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Ok, I have two questions for the resident Brits here.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?

2. What is a "chav"?

Thanks.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?
:D

You say it after explaining how to do something, but generally before the effects thereof are given :

"So just drill the new spice rack into the wall and Bob's yer uncle, no more faffing about with cupboards!"
2. What is a "chav"?
http://mudislandvibe.co.uk/images/chav1.jpg

The underclasses. Some people hate them for it, I have no problem with them unless they start anything up. Which they usually don't if you're not a prick.
Thanks.
You're welcome.

What Yootopia said.

Some Chavs are alright people, even some of the nicest jolly people, others are complete pricks. Unfortunately the complete prick variety are more common than the nice variety.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?
It means something along the lines of 'there you go', or, funnily enough, 'Q.E.D.'. I've no idea of the etymology of the phrase, but it's usually said at the end of an explanation:

"How do I get to the station?"

"Well, you walk 100 yards down the road, take the first left and Bob's your Uncle."

It's more an English phrase than a Welsh, Scottish or Irish one, mind.

2. What is a "chav"?
A pejorative term for a (usually) working class (usually) white youth, particularly one who indulges in drinking, fighting and other mischief. Again, it's more of an English term, but there's regional variants; 'ned' being the Scottish equivalent. 'Yob' is an older term which means the same.

'Chavs' or 'neds' have been in the public eye for quite some time now, ever since Blair started a whole campaign against what he called "anti-social behaviour". The lines between being called a chav for being a delinquent youth and being called a chav for being poor/working class are extremely blurred in my opinion, and certainly in recent years the term has been used all over the place; to the point where anyone wearing certain kinds of clothes, or speaking in a certain accent gets called 'chav', no matter their behaviour.

Nasty business, social labelling.

Odd, i cant really think of an American pejorative for Chav....

We have all our slurs towards Racial and Geographical concerns, lol...

"Bob's your uncle" is used in Australia also.

2. What is a "chav"?

Thanks.

http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/00/02/55/27/p1.jpg

Odd, i cant really think of an American pejorative for Chav....

We have all our slurs towards Racial and Geographical concerns, lol...
Just goes to show the difference in culture(s). You guys are more divided over ethnicity and geography, for obvious reasons, while we're arguing about class.

I think it'd be fair to say that in the UK, as long as you have the £s, your ethnicity doesn't matter too much.

Ooh, ooh, I have a question.
Whenever I watch Yes, Minister, no one ever, ever says "min-i-ster." They all say "min-ster." I have noticed a similar pattern with other words, such as mirror. My question is: is this a regional thing, and if not, why is the middle syllable so often left unsaid?

Ok, I have two questions for the resident Brits here.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?

2. What is a "chav"?

Thanks.



1. What Yootopia said.

2. Not what Yootopia said. A Chav is a young trouble maker, one who has a herdlike menatlity in that he or she will dress in the 'fashionable' way to show how rich they are. The strange thing about that of course is your typical working class chav(as opposed to your richer chav) will gladly wear fake labels, and be proud to tell everybody how much this fake cost.

It is really the latest buzz word for those youths that are not part of any subculture, and instead are concerend with fitting in.

In my youth they where called trendies, or townies, in my dad's youth they where called mods, and I dare say in 10 years time they will be called something else.

Traditionaly the word Chav is an abrivation of a gypsy word meaning a small child. It's modern day usage can be put down to the media.

Ahhh, yes...Mods, Rockers, Punks, Goths....Whereas now its just an amorphous tracksuited mass of shite......

Ahhh, yes...Mods, Rockers, Punks, Goths....Whereas now its just an amorphous tracksuited mass of shite......

Bwahahah indeed the very deffiniton of Chav.

Ooh, ooh, I have a question.
Whenever I watch Yes, Minister, no one ever, ever says "min-i-ster." They all say "min-ster." I have noticed a similar pattern with other words, such as mirror. My question is: is this a regional thing, and if not, why is the middle syllable so often left unsaid?

You know Received Pronounciation? That's not the British Upper Class accent. That's more the most average pronounciation, so that the BBC can be understood across the whole of Britain, and also, in the past, so that the Upper-middle classes that went to the ancient universities (particularly Oxbrige) would not have a sense of geographical segregation.

The Upper Classes on the other hand, speak something that is much more abrupt, with clear short vowels, which sometimes they get completely elidated.

To answer you question, it's the Upper-class accent version of "minister".

Well, I think this is it, anyway.:p

Just goes to show the difference in culture(s). You guys are more divided over ethnicity and geography, for obvious reasons, while we're arguing about class.
Is it really class though? I used to live in south Essex, and there are still areas of wealth and poverty in quite close proximity to each other. I can't remember 'chavery' being limited to kids from poorer working class backgrounds in any shape or form. On the other hand, there were always plenty of chavs from affluent, middle class Billericay.

Of course, that doesn't prevent a lot of class snobbery from the Home Counties.

I think it'd be fair to say that in the UK, as long as you have the £s, your ethnicity doesn't matter too much.
Harsh, but often true.

Here in Scotland they're called neds... it's supposed to stand for non-educated delinquent.

Here in Scotland they're called neds... it's supposed to stand for non-educated delinquent.

In NI they're generally Steeks or Spides

"Bob's your uncle" comes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob's_your_uncle

The chav thing is slightly more complicated to explain. It's not just about being poor and uneducated, its about being proud of being poor and uneducated and anti-social at the same time as they take great pains to wear "labels" (sometimes with the price tag still on - not that chavs would actually purchase said items...) Unfortunately, any poor youngster who wears burberry or a shellsuit is automatically lumped in with the dregs :(

What Yootopia said.

Some Chavs are alright people, even some of the nicest jolly people, others are complete pricks. Unfortunately the complete prick variety are more common than the nice variety.

Precisely the case.

Ooh, ooh, I have a question.
Whenever I watch Yes, Minister, no one ever, ever says "min-i-ster." They all say "min-ster." I have noticed a similar pattern with other words, such as mirror. My question is: is this a regional thing, and if not, why is the middle syllable so often left unsaid?Having just watched a couple of 'Yes, (Prime) Minister' clips on youtube I have to say I hear the 'i'. It's not over emphasised, but it's there. Maybe your more used to strong 'i's. Why not record yourself saying minister or repeating one of the following and let us see how you'd pronounce minister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg5GkJcFglE (more ministers than you can shake a stick at)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZUOkGxGUVs&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxdMFRwztl4 (the minister is right at the end of this one).

Bwahahah indeed the very deffiniton of Chav.

Yep. Skins at least were meant to have some pride in themselves...This lot are just a bland dirty apolitical mob that exhibit the worst excesses of materialism...

In Northampton the police code worded Chav as Council House Associated Vermin. I dunno where they coined the phrase from but it generally refers to yobbish people who wear tracksuit gear and sports labels.

It doesn't really refer to people in council housing these days and chav are now just a common social group in Britain just like Emos and Goths. Chavs just have a bad reputation because a minority of chavs are exceptionally violent and feral.

Yep. Skins at least were meant to have some pride in themselves...This lot are just a bland dirty apolitical mob that exhibit the worst excesses of materialism...

Skins, as in skinheads? Ugggh no no, I got chased too many times by that lot to feel anything but mistrust for most of them.

In NI they're generally Steeks or Spides

Possibly only a belfast-based one, but they are also called mokes. Unfortunately more and more people use the word chav, its a horrible world.

Possibly only a belfast-based one, but they are also called mokes. Unfortunately more and more people use the word chav, its a horrible world.

Yup never heard mokes before

Ok, I have two questions for the resident Brits here.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?

2. What is a "chav"?

Thanks.

1. 'Bob's Your Uncle' refers to a previous Prime Minister called Robert who placed his nephew in power. The phrase is used to show how something is easy. As in: "Just a few tweaks to this mechanism and Bob's Your Uncle! It works as a ... "

2. Chav has several meanings:
Council House Associated Vermin
or
Council Housed And Vicious

It refers to a group of people that share a interest in similar music and dress in similar ways to each other, usually sports tracksuits, trainers and baseball caps. Many around this area are considered violent and dangerous...I'm aware there are people out there called 'Chavs' that are nice, however...not many around here. Around here they are nearly always violent, drunk, dangerous and criminal.

The Council Housing is no longer necessarily true of the group, since I know plenty that own their own homes or come from people that own their own homes... However, it was probably started by those who were Council Housed.

I am Council Housed...however I am not a chav in any other respect since I do not like the music and do not dress nor get drunk or hang out with others that pass the description of 'Chav'

2. Chav has several meanings:
Council House Associated Vermin
or
Council Housed And Vicious


That's the backronym.

In Manchester and Merseyside they are called scallies. Presumably short for "scallywag."

2. Chav has several meanings:
Council House Associated Vermin
or
Council Housed And Vicious


Heheh totaly wrong, but funny never-the-less.

Here they are referred to as "Skangers", eg 'Dirty lookin' skanger bastards'.....

...in their poxy cars, with the poxy accessories and their shite middle of the road music, and their orange coloured slapper wimmin......

Here they are referred to as "Skangers", eg 'Dirty lookin' skanger bastards'.....

...in their poxy cars, with the poxy accessories and their shite middle of the road music, and their orange coloured slapper wimmin......

Heheh and in my neck of the woods we just call em cunts!

Heheh and in my neck of the woods we just call em cunts!

That too, that too....

Is it really class though? I used to live in south Essex, and there are still areas of wealth and poverty in quite close proximity to each other. I can't remember 'chavery' being limited to kids from poorer working class backgrounds in any shape or form. On the other hand, there were always plenty of chavs from affluent, middle class Billericay.
If I was talking to a born-and-bred Glaswegian, 'ned' would refer explicitly to youths who caused trouble, but who were probably from a working class background. If I were talking to someone born outside of Scotland, or perhaps a Scot from an affluent background, the terms 'ned' and 'working class' seem entirely interchangeable.

The press seems to label folk like Wayne Rooney as chavs, and that seems to be little to do with behaviour, and more top do with class/background. The English cricket team, for example, are all over the press behaving like twats - getting into scraps, drunk as hell - yet they would never be labelled as chavs; due to their background/looks/accent.

Here in Scotland they're called neds... it's supposed to stand for non-educated delinquent.
I think that's also a backronym.

Is it really class though? I used to live in south Essex, and there are still areas of wealth and poverty in quite close proximity to each other. I can't remember 'chavery' being limited to kids from poorer working class backgrounds in any shape or form. On the other hand, there were always plenty of chavs from affluent, middle class Billericay.

Of course, that doesn't prevent a lot of class snobbery from the Home Counties.


Harsh, but often true.

North Essex, and same. Up here in Sheff the term I tend to hear's Scals or Charvers.

The press seems to label folk like Wayne Rooney as chavs, and that seems to be little to do with behaviour, and more top do with class/background. The English cricket team, for example, are all over the press behaving like twats - getting into scraps, drunk as hell - yet they would never be labelled as chavs; due to their background/looks/accent.


I think that's also a backronym.

Really? I'd say from his and his wife's patterns of consumption, they're living the chav dream. :p

...they're living the chav dream. :p

Burberry from head to toe, gold taps and all the grannies you can shag?

:D

You say it after explaining how to do something, but generally before the effects thereof are given :

"So just drill the new spice rack into the wall and Bob's yer uncle, no more faffing about with cupboards!"

http://mudislandvibe.co.uk/images/chav1.jpg

The underclasses. Some people hate them for it, I have no problem with them unless they start anything up. Which they usually don't if you're not a prick.

You're welcome.


No no no. Chav's deserve the polemic they attract, even that from the Mail; they tend to be unemployed, politically apathetic, inveterately criminal, and create an undeniable, palpable oppressive atmosphere.

Moreover, I would suggest that chavs, either in isolation or in groups, do tend to instigate the disturbances, whether physical or simply verbal. I daresay you would respond by claiming daring to look different from them can be construed as provocation, however, the simple truth is they do instigate the disturbances thye invariably find themselves in, and are rightly seen as a social cancer.

North Essex, and same. Up here in Sheff the term I tend to hear's Scals or Charvers.
Up hear in Sheff I don't see any chavs all, except hanging outside that school on Glossop road. But then, I do live in Broomhill, which is a bit posh anyway.

If I was talking to a born-and-bred Glaswegian, 'ned' would refer explicitly to youths who caused trouble, but who were probably from a working class background. If I were talking to someone born outside of Scotland, or perhaps a Scot from an affluent background, the terms 'ned' and 'working class' seem entirely interchangeable.
I suppose it depends on outlook and perspective. I will always maintain that there are wealthy, middle class chavs, and lived alongside them before relocating to (relatively) chav-free Sheffield uni. But from an affluent background, it's more easy to generalise, perhaps.

The press seems to label folk like Wayne Rooney as chavs, and that seems to be little to do with behaviour, and more top do with class/background. The English cricket team, for example, are all over the press behaving like twats - getting into scraps, drunk as hell - yet they would never be labelled as chavs; due to their background/looks/accent.
Good point. I'll give you that one.

But then, I do live in Broomhill, which is a bit posh anyway.

And far too difficult to walk up with lungs covered in tar from cheap fags.

(Do they not hang around Meadowhall?*)



*The land of shoppurtunity apparently.

North Essex, and same. Up here in Sheff the term I tend to hear's Scals or Charvers.

Heh, a little bit Manc and a little bit Tyny (sp?)?

And far too difficult to walk up with lungs covered in tar from cheap fags.
Actually, there's a shortcut to get into town from through some of the Endcliffe halls of residence. Which they can't use, not being allowed in. Ha!

(Do they not hang around Meadowhall?*)

*The land of shoppurtunity apparently.
Nah, they've got Valley Centretainment.

The press seems to label folk like Wayne Rooney as chavs, and that seems to be little to do with behaviour, and more top do with class/background.

Yes indeed, I look at Wanye Rooney and sometimes think that if he weren't a top class soccer player he look like he would be one of those more violent lower class people, either that or he looks like he should be working down a coal mine.

As for Australia we call these sort of people bogans but the age group doesnt really matter

Yes indeed, I look at Wanye Rooney and sometimes think that if he weren't a top class soccer player he look like he would be one of those more violent lower class people, either that or he looks like he should be working down a coal mine.
And that's exactly the sort of snobbery I'm talking about.

And that's exactly the sort of snobbery I'm talking about.

I disagree. Just as the despicable social strata Wayne Rooney, his odious fiancee, Jordan and others represent see fit to disparage middle class presuppositions, behaviour and dress, so too the middle classes and upper classes are entitled to respond.

In any case, to mount a defence of the obnoxious nature of the chav by claiming they are desensetised and disaffected by snobbery is to deny any vestige of personal responsibility; they are a criminal, feckless underclass, and should be held to account for their actions, not apologised for.

Traditionaly the word Chav is an abrivation of a gypsy word meaning a small child. It's modern day usage can be put down to the media.

Heh, never knew that. I always thought it stood for 'Council House And Violent/Vermin'.

Heh, never knew that. I always thought it stood for 'Council House And Violent/Vermin'.

ahhh well I guess you learn summit new every day huh.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?


Heh, I always thought that was an American term.

Heh, I always thought that was an American term.

Umm are you geting it mixed up with: 'Do you want fries with that?'

Heheh:D

Up hear in Sheff I don't see any chavs all, except hanging outside that school on Glossop road. But then, I do live in Broomhill, which is a bit posh anyway.

Yeah, it's more town centre. And if you ever get the train/tram to Meadowhall. Or Leeds (not Leeds' fault. Barnsley's on the way). Or Doncaster. :p

Ok, I have two questions for the resident Brits here.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?

2. What is a "chav"?

Thanks.

Wiki it and bobs your uncle ;o)

Here in Scotland they're called neds... it's supposed to stand for non-educated delinquent.
That's like chav is supposed to be from council house and violent, except it's not. Huzzah for backronyms! Also, 150,000 of your Neds came to my fair city* last night and kicked the hell out of it :(

*fair meaning if someone shoots you they usually have a reason, even if that reason is "He was in the way".

That's like chav is supposed to be from council house and violent, except it's not. Huzzah for backronyms! Also, 150,000 of your Neds came to my fair city* last night and kicked the hell out of it :(

*fair meaning if someone shoots you they usually have a reason, even if that reason is "He was in the way".

I was in town yesterday morning. It was absolutely crazy at 9:00. Even moreso by the time I left around 12:00. I saw first hand why scots have such low life expectancy ;)

Did you see what it was like this morning?

Chav: Council Housed And Violent.

I'd heard that chav was just a mispronunciation of chev, which in turn is a mispronunciation of trev which means someone who wears cheap clothes.

how to spot a chav car (http://www.yourcarisshit.com/how-to-spot-a-chav-car.asp) :)

the bobs your uncle thing has been pretty well explained. the chav thing is a bit more subjective. to me, its an aggressive, undereducated youth, usually scrawny and wearing the same shitty, crap looking sports clothes they all wear. its pretty much a lifestyle choice, as one might be a goth or an emo, but for certain areas its the default and if you're not one, you stand out pretty badly.

Ooh, ooh, I have a question.
Whenever I watch Yes, Minister, no one ever, ever says "min-i-ster." They all say "min-ster." I have noticed a similar pattern with other words, such as mirror. My question is: is this a regional thing, and if not, why is the middle syllable so often left unsaid?

hmm, i say the "i" in both those things. perhaps its regional, or as suggested, a more upper class thing. upper class peeps can be very curt with their pronunciation.

That's like chav is supposed to be from council house and violent, except it's not. Huzzah for backronyms! Also, 150,000 of your Neds came to my fair city* last night and kicked the hell out of it :(

*fair meaning if someone shoots you they usually have a reason, even if that reason is "He was in the way".
Scottish football loves you too. :p

There's also www.chavtowns.co.uk, where people can post appraisals of the chavs in their town - usually heavily biased and exaggerative against chavs, but often entertaining.

And taking a step back in the conversation, Chumblywumbly, QED is Latin; it stands for Quod Erat Demonstrandum - literally "that which has to be proved", or otherwise "my point has been proved".

And taking a step back in the conversation, Chumblywumbly, QED is Latin; it stands for Quod Erat Demonstrandum - literally "that which has to be proved", or otherwise "my point has been proved".
I think "Bob's your uncle" fits that quite well.

I was in town yesterday morning. It was absolutely crazy at 9:00. Even moreso by the time I left around 12:00. I saw first hand why scots have such low life expectancy ;)
I work on Minshull Street...we gave up trying to work at 3pm, since nothing could get done with all the horns/shouting/police sirens going off outside. I also work on Oxford Street, and finished at pretty much the same time as the match. Getting home was interesting.

Did you see what it was like this morning?
I was in St Peters Square this morning...looks like someones been up all night cleaning, I was impressed.

As a non-Brit, I'm offended by this thread. It's pretty exclusive.

I think chav's are a pretty British thing. Personally, I dislike them, but then again I might just be stereotyping them based on a few bad experiences.

I think the European equivalent is the skinhead, Neo-Nazi. Having talked to a few Duth and German folk I know, they despise them.

Also, 150,000 of your Neds came to my fair city* last night and kicked the hell out of it :(


I'm Scottish and if 150,000 Rangers fans descended on my town I'd be heading the hell out.

Calling Manchester a "fair city" is kinda pushing credibility though don't you think?

Calling Manchester a "fair city" is kinda pushing credibility though don't you think?
Manchester's a nice city.

At least, it was a nice city before the Rangers fans decided to piss all over it :p

That's the backronym.

In Manchester and Merseyside they are called scallies. Presumably short for "scallywag."

I heard this one in Leeds too.

Odd, i cant really think of an American pejorative for Chav....

We have all our slurs towards Racial and Geographical concerns, lol...

Maybe "Gang Banger"?

As a non-Brit, I'm offended by this thread. It's pretty exclusive.
You're in a commonwealth land. We welcome you.
I think chav's are a pretty British thing. Personally, I dislike them, but then again I might just be stereotyping them based on a few bad experiences.

I think the European equivalent is the skinhead, Neo-Nazi. Having talked to a few Duth and German folk I know, they despise them.
Eh...

Violence by chavs isn't racially motivated, it's just people being drunken idiots.

You're in a commonwealth land. We welcome you.

Eh...

Violence by chavs isn't racially motivated, it's just people being drunken idiots.

And well its alls about the fact they don't have anything better to do and they think they'll get respect form there peers if they do it.

And well its alls about the fact they don't have anything better to do and they think they'll get respect form there peers if they do it.
Err, no.

Skinheads are thugs who go after people because of their racial background. This is politically motivated, and targetted.

Chavs just get drunk and punch you. This is just stupid.

Well, to be fair, York chavs are pretty tame.

Well, to be fair, York chavs are pretty tame.
Very tame indeed. The only time I've been in any problems with chavs was in Manchester.

Try Liverpool <.<

Ok, I have two questions for the resident Brits here.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?

2. What is a "chav"?

Thanks.

1. A phrase used at the end of describing how to go about something, similar to "simple as that!". Less common in modern British English.

2. Uncultured, illiterate, potentially dangerous, rapidly breeding scum, most commonly seen the Stratford Centre shopping mall. Also see: "redneck"

Err, no.

Skinheads are thugs who go after people because of their racial background.
.

Nazi skins. The original skinheads were Jamaican & working class English whites.

Ok, I have two questions for the resident Brits here.

1. What the hell is with the phrase "Bobs your uncle". Granted, it might be a much older phrase, because Ive only seen it used in older movies or movies where the setting was some time ago. But, what the hell is with it?

2. What is a "chav"?

Thanks.

Bobs your uncle means...there you go...sorted (roughly) chavs are the unwashed unemployed down south...up here in the north we call them scallies

I'm Scottish and if 150,000 Rangers fans descended on my town I'd be heading the hell out.

Calling Manchester a "fair city" is kinda pushing credibility though don't you think?


Hail! Hail! The Celts are here!
Oh what the hell do we care?
What the hell do we care?
Hail! Hail! The Celts are here!
Oh what the hell do we care now?

For it's a grand old team to play for,
For it's a grand old team to say.
And if, you know, the history,
It's enough to make your heart go,
FUCK THE RANGERS!

We don't care what the animals say,
What the hell do we care?
For we only know that there's gonna be a show
And the Glasgow Celtic will be there!

Having just watched a couple of 'Yes, (Prime) Minister' clips on youtube I have to say I hear the 'i'. It's not over emphasised, but it's there. Maybe your more used to strong 'i's. Why not record yourself saying minister or repeating one of the following and let us see how you'd pronounce minister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg5GkJcFglE (more ministers than you can shake a stick at)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZUOkGxGUVs&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxdMFRwztl4 (the minister is right at the end of this one).
Nigel Hawthorne pronounces it the way I do. But the undersecretary, whose name I cannot remember, seems to leave the middle sound out.

I work on Minshull Street...we gave up trying to work at 3pm, since nothing could get done with all the horns/shouting/police sirens going off outside. I also work on Oxford Street, and finished at pretty much the same time as the match. Getting home was interesting.

Ha. Lucky you I suppose. :)

I managed to get out at midday. Which was lucky.

Shame I don't work in the centre, so I had to stay in work til 8 :(


I was in St Peters Square this morning...looks like someones been up all night cleaning, I was impressed.

Yeah, I know someone else who was in town yesterday. Apparently the litter had gone but the ground was sticky, like a club floor at the end of the night :-S

But I'm sure we can count on Manchester rain to wash it away ;)



If I was a united fan I'd probably be livid at the council's plans not to show the match on the big screen next week. The decision does seem a little... ill advised.

Try Liverpool <.<

Liverpool is actually quite nice.

Despite the fact it earned the moniker "Orange County" amoungst me and my friends when I was living there.

1. A phrase used at the end of describing how to go about something, similar to "simple as that!". Less common in modern British English.

2. Uncultured, illiterate, potentially dangerous, rapidly breeding scum, most commonly seen the Stratford Centre shopping mall. Also see: "redneck"
Redneck is a bit too cultural to be a good analogue.

Trailer trash might be the closest thing America has.

Chav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat)

Chav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat)

Moron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaras)

Moron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaras)

:D

I work on Minshull Street...we gave up trying to work at 3pm, since nothing could get done with all the horns/shouting/police sirens going off outside. I also work on Oxford Street, and finished at pretty much the same time as the match. Getting home was interesting.


I was in St Peters Square this morning...looks like someones been up all night cleaning, I was impressed.

I work on Oxford Street too...St James Building...had to walk home Weds night as I live right next to Citys ground...Piccadilly was full of drunken huns falling over...horrible sight! ;)

Moron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaras)

Grrr...as one of a small group of people who actually care about the accuracy of wiki, please don't pull this sort of crap. Edits to outlying pages can take weeks to months for an editor to notice, and correct.

Questers - official warning for flaming. You've been about since 2003, you know that it's against the rules and you certainly know when you're doing it.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Tsar the mod??

You're a new one ;)

Questers - official warning for flaming. You've been about since 2003, you know that it's against the rules and you certainly know when you're doing it.

~ Tsar the Mod.

IMHO, callimg someone a moron who quoted a marxist wiki article isn't a flame/troll worthy of a warning but, an accurate description of said person!

Yeah, I know someone else who was in town yesterday. Apparently the litter had gone but the ground was sticky, like a club floor at the end of the night :-S
It still smells pretty bad too :(

If I was a united fan I'd probably be livid at the council's plans not to show the match on the big screen next week. The decision does seem a little... ill advised.
I am a Utd fan, and yes.

I work on Oxford Street too...St James Building...had to walk home Weds night as I live right next to Citys ground...Piccadilly was full of drunken huns falling over...horrible sight! ;)
I work next door to you!

IMHO, callimg someone a moron who quoted a marxist wiki article isn't a flame/troll worthy of a warning but, an accurate description of said person!

So, would the same label accurately apply to someone who dissents from a an official mod warning to another poster, with their own Humble Opinion ?

If you play the fool, expect to be called one.

"Bobs your uncle"

Why, yes, he is. How did you know?

Tsar the mod??

You're a new one ;)


Are you kidding? Tsar's been around for a-a-ages. Quit undermining my lack of status as the Team n00b!

And, Bunnysaurus (what I actually came into this thread to say): Of course people are allowed to dissent from mod rulings, so long as the way they're dissenting doesn't break forum rules. But continuing a discussion of it in this thread would be off-topic.

Redneck is a bit too cultural to be a good analogue.

Trailer trash might be the closest thing America has.

Trailer trash is good but dont you think gang banger fits better. I mean they are both the same(Chav that is) and gang banger can apply to whites, blacks and latino. Could even throw in asians with that. They think they are tough and cool. Trailer trash isn't exactly the same thing as a Chav I believe.

Grrr...as one of a small group of people who actually care about the accuracy of wiki, please don't pull this sort of crap. Edits to outlying pages can take weeks to months for an editor to notice, and correct.

Eh, I didn't actually make a page, I just hyperlinked to it, if you clicked it it should have said the whole "This is not a page etc do you want to create it."

Very tame indeed. The only time I've been in any problems with chavs was in Manchester.

We have a unique vintage in Essex. Come down and see whether you have to act a prick to get beaten up.

Even if the only way to get beaten up is to insult the chavs, that doesn't absolve them from anything. Why should they be able to act massive pricks but those who act like lesser pricks deserve what's coming to them, that's bullshit. Regardless, I haven't seen a chav for a while now.

Even if the only way to get beaten up is to insult the chavs, that doesn't absolve them from anything. Why should they be able to act massive pricks but those who act like lesser pricks deserve what's coming to them, that's bullshit. Regardless, I haven't seen a chav for a while now.

Please don't misconstrue my opinion; I agree with you. Yootopia, however, is of the opinion that chavs only attack you when you deserve it.

Please don't misconstrue my opinion; I agree with you. Yootopia, however, is of the opinion that chavs only attack you when you deserve it.

Yeah I wasn't addressing your post specifically, although it may have seemed that way, I was just addressing that point Yootopia made.

Yeah I wasn't addressing your post specifically, although it may have seemed that way, I was just addressing that point Yootopia made.

Ah, fair enough.