

I was joking dude.

You were excusing him for shooting the ceiling so vehemently that I thought you were serious.

Off to bed then.

I'm still wondering how a 76 year old man who lives in an apartment can afford all that stuff. I'm not exactly well versed on how much guns cost in Canada, but I'd say 500 of them would be pretty expensive.

I can get you 500 Chinese SKS (a knockoff of the AK 47) for about 100k USD.

You were excusing him for shooting the ceiling so vehemently that I thought you were serious.

Off to bed then.

I am not defending his right to shoot the ceiling, I am defending his right to self defense and to keep and bear arms.

I can get you 500 Chinese SKS (a knockoff of the AK 47) for about 10k USD.

Man..Id kill for 10k USD...but, thatd entail buying weapons to kill efficiently with, lol...

Man..Id kill for 10k USD...but, thatd entail buying weapons to kill efficiently with, lol...

Wait. 20 bucks for an SKS?

Wait. 20 bucks for an SKS?

lol, i didnt think about it that way...

Still more than i could afford at the moment...I havent been paid yet, lol...

Wait. 20 bucks for an SKS?

$200 x 500 = $100,000. My bad I screwed up... :P

Really could have fooled me.[/sarcasm]

Ah, so then why do you keep comparing what happens when you break the law with your car with what happens when you break the law(presumably a different law) with your gun?

Is there really that much difference?

Speed, distance and damage potential.

I can get you 500 Chinese SKS (a knockoff of the AK 47) for about 10k USD.

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yeah, yeah I fixed it. :p

Speed, distance and damage potential.

Idk...Speed and distance yeah....But, with plenty of time, no opposition and no consequences...I could potentially cause more damage than a gun with my swords and whatnot...

But, i just meant whats the difference between one killing instrument and another? they both are potentially deadly, especially with the addition of alcohol...Besides those three obvious things of course...

I am not defending his right to shoot the ceiling, I am defending his right to ... keep and bear arms.

Is there such a right to defend in Canada?

If so, is that right not forfeited through his gross negligence?

Idk...Speed and distance yeah....But, with plenty of time, no opposition and no consequences...I could potentially cause more damage than a gun with my swords and whatnot...
It's a lot easier to oppose someone trying to kill you with a sword than someone trying to kill you with a gun. A sword, someone with pretty good reflexes and in decent shape could dodge, at most other people could just run away from. Dodging or outrunning bullets? Yeah, only in movies.

But, i just meant whats the difference between one killing instrument and another? they both are potentially deadly, especially with the addition of alcohol...Besides those three obvious things of course...
How easy it is to kill with it.
Is there such a right to defend in Canada?

If so, is that right not forfeited through his gross negligence?

Maybe I'm crazy but don't rights usually come with responsibilities?

Idk...Speed and distance yeah....But, with plenty of time, no opposition and no consequences...I could potentially cause more damage than a gun with my swords and whatnot...
Which is why I stated is as a whole, and not alternatives. You could not potentially cause more damage as fast and over as long a distance with your pointy things as with a gun. In general.

There are exceptions depending on the gun, of course.


But, i just meant whats the difference between one killing instrument and another? they both are potentially deadly, especially with the addition of alcohol...Besides those three obvious things of course...
Those three obvious things make up a critical difference.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/425648



lolz. That guy was packing a lot a heat. What does someone do with 500 guns anyway?

Sounds like a collector to me.

I can get you 500 Chinese SKS (a knockoff of the AK 47) for about 100k USD.

The SKS is NOT a knockoff of the AK47. Read here for more information: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sks/1520-sks-vs-ak-47-a.html

The SKS is NOT a knockoff of the AK47. Read here for more information: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sks/1520-sks-vs-ak-47-a.html

Yeah you are right. I also know the this obvious difference. However in layman's terms and to many people the SKS is a knockoff of the AK 47. Sometimes easier to keep with the misconception rather than explaining in detail the difference that people probably don't care about anyway.

However the response on the board you linked to is correct in how they are different.

If he had been drunk and driving, would they take every legally purchased vehicle he owned?

If he was found to have endangered people while driving on the road? They would have barred him from driving, impounded the car, then threw him into jail.

I have various Knives, Swords, etc..I even have a Glaive, lol...

I could easily get drunk hurt someone with those, yet, no one tries to take them away, or even asked me for an ID when i bought them...

Is there really that much difference?

You can't throw them very far for starters.

You can't throw them very far for starters.

Idk, I think i could throw A gun just as far as i could Throw a Sword...

Although, in that sense, the sword is definitely more deadly...Who throws their gun anyway? lol...

Badass.

Freakin' badass!

Is there such a right to defend in Canada?

If so, is that right not forfeited through his gross negligence?

Just as important as the right to freedom of speech and religion.

I get exploited every day, I barely have enough money to pay the bills, but at least I HAVE GUNS AND MY BIBLE!

Here's me thinking Obama has a good point.

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lolz. That guy was packing a lot a heat. What does someone do with 500 guns anyway?
I don't know. I approve of his having 500 guns.

However, I don't approve of him being an asshat. He could have killed somebody firing through walls and stuff. What a fucktard! :mad:

I get exploited every day, I barely have enough money to pay the bills, but at least I HAVE GUNS AND MY BIBLE!

Here's me thinking Obama has a good point.

Read the OP, not the just the tittle. Its in Canada, not America.

lolz. That guy was packing a lot a heat. What does someone do with 500 guns anyway?

Form a militia ;) ?

Seriously - the guy seems to be a collector. Which would be fine if he:
- would store his weapons properly and securely
- would not fire them for fun in the direction of his neighbours

Whats the point of having 500 bottles of wine, and glass to drink out of, or 500 cars and keys to all of them? Its no different. Just because its guns.

I agree, right up to the point where the guy's got ammo everywhere and the guns aren't secured...at all. Him shooting at imaginary terrorists on the ceiling (or whatever he saw up there when drunk) doesn't help, either.

Maybe he was preparing for World War Z?

Maybe he was preparing for World War Z?
lol, good book

Just as important as the right to freedom of speech and religion.

I disagree. But regardless, since you chose to not answer my questions, I'll try this instead: You can find the right to freedom of speech and religion in the Charter of Rights and Freedom section 2. So where do you find the right to keep and bear arms?

Whats the point of having 500 bottles of wine, and glass to drink out of, or 500 cars and keys to all of them? Its no different. Just because its guns.

Ohhh and you almost got that right as well. It is differant because it's guns.

holy shit, maybe he killed JFK?
Then he hides the gun in the midst of all of them and bingo, you have one good hiding place for the murder weapon.
strange, why didn't he sell them off?
i'm glad i'm not the only crazy guy here, and as Gravlen said it does remind me of a scene off Hot Fuzz, i thought it was pretty good. the random killing folks in a small town really cracked me up. (as in i laughed, i wasn't actually high or anything. honest)
:)

Originally Posted by 1010102
If he had been drunk and driving, would they take every legally purchased vehicle he owned?

well here in Victoria (Australia) they have something they call AntiHoon Laws...
As i understand them, if you are caught doing something that is considered hoonish behaviour - including street racing, exessive speeding (more than 30km (20?miles) over the limit) you get a warning and quite a large fine, the second time (within 3 years) you get the vehicle you are driving, regardless of who the owner is, impounded for 3? days, the third offense the car is impounded and sold/crushed by the police, again regardless of who the owner is - limited exceptions can be made in the case of a stolen car, by the rightful owner - then the police press charges of theft against the driver... - this is all on top of any other charges/fines made.

Now i recognise that this is not quite the same as first offense -however it seems fairly similar to me.

I have various Knives, Swords, etc..I even have a Glaive, lol...

I could easily get drunk hurt someone with those, yet, no one tries to take them away, or even asked me for an ID when i bought them...

Is there really that much difference?


Here? No - you would now need a weapons license for them too - also need to be kept secure in a similar manner to guns i beleive. - you are allowed to carry knives in public - if you are travelling to or from a specific point where you have used them - even then they are restricted to professional needs, or you have to be a member of a registered club or organisation - SCA, other re-enactment groups or likewise...

Assuming he still has a license to own guns, firing live rounds into the underside of an occupied apartment is more than enough to get that license removed and all guns he owns confiscated until the license is returned.

Like I said before, this all leaves aside the question of whether he legally owned or registered all of those firearms. Seeing as he hadn't taken any precautions against securing both weapons and ammunition, the chances he also went through legal procedures of obtaining them seems slim.
I think Sane Outcasts has made the best point so far.

Who's to say that all of the guns were legal?

The chap also didn't lock up his guns when he went out, although that in itself probably wouldn't mean that they'd have been confiscated.

If a man had 500 unregistered vehicles and was driving them into buildings whilst drunk, yes, they'd take them away (in Australia- that is). If a man had 500 bottles of wine which he was using to throw at pedestrians on the street below his apartment, yes they'd probably take them, or him, away.

the article said he "agreed" to give up the 500 guns.

so my guess is he gave up the weapons to get a smaller fine or avoid jail time.
The article does suggest they were taken by the police but who knows he might have been allowed to sell them with the police acting as agents(so he didn't get his crazy drunk ass around those guns again).

but since he agreed to get rid of them there is really no issue of gun rights being infringed.


But there is nothing wrong with having 500 guns either.
You can never have enough guns.

This thread is useless without pics.

This is also clearly not enough guns.